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[MM3squints]

https://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q795/campweezer/forum/pitbullhoverboard_zps9woycg9p.png~original ?

I think that model will be popular only in Miami.

[Vee]

I don't know, stepping on Pitbull's face should be popular everywhere.

[Biz]

I don't know, stepping on Pitbull's face should be popular everywhere.

Ouch! Do you have a Vendetta against Pitbull or something, Vee?

[LaughingAlex]

https://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q795/campweezer/forum/pitbullhoverboard_zps9woycg9p.png~original ?

That looks, a little impractical.

[Angel Phoenix77]

I haven't played STO in years, so I can't say much about that. However, it is worth noting that pretty much every mission in the game is driven by Undine infiltration, which is driven by Iconian interference... So you've been fighting the Iconian war the entire time you've been playing.

I will say I really liked the way STO used that.

Well I haven't seen it. Besides, once a movie gets old enough, it should be spoiler protected for people that weren't born when it came out. No reason to spoil it for someone who wasn't physically (existentially?) able to see it.

Actually, that's not correct, the beginning missions from the launch only had two missions that involved 8472, the one in the Vulcan monastery and the other helping the Klingon Defense force. Other then that you had to wait until late game to fight them again.
For your next point, they added a mission I want to say in the 8472 mission arc where it was discovered by the player and a fleet of ships, that it was found out that the Iconians used races like the Elatchi to make the ships of the Alpha/Beta Quad. Which caused a war with 8472. While the Iconian involvement in the games story might be minimal or extreme depending on how much you stretch the meaning in what they did.   

[Felderburg]

Regarding spoilers, while actual hidden tags might not be used, perhaps an in text "SPOILER WARING" would compromise between a decent conversation and those that want to avoid spoilers? Also, I would think that once a conversation gets going, spoilers are assumed.

For instance, spoilers about STO follow:

Actually, that's not correct, the beginning missions from the launch only had two missions that involved 8472, the one in the Vulcan monastery and the other helping the Klingon Defense force. Other then that you had to wait until late game to fight them again.
For your next point, they added a mission I want to say in the 8472 mission arc where it was discovered by the player and a fleet of ships, that it was found out that the Iconians used races like the Elatchi to make the ships of the Alpha/Beta Quad. Which caused a war with 8472. While the Iconian involvement in the games story might be minimal or extreme depending on how much you stretch the meaning in what they did.   

Well, even if not every mission actually has an Undine in it, they are responsible for the war with the Klingons, which drives a lot of the lower arcs. Plus, they do appear in at least one or two Romulan missions - as a Starfleet admiral. The main point I'm trying to make is that even if they're not directly in a mission, they still influence events. And since the Undine were manipulated into disrupting the Alpha / Beta powers by the Iconians, by extension the entire game is about the Iconian war.

Of course, the STO story is a bit odd with the Iconian threat and Undine involvement. If you read "The needs of the Many," it's all about the Undine, who were clearly supposed to be the big bad before the Iconians were added.

Side note: I'm kind of disappointed that the Iconians are bad guys. The episode that introduced them was more about people with advanced technology being wrongly thought of as evil "demons," and to have them turn out to actually be evil is a bit of a downer.

[FloatingFatMan]

Side note: I'm kind of disappointed that the Iconians are bad guys. The episode that introduced them was more about people with advanced technology being wrongly thought of as evil "demons," and to have them turn out to actually be evil is a bit of a downer.

You know what the absolute WORST thing about STO?  That it's the official holder of canon for the Trek universe.  All this stupid crap with the Undine and Iconions and constant war everywhere, is official. :(

Trek was NEVER EVER meant to be about wars... It was a show about exploring the galaxy. Gene would not be amused.

[Vee]

Ouch! Do you have a Vendetta against Pitbull or something, Vee?

So long as i never have to hear his music again we're cool. I was able to navigate the world avoiding him pretty well 'til last year espn played 'timber' on promos for i think the nba playoffs about 20 times an hour for the better part of 3 months. Nearly had to get fitted for a straight jacket.

[Sinistar]

You know what the absolute WORST thing about STO?  That it's the official holder of canon for the Trek universe.  All this stupid crap with the Undine and Iconions and constant war everywhere, is official. :(

Trek was NEVER EVER meant to be about wars... It was a show about exploring the galaxy. Gene would not be amused.

Granted it is about exploration and how everyone on Earth now gets along and skips along merrily with each other, but it is inevitable that some alien races aren't going to like each other or us and thus conflict will arise.
To say that there would no wars at all would make things a bit dull.  Too much war is overkill of course.

[LaughingAlex]

You know what the absolute WORST thing about STO?  That it's the official holder of canon for the Trek universe.  All this stupid crap with the Undine and Iconions and constant war everywhere, is official. :(

Trek was NEVER EVER meant to be about wars... It was a show about exploring the galaxy. Gene would not be amused.

