New efforts!

[Abraxus]

Whatever Nexon is going to do, I just wish they would get it done!  It's obvious that there is no stopping whatever it is that they are doing with NCSoft, and with so much in resources tied up with fighting it, the CoH negotiations appear to have been put on the back burner until they settle it.  So, let it be finished already, so this deal for CoH can gain some ground!

[Fanta]

Whatever Nexon is going to do, I just wish they would get it done!  It's obvious that there is no stopping whatever it is that they are doing with NCSoft, and with so much in resources tied up with fighting it, the CoH negotiations appear to have been put on the back burner until they settle it.  So, let it be finished already, so this deal for CoH can gain some ground!

Tune in this time next year for an update!

[Arcana]

Well, even if not every mission actually has an Undine in it, they are responsible for the war with the Klingons, which drives a lot of the lower arcs. Plus, they do appear in at least one or two Romulan missions - as a Starfleet admiral. The main point I'm trying to make is that even if they're not directly in a mission, they still influence events. And since the Undine were manipulated into disrupting the Alpha / Beta powers by the Iconians, by extension the entire game is about the Iconian war.

In a sense, in that the major overarching storyline leads to the war with the Iconians.  But there are elements to the game that are only superficially involved in the Iconian war, in the sense that the war is happening around it but it has nothing to do with it.  The Kobali story for example, isn't about the Iconian war.  The Vaadwaur have a connection to the Iconians, and thus their invasion of Kobali is related to the Iconian war.  But the *internal* story of the Kobali isn't about the Iconian war (at least until an STO writer retcons the Kobali).

Side note: I'm kind of disappointed that the Iconians are bad guys. The episode that introduced them was more about people with advanced technology being wrongly thought of as evil "demons," and to have them turn out to actually be evil is a bit of a downer.

In the first TNG episode where Iconian gateways are discovered, its also discovered that the Iconians have advanced computer technology capable of subtly infecting and taking control of computer systems and destroying them.  That this appears to be a rather common Iconian technology and has limited peaceful purposes doesn't invoke warm and fuzzy feelings about them.

[Codewalker]

In the first TNG episode where Iconian gateways are discovered, its also discovered that the Iconians have advanced computer technology capable of subtly infecting and taking control of computer systems and destroying them.  That this appears to be a rather common Iconian technology and has limited peaceful purposes doesn't invoke warm and fuzzy feelings about them.

I always thought the Iconian program in Contagion was left somewhat ambiguous. It might be hostile, or it might simply be incompatible with the vastly different computer systems in use so many thousands of years later. Systems built on principles similar enough that the program could run, but alien enough that it didn't function correctly.

[Ohioknight]

We're all saying there is a grace period; after which, generally, spoilers don't apply anymore (unless it's part of an ongoing saga where spoiling something in one part spoils everything after that - but when the saga ends, the extended grace period also ends).

Also, someone who *does* think spoilers are a big deal shouldn't be on the internet, to be fair.

I had a friend who as an adult had never seen or read Hamlet, and discussing it with her I made an offhand comment about the final scene with everybody dying.  She looked at me in horror and yelled "Don't tell me how it ENDS!"

I stared at her a moment and said "Spoiler for the Bible -- Jesus rises from the dead!"

[Arcana]

I always thought the Iconian program in Contagion was left somewhat ambiguous. It might be hostile, or it might simply be incompatible with the vastly different computer systems in use so many thousands of years later. Systems built on principles similar enough that the program could run, but alien enough that it didn't function correctly.

You could possibly make that argument if the only thing that happened was that the Enterprise was infected by the Yamato's logs, but Yamato was infected by an active probe and even Data was infected by a similar interaction.  That suggested to me that it was likely this wasn't an attempt at communication nor a mistake of function: the Iconian systems were specifically engineered to hijack other computer systems.  The fact that the Yamato blew up might have been unintentional, but the fact that the Iconian technology tried to take over its systems seems to be unlikely to be anything but intentional. 

Taking over random computer systems without permission and hoping for the best is possibly just an extremely inscrutably alien way of saying hello, but combined with the fact their home planet was destroyed by sustained orbital bombardment suggested to me the two most likely scenarios are that they really were sufficiently villainous (at least relative to their contemporaries) to warrant such a response or they were not but for whatever reason they were sufficiently under threat that their technology reflects an extremely defensive shoot-first-shoot-some-more-maybe-ask-a-question-later posture.

[Felderburg]

No one is saying these hypothetical younglings should see it when it came out. That's stupid, and if you honestly think that's what we're saying, you need to get some reading comprehension classes under your belt. You can see a movie after it comes out, that's the whole point - that's why they make DVDs & digital downloads. We're all saying there is a grace period; after which, generally, spoilers don't apply anymore (unless it's part of an ongoing saga where spoiling something in one part spoils everything after that - but when the saga ends, the extended grace period also ends).

Also, someone who *does* think spoilers are a big deal shouldn't be on the internet, to be fair.

But basing the grace period on a movie's release date effectively forces anyone who wants to see it without risk of spoilers to see it within someone else's nebulously defined grace period that essentially becomes "opening weekend." Even if you allow for that grace period to extend until a movie is finished playing at the cheap theaters, there are going to be people who, for whatever reason, didn't get a chance to see the movie during the grace period. Spoiler notices should be given out of consideration for them.

Que likes Star Wars so he did it as a joke. Can't understand why no one is laughing..

