The Shot Heard Around Paragon City - SCORE Public Release

Started by Super Atom, April 16, 2019, 04:19:43 AM

Mister Hassenpheffer

Quote from: Ironwolf on April 24, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
You know, I think this is my last post here.

We have now got people who have secretly had a server for 6 years keep control of said server and only share it with those they deem worthy.
The same people have lied and misdirected on Reddit and have overthrown the people at Discord. They brook no dissent and everything they do is to maintain power for themselves.

I hear "Community Run Server" bandied about - whose Community? SCoRE and their lackeys? I am happy if the game comes back but other than to donate to keep servers up I am not supporting the lies and cloak and dagger these people seem to revel in.

Please feel free to delete my account here - I am gone.

I wish you would reconsider your stance.

I don't speak for anyone but myself.

As far as that private server goes? I'll say this: I saw first hand what one troll managed to do to the public server.

One. Troll.

I don't blame them for their cloak and dagger. Not one bit.

Don't bother hating me for my opinion. It's always been unpopular.

Does being excluded like that hurt? Of course.

But look where we are now. Now is what matters.

How else could or would we have gotten to this point?

NcSoft has never listened before, but they are now?

Don't give in to that rift. Stick around.

Nightmarer

As much as it pains me see Ironwolf getting so fed up he wants to leave and not to hear from anyone here, I understand him. What I don't understand is why some people still hold that tight to control (now that NCSoft know everything, it can't be that) and why would anyone be so low, despicable and imbecilic to send or hint or whatever that troll exactly did, a fake C&D.

Honestly, I read over and over that a few rotten apples should not tarnish the community and I agree, but we should also acknowledge that the rotten apples we have seem to be rotten to unimaginable levels and perhaps some sort of naming and shaming would not be the worst idea, or maybe it is, I don't know, I just hate havimng that kind of people shielded inside a great community and shattering it from the inside to amuse their own tardiness.

Mister Hassenpheffer

Some people are so miserable they only exist to watch the world burn.

Either the world or something someone or a group of people worked hard for.

They are so miserable its the only thing they have going for them, to make others either as miserable or even worse than they are.

That old say, misery loves company.

Those trolls? KOS. 

That's the only way I know how to deal with them, to stop their destruction from spreading.

Kick them, ban them, have everyone on the same table, and as much as it has been used against us in the past, a unified front should be our response to trolls or the would-be destroyers of all the hard work. It's just a joke to them, and I am not laughing.

Make an example: Destruction is NOT wanted here.

We can't let that rift win. We've come too far.

AmberOfDzu

I second the bunny.

If this had come into the open a few years ago, it might have met with immediate legal attack.

If I had been the one who had technically knowingly received millions' worth of stolen property, I would have been exceedingly careful with and quiet about what I did with it too, even if I believed I was on morally strong ground.

If I was using my personal business to host a private (illegal) server, I would be wary of legal threats too. Trolls can make up pretty convincing stuff. I can't say I wouldn't have panicked either.

If I had connections with the original owner, but wasn't personally involved with such an effort, I'd quietly contact them as well and see if there might be some accommodation possible.

Things change; over time, the IP value of the game has fallen. it's a year older every year, older code, older assets; eventually, the owners will abandon it. Maybe they already have, and will only give us a formal "don't use it" followed by no action at all. Even executive levels of corporations have personnel turn-over. Even if some of the names are the same, not all of them will be.

Maybe they're concerned about legal exposure from personal account information that might have been in the original data stolen. Maybe they would be willing to reach an accommodation just to get enthusiastic scrubbing/purging.

On the Discord team side, this is a crash effort run by the seat of the pants and working off passion, caffeine and volunteer effort; in large part by folks who've never had that much responsibility before in their lives. But they stepped up, like heroes. The may make mistakes, but I understand that.

There aren't any villains here; just good people, trying to do what they can, with what they have, in a trying situation with potential pitfalls the likes of which they've never had to deal with personally before.

