New efforts!

[NegativeIQ]

I'm actually looking forward to the opportunity to start with a clean slate.  I started off playing Blasters, but over 4 and a half years, my playstyle evolved considerably, and by the end I was playing Controllers exclusively.  I've kept up with Mids, and, coupled with my game experience and much time to think since then, I have a new alpha character planned, based on the powerset combination that I had found to be best fit for me after years of play.

So, all in all, a chance to move away from my old Fire/Devices Blaster badger/alpha and on to a new Illusion/Time Controller is something I looking forward to (assuming the deal goes through).  I love to stealth missions, and my preferred team role is to be able to lock down or confuse every enemy in sight, and this is the best combination I've found to do that - it's loaded with holds and slows and boasts the best stealth in the game.  This powerset combo also gives me an opportunity to plan a character background based on in-game lore - she'll be a Praetorian and a member of the Carnival of Light.

I too am looking forward to a clean slate. I had 5 lvl 50s and they were all melee characters and if CoH returns I'd like to try more towards defenders and controllers.

[Perspective]

I would absolutely play whether I get my old account (or names) back or not.  I would miss the veteran rewards, and the pre-order rewards, and all the stuff I had for sure...but at the same time starting over can be nice too, and maybe more inviting for new people to come and try out the game.  A fresh start means anyone who tries it out wont feel like they're years out of date, too broke to afford IOs because of the inf people have stored from the "before times", or missing out on little bonus pets/powers that they'll most likely never get the chance to have. 

That said, any take "Perspective" and I'll cut you.  :P

[ivanhedgehog]

Yeah....you do know energy melee was far outdamaging other sets right?  Not to mention how many stalkers abused that.....energy transfer needed the nerf :/.

Also the peacebringer suggestion, screams knockbackphobia to me.  Frankly I generally avoided teaming with knockback phobes since they were always the types who weren't fun to team with since they were total stop having fun guys.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHavingFunGuys

they nerfed it to satisfy pvp but never did anything to really fix the set to work properly. as for KB. My first 50 was an energy/fire blaster. I know how kb can be worked to mesh with a team. but the people that wouldnt make an attempt to use kb in a team friendly way, got 1 warning. after that if they were not making an attempt, they got removed from the team. PB were great additions to a team, just like storm controllers. there were any number of people more than willing to show you the neat tricks that would make them not only acceptable, but very useful for a team. There were always some that would not listen and were destined to a life of soloing.

I would love to see them open up the loyalty rewards across the board and unlock the costumes they gave out at meet and greets, that sort of thing..a "thank you for coming back' and keeping the faith.

[Captain Electric]

I'm actually looking forward to the opportunity to start with a clean slate.  I started off playing Blasters, but over 4 and a half years, my playstyle evolved considerably, and by the end I was playing Controllers exclusively.  I've kept up with Mids, and, coupled with my game experience and much time to think since then, I have a new alpha character planned, based on the powerset combination that I had found to be best fit for me after years of play.

So, all in all, a chance to move away from my old Fire/Devices Blaster badger/alpha and on to a new Illusion/Time Controller is something I looking forward to (assuming the deal goes through).  I love to stealth missions, and my preferred team role is to be able to lock down or confuse every enemy in sight, and this is the best combination I've found to do that - it's loaded with holds and slows and boasts the best stealth in the game.  This powerset combo also gives me an opportunity to plan a character background based on in-game lore - she'll be a Praetorian and a member of the Carnival of Light.

I too am looking forward to a clean slate. I had 5 lvl 50s and they were all melee characters and if CoH returns I'd like to try more towards defenders and controllers.

On the opposite side of this scale, I'll clarify further why the idea of a clean slate is kind of depressing for others. But keep in mind, not liking the idea of something and not being grateful for the return of the game aren't mutually exclusive things.

See, I don't have anything to regret. My form of altitis was less extreme than most. But my process for creating a character was, from other peoples accounts, more extreme. I didn't just roll up characters. I started at the beginning, with their life and the circumstances that led to their origin as a hero or villain. This may have involved taking out a notepad or sketchpad, bouncing ideas off a friend, watching gameplay for certain powers on YouTube, lots of daydreaming, whatever. With my characters I sought to carve out my own diverse comic book roster in a corner of the game universe. So there was a bit of an editorial board style process going on in my head. A lot of ideas got scrapped or changed before going straight into the character creator.

But the other side of that was, I never, ever felt the need to delete a character. Not even once. Maybe I got lucky, but I never put a character into the game that I later found boring. Sure, I enjoyed some more than most. But even some of the less powerful or efficient ones had other qualities that engaged me. Their themes or personas or whatever. I didn't want to delete personas who felt more substantial to me, who I had some investment in even before entering the tutorial. For me that would have been like Marvel simply deleting Spider-Man or Wolverine simply because some of the writers or artists got bored one day.

