New efforts!

[Pearl Dragon]

You are welcome  :)

[Fanta]

You have to see it from NCSoft (or any multinational corporation point of view.) CoX at this point is not a game to them, heck the CoX community is not even on their minds. All CoX is liquidity assist, that's it and time/resource is weight on the return on investment. So say the "nice profit for little cost" argument is valid, what would be the price of CoX IP? I assume CoX can't be more than anymore than the low single digits of the millions if even that. Let's be generous and say the price for CoX is 5 million dollars. This sounds like a good profit of the average person, but for a company as of 2012 who annual revenue was $686.6 million, total assists in $1.2 billion, and with 3,000 or so employees around the world, 5 million dollars is nothing. That is probably just covering operation cost for couple of months. So how much effort would they need to process this? The time calculated in the individuals involved on NC Soft payroll to divert their attention to CoX instead the other active projects + the cost of communication + the legal fees + the verification of a new company to be capabilities of sustaining the IP (they are turning over the IP to a newly form company MWM, who never created a game, so that is a big leap.)

As stated alot in this thread, for Koreans (can speak to this because I am Korean-American) it is ingrained into us just because you give away something you built or owned doesn't mean your not tied to it. Your history is still tied to the product, therefore a failure of the future of product that is no longer in your control is a failure on you because you allow that level of control to be taken away. This builds up to "Han" which is really funny because I never experienced it personally, but according to my parents, acts like collect of negative karma. It is not just a simple process of cut a check and see ya. You can say being stubborn in the Korean Culture is due to the fear of Han. Although, my parents did tell me people use Han as some sort of super power in which they channel all of their anger, hate, regret, etc and focuses it to wish ill on those who wrong them.

Edit: Not to make Koreans sound like the Korean Culture is all vengeful people, there is always an opposite force to Han, this is called "Jeong." Like Han, there is no Western equivalent meaning to define this, but the best way to explain this is that it exhibits all the characteristics of Han, but in the "Positive Karma" form. I came to know it as unconditional love, but really that in itself is an over simplification of what "Jeong" is. Korean is really a unique culture and everything is about balance, as shown in the RoK Flag with the prominent display of the taegeukgi (the thing that looks like a Ying Yang that symbolized balance and absolute.)

For someone to put their honor (by any definition) over thousands of people is true selfishness. Whatever, I do understand karma :D

[Brigadine]

For someone to put their honor (by any definition) over thousands of people is true selfishness. Whatever, I do understand karma :D

Also, harming many innocents is most dishonorable..

[Noyjitat]

There appear to be some COH Coffee Talk Videos, here - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15528482

Oh god can't watch.... more memories :( BTW, why has everyone moved from ustream to twitch tv anyway?

[Angel Phoenix77]

There appear to be some COH Coffee Talk Videos, here - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15528482

There are some coffee talk on youtube :)

[Arcana]

For someone to put their honor (by any definition) over thousands of people is true selfishness.

People do it all the time.  Its unlikely anyone within reach of these words hasn't done something for their own personal desires that had the potential to negatively impact tons of people, just in ways they believed to be relatively minor by their reckoning. 

Also consider the idea of "personal honor"is not all that different a belief from "professional integrity" something I personally believe in.  If someone came to me and told me to do something extremely unethical but legal to benefit their company, I would most likely not do it even if there was no chance of being discovered, even though the trade there is between one person's sense of ethics verses a large number of people's material benefit.  You could argue that in a practical sense, that's an extremely selfish stance to take.

[Taceus Jiwede]

For someone to put their honor (by any definition) over thousands of people is true selfishness. Whatever, I do understand karma :D

Most of the people are just doing their job.  Remaining loyal to the company they work for as well as the people they work for.  To say any particular person is selfish for doing this is unfair.  I understand the actions of the company as a whole may be taken as unfair to you.  But on an individual basis none of these people are being selfish.  I wouldn't wish any bad karma against any of them.

[GenericHero05]

Does this ever happen to anyone else?  Lately, my wife and I have been having these amazing and quite vivid "flashbacks" of being in certain parts of Paragon City.  The weird thing is that it's never any specific mission.  For example, it's just a particular area of Boomtown or a street corner in Brickstown or the beach by the Brickstown entrance and the road along the far side in IP.  I flash also to old Faultline and being caught in the "ravines of insanity".

We're not clairvoyant but how sweet would it be if this time we were?

[Fanta]

Most of the people are just doing their job.  Remaining loyal to the company they work for as well as the people they work for.  To say any particular person is selfish for doing this is unfair.  I understand the actions of the company as a whole may be taken as unfair to you.  But on an individual basis none of these people are being selfish.  I wouldn't wish any bad karma against any of them.