Courage doesn't mean you're not afraid - it means you go on anyway.


navyrayne

Third-ed.

Things are so very much different this time around. So much brighter. So many of our brothers and sisters were able to play again and I can tell you, that being in both discords and hearing the elation and sheer joy from those that got to play again really did a number on my emotions.

We're in a much different spot now than ever before and all these people posting rumors, lies, falsehoods, misstruths, what ever we want to call them are simply far to toxic for us to work with.

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Mister Hassenpheffer

I might not get another chance for this.

Ironwolf, Thank you.

Thank you for all you have done for this community.

Thank you for sticking around for as long as you have.

I wish we could talk. There is so much of my personal life I wish I could share with you.

Just to give you an inkling, that I know how frustrating it's been.

I can tell you are emotionally exhausted. I am too.

So yeah, take some time off.  Just don't leave.

Atlantea

I've considered what TonyV and Leandro are doing in regards to talking with NCSoft. What has changed from the last time?

Well, how about the obvious? The sourcecode for the game is now out in the wild and being copied and downloaded and spread far and wide. Two versions of it if I'm reading this correctly. I'm not sure about binaries and databases, but they can't be far behind, once all of them are"scrubbed" of incriminating traces.

Should we trust NCSoft to bargain in good faith? Hell no!

I don't trust them. I doubt Leo trusts them. Or TonyV.

But this isn't about trust. This is about negotiation. One last time we're going to give them the opportunity to do the right thing. But this time we are NOT asking for permission. Not really. I speculate instead that NCSoft is instead being presented with a fait accompli.

If they do the right thing, the sourcecode gets distributed to the wild and above-board servers operate in the open. Perhaps paying a license fee.

If they don't do the right thing, the sourcecode gets distributed to the wild and servers operate on the downlow. Just like the SCoRE invite only server.

If NCSoft initially agrees to a compromise but then goes back on their word, the servers start in the open, but then go underground.

In NONE of these scenarios does NCSoft retain control of the sourcecode. In none of these scanarios can they permanently shut down the game again! Only ONE scenario allows them to save face and perhaps make a small amount of money in return.

If I may paraphrase the words of Tony Stark to Loki from the first Avengers film:

"You're missing the point NCSoft! There's no more control to be had, there is NO version of this where you come out on top! Maybe your lawyers come and maybe it's too much for SOME of us but there will be far too many of us to catch us all. Its all on you now. Make the call. Because City of Heroes will live on, with or without your permission!"

NCSoft may indeed choose to be dicks. But I don't think even time is on their side. The code is OUT and it is beyond the reach of even Leandro now.

Stalling tactics on their part will NOT be to their advantage. The longer they wait, the wider the code gets spread.

"You can't stop the signal."
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Felderburg

Quote from: Surelle on April 24, 2019, 05:18:42 AM
Oh, what did it say? 

I just checked my account settings, and apparently I had "allow other members to  email me" NOT checked!  Ahhhh!

I can't even tell what email I registered under originally, and it was many years ago now.  Ugh.  I've been waiting 7 years for that email, and now this.   :P

When you post in a thread, or click "notify" at the top of one, it should show up in your notifications list, which is accessed through your profile here (um on mobile or I'd give better instructions). So you don't need your email to see what it says.
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navyrayne

Quote from: Atlantea on April 24, 2019, 01:06:03 PM
I've considered what TonyV and Leandro are doing in regards to talking with NCSoft. What has changed from the last time?

Well, how about the obvious? The sourcecode for the game is now out in the wild and being copied and downloaded and spread far and wide. Two versions of it if I'm reading this correctly. I'm not sure about binaries and databases, but they can't be far behind, once all of them are"scrubbed" of incriminating traces.

Should we trust NCSoft to bargain in good faith? Hell no!

I don't trust them. I doubt Leo trusts them. Or TonyV.

But this isn't about trust. This is about negotiation. One last time we're going to give them the opportunity to do the right thing. But this time we are NOT asking for permission. Not really. I speculate instead that NCSoft is instead being presented with a fait accompli.

