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Quote from: OzonePrime on May 19, 2015, 02:36:37 PM
Bigger Spoiler: Shakespeare constant        Comedies - everyone gets married             Dramas- everyone dies

Bigger Spoiler, Dante Alighieri Divine Comedy was really not a Comedy (unless of course you are Dante, then it may be one of the first forms of published Black Comedy)

Arcana

Quote from: Aggelakis on May 19, 2015, 05:18:22 AM
Wow, that's about 100 times worse than Felder's claim. Shakespeare's been dead hundreds of years. Yeah, that grace period is LONG over. LONG over.

Technically speaking, if I were to give away the ending to the Dinosaurs series, would that be a twenty-one year spoiler, or a sixty-five million year spoiler?

Ryo Kinsaru

Quote from: Arcana on May 19, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Technically speaking, if I were to give away the ending to the Dinosaurs series, would that be a twenty-one year spoiler, or a sixty-five million year spoiler?

Sixty-five million years ago he was not the mama. The end.
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Quote from: Arcana on May 19, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Technically speaking, if I were to give away the ending to the Dinosaurs series, would that be a twenty-one year spoiler, or a sixty-five million year spoiler?

You have to admit, that ending is one of the best ever broadcast on television.

Joshex

Quote from: Aggelakis on Today at 05:18:22 am

    Wow, that's about 100 times worse than Felder's claim. Shakespeare's been dead hundreds of years. Yeah, that grace period is LONG over. LONG over.

Quote from: Arcana on May 19, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Technically speaking, if I were to give away the ending to the Dinosaurs series, would that be a twenty-one year spoiler, or a sixty-five million year spoiler?

This conversation fails to remember that one simple fact we've heard so many people denounce that it's structured the way we perceive audience; Contrary to popular belief, there were actually people born yesterday.

these people have a right to grow up and stumble on Shakespeare's works without spoilers before hand.

it's one of the same things I've been trying to drill into Nintendo's head since way back, there were people born yesterday, thats a whole new generation who has never seen mario bros, the legend of zelda etc. are you honestly that unhappy with the golden days of your series beginning and prosperity that you seek to deprive these players proper 3D remakes?

Original mario bros.? a fully 3D environment?... yeah..... not in your life time unless it's a poorly made fan game or a 2.5D side-scroller with no backsides to any of the items. [Citation; Personal opinion of what I perceive Nintendo's answer to be based on how they have chosen to move forwards]

just to defend my position, even Super mario world 3D (I don't know how they can call it that, doesn't even come close!) Fails terribly because of the obvious disconnect of the stage and the background, there's many ways to connect the stage and the background based on the type of scene and usage, I think nintendo just didn't want to be bothered trying.

L-A-Z-Y

wait what was the topic? I got lost while BSing. Oh right! there were people born yesterday and they deserve no spoilers.

The rule of thumb here is probably; Spoilers of content 7-10 years old ( considered classic) or more conversed to people of an age deemed to have been old enough to view it or older is probably acceptable but you should always ask.

There is always another way. But it might not work exactly like you may desire.

A wise old rabbit once told me "Never give-up!, Trust your instincts!" granted the advice at the time led me on a tripped-out voyage out of an asteroid belt, but hey it was more impressive than a bunch of rocks and space monkies.

Arcana

Quote from: Joshex on May 19, 2015, 09:55:03 PMThe rule of thumb here is probably; Spoilers of content 7-10 years old ( considered classic) or more conversed to people of an age deemed to have been old enough to view it or older is probably acceptable but you should always ask.

Ask who, specifically, what, specifically?

ivanhedgehog

Quote from: Joshex on May 19, 2015, 09:55:03 PM
Quote from: Aggelakis on Today at 05:18:22 am

    Wow, that's about 100 times worse than Felder's claim. Shakespeare's been dead hundreds of years. Yeah, that grace period is LONG over. LONG over.

This conversation fails to remember that one simple fact we've heard so many people denounce that it's structured the way we perceive audience; Contrary to popular belief, there were actually people born yesterday.

these people have a right to grow up and stumble on Shakespeare's works without spoilers before hand.

it's one of the same things I've been trying to drill into Nintendo's head since way back, there were people born yesterday, thats a whole new generation who has never seen mario bros, the legend of zelda etc. are you honestly that unhappy with the golden days of your series beginning and prosperity that you seek to deprive these players proper 3D remakes?

Original mario bros.? a fully 3D environment?... yeah..... not in your life time unless it's a poorly made fan game or a 2.5D side-scroller with no backsides to any of the items. [Citation; Personal opinion of what I perceive Nintendo's answer to be based on how they have chosen to move forwards]

just to defend my position, even Super mario world 3D (I don't know how they can call it that, doesn't even come close!) Fails terribly because of the obvious disconnect of the stage and the background, there's many ways to connect the stage and the background based on the type of scene and usage, I think nintendo just didn't want to be bothered trying.