That is probably because of the mentality with mmorpg writers who look to much at WoW, and other games in that they tend to glorify war to much.  It's like they don't know how to conjure up a conflict without starting a massive war.  There are other ways of stirring a conflict without resorting to a war.  Hell, while city of heroes even had wars going on, it wasn't a constant, you had a lot of conflicts that were capable of causing immense damage that didn't have a full blown war going on.

And the same could be said of every star trek series, in that the conflicts that did happen tended to vary significantly.  From the accidental conflicts the original enterprise encountered to communication errors and relationship issues, well, you had alot more "life" there.  Generic MMORPGs?  War, always, and if it's not some quest as part of a war it still involves mass killing of some mob.  In fact the RPG in MMORPG, well, I said it before.  RPG to mmorpg players is "role in a team thats destroying very stupid enemies", some "role" in a war machine.  Not role as a personality or character, just role as in "what does this person do, heal the tank in the front lines as the damage dealers blast away with AoE?  or one of those other two?".

When someone writes around that mindset, you end up with nothing but war.  And I cannot see good writing when it's that narrow in scope or much variety at the least.  It's, honestly why i've taken a liking to single player games when it comes to story any more, as it's often not about "role as in function in the team" but role as in character and personality.

The original Star Treks, from the original series to voyager, the characters could be described as, to some extent or another, defined by their personality and character in their role on the ship, rather than the job they did.  Even the captains tended to have differing personality quirks.  From the woman-chasing Captain Kirk to the often stern, anything-to-save-her-crew-antihero Janeway, you could tell them apart from just the personality(though don't throw archer in here, I didn't care whatsoever about enterprise.  And I still have to watch deep space 9 but voyager, Next Gen and the original series?  I'm most familiar with those).

MMORPGs?  Eh, "who cares about personality anymore?" seems to be a norm for mmorpg writers.

[Angel Phoenix77]

Regarding spoilers, while actual hidden tags might not be used, perhaps an in text "SPOILER WARING" would compromise between a decent conversation and those that want to avoid spoilers? Also, I would think that once a conversation gets going, spoilers are assumed.

For instance, spoilers about STO follow:

Well, even if not every mission actually has an Undine in it, they are responsible for the war with the Klingons, which drives a lot of the lower arcs. Plus, they do appear in at least one or two Romulan missions - as a Starfleet admiral. The main point I'm trying to make is that even if they're not directly in a mission, they still influence events. And since the Undine were manipulated into disrupting the Alpha / Beta powers by the Iconians, by extension the entire game is about the Iconian war.

Of course, the STO story is a bit odd with the Iconian threat and Undine involvement. If you read "The needs of the Many," it's all about the Undine, who were clearly supposed to be the big bad before the Iconians were added.

Side note: I'm kind of disappointed that the Iconians are bad guys. The episode that introduced them was more about people with advanced technology being wrongly thought of as evil "demons," and to have them turn out to actually be evil is a bit of a downer.

You cannot rely on those two Fed. missions any longer, they are no longer in game. That is why I did mention them. I well also agree they have been involved in some mission. What I am getting at is the Iconians haven't really played a huge role.

[Joshex]

how to make hover board.

Get metal board, get an L shaped pole, connect pole to board pointing up, attach magnet at top of pole. j00 h45 hover board.

J00 jelly Codewalker?

how to youth rejuvenate.

Steal Get lots of money, buy a ranch, install theme park rides, invite children but not parents.

Observer their behaviors, observe their habits including eating and sleeping and hygiene. Logic says that if they do these things and they are young then you doing these things should make you young!

Use brain washign techniques to insert these thought patterns into your head. Now delete all memories of adulthood.

J00 is now youth Rejuvenated.

J00 Jelly MP3squints?

[darkgob]

You know what the absolute WORST thing about STO?  That it's the official holder of canon for the Trek universe.  All this stupid crap with the Undine and Iconions and constant war everywhere, is official. :(

Trek was NEVER EVER meant to be about wars... It was a show about exploring the galaxy. Gene would not be amused.

You can't really have an MMO built around "exploration".  I mean, you could probably make one, but you wouldn't get nearly the same audience.  Same reasoning behind any of the movies, really.

Also are you sure it's even considered canon?  I can't find anything to back that up.

[Twisted Toon]

Worst part of that movie is it is now 2015 and I don't have a Pit Bull hover board in my hands >:(

What's interesting is that October 21, 2015 is when Doc and Marty arrived in the "future" to fix things with Marty's kids.

Also, October 26th will mark the exact 30 year mark for Marty's day of embarkation for his temporal adventuring.

[Joshex]

You can't really have an MMO built around "exploration".  I mean, you could probably make one, but you wouldn't get nearly the same audience.  Same reasoning behind any of the movies, really.

Also are you sure it's even considered canon?  I can't find anything to back that up.

Que likes Star Wars so he did it as a joke. Can't understand why no one is laughing..

[GamingGlen]

Que likes Star Wars so he did it as a joke. Can't understand why no one is laughing..

I don't know why people have this Star Trek vs Star Wars thing.  I like them both.

