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Angel Phoenix77

Quote from: Myrmydon on July 17, 2014, 04:46:11 PM
My favorite "Are you a healer?" requests were always when I was playing my Ice/Ice Blaster. People standing right next to me while asking that question always made me laugh.
I understand that, I was on my controller grav\storm, I was sent a tell saying "R U a healer?" I said no, and I prefer debuffs, so the person invites me I go to the mission and start using my debuffs on mobs, the leader keeps dying and asks why I am not healing, I try to remind him before the invite Im not a healer. Next thing I know I get kicked.
One day the Phoenix will rise again.

Myrmydon

Quote from: FloatingFatMan on July 17, 2014, 04:52:26 PM
I used to get them.... On my Peacebringer... :p

While in Dwarf form?  :D

MWRuger

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Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on July 17, 2014, 04:27:49 PM
More than a few pages ago, Wolf stated that the buyers were shown the image of the game and it was in poor shape (I think that is the word he used). That drove the price down, so the buyers are trying to get more, what that means I do not know, but if I was to hazard a guess. They are trying to get the paragon market. I know for sure they want the ip for city of heroes 2.


The Paragon Market was handled by a third party, not NCSoft. It's not theirs to sell. Account Data (which would include what we bought) is very unlikely (per Iron Wolf).

I suspect that what they are negotiating is on an "as is" state, with favorable options to buy further data and assets discovered at a later date. More important; how to assign value to data that is less valuable the longer it takes to get recovered. Getting Character data back after a year is not same, value wise, as getting it back now. Also they likely want to include the IP for development of a sequel. Likely, NCSoft is negotiating how much say they will get in that sequel. Also, to be considered, is how much credit (if any) Cryptic should receive in a sequel. Also, schedules for transfer of assets, number of employee hours the new buyers can expect NCSoft to expend in further searches, etc all need to be delineated. These kinds of deals are complex. You don't want to screw this step up just because you are excited. This can be the difference between an ultimately successful project and a failed one. Also helps to protect both parties from future liabilities.

I think that the "as is" state deal is essentially done. But there is no point in that going forward until all these other issues are worked out. That's how I read what Iron Wolf has said about "one signature away" But I'm just guessing like everyone else
AKA TheDevilYouKnow
Return of CoH - Oh My God! It looks like it can happen!

Myrmydon

Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on July 17, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
I understand that, I was on my controller grav\storm, I was sent a tell saying "R U a healer?" I said no, and I prefer debuffs, so the person invites me I go to the mission and start using my debuffs on mobs, the leader keeps dying and asks why I am not healing, I try to remind him before the invite Im not a healer. Next thing I know I get kicked.

Storm was pretty good. I took one up on a dare from an SG-mate that I couldn't play one to 50 before she took a Tank there. I still don't believe that she ever did.

Super Firebug

Quote from: umber on July 17, 2014, 02:04:33 PM
CoH proactive buffs/debuffs were generally so much more efficient that reactive healing but it was hard to convince some players of this, especially newer CoHers who came to us with certain expectations burned in from other MMOs.  And honestly it didn't bother me too much, if thats how they wanted to play so be it.  A few times I did try an experiment, hooked up with a PUG that highly desired (demanded) a healer, dusted off the emp, kept the team alive.  After a successful mission or two ask if I could switch characters to slowly wean them off of healing, start with a rad ("it has some healing and a rez too, along with buff/debuffs") then maybe a kin for some healing and very noticeable buffs, then maybe an ill/ff controller and see if anyone even notices the PUG steamrolling without any heals being fired off. 

Convincing folks could be done but it worked so much better by showing than telling.

Yep. Damage prevented is damage that doesn't NEED to be healed. But unfortunately, too many MMO developers out there don't think to include damage prevention, so a lot of MMO players have a blind spot to the concept.
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okami

Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on July 17, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
I understand that, I was on my controller grav\storm, I was sent a tell saying "R U a healer?" I said no, and I prefer debuffs, so the person invites me I go to the mission and start using my debuffs on mobs, the leader keeps dying and asks why I am not healing, I try to remind him before the invite Im not a healer. Next thing I know I get kicked.

Even on my Empath if someone whispered "Are you a healer?" I'd ignore them instead of going into my "No, I'm a Defender." tirade.

