New efforts!

[LaughingAlex]

KB was annoying, when improperly used. But hey get over it.

All power sets have strengths and weaknesses. Just learn to adapt.

If you don't want to play with peeps that use their powers in a way you don't like, then avoid PUGs at all costs. Only team with peeps you know. It's that simple.

That being said, there was a tendency to kill the controllers 'anchor', negate the tankers aggro, use KB at the least opportune moment and so on.

Hopefully when we get the game back peeps will take the time to master their powersets and minimize errors. The game is much more than mashing buttons as quickly as possible, or grabbing the glory for yourself.  :)

I agree with that there :).  The second part especially.  I plan to form my own teams when we get the game back, hopefully.  But i won't tollerate extreme kb phobia in them.  If ones bothered by even so much as one guy getting knocked at all time, or even just bothered by the mere presense of energy blast, guess what?  If your teaming with me and i'm the team leader, don't be surprised if I'm using energy blast, cause thats one of my favorite blast sets.  And if your being bothered just purely due to my having a set that causes knockback, expect a kick and a one star.

So to have some fun with

Knockback phobe: A player who has an extreme lack of tolerance of knockback, often such that they become extremely annoying.  Always tends to become highly irrational around anyone using knockback like some certain people in real life become highly irrational and/or stupid around some people of different sexual preferences.  Will always blame everything on knockback even if the problems have nothing to do with it, including;

Doing poor damage even if they are nuking one lone guy.

Not fulcrum shifting the team on that fire/kin controller(while rushing ahead of EVERYONE and not speed boosting anyone either).

Any disfunction in the team when they were not only the first to say anything about it(always will be since they are knockback phobic), but also because they are extremely vocal.

Other examples can be made on the fly, remember it doesn't necessarily have to involve knockback, even.

Signs of a knockback phobic include:

Extreme behavior around knockback, including trolling and resorting to insults.
Claiming becoming sick around knockback when it's not even a graphical effect.
Making up excuses as to why their not inviting that blaster you know is very good with knockback.
Getting mad at any drop in exp per second even if it's only a fraction of a %.
Obsessing and using external programs to monitor exp per second so they can do the above(yes, I saw that being done).
Generally being a stop having fun guy(the two went hand in hand in this game, almost).
Calling anyone and everyone who has energy blast a noob.  Calling everyone who uses storm summoning a noob who should be killed for merely having it even if that person is a god with storm summoning and regularly packs mobs closer together.

For a person to have knockback phobia they must have at least three of these symptoms.

If you or a loved one has knockback phobia, please report to the nearest paragon city clinic for sterilization er, treatment.

[LaughingAlex]

And before anyone asks, yes, I met a few people who literally exploded when one(and only one guy) guy was knocked from the group he was AoEing.  Just a minion or lieutenant that was almost dead to.

[ivanhedgehog]

Don't expect me to bother inviting you in any of my teams then if your going full blown knockback phobia on me.

Edit: Thing is that motion sickness I bet isn't even real motion sickness, just intollerance at the mere presence of knockback(in other words, you get mad just seeing it no matter what).  I'd seen it before many, many times, even when i'm not knocking aggressively at all(energy blast the ST attacks were often more damaging overall, and if I did knock something it was into walls, or the team had enough damage the knockback didn't matter because I was fulcrum shifting everything in sight).  Just one guy getting knocked and boom, they start complaining.

Another Edit: I get just as bothered by the blaster who thinks the world centers around him.

a knockback toon that thinks it is his right to scatter enemies to the 4 winds is a detriment to the team. he disrupts everyone else and claims you have an imaginary affliction "knockback phobia"  the best action is to kick them and get someone who will contribute to the team.

[LaughingAlex]

a knockback toon that thinks it is his right to scatter enemies to the 4 winds is a detriment to the team. he disrupts everyone else and claims you have an imaginary affliction "knockback phobia"  the best action is to kick them and get someone who will contribute to the team.

To the four winds is one thing, but one guy knocked out of the pack is another thing entirely.  Knockback phobics also claim everything scatters to the 4 winds even when thats not happening at all, clearly isn't happening at all in the team, and they are just being irrational and exagerating not to mention in a competent team things will be dying lightning fast anyways such that even in a four winds scatter it's still only losing like 1-2% exp/second compared to a no-knockback team.

