New efforts!

[sindyr]

Movement:  COH was my first MMOG and I went hunting around after it closed and tried just about everything, but if it didn't move like COH, i.e. have a behind the head view and worked with my arrow keys, that was it.  I liked the DCOnline, but I have trouble if it isn't behind the person.  I'm not computer savvy enough (or don't care to spend enough time) doing keybinds.  I like TSW, however, as someone earlier in the thread said, I reached a point early in the game where you had to jump or do several actions quickly and I just couldn't master it on the keyboard, rather like all the Winter speed events which I tried multiple times (and enjoyed), but never won.

Emps.  My main character who I learned the game on was Risha (not the icon above), who was a mind/emp troller.  Soloing she had serious problems vs. EBs and AVs, I was working on respec'ing her at the end of the game.  However, when I teamed, I did well, and I kept my buffs recharge, and my eye on the bars of the team.

Costume development:  Yes, my first few were hideous.  Yes, I've had characters that have developed costumes, one was a rp street kid who was a dumpster diver and came up with all sorts of mismatching stuff that I loved (with a kitty on her shoulder), FindersKeepers . . . I never got into a role playing SG with her, but did play out her arc in my mind so that she had better and more sophisticated costumes as she went on.

Back to the top.  Movement is important to me, if movement changes perspective and I can't use my arrow keys for movement and the numeric keys for attacks, I'm gone (in re the successor games and COH2)

Movement - and more to the point, mouse targeting - is why I had to leave Elder Scrolls.

[TonyV]

Seriously, which facebook group is doing this? I'm sure we could pull a mass-report on them and just silence them, at least temporarily, or do something.

This is the OPPOSITE of what anyone should do.

See, as Ironwolf is probably finding out, this is the double-edged sword of threads like this. On the one hand, it's nice to have everyone excited and talking about the game. On the other hand, that excitement eventually builds up to expectation. "When will we get the game back?" "When will it launch?" "How close are we?" "Will we have [whatever] when it relaunches?" Eventually, as things drag out, to a small contingent of people, that expectation turns to resentment. "What's taking so long?" "I never thought it would come back anyway." "Why won't they just sell it already?" "What if we get back something we didn't really bargained for, something we didn't really want after all?" And worst of all, "If things fall through, who screwed us over?"

I've tried to encourage everyone all along to be CAUTIOUSLY optimistic. That means to think positive, but don't get so worked up that you start criticizing other members of the community for things you don't like them doing. If you don't like someone's Facebook posts, ignore them! If they really get under your skin, block them! If you get yourself into the mindset that someone is going to screw up the talks because they're insulting NCsoft or being too argumentative or being too positive/negative or whatever, too bad! Leave them be, because I assure you, posting self-righteous messages as if you are in on the One True Way™ to get the game back will only make people hate you (if you're lucky) or redouble their efforts to piss you off (if you're not). In short, nothing good can come from this.

As for current status, it boils down to what we've known now for over a month. There is a team of folks working on talks with NCsoft to try to get the game back. They'll probably have an answer, positive or negative, sometime late in August. We have no idea how much or how little of the game they'll be able to get because they don't have any idea how much or how little, if anything at all, they'll be able to get. There has been exactly zero talk of when a possible relaunch would happen, because that's grossly putting the cart before the horse. Any mention of this effort related to CoH 2 is pure speculation at this point, see the aforementioned cart and horse. Anything in addition to these points that you hear should be treated as rumor and speculation until the team that is working on these talks makes some sort of announcement which, again, will probably happen sometime late in August, for better or for worse.

Now if you read all of that and you think, "Woot!", congratulations, you're doing it right. Because as I've said all along, NCsoft can say "no" five hundred times, but all it takes is for them to say "yes" once, and this is at least the third or fourth effort I personally know about to acquire and re-release the game, definitely the most serious since Paragon Studios management's effort in September 2012. If these don't succeed, there will be others until we finally have our city back.

If you read all of that and you get all glum and pissed off at people who may be (but aren't really) sabotaging the efforts, ready to grab a pitchfork in addition to your torch, then you're doing it wrong. Take a chill pill, relax, and go watch Oblivion with Tom Cruise, which I watched last night and found surprisingly better than I thought it would be. And when you get done with that, do something else if necessary to find your happy place and stop posting "If everyone would just..." posts because nothing you end that sentence with will be productive.

Cheers!

[AlienOne]

If you can't stand the way someone is playing a defender, just one star them and move on.

Agreed... I was a huge proponent of the "there is no 'one' right way to play a class!" philosophy on the old boards...

[DocHornet]

After Manticore kills Statesman (it makes sense in context), Prometheus gives Positron the power of his Flame to bring back superpowers to the world...

