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[Pyromantic]

I can't speak for Arcana, but when I assumed she said farm to lvl 50 over a weekend without killing herself, I would assume she means the fastest way possible, not just by soling (because of the over the weekend factor) Again, can't speak for her.

I don't have mids on me so I can't tell you exact cost of the SP, SB etc. The difference between /kin and /rad is rad needs to maintain a end threshold to be effective while /kins can go and crash. For a /Kin your end crashes, you loose hot feet, but you still maintain your buffs and still can attack, do the full effect of your dps and move onto the next mob. With /rad you can't crash or you will loose EF, the one factor that makes /rads more powerful than /kins early game. But hey when the game goes live, we can have a contest you make a fire/rad and I make a fire/kin and see who can get to lvl 50 first :P

Well, I took it to mean solo farming rather than just doing a bunch of team content, at which point I suppose you're looking at quite different dynamics.  ;^) Although, if you're teaming the best thing you can do might be to put a Frad super team together.  Actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of those got going very quickly.  Heck, I might want to organize one myself.

SP: 10.4 end
SS: 7.8
Transfusion: 7.8
SB: 7.8

I would posit that if you're letting your end crash on either build then you're "doing it wrong." 

I think a better test is for each individual to try Fire/Rad and Fire/Kin and compare.  I doubt that's what I want to do right away in the game, especially as I'm not likely to be able to play for really extended periods, but I might try it eventually.

[Harpospoke]

Hmm.  I have no particular data to back this up, but I would have thought Fire/Rad would get there faster than Fire/Kin.  While I'm sure the /Kin goes faster after 38, I would think the /Rad has much more potential to leverage farming in the early game and would be faster to 50 overall.  All the more so when you do not have a bankroll and an available supply of IOs as the servers come online.

Well now you made me remember that all-Fire/Rad event thing I joined on Freedom which got that toon to lvl 50 at ridiculous speed.  (FRad?)   Didn't have to farm or anything...we just mowed everything down faster than you could blink.   Insane fun.   That was one of my regular 50s from that point too...so double win.

Hmmm...

The Wiki is a great place to start! Not just for in-game Lore (via contacts), but also the Lore AMA stuff, the Story Bible, and Canon Fodder articles. There is SO MUCH cool stuff!

I thought about that...but part of me wonders if it would be cooler to do it via the game.   ...The other part of me wonders if I won't just go back to playing the way I did before though.   :D

[MM3squints]

Well, I took it to mean solo farming rather than just doing a bunch of team content, at which point I suppose you're looking at quite different dynamics.  ;^) Although, if you're teaming the best thing you can do might be to put a Frad super team together.  Actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of those got going very quickly.  Heck, I might want to organize one myself.

SP: 10.4 end
SS: 7.8
Transfusion: 7.8
SB: 7.8

I would posit that if you're letting your end crash on either build then you're "doing it wrong." 

I think a better test is for each individual to try Fire/Rad and Fire/Kin and compare.  I doubt that's what I want to do right away in the game, especially as I'm not likely to be able to play for really extended periods, but I might try it eventually.

End crashing especially at lower levels is not you are doing it wrong. It all factored in will the dps we worth it me just spamming fire cage vs waiting for hot feets to tick. higher level it makes sense to not let your end crash because you are afforded more options to control your end levels

For this case study we can only play the toons in question (fire/rad fire/kin) on times when both parties are online. We can discuss a exact leveling path (which arcs to solo etc) so there isn't that variable one party go to lvl 50 quicker due to another arc or more hours log on. This conversation actually got me very intrigued about what is presented, Who can farm faster solo content Fire/rad or Fire/kin. :D

[Aggelakis]

I wish I could remember where I had seen it, but someone posted a really nice chart once where they divided the total amount of XP needed to get to the next level, but the amount of XP that defeating an even-con minion of that level rewards.

I kind of think that was before the last round of "XP curve smoothing", so it's probably not accurate anymore, but gave a very good idea of exactly how much effort leveling takes at various times.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Experience
You could make a table with those two data points per level. :)

[Aggelakis]

Not counting the sunk time to learn how to be able to do that. Sure, you could follow a guide, but to really have the knowledge takes a lot of learning, I would assume.

You do realize you're talking to Arcanaville, right? She who hacked the beta server in order for her - a PLAYER, not a dev - to do the giant send-off event at the end of sunset?

[Arcana]

I can't speak for Arcana, but when I assumed she said farm to lvl 50 over a weekend without killing herself, I would assume she means the fastest way possible, not just by soling (because of the over the weekend factor) Again, can't speak for her.

I was thinking solo, because you can do it in a weekend solo.  A very, very long caffeinated weekend.

[MM3squints]

I was thinking solo, because you can do it in a weekend solo.  A very, very long caffeinated weekend.

If you want to kill yourself doing that all solo, I can send you over a case of Red Bull xD

[JanessaVR]

I was thinking solo, because you can do it in a weekend solo.  A very, very long caffeinated weekend.

I'm actually planning the opposite.  I'm working out a zones/contacts/missions path (blueside, goldside, and redside) on a spreadsheet for my characters to take so that they can experience as much content as possible for their faction.  It will naturally entail turning off XP frequently so as to not out-level contacts.  I suspect I will be the last person here to play consistently and reach L50.

[Ankhammon]

I was thinking solo, because you can do it in a weekend solo.  A very, very long caffeinated weekend.