Edit: Removed the last sentence as that post was a reply to another post of mine.

[Remaugen]

My son wished to share his feelings on the topic:
http://youtu.be/jab39sDs8A0

That rocked!

I like

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Are we there yet?   ;D

[Waffles]

On the topic of knockback, it's a shame they never made an ability that knocked all effected targets in an area towards the center on the ability (Like a singularity of sorts. Not the Grav pet.)

a knockback toon that thinks it is his right to scatter enemies to the 4 winds is a detriment to the team. he disrupts everyone else and claims you have an imaginary affliction "knockback phobia"  the best action is to kick them and get someone who will contribute to the team.

Funny, I kicked childish people who whined about knockback on a regular basis, "Contribute to the team" Oh yes, what a detriment it is to have to walk forward a little more than usual because our blaster has a power set BUILT AROUND KNOCKBACK.

Oh the humanity.

[LaughingAlex]

On the topic of knockback, it's a shame they never made an ability that knocked all effected targets in an area towards the center on the ability (Like a singularity of sorts. Not the Grav pet.)

That'd have been a cool idea.  Though i'm sure some players would still get mad at that cause it is knockback still.  There is wormhole, but the phobics would get mad at wormhole, even, purely cause it caused knockback even when it was being expertly used to send enemies into corners and whatnot.(yes, met people who got mad at perfectly aimed wormholed enemies).

[Power Gamer]

That rocked!

I like

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Are we there yet?   ;D

You, sir, are awesome!

[Brightfires]

Heh.
As someone who had two energy blaster and a trio of Peacebringers, I just learned how to use them in ways my team wouldn't consider obnoxious.

Easiest thing? Take hover and hit the mob from directly over-head, turning your KB into KD. Everyone loves KD.  8)

[Taceus Jiwede]

The eternal knockback conflict!  I occasionally ran into some people who REALLY hated Knockback, and they were allowed to kick me when ever they felt it necessary.  But the few times people have freaked out about KB or the "No NUKES!" people.  My answer was always the same "It's okay, I am just knocking back corpses" and it was true.  I could almost always 1 hit minions.  If not then it just took the AoE damage of energy torrent which I would only use on a near death group of baddies or runners.  Liets took 3 maybe 4 hits tops. (Powerburst was a hell of a power)  and then bosses took a few more.  But even if I did get the aggro of boss, good. Means I am doing a lot of DPS and most level 50 well built blasters can EASILY stand toe to toe with a a whole group of baddies, let alone a single boss.

[LaughingAlex]

Heh.
As someone who had two energy blaster and a trio of Peacebringers, I just learned how to use them in ways my team wouldn't consider obnoxious.

Easiest thing? Take hover and hit the mob from directly over-head, turning your KB into KD. Everyone loves KD.  8)

Oh I often did that to, though I usually used super speed some characters did have flight.  What I usually used to deal with knockback phobia was to to also have powersets in conjunction with energy blast that were to good to pass up.  If they were still phobic then, I wouldn't deal with them.  I also very, very, very rarely scattered enemies, if at all.  If I did knock something I killed it, and had no trouble with that.  Understand I was usually very smart with my kb, it's just once in a while someone would complain even when I was doing everything right.

Most knockback being bad stories are either very rare examples or exagerations imo.

[LaughingAlex]

The eternal knockback conflict!  I occasionally ran into some people who REALLY hated Knockback, and they were allowed to kick me when ever they felt it necessary.  But the few times people have freaked out about KB or the "No NUKES!" people.  My answer was always the same "It's okay, I am just knocking back corpses" and it was true.  I could almost always 1 hit minions.  If not then it just took the AoE damage of energy torrent which I would only use on a near death group of baddies or runners.  Liets took 3 maybe 4 hits tops. (Powerburst was a hell of a power)  and then bosses took a few more.  But even if I did get the aggro of boss, good. Means I am doing a lot of DPS and most level 50 well built blasters can EASILY stand toe to toe with a a whole group of baddies, let alone a single boss.