If they do the right thing, the sourcecode gets distributed to the wild and above-board servers operate in the open. Perhaps paying a license fee.

If they don't do the right thing, the sourcecode gets distributed to the wild and servers operate on the downlow. Just like the SCoRE invite only server.

If NCSoft initially agrees to a compromise but then goes back on their word, the servers start in the open, but then go underground.

In NONE of these scenarios does NCSoft retain control of the sourcecode. In none of these scanarios can they permanently shut down the game again! Only ONE scenario allows them to save face and perhaps make a small amount of money in return.

If I may paraphrase the words of Tony Stark to Loki from the first Avengers film:

"You're missing the point NCSoft! There's no more control to be had, there is NO version of this where you come out on top! Maybe your lawyers come and maybe it's too much for SOME of us but there will be far too many of us to catch us all. Its all on you now. Make the call. Because City of Heroes will live on, with or without your permission!"

NCSoft may indeed choose to be dicks. But I don't think even time is on their side. The code is OUT and it is beyond the reach of even Leandro now.

Stalling tactics on their part will NOT be to their advantage. The longer they wait, the wider the code gets spread.

"You can't stop the signal."

I adore the use of Avengers quotes in this whole scenario. They've lost and they know it. They're at the negotiating table, which means /something/ and is farther than we've been before. Just my two cents.
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Felderburg

Quote from: Sinistar on April 24, 2019, 01:52:32 AM
Question for you all

The bug Hunter badge. I hated that it was awarded only at the whim of the devs.

That being said, should the badge auto award to any new character that logs into a private server?

Technically all players would be likely to report flaws and bugs thus they are all bug hunters by default......or perhaps setup a story arc where players stomp a bunch of rikti monkeys and get the badge at the end?

I agree that it could stand to be a little wider awarded, maybe to people who do test and find bugs... but I also think it's a bold assumption that "all players" would report bugs.
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kiario

Quote from: Ironwolf on April 24, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
You know, I think this is my last post here.

We have now got people who have secretly had a server for 6 years keep control of said server and only share it with those they deem worthy.
The same people have lied and misdirected on Reddit and have overthrown the people at Discord. They brook no dissent and everything they do is to maintain power for themselves.

I hear "Community Run Server" bandied about - whose Community? SCoRE and their lackeys? I am happy if the game comes back but other than to donate to keep servers up I am not supporting the lies and cloak and dagger these people seem to revel in.

Please feel free to delete my account here - I am gone.

Dont delve into the past too much IW. Dont let it press you down.
People have made mistakes in this issue, still make perhaps but we are people. Everyone is different.
Money is evil and can corrupt anyone.

I dont know much about the details in this drama, but I dont care so much personally. Dont let it get to me.

All that matters is that we get a stable future proof version of CoH running.
If we think too much about what is going on behind the curtains in our lives it wont be easy.

You can buy a car or some furniture and without knowing there could be illegal or inhuman stuff going on to provide them to customers.

Kratos says to his son in GoW,
Close your heart to it...


Abraxus

The way I see it, then was not the time.  If it had become public knowledge back then, it would have been swatted down, and I don't believe we would be where we are today.  On the verge of getting our game back on many potential fronts.  The leverage is more on the side of the players now that the code has been released, and THAT is the main thing that could make the difference with NCSoft this time around.  That, and changes in leadership there over the years to folks who are even less invested in this IP than the original ones were. 

One way or another, we are getting our game back.  It is just a matter of whether it is a private server, or a sanctioned community server, or both.  I will be watching with great interest, but I am not interested in the least in recriminations, or exacting revenge on those who were on the original SCORE server all this time.  If anything, I envy them, but I don't begrudge them something that I myself would have likely done, if I had the chance.  I think most of us would have.
What was no more, is now reborn!

navyrayne

No one overthrew anyone in discord Ironwolf,  kind of at a loss as to what you're talking about there.

