Why this task force may already has failed before even starting UPDATE hope

[Harermuir]

I dont want to kill any hope here. I dont want to say that you should do nothing because anything you will do is already doomed to failure. But still ...

The main issue with the discontinuation of the game of the ip is, from that I know, not the lack of buyer, but the will of NCsoft to not sell anything around one of their butchered MMORPG. Any MMORPG who has been drop recently has found another editor. Trying to find a buyer when their is nothing to sell is a fight that we have already lose. Further, we will be waiting for news about negotiation, which we will neither have but in the very unlikely case that an aggreement is found. And during this time, we will be keeping low.

Well, i just want someone to give me a little more hope and I appreciate all the time and effort put toward the goal of reviving the game.

Edit : http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6753.0.html
Ok, i ve got hope :)

[The Fifth Horseman]

It's not over till we say it's over or we get the City back.

[Victoria Victrix]

I dont want to kill any hope here. I dont want to say that you should do nothing because anything you will do is already doomed to failure. But still ...

The main issue with the discontinuation of the game of the ip is, from that I know, not the lack of buyer, but the will of NCsoft to not sell anything around one of their butchered MMORPG. Any MMORPG who has been drop recently has found another editor. Trying to find a buyer when their is nothing to sell is a fight that we have already lose. Further, we will be waiting for news about negotiation, which we will neither have but in the very unlikely case that an aggreement is found. And during this time, we will be keeping low.

Well, i just want someone to give me a little more hope and I appreciate all the time and effort put toward the goal of reviving the game.

Edit : http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6753.0.html
Ok, i ve got hope :)

And NCSOFT has already changed their position from "we have exhausted all options to find a buyer" to this---

NCsoft's Seoul-based spokesman Kim Yo-han said that terminating the service was a "strategic decision," adding that "nothing had been decided on selling the game or other action afterwards."

I think you need to change your thread title.

[Rae]

Edit : http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,6753.0.html
Ok, i ve got hope :)

;D

[OzonePrime]

It's not over till we say it's over or we get the City back.

My sentiments exactly!

[Quinch]

NCsoft's resistance in selling, well, anything is why we went to Disney first, in fact - the consequences of refusal {and I don't mean in any kind of illegal sense} would be too obviously severe even for NCsoft's execs to ignore, especially PR and investor-wise.

And like it's already been mentioned, it looks like #savecoh managed to erode at least some of the muleheadedness, now that they're backtracking with "nothing's been decided".

[Victoria Victrix]

We are front page on slashdot and MMORPG.com
We are middle page bleedingcool.com

The Korean Times article is literally being linked all over the world.

[Kistulot]

We are front page on slashdot and MMORPG.com
We are middle page bleedingcool.com

The Korean Times article is literally being linked all over the world.

I want to thank you for how much you've done to help with this movement, to get it where it is today.

You've gotten lots of thumbs up, but I havent had the chance yet personally... thank you :)

[Vasarto]

Well yes, Sometimes a news story like this one can tend to fly around a lot.
Depending on the person who tells the story it can either be featured in an isolated article or be spread around. Depending on how relevant the topic is to the readers and how compelling the words are by the one being interviewed. In our case we have an accomplished writer AND something relevant to the interests of 100% of those whom would read it. All web sites being that of Gaming web sites from what I see.

Gaming news is always relevant and a lot of people HATE NCSOFT and the games they make including cox. So even though they do not like cox. They still delight in reading such a thing because than it gives them something else to tweet or say about it to another guy like...that &&$&$ NCshit company is failing lol. That terrible company even pisems off their own customers who play their crappy games lulz!

So as you can see even people who are like that can even have something to talk about. Even Negative talk like that still spreads interest and lets people know what we are doing thus gaining more and more notice.

We are very lucky to have people like that and people like the Super High caffine charged typists who have been tweeting, Emailing, facebook and sending letters to Disney and making posts in other internet forums etc to run amok around the web like some of we have here lol. 

[Taceus Jiwede]

It's not over till we say it's over or we get the City back.

Hoorah!

