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[GenericHero05]

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[Twisted Toon]

Everything that I have ever seen or heard about global warming/cooling/climate change dealt only with planet Earth. I would like an explanation as to how Humans are responsible for the warming/cooling/climate change on the other 7 (or 8 if you refuse to accept the scientific communities vote concerning whether Pluto is a planet or not) planets, and their associated moons, in the solar system.

If you can give me a good scientific reason as to how humans are responsible for that, then I'll believe that humans are completely, 100%, responsible for the climate change on Earth. Otherwise, I would suggest that you attempt to fine the various volcanoes around the world for dumping 1000x (or more; also a number pulled out of my left ear) green house gasses than humans ever have.

Call me a denier, if you wish. I would still like an explanation.

[darkgob]

1: the earth is in motion and there are no defined hemispheres except north and south which travel at the same pace int he same direction so by the cube theory you could technically say there's 1 day for each logitudinal country (aka time zones).

2: days are a concept of time, the recording of time was created by man, therefore man defines how it is recorded.

3: the daylight actually doesn't move, because it is projected from the sun which is stationary, it's earth that moves so the position of the daylight is technically changing only with our revolution around the sun so technically there are only a few set different solar days (365) a year as the angle of the projected day changes in accordance to our revolution around the sun, and our rotation doesn't change the fact that it is still the same solar day.

the cube theory is a concept of 'man created time' and is not relevant to true solar time.

Wow, I don't think I've actually seen someone sincerely argue against Time Cube before (to say nothing of validating it as a "theory").

[Rejolt]

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Damn it... somebody heal Mak and wake him up!

[rebel 1812]

So you say let the coorporations who only care about money to have the say?  :S

a straw man argument?  There is no difference between big government and big business.  Both are bureaucratic, political and anti-freedom.

[Joshex]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/07/climate-change-conservatives_n_6124028.html  Funny, proof of something I said earlier.

Truth is getting hurtful now, perhaps any climate discussion should be removed at this point?  Do you want me to bring the phosphorus out and really hurt both groups?  I'm sorry man but, that writing is so right-wing and blantly biased and tries to mix politics into the arguement as it has with that one.  Think i'll just, go play through the rest of spec ops now........

And is there anyone who wants to just remove the climate change posts from both sides?  The deniers will continue roaring beating their chests untill the other side gives up and anyone who does post anything to disprove them will find they just don't read the articles anyways and it's a huge derailment.

it may be right wing but it's true, global warming was created as a scam to get millions in research money, there were no scientists at the time and every time the organizer got more money he spun the lies further claiming it was scientific evidence that had been found. No one questioned him because he was and still is in Singapore (where he ran to evade being captured for fraud) as well as the fact that his millions of $'s bought out the media and Gov in support of his theory not to mention both the media and gov profit from it, it's a fear tactic and many politicians use it as a fund raiser for campaigns.

Science is no different than any other field. While the romantic view is of people who spend their lives trying to find out the truth of the universe, the fact is they are just as agenda driven due to money and egos as everything else.

Thankyou, you are absolutely 100% correct. People lie, it's terrible yes, but people do it, sometimes for money, sometimes for power, sometimes for glory, sometimes for attention, or sometimes just to save their worthless ass. People in positions of power or positions where their voice will be heard will have a heightened chance to be/become inherently corrupt. I am not in support of any political group any more, I am a non-partisan because I've had it with the lies from all sides, whats worse is some of their lies are being fored on us to believe as documented scientific fact or have made biases against The Truth and people are hurting because of it (if even because of the slow progress of technology, who knows it might have saved lives), politics and advocate groups pay scientists to falsify data or experiments to prove what they desire to be true, sometimes they pay scientists to challenge existing valid scientific research and dismiss it on nonscientific or pseudo-scientific grounds.


double standards.. everywhere.

Rant, rant, rant, blah, blah, blah ~ Joshex  :roll: ;D :o ??? :P

Spoiler for Hidden:

I often bring this up to prove the point,

Gravity we see it's effects, granted. but unlike the other forces gravity has not been actually proven, even Einstein theorized there were subatomic force particles and that gravity /HAD TO/ be there if it's a force (otherwise the model is wrong). Scientists have found magnetism, electromagnetism and electricity on this scale (in varying strengths), but not gravity.

The mythical 'Graviton'. It doesn't exist, they haven't found it in over 40 years of search but have found everything else, the model is wrong!

scientists argue: we see it's effects, therefore; gravity. We'll find it eventually, keep paying us to search.

In fact so much of the scientific model has gravity as a core component, that rather than trying to rethink the model excluding gravity, they stubbornly and with hostility and shame to anyone against it deny any change to it and claim it as a proven scientific fact.