Going to solo farm a Therm/Rad defender to 50 in one weekend? That is one long weekend. :)

[Arcana]

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Experience
You could make a table with those two data points per level. :)

I thought about doing this before many times but never really got around to finishing it, but I decided to do a very quickie analysis of leveling using paragonwiki's XP numbers (whether they are accurate or not, its probably close) plus the numbers I know for player damage and critter health.  I calculated the number of kills to level, then the amount of damage to kill for a modifier=1.0 player, and finally the endurance per damage point, arriving at the amount of endurance per level it takes at base damage and base (with slotted stamina as the estimate point) recovery.  I then calculated the total amount of seconds it would take to recover that much endurance, to come up with a baseline estimate of the amount of time it would take, using endurance as the bottleneck, to level from level 1 to level 50.  Killing nothing but minions, its about 752000 seconds (8.7 days).  For Lts and Bosses it was similar: 551,000 seconds for Lts, 520,000 for bosses (about six days).

That's with no slotting or other help and represents the upper end estimate of actual combat time (minus traveling etc) to level for someone that plays as efficiently as possible.  The low end estimate of actual combat time to level presumes you're always at the damage cap, which depending on archetype is between 4x and a bit more than 6x that damage value.  Factoring in AoEs as well you should be able to at least double the end efficiency of your attacks.  That means it ought to be possible to level from 1 to 50 in about 16 hours.

There are other factors involved, but none of them probably are material relative to the assumption of always being at the damage cap and not stopping combat.  These numbers have large margins for error, but are probably in the general ballpark of realistic estimates of what the very best players can likely accomplish (without using XP related exploits).

[Arcana]

Going to solo farm a Therm/Rad defender to 50 in one weekend? That is one long weekend. :)

Oh Hell No.  I was specifically mentioning a Fire/Kin controller, assuming you could get me to try, and as I said, I've been there and done that already.  I would probably be in no hurry if the game returned.

[blacksly]

I'm actually planning the opposite.  I'm working out a zones/contacts/missions path (blueside, goldside, and redside) on a spreadsheet for my characters to take so that they can experience as much content as possible for their faction.  It will naturally entail turning off XP frequently so as to not out-level contacts.  I suspect I will be the last person here to play consistently and reach L50.

I won't mind missing content with any particular character. Though I may also have to make a similar chart just to make sure that between several characters, I'm hitting all the content at some time.

[JanessaVR]

I won't mind missing content with any particular character. Though I may also have to make a similar chart just to make sure that between several characters, I'm hitting all the content at some time.

Well I've already had 2 people PM me about my spreadsheet-in-progress.  I can put you on the distribution list as well, if you'd like, when I'm finished with it.

[Zombie Hustler]

\It disappointed me that the new movie didn't take the approach from the Starfleet Academy game: (spoilers)

Reprogramming the Klingons so that when he hailed them, they knew of him and because of his immense renown, helped him with the rescue efforts

That's how it happened in the novel, too (I think the game probably got it from there). I liked Scotty's Kobayashi Maru scenario the best, however- he was literally cannibalizing his ship and throwing it at the Klingons. He inevitably lost, of course, but his efforts prompted his trainers to push him out of the Leadership training and into Engineering.  ;D

[Rejolt]

Well I've already had 2 people PM me about my spreadsheet-in-progress.  I can put you on the distribution list as well, if you'd like, when I'm finished with it.

I'd be more worried about content you couldn't do via Outoboros than a spreadsheet.

[Codewalker]

Oh Hell No.  I was specifically mentioning a Fire/Kin controller, assuming you could get me to try, and as I said, I've been there and done that already.  I would probably be in no hurry if the game returned.

If I were going to do Fire/Kin, I'd probably dual box it again. With everything bound and a keyboard cloning program, a pair of them is quite effective (and a hell of a rush to play). No need to wait for Transferrence so much when they can mutually SB and ID each other.

[Arcana]

If I were going to do Fire/Kin, I'd probably dual box it again. With everything bound and a keyboard cloning program, a pair of them is quite effective (and a hell of a rush to play). No need to wait for Transferrence so much when they can mutually SB and ID each other.

I didn't have as much fun dual box farming.  I tried it, its very fast, and its interesting for a while, but not my cup of tea.

I was planning on a multi-box effort when the game shutdown where I would try to "solo" Reichsman by triple-boxing my En/En blaster, a Bots/Sonic Mastermind, and a Stone/Stone granite tanker (needed the sonic to beef up the tanker against Reichsman's stun).  I got close twice, but didn't quite have enough oomph.  I'm pretty sure I would have gotten there on the third try, but the third try never happened.

[Remaugen]

Edited for stupidity:

[Codewalker]

Oh, I wasn't farming with the fire/kins. I was doing story arcs and killing AVs. Even managed to down Jurassik in Crey's Folly. At level 35. With SOs.

Much more fun than farming.

I was planning on a multi-box effort when the game shutdown where I would try to "solo" Reichsman by triple-boxing my En/En blaster, a Bots/Sonic Mastermind, and a Stone/Stone granite tanker (needed the sonic to beef up the tanker against Reichsman's stun).  I got close twice, but didn't quite have enough oomph.  I'm pretty sure I would have gotten there on the third try, but the third try never happened.

I really need to finish my post about the quad box project. It was a bit of a pain to get set up, to work out all the different key bindings and macros and such, but OMG it was probably the most fun I've ever had soloing.

Bots/Time MM (my rerolled Codewalker), Ice/Kin Controller, Cold/Ice Defender, and Stone/Dark Brute. All controlled and played at once, no single power on Auto nonsense. Did a lot of TFs while leveling.

[Remaugen]

So you're running another account on each different box?