MWRuger

Quote from: Fanta on July 17, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
If you want to take down AVs solo I'd say traps /sonic

Why yes, that's sounds nice! I suspect if I could solo AV's, soloing regular content should be possible. Traps/Sonic? OK, I'll re-roll Mr. Blue Suede Shoes (decked out in sparkling gold lame and rebuild my Graceland SG. That was on a server that was pretty dead whenever I was logged (Triumph).

I'll look at mids and see what slotting looks like and what to build for. Thanks for the tip!
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Return of CoH - Oh My God! It looks like it can happen!

AlienOne

I used to say "Gather for buffs!" while playing on my Warshade when I played on PuGs, and as soon as everyone would gather, I'd say "SUCKAAASSS!!!" and dive head-first into the first mob.

It would usually get a few chuckles from the more knowledgeable members of the PuG.
"What COH did was to show [developers of other] MMOs what they could be like if they gave up on controlling everything in the game, and just made it something great to play."  - Johnny Joy Bringer

Fanta

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Quote from: TheDevilYouKnow on July 17, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
Why yes, that's sounds nice! I suspect if I could solo AV's, soloing regular content should be possible. Traps/Sonic? OK, I'll re-roll Mr. Blue Suede Shoes (decked out in sparkling gold lame and rebuild my Graceland SG. That was on a server that was pretty dead whenever I was logged (Triumph).

I'll look at mids and see what slotting looks like and what to build for. Thanks for the tip!

Here's a starter for ya

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Edit: This was going to be a I24 build, and not final as I might have gone with Shockwave instead of DW not knowing how the changes would effect nukes. Also, it lacks the 3 slots post I24.
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Fanta

Quote from: AlienOne on July 17, 2014, 05:11:58 PM
I used to say "Gather for buffs!" while playing on my Warshade when I played on PuGs, and as soon as everyone would gather, I'd say "SUCKAAASSS!!!" and dive head-first into the first mob.

It would usually get a few chuckles from the more knowledgeable members of the PuG.

Made me laugh, Suckass! :D
I am an ass, but don't we all love a good ass!

Ironwolf

Quote from: Davy on July 17, 2014, 06:40:27 AM
I was under the impression we weren't getting character data back as it can't be linked to our accounts, anyway.

Did I miss the situation changing? Or have people been arguing just because they can?

I think using a little logic we can make the guess that if the game is of a disk image of the last time being played - it will have all the login character data. Now - the trouble becomes separating it from everything else. It "may" be possible to fire it up and start to reverse engineer the server data and get all the login account data. If that is the case it may be possible to sort it out. In fact I personally would be happy to pay a one time fee towards the recovery of my characters. It would obviously have a cost associated with getting this stuff and if they said if you pay another $10-$25 we can have your account up and running in 72 hours...........I would be very happy.

You used to be able to buy a character rename token or a server move, please understand this is not new information or an update it is me being a fan myself and looking at how the data could possibly be recovered.

BadWolf

Quote from: Myrmydon on July 17, 2014, 05:03:32 PM
Storm was pretty good. I took one up on a dare from an SG-mate that I couldn't play one to 50 before she took a Tank there. I still don't believe that she ever did.

My one complaint about Storm (and I had a level 50 /Storm MM, so don't take this as a dislike of the set) is that one of the things it did best, -Rech, didn't accept enhancements. I could enhance the Slow in Freezing Rain and Snowstorm, but not the -Rech. That put it at a minor disadvantage when compared to some other debuff-heavy sets, because their debuffs would get better as the powers were slotted but mine wouldn't.

(Also, as long as I'm grousing, Hurricane having both a debuff to enemies in its area of effect and a KB/Repel that knocked them out of said area was a little frustrating. I'd have preferred it if Hurricane gave the +Def to allies and Steamy Mist gave the -Acc to enemies, so that I could use Hurricane more situationally, but I suppose we can't have everything we want.)

Again, this isn't to be confused with a dislike for the powerset--when Storm got going, the sheer amount of disruption it could generate put many control sets to shame. :)

Felderburg

Quote from: Kheprera on July 17, 2014, 04:15:38 PM
We have the post-sunset AMA information. Use it!

Ehhh....... maaaaybe.... I'm on the line. On the one hand, I want to see it all happen. On the other hand, maybe some surprises in the grand story arc. For example, the AMA reveals a Battalion sleeper agent - that should be changed. Or even the whole grand plot should be changed!
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Myrmydon

Quote from: BadWolf on July 17, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
My one complaint about Storm (and I had a level 50 /Storm MM, so don't take this as a dislike of the set) is that one of the things it did best, -Rech, didn't accept enhancements. I could enhance the Slow in Freezing Rain and Snowstorm, but not the -Rech. That put it at a minor disadvantage when compared to some other debuff-heavy sets, because their debuffs would get better as the powers were slotted but mine wouldn't.