[Victoria Victrix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F9aJuHJE80

[Rae]

Between this, and the Korean article, I'm happier than I've been in freakin' months.  ;D

[johnrobey]

My feelings are cautiously balanced due to not wanting to suffer from unrealistically high hopes and expectations; nonetheless, I do feel optimistic and even hopeful at this point, even while expecting nothing.  I think we've gotten good and sympathetic coverage from the media.  I don't know the business end, but while our numbers don't rival Blizzard's WoW, it seems like some company would want the subscriptions of an estimated 50,000-150,000.  In responding to Korean Times writer, NCSoft appeared to soften their stance with "nothing has been decided" re: selling the rights to CoH.  Here's the article:  http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2012/12/602_126197.html   

I also took comfort when I read: "It is hard to comprehend what NCsoft means when they said they closed it for strategic reasons," one analyst said.   NCSoft's business decision has felt inexplicable, moreso when those with expertise examined the public financial data.  Whether Disney goes for our pitch or not, I think at least one MMO publisher will, maybe several.  I anticipate Disney or any corporation considering this will do their own business analysis before moving to negotiate.  I expect such analyses and resulting negotiations to take weeks to months.  While I'd like to see City of Heroes brought back immediately, I'm also willing to wait and do what a fan can do.  /em holdtorch.

[johnrobey]

BTW, Rae, do you or others in Team Wildcard think there would be any use in us writing NCSoft, asking them to sell the rights to CoH rather than leaving it unused and buried in their vaults?  I don't expect for them to pull out a chair for us at the negotiating table, but surely this much interest must count for something.

I remember from the mid-1970s when I did most of my superhero comicbook reading that Stan Lee and others at Marvel and their counterparts at DC took time to answer fan letters.  Apart from our recent ire over the recent Sunset, I've been suprised at how standoffish NCSoft has seemed regarding its customers and fans.

[Rae]

BTW, Rae, do you or others in Team Wildcard think there would be any use in us writing NCSoft, asking them to sell the rights to CoH rather than leaving it unused and buried in their vaults?  I don't expect for them to pull out a chair for us at the negotiating table, but surely this much interest must count for something.

Erm. I'm not sure, honestly. Given the amount of flack they're getting on FB/Twitter etc., it might be worth leaving them be for the meantime. But honestly I couldn't tell you one way or the other if it might be worth doing.

Quinch, Ammon, VV? Any thoughts?

[johnrobey]

I'm not sure if this has any bearing.  While I'm vastly encouraged by the Korean Times article, I note this earlier statement is still up:  http://us.ncsoft.com/en/news/response-to-city-of-heroes-player-and-fan-suggestions.html and remains the second item of official NCSoft News: http://us.ncsoft.com/en/news/

[Victoria Victrix]

Well the "we have not settled anything" statement can be read either as another placating motion to get us to shut up, OR the equivalent of a slap in the face from a senior executive at the NCSoft Main HQ to whatever idiot issued the original statements.

Obviously, I am hoping the latter.  But we have no way of knowing which it might be.

[dwturducken]

Either one is a slap to someone, IMHO.

[johnrobey]

Well the "we have not settled anything" statement can be read either as another placating motion to get us to shut up, OR the equivalent of a slap in the face from a senior executive at the NCSoft Main HQ to whatever idiot issued the original statements.

Obviously, I am hoping the latter.  But we have no way of knowing which it might be.

I am hoping as you are that the more recent statement represents a realignment in focus resulting in the strategic decision to sell the IP and rights to CoH.

May I be a gushing fan again to say how much I liked what you had to say in the Korean Times article?

[Quinch]

Erm. I'm not sure, honestly. Given the amount of flack they're getting on FB/Twitter etc., it might be worth leaving them be for the meantime. But honestly I couldn't tell you one way or the other if it might be worth doing.

Quinch, Ammon, VV? Any thoughts?

I think it depends on the message of the letter - while politeness is an absolute must, I believe it wouldn't hurt to remind them, as the same players who've been giving them so much grief, a genuine effort to undo the harm caused to us might even be reciprocated, or at the very least cause the harm itself from being returned at them.