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Started by Ironwolf, March 06, 2014, 03:01:32 PM

Arcana

Quote from: JanessaVR on September 19, 2014, 01:01:02 AM
Ah, the "Kirk Approach."  :)

Wouldn't that be to have sex with whichever of the support people is green and get them to level me to 50?

JanessaVR

Quote from: Arcana on September 19, 2014, 01:07:32 AM
Wouldn't that be to have sex with whichever of the support people is green and get them to level me to 50?
Ok, that's the other Kirk Approach!  ;D

Power Gamer

Quote from: Arcana on September 19, 2014, 01:07:32 AM
Wouldn't that be to have sex with whichever of the support people is green and get them to level me to 50?

I like the way you think.

Chancy, bring me that jar of honey, the angora cat and a fork!
It takes a village to raise a child. And it takes a villain to explain the value of lunch money.

-Random CoHer: "Why does the sky turn green during Rikti invasions?"
-Me:"Rikti Monkey farts"
-Random CoHer: "I'm going to you for all my questions from now on!"

Nyx Nought Nothing

Quote from: JanessaVR on September 19, 2014, 01:01:02 AM
Ah, the "Kirk Approach."  :)
But not the usual "bang all the green chicks" Kirk approach. The other one.

Edit: Of course in the time it took to look up the Kobayashi Maru wikipedia entry i was beaten the the punch not once, not twice, but three times.  :P
So far so good. Onward and upward!

Phaetan

Gotta slot Perfect Zinger with the Recharge pieces.

MM3squints

For some reason I'm thinking of buying the 980 GTX just for CoX. Why do I need a 980 GTX to play a 11 year old game? I just needed a justification to make a new computer. Plus hopefully by the time CoX comes out Nvidia would have the 20nm ready :P

Moonlighter

Quote from: Power_Gamer on September 18, 2014, 11:57:31 PM
Yup, I'd join ya!  :o

Look, I already paid for sets, costumes, and years of sub for veteran status in CoH. There is no way I am going to pay for everything twice...

Oh, who am I kidding. If CoH came back with a kickstarter you know I'd throw money at it for the perks, costumes and power sets.

Moonlighter~

Power Gamer

Quote from: Moonlighter on September 19, 2014, 03:31:37 AM
Look, I already paid for sets, costumes, and years of sub for veteran status in CoH. There is no way I am going to pay for everything twice...

Oh, who am I kidding. If CoH came back with a kickstarter you know I'd throw money at it for the perks, costumes and power sets.

Moonlighter~

Good show, I was thinking we would have to start an intervention for you!
It takes a village to raise a child. And it takes a villain to explain the value of lunch money.

-Random CoHer: "Why does the sky turn green during Rikti invasions?"
-Me:"Rikti Monkey farts"
-Random CoHer: "I'm going to you for all my questions from now on!"

FloatingFatMan

Quote from: Arcana on September 18, 2014, 09:34:33 PM
I might have taken just a little too much enjoyment out of pulling the wings off of those guys.

Nah, there's no such thing as enjoying doing that TOO much! :p

FloatingFatMan

Quote from: Phaetan on September 18, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
To be fair, they could easily be mistaken for procedurally-generated maps if you only gave a very cursory inspection to the matter.  Having worked on the Maps Popmenu for Icon, on the other hand, I can't forget the joy of slogging through the myriad of slightly different maps.  The map designers had my sympathies, as it had to be a...dare I say it...grind to create.

Anyone that had actually played the game for more than 10 minutes, knew full well they weren't procedurally generated. Far too much repetition for that.

Six

Quote from: Codewalker on September 18, 2014, 04:32:51 AM
As for new names, if there's only one shard, my vote is for "Paragon".

I agree completely.  :)

Six

Quote from: Phaetan on September 19, 2014, 01:18:42 AM
Gotta slot Perfect Zinger with the Recharge pieces.

Man, I loved Perfect Zinger.  Awesome bonuses, chance for psi damage, and because it was a Taunt set it was always dirt cheap.  Few things in CoH were more satisfying than taking out a MoG'd Paragon Protector with the psi damage from your taunt...

Harpospoke

1-LOL at several people thinking of the same Capt Kirk joke at the same time. 

2-The last several pages are making me want to actually the story in CoH a shot if we get it back.  I never got into it before.

Quote from: KennonGL on September 16, 2014, 01:06:01 PM
See there's one of the great things that CoH hit on.  When my toons hit 50 (with a couple of exceptions), they permanently retired [ie I deleted them].  Sometimes they would be reincarnated as a slightly different powerset and join the 10 or so other alternates that were always in various stages of leveling. 
*shudder*   That makes my heart hurt.   I was one of those weird people that actually placed each lvl 50 in a particular place in the game at shutdown and think they are still there.  Somehow they were real to me.    Deleting a lvl 50....augh!..I could never do it.