(Also, as long as I'm grousing, Hurricane having both a debuff to enemies in its area of effect and a KB/Repel that knocked them out of said area was a little frustrating. I'd have preferred it if Hurricane gave the +Def to allies and Steamy Mist gave the -Acc to enemies, so that I could use Hurricane more situationally, but I suppose we can't have everything we want.)

Again, this isn't to be confused with a dislike for the powerset--when Storm got going, the sheer amount of disruption it could generate put many control sets to shame. :)

My playstyle a tended to favor Rad, Kin or Dark (and Force Field much later), so Storm wasn't something that I would play through more than once. It was good, but the others were more satisfying, particularly once Corruptors could move to Paragon City.

FloatingFatMan

Quote from: Felderburg on July 17, 2014, 05:44:11 PM
Ehhh....... maaaaybe.... I'm on the line. On the one hand, I want to see it all happen. On the other hand, maybe some surprises in the grand story arc. For example, the AMA reveals a Battalion sleeper agent - that should be changed. Or even the whole grand plot should be changed!

As an aside... Every time I see your name, I think "Felgercarb!"

/em shakes fist at original Battlestar Galactica!

Kheprera

Quote from: Felderburg on July 17, 2014, 05:44:11 PM
Ehhh....... maaaaybe.... I'm on the line. On the one hand, I want to see it all happen. On the other hand, maybe some surprises in the grand story arc. For example, the AMA reveals a Battalion sleeper agent - that should be changed. Or even the whole grand plot should be changed!

Clearly! But it can be a jumping off point so the new devs can maintain the feel and keep stories moving, even if they change direction. GMs should always be prepared to change course based on player actions.  ;D

I am curious how they will approach the OldDev-Player Characters. I'd have a hard time seeing someone other than Matt Miller, for instance, as Positron.

Shadowe

Personally, I think the Dev characters should be kept away from, as a sign of respect.

Though if the old devs come back once in a while (assuming none of them are part of the deal), it might be a nice gesture to allow them the option to re activate them.

Likewise "Redname" accounts on whatever official fora we end up on.
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umber

Quote from: BadWolf on July 17, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
Again, this isn't to be confused with a dislike for the powerset--when Storm got going, the sheer amount of disruption it could generate put many control sets to shame. :)

The storm summoning powerset was chaos incarnate.  All too often I felt the need to hold back on the set to keep the rest of the party sane, the knockback drove tankers trying to do their job crazy, scrappers having to chase after tornadoes, and even the ranged characters didn't appreciate the reduction in efficiency to their AoEs when groups of mobs were scattered to the winds (as it were).  But when things went bad the Storm set could shine like no other.  For example, when a team vastly overaggro'd three spawns worth of mobs where a single spawn was proving trouble enough, that's when I'd remove all the restraints from my storm and watch the lovely chaos get everyone through the crisis without a scratch.

hejtmane

Quote from: TheDevilYouKnow on July 17, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
Why yes, that's sounds nice! I suspect if I could solo AV's, soloing regular content should be possible. Traps/Sonic? OK, I'll re-roll Mr. Blue Suede Shoes (decked out in sparkling gold lame and rebuild my Graceland SG. That was on a server that was pretty dead whenever I was logged (Triumph).

I'll look at mids and see what slotting looks like and what to build for. Thanks for the tip!

Soling AV's is fun but it is an execution in patience; one of the things my scrapper builds where built around was the ability to solo AV's.

One of my best accomplishments and many deaths trying before I was ever successful was my fire/sd  taking down Infernal being fire damage he had a 50% resistance to my fire attacks and taking that big hit hurt even with aidself. Needless to say I think it was a 30 minute battle maybe an hour been many years ago just know it was long.

Marauder was a fun AV to solo now the coolest solo ever was Iggy on the scrapper forum completed an itf solo with a katana/wp and yes that included the final AV Iggy was awesome

LaughingAlex

Quote from: Mistress Urd on July 17, 2014, 08:29:57 AM
Even more amusing, the leader of that team was another emp.

Really?  Wow, that guy was a classic n00b then, lol.  I remember when I had a guy who had four years worth of veteran badges in the pre-free to play days, and he wholly believed defenders were meant to only ever heal.  I left, as I was a storm summoner.
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