I fine with the majority just doing their jobs. This is not what I'm referring to since they have very little say in decision making. Being loyal is a perfectly fine quality as well, unless it's misplaced of course. Now to the notion that a particular person is selfish, or in this case, spiteful. It was said that the deal was within a signature of going through on the first attempt but, there was a personality conflict or something to that effect which killed the deal. What would you call it? BTW, can you wish bad Karma on anyone, or do they make their own?

The people approaching them.

There was a personal issue that cropped up in the first effort. I won't say more on it.

[MM3squints]

I fine with the majority just doing their jobs. This is not what I'm referring to since they have very little say in decision making. Being loyal is a perfectly fine quality as well, unless it's misplaced of course. Now to the notion that a particular person is selfish, or in this case, spiteful. It was said that the deal was within a signature of going through on the first attempt but, there was a personality conflict or something to that effect which killed the deal. What would you call it? BTW, can you wish bad Karma on anyone, or do they make their own?

Maybe Karma was an over simplification of Han or it just confused people of the concept. The idea of Han is not to spite someone or to be selfish, it is a build up of "ill will." This "will" as apparent with my Karma analogy, is confusing to those who don't experience it including myself because I never experienced Han and only Jeong (which even experiencing is very confusing to explain because there is no western equivalent) Han is not just centered on one event or one thing, but an accumulation of all negative events that is an external force (if that even makes sense) All anger, hate, frustration is accumulated to a "meter" if you will and when something extremely awful happens, you take that lifetime of ill will and can release it on a single point. Very simple example, but imagine you go to a Starbucks and you order a Carmel Frapachino, but they give you a Moca Frapachino. Imagine you take all of your anger out from the day you can remember as a child someone taking a toy from you to yesterday when that jerk cut you off on the freeway, and everything in between those two points. All of your anger, frustration, pain, regret, etc and blow up on the barista that your order is not right. Sounds psychotic, it is, but again that this a very simple example and Han is more complex than this and people even said having too much Han can make a person physically sick.

Again, I never experienced that level of anger (I guess that can be the most simple definition of Han) and I've seen the older generation deal with it, from blowing up on each other, cutting all ties with the family so even the kids can't see each other, to legal ramifications due to Han (finding a reason, any reason to bring the said individual to court for reprisal and vengeance) Long explanation short, if your Korean, you want to avoid getting Han.

Edit: Want to know what an active situation of Han is? The NC Soft/Nexon breakup. Sure on paper, it seems they went their separate ways. Ya~~

[hejtmane]

Maybe Karma was an over simplification of Han or it just confused people of the concept. The idea of Han is not to spite someone or to be selfish, it is a build up of "ill will." This "will" as apparent with my Karma analogy, is confusing to those who don't experience it including myself because I never experienced Han and only Jeong (which even experiencing is very confusing to explain because there is no western equivalent) Han is not just centered on one event or one thing, but an accumulation of all negative events that is an external force (if that even makes sense) All anger, hate, frustration is accumulated to a "meter" if you will and when something extremely awful happens, you take that lifetime of ill will and can release it on a single point. Very simple example, but imagine you go to a Starbucks and you order a Carmel Frapachino, but they give you a Moca Frapachino. Imagine you take all of your anger out from the day you can remember as a child someone taking a toy from you to yesterday when that jerk cut you off on the freeway, and everything in between those two points. All of your anger, frustration, pain, regret, etc and blow up on the barista that your order is not right. Sounds psychotic, it is, but again that this a very simple example and Han is more complex than this and people even said having too much Han can make a person physically sick.

Again, I never experienced that level of anger (I guess that can be the most simple definition of Han) and I've seen the older generation deal with it, from blowing up on each other, cutting all ties with the family so even the kids can't see each other, to legal ramifications due to Han (finding a reason, any reason to bring the said individual to court for reprisal and vengeance) Long explanation short, if your Korean, you want to avoid getting Han.

Edit: Want to know what an active situation of Han is? The NC Soft/Nexon breakup. Sure on paper, it seems they went their separate ways. Ya~~

All I know is I still refuse to even look at any game that has NCSoft attached to the game. The way I see it if the game was losing money I get it cut ties and move on. That was not the case the game was still making money and they decided to close the game why would I ever trust them again or play a game they have ties to again. How can I trust them to keep the game up and running even if it is making money; why would I waste my time and money on a game that would just as likely be shutdown despite being profitable.