L-A-Z-Y

wait what was the topic? I got lost while BSing. Oh right! there were people born yesterday and they deserve no spoilers.

The rule of thumb here is probably; Spoilers of content 7-10 years old ( considered classic) or more conversed to people of an age deemed to have been old enough to view it or older is probably acceptable but you should always ask.

there were people born yesterday, we should stop teaching history because that subject is just 1 big spoiler. let it be a surprise.

as for nintendo..they do things to make money, not to impress you. if they didnt see a substantial profit in the project you want, they didnt do it. that isnt lazy, thats business.

Vee

People born yesterday neither watch movies nor use the internet. Nevertheless, if you stand outside the neonatal ward yelling spoilers through the glass you'll likely be escorted out.

Arcana

Completely random thought:

I've been playing Star Trek Online recently, and I've started going through the accolade list and trying to complete as many as possible.  A completely nonsensical expenditure of my limited playtime that I blame City of Heroes for.  One particular set of accolades are the "Lore" accolades that are grouped into sets by year, encompassing a set of 29 years leading up to the fictional year the game considered the present day as of the game's launch (2409).  In total, there are 166 separate Lore items/accolades you can collect.  The way it works is that about once per day (really once every 20 hours or so, but basically once per day) you can get a random "chip" from a computer that will contain one of those 166 data points at random.  You can also buy them from the player-to-player exchange but some are expensive and some aren't available for sale.

I've been collecting these for a while now (although I have a lifetime sub from launch, I stopped playing less than a year after launch and haven't really played it for any significant stretch until last summer).  Until now, that I've started to make significant headway in the accolade list (13850 points total - STO gives different numbers of points per accolade depending on which one it is) did I stop to consider how long it might take to complete that set.  Assuming those chips are random, and I get one per day, and there's 166 of them, statistically speaking it will likely take on average about 950 days to do so: over two and a half years.

Of course, it only takes a short amount of time per day to get that one chip, although that time could be significant: you have to travel to the one place you can get them, and travel takes time (space travel, and the act of physically walking to the dispenser on the ground).  Assuming five minutes of your day (per alt) that amounts to almost 80 hours of actual playtime.

To put that into perspective, if you attempted to earn Empath in City of Heroes through conventional healing before it was adjusted (from 1 billion to 100 million) you were likely to need something on the order of one to ten thousand hours of concentrated healing playtime.  On the other hand, it could be idle farmed on a time scale of months to a year (I did it in about nine months off and on).  I probably put hundreds of hours on activities related to Empath, which is more time than I will eventually (likely) need to finish the STO Lore accolades, but far less calendar time.

I was wondering if there were any other STO accolades that could take longer (in calendar time or play time to acquire, and how that compared to CoH badges.  The only other potentially very long term STO accolade I can think of is Loaded, which requires winning 1 million GPL playing Dabo.  Dabo games seem to run about once every 30 seconds, and you can only play three spots maximum, and you can only bet 100 (GPL or EC) maximum.  According to the STO wiki, the rate of return is about 88% (actually the wiki also says the conversion rate is 1:1.7, which is a contradiction, so I'm going with the 88% until I decide to work out the math myself) which means you will statistically have to bet about 1.14 million EC to win 1 million GPL.  At 300 per thirty seconds, that's 10 EC per second or about 114,000 seconds of continuous play.  There's no way to auto-play (short of using a bot, which I'm not doing) so that's about 32 hours of continuous play.  Ridiculous, repetitive play.

There was no CoH badge I can recall that required such play.  Even the original zookeeper at least could be farmed with conventional - if repetitive - play (I did the original zookeeper in about 4.5 hours of non-stop monkey bashing on monkey island).  By the end of the game there were extremely few accolades I didn't have (most notoriously, Master of Underground was the thorn in my side).  But I'm trying to think of an accolade that either took three years to earn or huge numbers of hours of drinking bird activity.  Leader I suppose comes to mind, at least the original 2 billion inf version.  If you were willing to do a lot of combat, a high level character could achieve numbers in the thousands of inf per second, which would equate to hundreds of hours to achieve the pre-adjusted Leader.

The real question, of course, is why do it at all?  Sometimes there are material rewards, sometimes not, and when they exist they are almost always not worth it (the CoH badges that unlocked accolade powers were usually worth at least trying, but the rest usually offered nothing in particular; the STO kill accolades offer a whole 2.5% damage buff against that specific critter type after killing so many of them you hope you never see them again anyway - and often don't).  And here's another thing: I only do this in MMOs.  There are single player games that have similar systems, and they usually don't interest me much.  I tried, but didn't have the staying power to catch-um-all in Arkham Asylum for example.