Quote from: Arcana on September 16, 2014, 06:45:16 PMI believe it took approximately 500 hours of game sessions (not all of it in sustained combat) for the average player to level a character to 50, plus or minus.  For many casual players, that represented more than a year of continuous gameplay.
Interesting.   I guess I wasn't as slow as I thought.   16 lvl 50s in 7-8 years...not so bad!   8)

Quote from: Arcana on September 17, 2014, 02:36:09 AM
One more statistics-skewing (related) issue was badge hunting.  I ran a lot of iTrials that were explicitly intended to hunt badges, without regard to any other rewards.  I know a lot of players that helped out in those trials for no other reason but to help out other players.  They had enough incarnate rewards to choke Jurassik to death and had better content options to run, but they enjoyed helping other players acquire those specific rewards.  On Triumph, badge runs might have been more than 10% of all iTrials ever run (I wrote a definitive Obliteration guide based on the work we did to first snag that badge on Triumph).  If I was doing something else and someone asked if I wanted in on an iTrial, sometimes I did and sometimes I didn't.  But if someone specifically asked me to help them on an iTrial badge run, I would almost invariably drop what I was doing (if solo) to do so.
Very very cool.   And you weren't the only one.  There were a ton of players who would do things like that.  We really had a great player base.  (And I was on Freedom)   Just mention in a chat channel that you were seeking a certain badge and someone would offer to help.

Quote from: Arcana on September 17, 2014, 07:33:50 PM
If anything, I would have asked you to turn on all your PB shields and told those morons who kept getting lost in the Underground trial to follow the bright white glow.
I'm a bit terrified to be that "moron" who doesn't quite know what to do, doesn't contribute, and holds up the team.  I would be ok after I'd done a TF/trial, but that first time it always seemed like I was the only person there who didn't have it memorized.   Some teams moved really fast too and that feeling of "I'm lost" was overwhelming at times.

Quote from: ukaserex on September 18, 2014, 01:46:42 PM
It's totally unreasonable for me to think that others should play the way I would. But, that didn't stop me from wishing they would bring a level 35 or higher character to an MSR.
I'm definitely a "play anyway you want" type of person, but it probably would bug me if a person didn't even bother to train a lvl 1 for weeks on end as well.

Quote from: Arcana on September 18, 2014, 10:20:27 PM
Sleepy - this would be the server for players that always seem to be logging in at off times when no one else was on, like Australians and insomniacs
Bashful - soloers, obviously.
Dopey - New players, players who can only chat in leet-speak, and tankers allergic to status protection toggles.
Doc - the "everyone must have a heal, even blasters" server.
Grumpy - the open PvP everywhere, but with post I13 PvP rules server
Sneezy - the always AFK because sick/bathroom-break/walk-dog/mailman/telephone/time-to-take-medication-to-stop-voices-in-head server
Happy - the I love iTrials/Dr Quaterfield/Hamidon/MSR/TinMage/Empath/Master Badge/SSA/WSF/Hammers-to-the-face/BeingVengeanceDoll server.
*like*
Quote from: Arcana on September 18, 2014, 10:28:04 PM
Plan B would be to see if the Architect was functioning, and go Claws/Fire Brute.  That'll get you there in a day.

Plan C would be to go Fire/Kin controller, and farm to 50.  That will take a weekend, assuming I don't shoot myself first.
As a Controller addict, that should be my plan.   That combo was one of my few 50s so it would be the perfect first step.

Pyromantic

Quote from: Harpospoke on September 19, 2014, 03:01:28 PM
As a Controller addict, that should be my plan.   That combo was one of my few 50s so it would be the perfect first step.

Hmm.  I have no particular data to back this up, but I would have thought Fire/Rad would get there faster than Fire/Kin.  While I'm sure the /Kin goes faster after 38, I would think the /Rad has much more potential to leverage farming in the early game and would be faster to 50 overall.  All the more so when you do not have a bankroll and an available supply of IOs as the servers come online.

MM3squints

Quote from: Pyromantic on September 19, 2014, 03:31:14 PM
Hmm.  I have no particular data to back this up, but I would have thought Fire/Rad would get there faster than Fire/Kin.  While I'm sure the /Kin goes faster after 38, I would think the /Rad has much more potential to leverage farming in the early game and would be faster to 50 overall.  All the more so when you do not have a bankroll and an available supply of IOs as the servers come online.

Nope, even without IOs fire/kins will out farm fire/rad even before fullcrum shift. Rad potential to farm is based on AM (I don't have mids on me atm but the +speed, +rech, +dmg can't keep up with kin buffs) and EF which gave out -res, but will eventually crash in end and you need to wait. /Kin has siphon power a stackable +dmg power, sb that gives insane +speed, +rech and because kins have transference, they will never slow down from spamming powers due to low end.