[Vee]

so you're saying ncsoft needs a bit o' this?

https://youtu.be/ZIjqKzhmNic?t=6

[Ironwolf]

I haven't played an NCSoft game just because I don't care for the games. I honestly don't care if they get my money, I just don't like the product.

If you are doing business with a multi-billion dollar company and wish to run or take over a game with their name on it - being respectful during the process might just be a good idea, just saying.

[Pyromantic]

I can't say I understand the sentiment that NCSoft is being selfish.  It is their property.  If someone came to your house and demanded that you sell something belonging to you because a lot of other people want access to it, would it be selfish of you to refuse?  And if that refusal was based on a personality conflict with the buyer, does that make it any more selfish?

Yes, the process is frustratingly slow.  Yes, we miss CoH and want to play it again.  But treating NCSoft as the big bad because they won't just hand it over seems counterproductive.

[Thunder Glove]

If you are doing business with a multi-billion dollar company and wish to run or take over a game with their name on it - being respectful during the process might just be a good idea, just saying.

Meh.  I agree that the people doing the negotiating should be respectful.

But as for me, NCSoft shut down my all-time favorite video game in the history of video games.  They could have just called I24 their final update and put it into maintenance mode, because it was still making them money and I24 was a huge thing that everyone was looking forward to, but instead they decided to cancel the update, shut the game down (apparently just to spite someone on the development team) and refuse to sell it to the studio that wanted it (for the same reason) or to anyone else at the time.

And then they want my respect?  No.  No, sir.

I am still angry at them.  I haven't found a game that has even 1% of all the things I loved about CoH (even when I think I've found a replacement, I get bored with it after a month or two), and certainly nothing NCSoft has available is going to scratch that itch.

So I'll respect them after they sell it.  Once I'm back on the streets of Paragon City, I'll say "Okay, NCSoft, you did good."  I'll forgive.  I won't forget.

Until then, they're just the jerks took my favorite game away because of a childish tantrum against someone at Paragon Studios.

[Sound Bight]

I haven't played an NCSoft game just because I don't care for the games. I honestly don't care if they get my money, I just don't like the product.

If you are doing business with a multi-billion dollar company and wish to run or take over a game with their name on it - being respectful during the process might just be a good idea, just saying.

I can totally agree with this...100%...gotta say though,

Meh.  I agree that the people doing the negotiating should be respectful.

But as for me, NCSoft shut down my all-time favorite video game in the history of video games.  They could have just called I24 their final update and put it into maintenance mode, because it was still making them money and I24 was a huge thing that everyone was looking forward to, but instead they decided to cancel the update, shut the game down (apparently just to spite someone on the development team) and refuse to sell it to the studio that wanted it (for the same reason) or to anyone else at the time.

And then they want my respect?  No.  No, sir.

I am still angry at them.  I haven't found a game that has even 1% of all the things I loved about CoH (even when I think I've found a replacement, I get bored with it after a month or two), and certainly nothing NCSoft has available is going to scratch that itch.

So I'll respect them after they sell it.  Once I'm back on the streets of Paragon City, I'll say "Okay, NCSoft, you did good."  I'll forgive.  I won't forget.

Until then, they're just the jerks took my favorite game away because of a childish tantrum against someone at Paragon Studios.

Where's the "Like" Button for this.

[Angel Phoenix77]

Is it really that time of the month the doom and gloom? Dang and no one told me :(

[Abraxus]

Is it really that time of the month the doom and gloom? Dang and no one told me :(

It is kind of cyclic.  I just have not figured out the intervals yet.   ;) ;D 8)

[MegaWatt]

it varies monthly, ocassionally its just spill over from the prior month.

[hurple]

Meh.  I agree that the people doing the negotiating should be respectful.

But as for me, NCSoft shut down my all-time favorite video game in the history of video games.  They could have just called I24 their final update and put it into maintenance mode, because it was still making them money and I24 was a huge thing that everyone was looking forward to, but instead they decided to cancel the update, shut the game down (apparently just to spite someone on the development team) and refuse to sell it to the studio that wanted it (for the same reason) or to anyone else at the time.

And then they want my respect?  No.  No, sir.

I am still angry at them.  I haven't found a game that has even 1% of all the things I loved about CoH (even when I think I've found a replacement, I get bored with it after a month or two), and certainly nothing NCSoft has available is going to scratch that itch.

So I'll respect them after they sell it.  Once I'm back on the streets of Paragon City, I'll say "Okay, NCSoft, you did good."  I'll forgive.  I won't forget.

Until then, they're just the jerks took my favorite game away because of a childish tantrum against someone at Paragon Studios.

Exactly my thoughts too.  Well stated, sir.