So anyone who wants their character data back is ungrateful and a schmuck..
Never said that. But if you say you love COH and then say you
won't support the return of the game without your character data then YES MY
OPINION IS THAT YOU'RE A SCHMUCK. Am I schmuck too for having that opinion... I can't in good conscience say I'm not. We can be schmucks together for different reasons.
You have a right to your opinion and they have a right to not play if thats THEIR choice. That doesnt mean they dont care. Its just that they have a different value system and requirement to play than you do.
I can't force people to play. I can't force them to support the game. But I can hold the opinion that if you claim to love the game but won't support its return
solely due to your character data being irrecoverable then you didn't love the game as much as you claimed.
REALLY... you've accounted for how many peoples lives have changed over the ten years since the inception of the game and have decided that if they do not invest the time that they did previously or are able to invest that time that you are able to invest is not TRULY a fan.. gotcha. Forget those people who have new careers and obligations and possible even new spouses and family.. if you were TRULY a fan you would make time to get back into the game..
You completely took this comment out of context. Allow me to quote the whole part you nabbed that tidbit from:
I'd like to see a limited time launch special "starter pack" for a nominal fee (50$ wouldn't be too much to ask IMO) that basically gives you maxed vet rewards and all the "buyable/nonconsumable" content that existed at the point of shutdown. This would allow vets of the game to come back and have their basic status and previous purchases essentially restored. We'd have all the base elements to work with that we had before the shutdown to rebuild what was lost. Have this limited time special starter pack available for a month or so. Anyone who is truly a fan of COH still will have plenty of time to get back into the game with that special starter pack.
CONTEXT! That sentence you PARTIALLY quoted was in reference to people having enough time to take advantage of that hypothetical "special starter pack" I was talking about. You took a piece of a sentence and turned it into something entirely different from its meaning.
For me this is a truly silly argument.. there are many people who have the time and the ability to get to level 50 within hours.. let alone days and weeks.. the equal footing argument is silly..
Either everyone starts fresh or everyone starts with all they had. Can't have it piecemeal. I WANT my data back don't get me wrong. But I won't let the lack of data stop me from supporting the game.
All you people hanging out in Pocket D.. your not PLAYING.. hey.. all you people hanging out talking under Atlas.. Your not PLAYING.. Stop running that costume contest.. thats not PLAYING.. or should people just play according to YOUR definition of what is playing.. so if character data was available. and people got back everything they wanted.. they arent PLAYERS apparently.. got it.. and not only that.. not only are they not players.. They dont CARE.. ok.. got it..
Where this comes from I'll never know. I did not say anything in reference to HOW people play the game. If you're in Pocket D you're obviously playing IMO. Which means you're supporting the game. Which means you care. Your little tangent here makes no sense at all whatsoever in regards to my post.
By your definition probably not..
Yup you're right. If the
sole factor preventing you from supporting the return of the game is whether or not the character data is recoverable then yes by MY definition you don't love the game as much as you might claim to. Cause if you did... you'd do everything you could to get it back data be damned. But see you don't fit my definition. The end of this heavily quoted wall of text proves that. At the end of the day you're still willing to play and spend with or without the data. Maybe not as much as before but you'd support. So by my definition you love the game.
and if they choose not to.. thats THEIR choice.. and they have every right to do so..
Never said otherwise. But I can still hold the opinion people are schmucks if they spend hours wailing on these forums about missing the game... and then someone comes along making titanic efforts/spending tons of money to give the game back to them but couldn't recover the account/character data and they snub it. Its like claiming your dying of thirst and someone offers you a glass of water from the tap and you slap it away because its not bottled.
I think its been said repeatedly on this thread and others.. CONSISTENTLY.. that the most important thing is getting the game back. but if at all possible people would like their data..
I never argued that. I WANT that. But IF the data is not recoverable I'd still support the game and I personally feel anyone on this forum claiming they love and miss the game should do the same data or not.
How did you even remotely draw a conclusion to lack of funding when we are not being asked to fund anything ??