Many of us don't need or want a clean slate. We might not have a choice in the matter. I'm sure we'll take whatever they give us, of course. But since we're making small talk about it, it may help some of you to realize why, for some of us, we feel the way that we do. This is all about different views and preferences. Many of you kept logging into City of Heroes for the gameplay, and names and costumes didn't so much matter. But for many others, our characters and their amazing, fictional lives and friends were the reason we kept coming back. Saying to us, "Oh, you can just start over!"--while true and I suspect will be accurate--may come from a luxury that you have not to appreciate what that will mean for us.

[Des_Tructive]

Can't we wait with telling the Devs how to run the game when they've got it in their hands?

After that, we can still tell em what to do and why they suck ;)

[Harq]

Know what I think would be neat?  And if this was brought up before I apologize for taking someone else's idea cause I'm sure someone would have thought of this.  I may even had inspiration from reading this thread I don't know.

When City of Heroes goes back online, the optional tutorial should be there regardless your alliance.  The tutorial can be about the return of the game.  Say start at Ouroborus which is in shambles, meet a mender (doesn't matter who but must be only one) and have a quick level mission where you save the city (meaning the game) from total destruction.  Something simple like getting a specific artifact that's guarded and take it to one of the staple heroes like Statesman to finish it off.  Cue the cool cut scene.  Special thanks from the mender and get sent to your starting point like Atlas Plaza and then start the game.

If this has been talked about and overdone or this idea is not original my apologies again, not stealing anyone's thunder (or cool names) but if no one thought of this and you think this is brilliant feel free to feed my ego.   8)

I just want the name issue and what I paid for complaints to move on to new topic.  Negativity is harshing this Canadians buzz!

[Captain Electric]

I don't see anybody here being negative. Go back about ten pages if you want that. ;)

No, saying "I hope my characters are still there!" is no more negative than saying, "I hope they're not!" I think it's just a bunch of small talk at this point, and that's fine.

[NegativeIQ]

On the opposite side of this scale, I'll clarify further why the idea of a clean slate is kind of depressing for others. But keep in mind, not liking the idea of something and not being grateful for the return of the game aren't mutually exclusive things.

See, I don't have anything to regret. My form of altitis was less extreme than most. But my process for creating a character was, from other peoples accounts, more extreme. I didn't just roll up characters. I started at the beginning, with their life and the circumstances that led to their origin as a hero or villain. This may have involved taking out a notepad or sketchpad, bouncing ideas off a friend, watching gameplay for certain powers on YouTube, lots of daydreaming, whatever. With my characters I sought to carve out my own diverse comic book roster in a corner of the game universe. So there was a bit of an editorial board style process going on in my head. A lot of ideas got scrapped or changed before going straight into the character creator.

But the other side of that was, I never, ever felt the need to delete a character. Not even once. Maybe I got lucky, but I never put a character into the game that I later found boring. Sure, I enjoyed some more than most. But even some of the less powerful or efficient ones had other qualities that engaged me. Their themes or personas or whatever. I didn't want to delete personas who felt more substantial to me, who I had some investment in even before entering the tutorial. For me that would have been like Marvel simply deleting Spider-Man or Wolverine simply because some of the writers or artists got bored one day.

Many of us don't need or want a clean slate. We might not have a choice in the matter. I'm sure we'll take whatever they give us, of course. But since we're making small talk about it, it may help some of you to realize why, for some of us, we feel the way that we do. This is all about different views and preferences. Many of you kept logging into City of Heroes for the gameplay, and names and costumes didn't so much matter. But for many others, our characters and their amazing, fictional lives and friends were the reason we kept coming back. Saying to us, "Oh, you can just start over!"--while true and I suspect will be accurate--may come from a luxury that you have not to appreciate what that will mean for us.

I can completely respect that. The costumes of my characters and their backstories were the most important part of the game to me.

[Zubenelgenubi]

I honestly don't think that's the case at all. In all reality the game was probably getting played out for a lot of the those older players. I'd think that most would relish in the opportunity to start their progress, in a game the thought was gone, over again.

Just making that up, eh? "You'd think" it will be that way? Based on what?

Certainly not true for me. On my main character I had every badge it was possible for the game to award (saving only "Arbitrary & Capricious" and "Not a Real Badge"). Having to start over from zero is absolutely NOT something that I would "relish." If I want to start from zero, I can always make an alt.

And if _you_ want a clean slate, you can have it. Just delete your characters, and there you go.

[Taliseian]

I played off and on the entire run - serious alt-itis, only one L50 with a few Incarnate levels.

IMHO, I don't care if we start over or get our characters back.  To me, the most important thing is being able to play again.