Thats exactly what happened with me alot.  If I nova'd a group on my kin/energy defender, every minion and lieutenant died in that one shot anyways and I always had enough defenses up or tricks up my sleeve to deal with the bosses.  Defense inspirations and blues helped keep my end high.  Issue 24 would have removed the need for a blue to get my endurance back with a transference.  It's just some players seem to think that they were the center of the world, and they were the only ones worthwhile in the team, it's that attitude that breeds true kb phobia.  And it's always because they are obsessed with their own impact on things that they get mad if anything happens that things don't go 100% to plan to them, even if things are still going ultra fast for the rest of the team.

[MWRuger]

The thing is, there isn't one right way to play this game and the only wrong way to play is to tell everyone else how to play.

I didn't have a problem with knockback, but I could see how someone could. To me, it is an iconic superhero effect and a game without it isn't much of a comic book game.

Want to Min/Max? Well Done!

Want a Holy Trinity? Cheers!

Must have force multipliers? Excellent!

Tank Centric? Play on!

Want an all specific AT/powerset team? Awesome?

Want to casually do a TF, joke around, tell stories? Please invite me. i love this kind of pug.

I have a very simple rule. Have fun. I'll follow your rules and lead as long as that is the case. If I find your direction overbearing, pedantic or officious I will suddenly "remember" a sweater that needs hanging or an egg I forgot to boil.

If you hate the way I play anything, well, do whatever you like. I like to solo, I like to team so I lose nothing either way. I certainly don't want to be the cause of someone's ill temper or ruin someone's fun, so kick away or one star or whatever method you choose to remind yourself not to team with me.

I will play as I please. If we can team, fine. If we can't, also fine.

[Ankhammon]

As someone who kept playing defenders I find all the kb discussion quite amusing.

Sounds like fenders weren't the only ones who had to justify their existence just to get on a pug.

Team Leader: Oh... we were looking for someone to heal.

Me: Well, as a Sonic/Sonic defender I make tanks and blasters out of the whole team.

Team Leader: Huh?

Me: I offer over 56% resist to everything but Psi. I can debuff 50% -res for aoe and go to 120-140% -res on an AV or other hard target. Not to mention other debuffs and controls I offer...

Team Leader: Maybe... OK, no healers are around right now.


Me internally: Whattaschmuck! Time to teach the real n00bs of the game.

At one point I started counting a percentage of all damage done by the team as mine and using that in the discussion. :)

[LaughingAlex]

As someone who kept playing defenders I find all the kb discussion quite amusing.

Sounds like fenders weren't the only ones who had to justify their existence just to get on a pug.

Team Leader: Oh... we were looking for someone to heal.

Me: Well, as a Sonic/Sonic defender I make tanks and blasters out of the whole team.

Team Leader: Huh?
Me: I offer over 56% resist to everything but Psi. I can debuff 50% -res for aoe and go to 120-140% -res on an AV or other hard target. Not to mention other debuffs and controls I offer...

Team Leader: Maybe... OK, no healers are around right now.


Me internally: Whattaschmuck! Time to teach the real n00bs of the game.

Just about anyone playing support who was not a pure healer who was using his buffs/debuffs/attacks/control had to justify themselves at times.  I cannot count how may times I said "I buff the team to max defenses, debuff enemy defenses and resistances, cripple their attack speeds, keep them from attacking with holds and stuns, do I need to go on?".

[LaughingAlex]

The thing is, there isn't one right way to play this game and the only wrong way to play is to tell everyone else how to play.

I didn't have a problem with knockback, but I could see how someone could. To me, it is an iconic superhero effect and a game without it isn't much of a comic book game.

Want to Min/Max? Well Done!

Want a Holy Trinity? Cheers!

Must have force multipliers? Excellent!

Tank Centric? Play on!

Want an all specific AT/powerset team? Awesome?

Want to casually do a TF, joke around, tell stories? Please invite me. i love this kind of pug.

I have a very simple rule. Have fun. I'll follow your rules and lead as long as that is the case. If I find your direction overbearing, pedantic or officious I will suddenly "remember" a sweater that needs hanging or an egg I forgot to boil.

If you hate the way I play anything, well, do whatever you like. I like to solo, I like to team so I lose nothing either way. I certainly don't want to be the cause of someone's ill temper or ruin someone's fun, so kick away or one star or whatever method you choose to remind yourself not to team with me.