What we need right now is understanding, and not rumor mill and hate. If they were doing everything just to "maintain power" then none of what has happened over the last week would have. Leo wouldn't have put out the code, and helped set up the server in the first place.

We can only hope this turns out good.
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Captain Electric

The Discord wasn't overthrown, it self-imploded. Loath him or love him, it's been a total amateur hour over there except for Leandro, while the public server admins have been busy in-fighting, jockeying for power, mired in petty drama, bigotry, and finally went soft at the first sign of a C&D.

The most annoyed I've been this week about SCORE is when I heard Leandro got a few thousand people in before it all blew up. Wow, I would not have let that many people in, personally. NCSoft, y'all. fite me.

Forgive me for being out of the loop lately, and I like Ironwolf a lot, and I think he's leaving exactly when he's needed the most, but I don't care what people like the public server admins think about Leandro or the Titan Network or cloak and dagger or anything else for that matter, and if it can be passed into the Titan Network's capable and well-moderated hands going forward, okay, cool story bro, sounds legit, where's my game already, stop being dramatic, let's do this.

Korbian

Quote from: Abraxus on April 24, 2019, 01:38:02 PM
That, and changes in leadership there over the years to folks who are even less invested in this IP than the original ones were.

Ooooooh.  I hadn't even thought of that.  If that actually is the case that could totally work in our favor.

RGladden

Quote from: Mister Hassenpheffer on April 24, 2019, 12:49:52 PM
I might not get another chance for this.

Ironwolf, Thank you.

Thank you for all you have done for this community.

Thank you for sticking around for as long as you have.

I wish we could talk. There is so much of my personal life I wish I could share with you.

Just to give you an inkling, that I know how frustrating it's been.

I can tell you are emotionally exhausted. I am too.

So yeah, take some time off.  Just don't leave.

I second that motion.  Ironwolf, I appreciate everything that you have done for the CoH community.  Please do not leave.  Step back, catch your breath, and try not to let all of this crap get to you.  This is a great community, but like all great communities it isn't perfect.  No matter what you or any of us may do, that will never change.  So don't sweat that part of it.  Thumbs up!

Azrael

Quote from: Atlantea on April 24, 2019, 01:06:03 PM
I've considered what TonyV and Leandro are doing in regards to talking with NCSoft. What has changed from the last time?

Well, how about the obvious? The sourcecode for the game is now out in the wild and being copied and downloaded and spread far and wide. Two versions of it if I'm reading this correctly. I'm not sure about binaries and databases, but they can't be far behind, once all of them are"scrubbed" of incriminating traces.

Should we trust NCSoft to bargain in good faith? Hell no!

I don't trust them. I doubt Leo trusts them. Or TonyV.

But this isn't about trust. This is about negotiation. One last time we're going to give them the opportunity to do the right thing. But this time we are NOT asking for permission. Not really. I speculate instead that NCSoft is instead being presented with a fait accompli.

If they do the right thing, the sourcecode gets distributed to the wild and above-board servers operate in the open. Perhaps paying a license fee.

If they don't do the right thing, the sourcecode gets distributed to the wild and servers operate on the downlow. Just like the SCoRE invite only server.

If NCSoft initially agrees to a compromise but then goes back on their word, the servers start in the open, but then go underground.

In NONE of these scenarios does NCSoft retain control of the sourcecode. In none of these scanarios can they permanently shut down the game again! Only ONE scenario allows them to save face and perhaps make a small amount of money in return.

If I may paraphrase the words of Tony Stark to Loki from the first Avengers film:

"You're missing the point NCSoft! There's no more control to be had, there is NO version of this where you come out on top! Maybe your lawyers come and maybe it's too much for SOME of us but there will be far too many of us to catch us all. Its all on you now. Make the call. Because City of Heroes will live on, with or without your permission!"

NCSoft may indeed choose to be dicks. But I don't think even time is on their side. The code is OUT and it is beyond the reach of even Leandro now.

Stalling tactics on their part will NOT be to their advantage. The longer they wait, the wider the code gets spread.