What Samuraiko said!

Sorry for any confusion! (My just-for-fun graphic excerpt was made from snipping selected panels from COH #1-#3 story arc and then kludging them together as an attempt to parallel the hopeful reopening of COH. I left out 98% percent or more of the comic's story line.)

[Scendera]

one was a rp street kid who was a dumpster diver and came up with all sorts of mismatching stuff that I loved (with a kitty on her shoulder)

Y'know, that was my favorite costume piece in ANY game.

I'd put together a fire/shield brute (with plans to rely heavily on the fire sword type powers, so it would look more like a sword user) with a black and orange costume that looked like cooling lava, flaming shield, the works. I couldn't get any variant of Blaze, so after trying for a while I decided to add the shoulder kitty, which I'd been wanting to use in a costume for a really long time.

Meet Blaze and Fluffy :-)

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[MWRuger]

If hard up for something to do you could work on your gaming backlog.

Mine is a "steam"ing back log. I played through Halflife 2 again (cause awesome), black mesa, Wolf Among Us, Walking Dead Season 1 and will probably do episode 1 & 2 after that.

[Luna Eclypse]

Speaking of "not playing a build right," I had one occurrence in a Red Side team with a Stalker where I think everyone can unanimously agree they were not doing it right.

They never used Hide. Ever.

As in, no matter how I explained to them that it's the main feature of their AT, they didn't get it. I just watched them barrel headlong into groups of mobs like a Scrapper and die almost instantly over and over again.

[Angel Phoenix77]

This is the OPPOSITE of what anyone should do.

See, as Ironwolf is probably finding out, this is the double-edged sword of threads like this. On the one hand, it's nice to have everyone excited and talking about the game. On the other hand, that excitement eventually builds up to expectation. "When will we get the game back?" "When will it launch?" "How close are we?" "Will we have [whatever] when it relaunches?" Eventually, as things drag out, to a small contingent of people, that expectation turns to resentment. "What's taking so long?" "I never thought it would come back anyway." "Why won't they just sell it already?" "What if we get back something we didn't really bargained for, something we didn't really want after all?" And worst of all, "If things fall through, who screwed us over?"

I've tried to encourage everyone all along to be CAUTIOUSLY optimistic. That means to think positive, but don't get so worked up that you start criticizing other members of the community for things you don't like them doing. If you don't like someone's Facebook posts, ignore them! If they really get under your skin, block them! If you get yourself into the mindset that someone is going to screw up the talks because they're insulting NCsoft or being too argumentative or being too positive/negative or whatever, too bad! Leave them be, because I assure you, posting self-righteous messages as if you are in on the One True Way™ to get the game back will only make people hate you (if you're lucky) or redouble their efforts to piss you off (if you're not). In short, nothing good can come from this.

As for current status, it boils down to what we've known now for over a month. There is a team of folks working on talks with NCsoft to try to get the game back. They'll probably have an answer, positive or negative, sometime late in August. We have no idea how much or how little of the game they'll be able to get because they don't have any idea how much or how little, if anything at all, they'll be able to get. There has been exactly zero talk of when a possible relaunch would happen, because that's grossly putting the cart before the horse. Any mention of this effort related to CoH 2 is pure speculation at this point, see the aforementioned cart and horse. Anything in addition to these points that you hear should be treated as rumor and speculation until the team that is working on these talks makes some sort of announcement which, again, will probably happen sometime late in August, for better or for worse.

Now if you read all of that and you think, "Woot!", congratulations, you're doing it right. Because as I've said all along, NCsoft can say "no" five hundred times, but all it takes is for them to say "yes" once, and this is at least the third or fourth effort I personally know about to acquire and re-release the game, definitely the most serious since Paragon Studios management's effort in September 2012. If these don't succeed, there will be others until we finally have our city back.

If you read all of that and you get all glum and pissed off at people who may be (but aren't really) sabotaging the efforts, ready to grab a pitchfork in addition to your torch, then you're doing it wrong. Take a chill pill, relax, and go watch Oblivion with Tom Cruise, which I watched last night and found surprisingly better than I thought it would be. And when you get done with that, do something else if necessary to find your happy place and stop posting "If everyone would just..." posts because nothing you end that sentence with will be productive.

Cheers!

I completely agree with the last paragraph, people should take a few steps back and just relax. I understand people wanting to play again because I share this sentiment but I take breaks from reading this topic, even though it says I am still on.

[ivanhedgehog]

All I can say tonight is once this is over either way - I would like a nice big apology from the Facebook crowd - not that it will happen but still.