Let's say this deal goes through and the servers are back up... Do you think they will be free? Do you think you'll just have everything for nothing and be able to play without spending a penny ever again? Be realistic. Even in maintenance mode it costs money to host an MMO. Not a lot in the grand scheme of things mind you but it does require SOMETHING. They will need to have some sort of positive income to keep maintenance mode going. Even if they just have it exactly as it was with Freedom: you can sub, or play and buy stuff a la carte, etc. They generate some income and would very likely NEED to just to keep the lights on if nothing else. Us old timers need to support the effort and let these new devs know that we've got their back and that their investment is not going to just be a money pit draining them dry. If we don't support them then maintenance mode won't last and we're back where we started with nothing.
The few people (and for the record I havent seen any) who might choose not to play will have no ultimate bearing on the game because the number of people who choose to play will FAR outnumber them..
I'm hopeful that you're right. All I'm saying, is that if you're here on this forum wailing about how much you miss the game... and it comes back... but you dont support it just because your character data was irrecoverable... then well, you're a schmuck. But hey those people don't know me from Joe Shmoe... what does my opinion matter to them?
Lets be clear about something as well. The efforts of everyone involved have been applauded consistently.. but lets not think that this is completely altruistic.. Investors invest for one reason and one reason only.. They can make money.. So while restoring the game if successful is admirable and should be celebrated.. Its also a business.. and if you are investing in a business you should know your clientele.. You should know their expectations and demands.. you wont be able to satisfy them all.. but you SHOULD be aware of them...
I don't have any argument with this. But since you're obviously aware that this isn't an entirely altruistic effort, then why did you bring up funding before? You obviously know they want/need to make money... if everyone held to the mindset of not supporting without the character data then there might be no money incoming if the data isn't recoverable. You are commenting from a point of view where you think I don't want the data or that I think the data shouldn't be attempted to be recovered. I can assure you this isn't the case at all. I'd want every effort made for the data. BUT the lack of data would not dissuade me from supporting the game's return nor do I think it should be the sole factor to dissuade anyone on this forum who swears they love the game.
I could give you a whole list of reasons.. many of which wont meet your standard of approval..
1) I dont have the time I had TEN YEARS AGO.. my life has changed dramatically and there are more things that demand my time and attention.. the chief of them being my FOUR YEAR OLD son..
2) After 8 years of playing I have done the level things.. a great many times.. I dont find the leveling path extremely entertaining anymore.. personally I would rather start every character at Level 35.. I find that part of the game the most intersting..
3) I dont want to sink the time and effort in AGAIN.. whats the long term plan for this venture ?? just 18 months ago it was.. Play for free FOREVER.. expect FOREVER was only 18 months..
4) I enjoy the latter part of the game more than the early part.. but I guess in your opinion thats not playing..
5) I enjoyed builds at the point of shutdown.. I dont have the inclination, the time, or the energy to REINVEST another 8 years..
Now that being said.. If there were no character data.. I would play.. as much as I did before.. probably not.. would i spend the money I did before ( and I spent THOUSANDS playing this game ).. probably not..
DO I want the game back... absolutely..
What I have come to resent is exactly the picture your first post stated.. and mindset that places an erroneous label on people that is divisive and unfair..
There's a reason I have repeatedly used the word "solely" throughout my replies to your various quotes. It's because I realize times change, people change and we're all not where we were a decade ago. There's lots of valid reasons for not being able or willing to support the return of COH. I just don't think lack of character data should be the one and only thing to do it.
But see your final quote shows you DO love the game. You said it yourself you'll play it even without the character data. Maybe not as much as you did before... maybe you wont spend as much as you once did... but you're willing to support the game data or not and THAT PROVES you love the damn game!
I don't get why you made so many assumptions about what I consider "playing" the game. I dont give a flying fart in space how anyone specifically enjoyed playing COH. We all played and enjoyed it in our own ways and that's great, more power to us all. I dont look down on anyone's particular enjoyment of the game. This isn't about what style of play anyone has. You and I aren't really on different pages here. We both WANT the data restored. We both WILL PLAY with or without that data though. Maybe you thought I was saying the data shouldn't be restored? I wasn't. But I am saying that free 50's or letting people have sentinel characters added to the database is a huge mistake for balance reasons. Either everyone is restored or everyone starts fresh. Half measures only hurt the game as a whole.