"You can't stop the signal."

'I don't trust 'em.  I don't think they can handle it.'  Mace Windu.

Corporations.  I'll believe this 'community spirit' when I see it.  Corporations aren't human.  They're entities.  So I'll proceed with scepticism.  And in no way should these talks put the private server progress on ice.

We've waiting long enough.

I think SCORE (with an Argentina distro - I'll gladly hit the donate button....) server, Discord server, Iron Wolf server...and eventually 'Homer Simpson home brew distro' server than can be run by anyone aka Paragon Chat style....

That's the Holy Grail.

This negotiation by Tony V is worthy of him.  But his adversary (did I say that?) isn't worthy. 

I'd prefer to play on the private servers with 200 or less players or the holy grail?  One I can set up myself.  That has to be the goal of expediency.

As Codewalker has hinted, it's been six years and the 'software packages' still haven't been shrunk to run on home brew PC?  Perhaps with greater weight of programmers on it, that barrier will be a wall that is pulled down.  So the two separate server parts(?) can be virtualised and speak as software to software servers on the same PC? 

Home PCs are very powerful now and getting more so.  I'd find it hard to believe the modern PC can't server a modest 50-200 server situation aka Paragon Chat style.  THAT is all I want. 

No more gatekeepers.  Let's shatter the 'ring' and scatter it to the four corners of the CoH community so we can all share the burden.

It's a community game?  Now's the time to make that so.  So we can all have a seat at the table.  The code is out in the wild now.

Just a matter of time before the rebel alliance democratise it?

What are the server specs to run it?  Anyone know?

Azrael.

PS.  NC Soft had the power.  Now they don't in these negotiations.  Just hand over a non-exclusive OPEN SOURCE license to the CoH community.

IF NC want to make CoH2, get on with it.  Don't care.  I just want to play the original.  I didn't even trust Paragon to make CoH 2.

Azrael

Quote from: Captain Electric on April 24, 2019, 01:43:20 PM
The Discord wasn't overthrown, it self-imploded. Loath him or love him, it's been a total amateur hour over there except for Leandro, while the public server admins have been busy in-fighting, jockeying for power, mired in petty drama, bigotry, and finally went soft at the first sign of a C&D.

The most annoyed I've been this week about SCORE is when I heard Leandro got a few thousand people in before it all blew up. Wow, I would not have let that many people in, personally. NCSoft, y'all. fite me.

Forgive me for being out of the loop lately, and I like Ironwolf a lot, and I think he's leaving exactly when he's needed the most, but I don't care what people like the public server admins think about Leandro or the Titan Network or cloak and dagger or anything else for that matter, and if it can be passed into the Titan Network's capable and well-moderated hands going forward, okay, cool story bro, sounds legit, where's my game already, stop being dramatic, let's do this.

We need calm heads.

I wish Tony V (a real gentleman) all the best with these talks.  I hope he succeeds.  (Godspeed, Tony.)  He's got a good heart.  And we've had a good home here at Titan. 

If we can get a 'legit' community license for us to 'play here?'  Perfect. 

But I don't trust NC.  (Wonder why....)  But I admire Tony for trying.

Discord/CoH got the server up and running.  But they couldn't have done that with Leandro and SCORE's hard work over 6 years.

The carping and entitlement whilst bashing Leandro was nothing short of astonishing.

We have the game because a brave dev' leaked (morally and rightfully in my view....) the source code so it could be preserved. 

We can't let corporations get away with renting our time and yanking our investment.  (And yes, your time and money is an investment...but it turns into a pyramid scheme when they yank the server?)

Yes.  It is NC's IP, but I think the user has a right to play a game they paid over £1000 for.  (As for their ULA, print it out and roll it up and do what you wish with it.  I care not.)

Sure, I'm not going to open a shop and sell their IP.  I want the right to play it privately.  Solo.  Lan.  Modest server.  That HAS to be the aim.  I want the software in all our hands so we can all play it.  Here, there...anywhere. 