For those who may pass this to that group - I would not name drop former Paragon Devs who have contacted the team and I would not say IM Tony V to verify it.

I know it is slow right now - but the new Devs don't control this dance, NCSoft does. I can't pass on anything except - they are working on something to prove competence. Since I have named everyone involved except the Dev team - you could bother to verify with them what I have said.

The folks here on the board have been great. The Facebook group is going hog wild. You don't hoax people giving them your real street address and phone number. I understand the frenzy that having hope is causing - stay the course.

my wife and I played coh from I6 on and are firmly behind you. this looks really good and while it might be possible to be a hoax I dont for a second think it is. I am looking forwards to coh being back and am more than ready to say goodbye to swtor. buck up and think good thoughts...or dream of driving your enemies before you and hearing the lamentation of his women..one of those should help.

[P51mus]

Tanks without taunt, masterminds without pets, Controllers without pets, (after level 32), characters without travel powers, characters with all 4 travel powers,  stone tanks that don't take granite and take flight, stone tanks that do take granite and flight, dominators without perma-dom, etc.

I've seen tanks and scrappers without any sort of status protection getting mezzed all the time.

Offering unsolicited build advice is rude. It's like telling someone they are disciplining their children wrong. Even if you are right they certainly won't appreciate it and hooray! You just ruined their day! Well done you!

There's certain high impact powers like mez protection that hurt a lot to miss.  If I remember right, I'd usually try to explain what makes the power so good to try and convince them to pick it up.  "You won't be spending half your time clutching your head instead of punching things anymore" makes a pretty good argument.  And actually a decent amount of the time people just don't really understand what certain powers do.

[TonyV]

I completely agree with the last paragraph...

All you agreed with was, "Cheers!"?

:(

[Waffles]

I see your point, but if these people are bugging NCsoft as much as it sounds like they are , it would be worth atleast -reduce- the things being said, For at the end of the day, if they jeopardize the effort, it does more harm to let them run rampant than to silence them in some form.

The 'mass report' idea was sort of spur of the moment, in hindsight it's counter-productive, and pretty overboard.

I'm not exactly fond of the idea that a bunch of morons on Facebook have the potential to ruin everything.

[LaughingAlex]

This is the OPPOSITE of what anyone should do.

See, as Ironwolf is probably finding out, this is the double-edged sword of threads like this. On the one hand, it's nice to have everyone excited and talking about the game. On the other hand, that excitement eventually builds up to expectation. "When will we get the game back?" "When will it launch?" "How close are we?" "Will we have [whatever] when it relaunches?" Eventually, as things drag out, to a small contingent of people, that expectation turns to resentment. "What's taking so long?" "I never thought it would come back anyway." "Why won't they just sell it already?" "What if we get back something we didn't really bargained for, something we didn't really want after all?" And worst of all, "If things fall through, who screwed us over?"

I've tried to encourage everyone all along to be CAUTIOUSLY optimistic. That means to think positive, but don't get so worked up that you start criticizing other members of the community for things you don't like them doing. If you don't like someone's Facebook posts, ignore them! If they really get under your skin, block them! If you get yourself into the mindset that someone is going to screw up the talks because they're insulting NCsoft or being too argumentative or being too positive/negative or whatever, too bad! Leave them be, because I assure you, posting self-righteous messages as if you are in on the One True Way™ to get the game back will only make people hate you (if you're lucky) or redouble their efforts to piss you off (if you're not). In short, nothing good can come from this.

As for current status, it boils down to what we've known now for over a month. There is a team of folks working on talks with NCsoft to try to get the game back. They'll probably have an answer, positive or negative, sometime late in August. We have no idea how much or how little of the game they'll be able to get because they don't have any idea how much or how little, if anything at all, they'll be able to get. There has been exactly zero talk of when a possible relaunch would happen, because that's grossly putting the cart before the horse. Any mention of this effort related to CoH 2 is pure speculation at this point, see the aforementioned cart and horse. Anything in addition to these points that you hear should be treated as rumor and speculation until the team that is working on these talks makes some sort of announcement which, again, will probably happen sometime late in August, for better or for worse.

Now if you read all of that and you think, "Woot!", congratulations, you're doing it right. Because as I've said all along, NCsoft can say "no" five hundred times, but all it takes is for them to say "yes" once, and this is at least the third or fourth effort I personally know about to acquire and re-release the game, definitely the most serious since Paragon Studios management's effort in September 2012. If these don't succeed, there will be others until we finally have our city back.