I will play as I please. If we can team, fine. If we can't, also fine.

I will say this about my AE arch, if you attempt to use the holy trinity, you will get utterly crushed for it repeatedly.  You may get past the first missions if your lucky but after the first few every mission the mobs have force multipliers that are deliberately made to crush any team who has little to no buffs and only concentrates on mitigating damage on the tanker(which is what a holy trinity team is, when empaths don't use buffs and tankers have the only means to survive any attacks).  They also all had ambushes and enemy mobs also had very deadly crowd control that was very good at utterly destroying players who had no initiative, which the holy trinity always lacks.  In other words; don't play my archs without knowing what your doing, if you don't you'll find my mobs put even malta operatives to shame.

If only the game lasted longer before the shutdown I'd have finally finished it.

[Goddangit]

And before anyone asks, yes, I met a few people who literally exploded when one(and only one guy) guy was knocked from the group he was AoEing.  Just a minion or lieutenant that was almost dead to.

This is why I stopped teaming my blaster and soloed to 50.  I was on a team where the obsession was to herd them all into a tight group and then use area effect attacks.  I was picking off one target with a sniper attack and getting chewed out for it.  I was cleaning up my targets.  But that wasn't good enough.  After the second time of being told to stop causing knockback I simply announced, "All my attacks have knockback.  I guess I better leave." and quit the team.

If I don't fit the way you want to play, fine.  I'm happy soloing.  But don't try to tell me there is only one true way to play.  God save me from "experts" who know "the most efficient way" to play.  I'm here to have FUN and really don't care if you think I'm inefficient or not.

[LaughingAlex]

This is why I stopped teaming my blaster and soloed to 50.  I was on a team where the obsession was to herd them all into a tight group and then use area effect attacks.  I was picking off one target with a sniper attack and getting chewed out for it.  I was cleaning up my targets.  But that wasn't good enough.  After the second time of being told to stop causing knockback I simply announced, "All my attacks have knockback.  I guess I better leave." and quit the team.

If I don't fit the way you want to play, fine.  I'm happy soloing.  But don't try to tell me there is only one true way to play.  God save me from "experts" who know "the most efficient way" to play.  I'm here to have FUN and really don't care if you think I'm inefficient or not.

No kidding right?  Disregarding the post above(where tbh, i'm just punishing really bad players, good players could be any of the missions as long as they were smart about things), I agree any tactic should be usable.  In fact the only thing that truely mattered in city of heroes was always taking the initiative.

TBH, I only consider a team a holy trinity if they litterally aren't using any buffs/debuffs at all, with the only support being attackless empaths that rely entirely on the tanker.  Such teams were usually a result of most players in them just not using most of their powers in general and then giving up the initiative all the time.  Almost every strategy in the game that wasn't a trinity strategy always had some initiative.

[Winter Fable]

a knockback toon that thinks it is his right to scatter enemies to the 4 winds is a detriment to the team. he disrupts everyone else and claims you have an imaginary affliction "knockback phobia"  the best action is to kick them and get someone who will contribute to the team.

I understand we all have different play styles but when kicking people or being mean in general is something "we all"
have to be more aware of.People when they have a negative experience they are very vocal and we may need every bit of "hey that's a really great game","I had fun they are really nice",nothing like wow".I know its hard to do sometimes but to help the game we have to try.

[Last Known Hero]

On the topic of knockback, it's a shame they never made an ability that knocked all effected targets in an area towards the center on the ability (Like a singularity of sorts. Not the Grav pet.)

Funny, I kicked childish people who whined about knockback on a regular basis, "Contribute to the team" Oh yes, what a detriment it is to have to walk forward a little more than usual because our blaster has a power set BUILT AROUND KNOCKBACK.

Oh the humanity.

I had been interested in this as a gravity power actually. When you think about the gameplay of CoH and how it was to tank, or take on large # of mobs there is a lot of collision issues. If there was an entity that forced enemies to a middle point any character (tank in this example) will be pushed around, and experience screen jitter. This happened a lot when handling those MASSIVE groups of baddies that came out of some AE 'farms' and your character would be pushed around and your screen would shake in an unattractive way.