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[Captain Electric]

IMHO, I don't care if we start over or get our characters back.  To me, the most important thing is being able to play again.

While I DO care, I also agree with you about the most important thing.  :)

[Captain Electric]

I honestly don't think that's the case at all. In all reality the game was probably getting played out for a lot of the those older players. I'd think that most would relish in the opportunity to start their progress, in a game the thought was gone, over again.

Just making that up, eh? "You'd think" it will be that way? Based on what?

Certainly not true for me. On my main character I had every badge it was possible for the game to award (saving only "Arbitrary & Capricious" and "Not a Real Badge"). Having to start over from zero is absolutely NOT something that I would "relish." If I want to start from zero, I can always make an alt.

And if _you_ want a clean slate, you can have it. Just delete your characters, and there you go.

See, now THIS is a bit of a negative response--something I was trying to avoid. I guess I'm being negative about your negative respYO DAWG, I HERD YOU LIKE NEGATIVE RESP--sorry I'll be serious. Serious face.

People have a tendency to sound like they're speaking for everyone when they're really just speaking for themselves and likeminded souls. It's just the inadequacies of text tripping us up.

[Ironwolf]

Let me guess... Is your Warshade's named Waffles?

Will you be offended if I name a character Chicken and Waffles, or Waffles with Syrup?

Waffle Iron?

[Waffles]

Is a skinned waffle....


.....a pancake? O.o

Well Waffle's wasn't my warshade's name, but meh.

A skinned waffle is a very poorly made waffle.

Waffle Iron?

Are you stepping on my cornflakes, Ironpudding?

Because let me tell you something about stepping on people's cornflakes... it's a really weird way to eat cornflakes.

[Captain Electric]

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[NegativeIQ]

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!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HEATSTROKE]

 Im going on record again.. I want all my stuff back !!!!

[ivanhedgehog]

Im going on record again.. I want all my stuff back !!!!

Im going on record...I want his stuff too!!!!!!!!

[Captain Electric]

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[LaughingAlex]

they nerfed it to satisfy pvp but never did anything to really fix the set to work properly. as for KB. My first 50 was an energy/fire blaster. I know how kb can be worked to mesh with a team. but the people that wouldnt make an attempt to use kb in a team friendly way, got 1 warning. after that if they were not making an attempt, they got removed from the team. PB were great additions to a team, just like storm controllers. there were any number of people more than willing to show you the neat tricks that would make them not only acceptable, but very useful for a team. There were always some that would not listen and were destined to a life of soloing.

I would love to see them open up the loyalty rewards across the board and unlock the costumes they gave out at meet and greets, that sort of thing..a "thank you for coming back' and keeping the faith.

Well way I saw it, I figured anyone who couldn't deal with someone who had knockback at all, was actually very bad at AoE damage anyways(and almost ALWAYS proved to be bad at it).  When I lead a team I didn't kick on knockback.  I kicked because the person did nothing but heal, never buffed, nore attacked.  Thing was all of the best teams I had didn't pay so much excessive attention to knockback in that way, they didn't care as much.  They still mopped the floor with everything very fast.  If your among those who only cares about maximum exp per second you were a stop having fun guy or a scrub.  In the former, you were so obsessed with that .5% exp increase that was often negated by the bits of debt you'd pick up for not using the tools to mitigate damage.  In the later case, you were very bad at AoE.  I saw both kinds of players.

I saw bad blasters who cried about knockback affecting their aoe when they:

Launched fireballs on lone bosses when blaze or fireblast was available.

Skipped flairs so they had inferior single target damage so they tried to substitute with fireball, often needed someone to speed boost them because they were wasteful with endurance.

Wasted firebreath on single target enemies.

....Actually often skipped both firebreath and rain of fire so fireball was their sole AoE, making them completely inadequete for AoE damage to begin with.

I also saw lots of mistakes from other knockback phobics to who often misused powers wasting endurance so much as to always be empty.  I on the other hand always outdamaged them even when someone was knocking things around.  I'd often have things dead so fast even if there was a good chance of scatter cause i'd have my heavy hits in before the mobs got scattered.

Thing is.....

IF YOU CANNOT ADJUST FOR THE CHANGING SITUATION AND ADJUST WHERE YOUR PLACING YOUR AOE'S DON'T BLAME THE KNOCKBACK USER

The only person who's doing crap damage is you if your only hitting one or two guys and you only have yourself to blame.  If there is knockback in the air, hit earlier, don't be so hesitant.  You can smash/blast/hit entire groups as the tanker hits them, if your waiting 2-3 seconds your waiting 2-3 seconds to long and giving your enemy mobs plenty of time to inflict 2-3 seconds worth of damage anyways.

Edit: Corrected some lines.