If you read all of that and you get all glum and pissed off at people who may be (but aren't really) sabotaging the efforts, ready to grab a pitchfork in addition to your torch, then you're doing it wrong. Take a chill pill, relax, and go watch Oblivion with Tom Cruise, which I watched last night and found surprisingly better than I thought it would be. And when you get done with that, do something else if necessary to find your happy place and stop posting "If everyone would just..." posts because nothing you end that sentence with will be productive.

Cheers!

I think everything in many ways is a double edged sword, in that the saying "no good deed goes unpunished" kind of applies here.  In the case of the facebook topic, it was probably the right thing to inform them and indeed certainly a good idea to tell them to be quiet about it, as sooner or later someone would have brought it up later rather than sooner.  But there will always be those who misinterpret messages, or just those who get to excited.  Word tends to spread.  And indeed here we are seeing things are going quite civil while sometimes on facebook it's clear some people are just animals.  They got no restraint even when people ask them to, and they even try to justify that lack of restraint.  It's not intentional for them to ruin things but they seem to be the types that ignore the "local politics" as someone said.

I'm still hopeful, I was worried at a time but I'm glad that it's at the point it is now.  So far, Save city of heroes seems to have calmed last I checked and CoH survivors tends to pay little attention to this, but certainly more to valiance online(which is ok, I actually wrote a small segment in the lore segment).

[Optimus Dex]

Speaking of "not playing a build right," I had one occurrence in a Red Side team with a Stalker where I think everyone can unanimously agree they were not doing it right.

They never used Hide. Ever.

As in, no matter how I explained to them that it's the main feature of their AT, they didn't get it. I just watched them barrel headlong into groups of mobs like a Scrapper and die almost instantly over and over again.

People never cease to amaze me. I made a petless MM on villain side just to experiment with how long he could solo. People would invite me to a team - I would explain the petlessness of my Mastermind - team leader would say it's ok- just team with us. Nine times out of 10 the team leader would eventually ask where my pets were.

[Angel Phoenix77]

All you agreed with was, "Cheers!"?

:(

Sorry, I agree with everything you said, I just wanted to put emphasis on your last paragraph. I think people should take a step back and relax as seeing this is a marathon and not a sprit :)

[Scendera]

Speaking of "not playing a build right," I had one occurrence in a Red Side team with a Stalker where I think everyone can unanimously agree they were not doing it right.

They never used Hide. Ever.

As in, no matter how I explained to them that it's the main feature of their AT, they didn't get it. I just watched them barrel headlong into groups of mobs like a Scrapper and die almost instantly over and over again.

Dafuq?

I was never the most skilled player around, never got past 24 in the year and change I played, but it took me about 3 seconds to figure that one out...

[P51mus]

People never cease to amaze me. I made a petless MM on villain side just to experiment with how long he could solo. People would invite me to a team - I would explain the petlessness of my Mastermind - team leader would say it's ok- just team with us. Nine times out of 10 the team leader would eventually ask where my pets were.

I once saw a petless Ninja/TA mastermind that was missing a lot of good powers from /TA like disruption arrow because it "didn't fit his theme".

That's just a half step above a brawl only character.

[Kaos Arcanna]

I've seen tanks and scrappers without any sort of status protection getting mezzed all the time.

There's certain high impact powers like mez protection that hurt a lot to miss.  If I remember right, I'd usually try to explain what makes the power so good to try and convince them to pick it up.  "You won't be spending half your time clutching your head instead of punching things anymore" makes a pretty good argument.  And actually a decent amount of the time people just don't really understand what certain powers do.

I had never played a MMO before I started playing COH. I had no idea what a Tank was, let alone it's function. I made a character that was supposed to be super strong and invulnerable. When I made him, Unyielding was Unyielding Stance and locked you into immobility so I didn't want that. It was only after I made my Peacebringer and learned the value of Mez Protection from the White Dwarf that I realized what a goof I had made. :D

On the other end, I made a friend on Infinity who was playing an Empath and only taking the heals. I informed her of the value of the other buffs-- in a non condescending manner-- and she eventually proved to be great at it. :D

[MM3squints]

If you can't stand the way someone is playing a defender, just one star them and move on. Or just play one "the right way" and show all the schlubs how it's done. I actually learned a lot by watching expert players do their thing and then asking a few questions between missions.

I think I missed this. You could rate people in the game? O.o

[Super Firebug]

I once saw a petless Ninja/TA mastermind that was missing a lot of good powers from /TA like disruption arrow because it "didn't fit his theme".

That's just a half step above a brawl only character.

I once actually tried to make a two-fisted "normal Joe" type of character, with the Fighting and Medicine pools, and anything else that was close to how a normal, unpowered citizen might be. I didn't get very far with him, though. It's kind of like trying to play an Oblivion character who doesn't use magic (which I also tried): so much of the game works against that type of thing.