"Que?" indeed! Did you mean Q? http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Q

[FloatingFatMan]

Granted it is about exploration and how everyone on Earth now gets along and skips along merrily with each other, but it is inevitable that some alien races aren't going to like each other or us and thus conflict will arise.
To say that there would no wars at all would make things a bit dull.  Too much war is overkill of course.

Which is exactly what STO is. Too much war and pretty much zero exploration missions.

[Aggelakis]

I had a friend who as an adult had never seen or read Hamlet, and discussing it with her I made an offhand comment about the final scene with everybody dying.  She looked at me in horror and yelled "Don't tell me how it ENDS!"

I stared at her a moment and said "Spoiler for the Bible -- Jesus rises from the dead!"

Wow, that's about 100 times worse than Felder's claim. Shakespeare's been dead hundreds of years. Yeah, that grace period is LONG over. LONG over.

[Aggelakis]

But basing the grace period on a movie's release date effectively forces anyone who wants to see it without risk of spoilers to see it within someone else's nebulously defined grace period that essentially becomes "opening weekend." Even if you allow for that grace period to extend until a movie is finished playing at the cheap theaters, there are going to be people who, for whatever reason, didn't get a chance to see the movie during the grace period. Spoiler notices should be given out of consideration for them.

Meh.


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[FloatingFatMan]

But basing the grace period on a movie's release date effectively forces anyone who wants to see it without risk of spoilers to see it within someone else's nebulously defined grace period that essentially becomes "opening weekend." Even if you allow for that grace period to extend until a movie is finished playing at the cheap theaters, there are going to be people who, for whatever reason, didn't get a chance to see the movie during the grace period. Spoiler notices should be given out of consideration for them.

Sorry, but nope. You're wrong on this one. Spoilers are for NEW things, not old stuff.  If you don't want spoilers, the internet is not the right place for you.

[Arcana]

But basing the grace period on a movie's release date effectively forces anyone who wants to see it without risk of spoilers to see it within someone else's nebulously defined grace period that essentially becomes "opening weekend." Even if you allow for that grace period to extend until a movie is finished playing at the cheap theaters, there are going to be people who, for whatever reason, didn't get a chance to see the movie during the grace period. Spoiler notices should be given out of consideration for them.

Can be.  At some point you have to accept the fact if you can't or won't see something that is a major point of discussion quickly enough, the discussion of it will overtake you.  People will talk at the watercooler without a warning sign posted, internet articles about completely different subjects will reference it, general discussion about the subject will stop tiptoeing around every significant detail, and the extreme minority that desires protection will at some point have to concede the general public won't refrain from open discussion indefinitely.

Spoiler warnings are not a right, they are a special case consideration that has limits.  Those limits are different for each individual, but at some point a critical mass of people in any particular venue will cross that horizon, whereupon it becomes worthless for anyone else to preserve them.  At that point the spoiler wall comes down.

[Sinistar]

Which is exactly what STO is. Too much war and pretty much zero exploration missions.

Yeah.

Last time I logged in was to go to Vulcan, and then Romulus to see the Spock/Nimoy memorials. 
Haven't played much before or since, the game just didn't thrill me.

[Joshex]

City had many elements which were very much exploration elements. click the glowie [set end map or top floor] for one was interesting, talk missions ETC. yeah they could have done more, it's all how you write it.

[Mistress Urd]

I had a friend who as an adult had never seen or read Hamlet, and discussing it with her I made an offhand comment about the final scene with everybody dying.  She looked at me in horror and yelled "Don't tell me how it ENDS!"

I stared at her a moment and said "Spoiler for the Bible -- Jesus rises from the dead!"

This reminded me of the joke, "Don't tell me what happens at the end of Apollo 13". Same thing happened to me with Rush, a co-worker knew I was a fan of F1 and suggested going and seeing it with the "crew". 5 minutes before it started, I said, "I already know what happens"  :P

[darkgob]

Which is exactly what STO is. Too much war and pretty much zero exploration missions.

I'll admit that I was disappointed when they removed the exploration missions from the game, although that was because "no one used them" according to the devs' cover story (they also would have been a good place to farm crafting materials for the then-newly revamped crafting system).

[Blackout]

I had a friend who as an adult had never seen or read Hamlet, and discussing it with her I made an offhand comment about the final scene with everybody dying.  She looked at me in horror and yelled "Don't tell me how it ENDS!"

I stared at her a moment and said "Spoiler for the Bible -- Jesus rises from the dead!"

It was her sled....(trolololol)
Also Hamlet in Rock

[Felderburg]

I'll admit that I was disappointed when they removed the exploration missions from the game, although that was because "no one used them" according to the devs' cover story (they also would have been a good place to farm crafting materials for the then-newly revamped crafting system).

Yeah, but those were also randomly generated stuff that often didn't make much sense. I think they could very well do a good exploration system, rather than leaving it in the hands of the Foundry.

[OzonePrime]

I had a friend who as an adult had never seen or read Hamlet, and discussing it with her I made an offhand comment about the final scene with everybody dying.  She looked at me in horror and yelled "Don't tell me how it ENDS!"

I stared at her a moment and said "Spoiler for the Bible -- Jesus rises from the dead!"

Bigger Spoiler: Shakespeare constant        Comedies - everyone gets married             Dramas- everyone dies

[Ankhammon]

Bigger Spoiler: Shakespeare constant        Comedies - everyone gets married             Dramas- everyone dies

I'm glad Puck finally found someone... but Alpha Flight will not be the same without him...



What do you mean I'm confused?