[GamingGlen]

What's interesting is that October 21, 2015 is when Doc and Marty arrived in the "future" to fix things with Marty's kids.

Also, October 26th will mark the exact 30 year mark for Marty's day of embarkation for his temporal adventuring.

On my birthday.. not that it matters, I probably won't be going anywhere or anytime.

[LaughingAlex]

I tend to like star trek more than star wars, but I do like them both as well.  But I can see prefering one or the other.  Star trek is less magic and more science, and the technology used is more practical.  Star wars tends to suffer fantasy magic, in that it pushes suspension of disbelief more.  Heck, light sabres would, when you go by actual physics, likely melt the person using it, heat would radiate back.  Not to mention a lack of "feel" for a blade would be a problem.  Any lore saying a lot of physical strength is required to yield a light sabre has forgotten the physics of swords in general; you don't have to be a muscle guy to yield a sword effectively, it's velocity that matters, not raw power.

Do I still like the star wars series?  Yeah, episodes 4-6 though.  1-3?  Only 3 was any good and even then, had problems in character development, in that it was to "stepped".  Anakins mother dies and suddenly he goes berserk on sand people?  George could have made his descent into evil far more gradual than making him do one bad thing over his mother and then do only a couple more in revenge of the sith.  Anakin killing children could have been more accidental on his part as a driving force of insanity after he'd already committed some war crimes before.  With some worst than others.

Instead you had the equivilent of Anakin starting out with +1000 karma, one act and he's down to 0 karma, then the last one he's down to -1000 karma.  Rather than starting at +1000, then having a -100 karma, then a -150, then a -350 ect.

Edit: How I would have done it:  At first I'd have him come into a situation where he's forced to kill a prisoner not out of orders, but on accident.  A guy he was supposed to actually protect but his decision leads to the guys death.  It's his fault, course.  He'd have to shrug it off but it wouldn't be so easy.  I'd also have him witness some bad things that his side of the fight happen to shake him up a bit, with maybe clones shooting civilians on orders.

Course, he'd report the action and the council would be appalled, but they still have to have him doing his job as a Jedi.  He finds more clones being ordered to shoot the wrong people, which is over the line for him and THEN he'd fight them, forcing a mexican standoff.  But in the process a couple apprentices get killed trying to resolve it due to a miscommunication during the standoff.  A few who he got to know for a short time serving in the general vicinity.  The masters get especially upset with him, understandably, and to try and avoid any further incidents have Anakin investigate other incidents.

As his investigations go onwards and he discovers more corruption he begins forgetting he's a jedi, and eventually gets a whole slew of innocents killed trying to save a group of jedi.  He blames himself, develops PTSD, and finds it hard to have any incentive to follow his orders anymore.  He could I suppose have a friendship with the chancelor we know is the sith lord, but i'd have made it very clear he's a very damaged person long before actually becoming a sith lord himself.

On the way there though, he'd also do bad things he would not have done before without even realizing it.  Murdering a prisoner after he'd gotten those innocents killed would have been a good way of showing how much he'd changed over the course of time.  Then later blowing up a ship with a few high-profile hostages on it on orders from the chancellor without hesitation could also be a war crime.  Course, the Jedi council would start noticing that, to, and start 'betraying' him, which would cause him to brand them as traitors within moments due to his PTSD.

Last Edit: But it would NOT have been sudden and it would not have been such a black and white situation for him.

[Aggelakis]

I'm just trying to be considerate for others. Let's take Back to the Future, for example, which came out in 1985. To be sure, certain elements of it are ingrained in pop culture, and that's not really very spoilery (saying a "flux capacitor" allows you to travel through time at 88 mph is not so plot-relevant that it destroys the movie for viewers). But if someone born in 1988 (who is now 27 years old) which is three years after BttF came out decides they want to see it for the first time, shouldn't they be protected from spoilers? For me, it wouldn't be a huge deal, but what about for someone that does think spoilers are a big deal? I don't think it's very nice to say "lol too bad, the movie is 30 years old, should've seen it when it came out" when this hypothetical person was not able to do so.

No one is saying these hypothetical younglings should see it when it came out. That's stupid, and if you honestly think that's what we're saying, you need to get some reading comprehension classes under your belt. You can see a movie after it comes out, that's the whole point - that's why they make DVDs & digital downloads. We're all saying there is a grace period; after which, generally, spoilers don't apply anymore (unless it's part of an ongoing saga where spoiling something in one part spoils everything after that - but when the saga ends, the extended grace period also ends).

Also, someone who *does* think spoilers are a big deal shouldn't be on the internet, to be fair.

[Brigadine]

I hope Nexon buys NCsoft out. Nexon does sell MMOs. Navyfield 2 was developed by Nexon and sold to SDEnet upon finishing closed beta. Nexon sold a brand new unlaunched MMO that they even struck their own name from it. If Nexon will sell things like that without the right to even have it bear their logo, imagine what they would be willing to do with an ancient MMO like CoH. The buyout could help us.