I think its because I know, deep down, that single player games eventually end.  Eventually I do everything I'm likely to want to do, and starting silly long-term projects in a game I know I'm not going to be *playing* long term is nonsensical.  But with MMOs, the hope is always that there is a future, that if this game catches enough of my attention it might be something I might want to play for a very long time, or at least revisit periodically for a long time.  The game has a future, so its ok to play it as if it has a future.  Most single player games don't have a future.  They have a now, and that's it.

A while back I said that I had moved on from City of Heroes, that I wasn't simply waiting around for it to magically reappear, and that's true.  But its also true that while my life has moved on, there's still a part of me that sees my CoH characters as sleeping, not gone.  They all had futures, right up to the last day the servers were shut down.  I still think of them having futures, even if the truth is I don't know if or when I might see that future.  That's why I was happy to get Master of Magisterium, literally a couple weeks before shutdown.  Right to the end, I was playing as if there was still a future where such things mattered.  When you're playing another game, and you're running on rooftops trying to get an exploration accolade, and all you can think about is how much easier this was when you could fly, and how you wish your characters could be here to get just one more meaningless badge, you know you might have moved on, but you also carried it all with you.

Eskreema

My main DM/SR scrapper finally got the last damage badge - immortal - in the last year of play.  I did not farm it.  I started him opening day.  He also got empath, tho that was significantly helped by incarnate powers.
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Quote from: Joshex on May 19, 2015, 09:55:03 PMthese people have a right to grow up and stumble on Shakespeare's works without spoilers before hand.
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So far so good. Onward and upward!

Arcana

Quote from: Eskreema on May 20, 2015, 01:10:11 AM
My main DM/SR scrapper finally got the last damage badge - immortal - in the last year of play.  I did not farm it.  I started him opening day.  He also got empath, tho that was significantly helped by incarnate powers.

I'm not sure if I should be impressed or saddened by the fact that your DM/SR, whose explicit forte is not getting hit, managed to get the Immortal damage badge without farming (even after the Great Decimal Point Dance of Issue 16).

Rejolt

Quote from: Arcana on May 20, 2015, 01:49:19 AM
I'm not sure if I should be impressed or saddened by the fact that your DM/SR, whose explicit forte is not getting hit, managed to get the Immortal damage badge without farming (even after the Great Decimal Point Dance of Issue 16).

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JanessaVR

Quote from: Arcana on May 20, 2015, 01:49:19 AM
I'm not sure if I should be impressed or saddened by the fact that your DM/SR, whose explicit forte is not getting hit, managed to get the Immortal damage badge without farming (even after the Great Decimal Point Dance of Issue 16).
Ha!  My first character got that badge in record time.  She was a fire blaster my fellow SG members nicknamed "The Queen of Death."  Not from her combat prowess, but from the amount of time she spent in her part-time job in the Floor Inspector's Union, dead as a doornail.  ;D

They assumed that she was racking up Frequent Dying Points in the afterlife at record speed...

Ultimate15

...What's everyone's favorite character from Kung Fu Panda? Including the sequel?

I've got a soft spot for the bird. Crane.
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Normally, I would not post something like this, I would like to know what ya'll think. http://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/36l22y/cox_private_servers/
I personally think this claim is rubbish.
One day the Phoenix will rise again.

Kyriani

Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on May 20, 2015, 05:29:51 AM
I personally think this claim is rubbish.

Pretty much. Every so often the rumor mill churns to play with our heartstrings. It's all BS until I see it first hand and not from some old screenshot photoshopped to oblivion or someone thinking they're clever doing screenshots in ICON.

Sinistar

Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on May 20, 2015, 05:29:51 AM
Normally, I would not post something like this, I would like to know what ya'll think. http://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/36l22y/cox_private_servers/
I personally think this claim is rubbish.

CoH Private servers?  Right, and I'm the King of France.   :)
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In Raging COH-less nights
With Strong Hearts Full, we shall UNITE!
When all seems lost in the effort to bring CoH back to life,
Look to Cyberspace, where HOPE burns bright!

Arcana

Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on May 20, 2015, 05:29:51 AMI personally think this claim is rubbish.

It doesn't matter if the claim is true or not, its rubbish either way.  I could claim there were private servers on Pluto, and it wouldn't matter if the claim was true or not.  It would be a dumb thing claim either way, and worthless to anyone to believe.  Suppose it was discovered that NCSoft secretly didn't shut off the production servers and they were humming away in a couple of racks everyone forgot about, but they were not connected to the internet.  In what way does that help anyone?  It doesn't.  They might as well be on Pluto.

Incidentally, there's no such thing as a "rumor" from "a reliable source."  If the source is reliable, its not a rumor.

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