Pyromantic

Quote from: MM3squints on September 19, 2014, 03:43:07 PM
Nope, even without IOs fire/kins will out farm fire/rad even before fullcrum shift. Rad potential to farm is based on AM (I don't have mids on me atm but the +speed, +rech, +dmg can't keep up with kin buffs) and EF which gave out -res, but will eventually crash in end and you need to wait. /Kin has siphon power a stackable +dmg power, sb that gives insane +speed, +rech and because kins have transference, they will never slow down from spamming powers due to low end.

Still have to wait till 35 for transference.  I'm pretty sure you can get RI, EF and HF all quite sustainable with some DOs; no crashes necessary.  Certainly not a problem after SOs.  And /Rad will definitely be safer for quite some time, allowing you to crank the number of opponents up higher from an early level.  I'd be quite surprised if Fire/Rad wasn't faster to 38 than Fire/Kin.  Trying to remember how far 38 actually is on the way to 50; IIRC for a typical character 38 is about halfway in terms of time played.

Has anyone ever tried doing this?  The same player, without any outside resources, solo farming Fire/Kin and Fire/Rad to 50?  I actually doubt there's much in it overall.  Might depend on the player, and which build suits him or her better.


MM3squints

Quote from: Pyromantic on September 19, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Still have to wait till 35 for transference.  I'm pretty sure you can get RI, EF and HF all quite sustainable with some DOs; no crashes necessary.  Certainly not a problem after SOs.  And /Rad will definitely be safer for quite some time, allowing you to crank the number of opponents up higher from an early level.  I'd be quite surprised if Fire/Rad wasn't faster to 38 than Fire/Kin.  Trying to remember how far 38 actually is on the way to 50; IIRC for a typical character 38 is about halfway in terms of time played.

Has anyone ever tried doing this?  The same player, without any outside resources, solo farming Fire/Kin and Fire/Rad to 50?  I actually doubt there's much in it overall.  Might depend on the player, and which build suits him or her better.

I did try this. Lower level (meaning pre 35) rad dose out pace /kin because you do have your tools (EF, AM) RI really is a waste (sure it gives -acc,-def, but your anchor usually dies when farming and that time can be better spend casting a dps power instead of recasting another anchor. This goes the same for EF too. The -res anchor is nice, but you need to constantly recast it instead of using a dps power) What is HF? but once you get to lvl 35, its a game changer. Once you hit lvl 38, it's no contest. In the grand scheme of things Rad may be "Safer" because it has the debuffs, but /kin is faster just from the sheer amount of damage buffs, that you don't have to waste time reaplying anchors, instant end when you need it, and a fullcrum shifted Fireball+contaiment

Power Gamer

Quote from: FloatingFatMan on September 19, 2014, 04:59:55 AM
Anyone that had actually played the game for more than 10 minutes, knew full well they weren't procedurally generated. Far too much repetition for that.

Procedurally generated maps...that would have been challenging. :)
It takes a village to raise a child. And it takes a villain to explain the value of lunch money.

-Random CoHer: "Why does the sky turn green during Rikti invasions?"
-Me:"Rikti Monkey farts"
-Random CoHer: "I'm going to you for all my questions from now on!"

Pyromantic

Quote from: MM3squints on September 19, 2014, 04:27:20 PM
I did try this. Lower level (meaning pre 35) rad dose out pace /kin because you do have your tools (EF, AM) RI really is a waste (sure it gives -acc,-def, but your anchor usually dies when farming and that time can be better spend casting a dps power instead of recasting another anchor. This goes the same for EF too. The -res anchor is nice, but you need to constantly recast it instead of using a dps power) What is HF? but once you get to lvl 35, its a game changer. Once you hit lvl 38, it's no contest. In the grand scheme of things Rad may be "Safer" because it has the debuffs, but /kin is faster just from the sheer amount of damage buffs, that you don't have to waste time reaplying anchors, instant end when you need it, and a fullcrum shifted Fireball+contaiment

HF= Hot Feet.

I don't know why you need to reapply your anchors more than once a fight.  They should be placed on a Lt that will be one of the last to go down.  Solo farming that is relatively easy to control.

MM3squints

Quote from: Pyromantic on September 19, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
HF= Hot Feet.

I don't know why you need to reapply your anchors more than once a fight.  They should be placed on a Lt that will be one of the last to go down.  Solo farming that is relatively easy to control.

Sorry was just thinking about /rad and /kins powers so I was like what is HF from those set xD. Anchors should be placed on  the highest level, but you can't always control your monkeies behavior and they can take down the anchor.