NC.  It's a dead game.  They don't even have a working copy of it.  They really don't care.  It's dead IP.

It's out of their hands now.  We're in a position of strength.

Leandro is a nice guy.  Well meaning and 'his'(?) SCORE team, Codewalker have preserved this game for all of us.  It was their modified i25 that we played in this last week.  The game might not have been leaked.  It might have been gone forever.  They had it for 6 years.  So what?  They've worked on it.  5 or so guys/gals using their spare time to keep the dream alive.  I wish I had the skills to help them.  Presumably they've all got a back up to guard against getting hit by a bus.  They invited 'trusted' CoH players to test their progress.  So?  Lots of those people are dead.  I won't grudge somebody who was ill to play the game as their dying wish or spend their time that way.

Perhaps the 'leak' was the jolt to 'move this thing' forwards.  As it was clearly having a heavy burden on Leandro's shoulders.  They're not 'full time' devs as has been pointed out RE: PChat progress.  This last week showed with more hands on it, great things can happen.  But it wasn't legal.  And I understand the team wanting to get to a position of legitimacy.

Make a server better than the original and performed better.  I'm sure they've made headway.  How much?  They haven't said?  But they have modified the original server and have clearly learned this 'game' inside out by the looks of things.  But five part-time coders are up against it.  At the rate of progress?  Another 6 years to get a reverse engineered server? D on't know.

Star Wars galaxies had a leak, a bigger community and sheer weight of numbers on it and it had something in less than 6 years?

There are over private servers of NC Soft's IP out there.  Did they implode like Discord/COH did?  I'll have to admit, it's easy to say, 'Get on the cross.'  Far harder to be the person who gets on it first.  So I do understand what SCORE kept things secret.  They could have been sued into oblivion.  Put in jail.  Had their assets frozen.  Had to hand over their progress or anything.

I always suspected the game had been leaked.  Why?  Because of the way NC Soft 'man handled' the shut down. You get people's back up doing it the way they did.  If they've any honour....give the old game to the community with an open licencse.  And if NC want to sell the IP to hollywood to option as a movie.  Bully for them.  If it mean so much, why didn't NC keep a working server?  A company making millions couldln't keep a crummy server working?  Or throw us a skeleton server with 100k gamers on it?

Azrael.

Felderburg

Quote from: Ironwolf on April 24, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
You know, I think this is my last post here.

We have now got people who have secretly had a server for 6 years keep control of said server and only share it with those they deem worthy.
The same people have lied and misdirected on Reddit and have overthrown the people at Discord. They brook no dissent and everything they do is to maintain power for themselves.

I hear "Community Run Server" bandied about - whose Community? SCoRE and their lackeys? I am happy if the game comes back but other than to donate to keep servers up I am not supporting the lies and cloak and dagger these people seem to revel in.

Please feel free to delete my account here - I am gone.

But why leave Titan? Titan Network kept itself entirely separate from SCoRE once the initial recruitment happened. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "overthrown the people at discord." The original discord server was not run by Leandro or SCoRE by any means, and still isn't. And the new reddit discord was made by the new, current reddit mods, who have absolutely nothing to do with SCoRE (otherwise people wouldn't trust them to mod the reddit). Their reasons for making a new server are laid out in their post, and clearly have nothing to do with SCoRE.
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Azrael

Quote from: RGladden on April 24, 2019, 01:45:29 PM
I second that motion.  Ironwolf, I appreciate everything that you have done for the CoH community.  Please do not leave.  Step back, catch your breath, and try not to let all of this crap get to you.  This is a great community, but like all great communities it isn't perfect.  No matter what you or any of us may do, that will never change.  So don't sweat that part of it.  Thumbs up!

Count to ten, Iron Wolf.

The community needs you, Leandro, SCORE, Discord CoH and Tony exploring all options.

It doesn't matter about 'who said what to who.'

What matters is the game is back.  (Thanks to Leandro and SCORE for safeguarding and progressing...)

But the time is now to race to get it into the hands of the many.

Azrael.