Meanwhile there are lots of people who claim to have experienced or seen evidence (effects) of God, in fact there's a golden chariot wheel at the bottom of the red sea encased in just the right amount of years of coral to be real (along with other remnants of Pharaoh's army in a line) a sign of a legitimate miracle proving there was actually some supernatural or superior advanced being aiding the Hebrews escape from Egypt to divide the sea. and yet "therefore God" is mocked where "therefore gravity" is defended.

The fact is At This Time There /IS/ more physical evidence of God than there is of gravity (albeit 1 piece), however gravity is part of the scientific model and God is not accepted as any part of the model and is rejected as a factor for the Why?'s on the grounds that "innocent children die in Africa every day, why doesn't God help them? Christians die from cancer and wildfires and tornadoes ETC. too why didn't God Protect them?" any answer to these questions always comes with an immediate rebuttal based on personal interest *cue the whiny tone*"Noooooo~, I don't believe that, cause he's supposed to love everyone, that's a contradiction man!"

Beings have their reasons, for doing what they do, and not doing what they don't do.

It's like most psychological problems "there is no ONE reason why people are like that, it's different for everyone" Some starving African Children LIVE and some DIE those that die die because of CORRUPTION in MAN's governments that THEY RELIED on, Some Christians STRAY from God and God has said for centuries how he will PUNISH that ~ Delivery Of Death~, ~ Enjoy Your Order~.

Lol, sounds like something Lord Recluse would say "here's your delivery of Death, enjoy your order."

[Nebularian]

While I have an opinion on Climate Change...(just like everyone else LOL) I don't think this is the place for it.

It has been a while since I have checked in here...and I have to wade through all of THIS to try and find and update on where things stand with.....hmmm what is the topic of this thread?  Oh yes...CITY OF HEROES!


SO...what's going on?   what's the latest Scoop?

[Surelle]

While I have an opinion on Climate Change...(just like everyone else LOL) I don't think this is the place for it.

It has been a while since I have checked in here...and I have to wade through all of THIS to try and find and update on where things stand with.....hmmm what is the topic of this thread?  Oh yes...CITY OF HEROES!


SO...what's going on?   what's the latest Scoop?

I'd imagine when there's any concrete news for a final Yes or No either way, Team Hail Mary will make a new thread about it.   :)

[Joshex]

I'd imagine when there's any concrete news for a final Yes or No either way, Team Hail Mary will make a new thread about it.   :)

We need a thread about what lord recluse is currently doing and what he is preparing for the return of CoX

[GenericHero05]

Damn it... somebody heal Mak and wake him up!

LOL... Excellent!

[Ironwolf]

We need a thread about what lord recluse is currently doing and what he is preparing for the return of CoX

Recluse is working with Nate Downes (who may be Nemesis secretly) to plan how to take over the new game once it is started.

[Sinistar]

Recluse is working with Nate Downes (who may be Nemesis secretly) to plan how to take over the new game once it is started.

Should be easy since Statesman is no longer around to counter Recluse's power.

[Joshex]

Should be easy since Statesman is no longer around to counter Recluse's power.

Statesmanicus! "I'm statesmanicus!" "no I'm statesmanicus!" +20k others -reference, Sparticus and the gladiator revolt.

[Minotaur]

Statesmanicus! "I'm statesmanicus!" "no I'm statesmanicus!" +20k others -reference, Sparticus and the gladiator revolt.

And this is why you should always give your name as Spartacus in Starbucks.

[BadWolf]

Everything that I have ever seen or heard about global warming/cooling/climate change dealt only with planet Earth. I would like an explanation as to how Humans are responsible for the warming/cooling/climate change on the other 7 (or 8 if you refuse to accept the scientific communities vote concerning whether Pluto is a planet or not) planets, and their associated moons, in the solar system.

If you can give me a good scientific reason as to how humans are responsible for that, then I'll believe that humans are completely, 100%, responsible for the climate change on Earth. Otherwise, I would suggest that you attempt to fine the various volcanoes around the world for dumping 1000x (or more; also a number pulled out of my left ear) green house gasses than humans ever have.

Call me a denier, if you wish. I would still like an explanation.

I'm sorry, is this a joke? It's kind of running afoul of Poe's Law here, if it is.

[Ironwolf]

I'm sorry, is this a joke? It's kind of running afoul of Poe's Law here, if it is.

I think he is pointing out as I did earlier that there was also climate change (warming) on the other planets at the same time as we were warming. It would seem to point to a single cause. I did try to get a response from NASA on the timing of the warming however - they did not reply back to my emails.

I also wanted a report on current climate changes on Mars and Venus as if they are also cooling now it tends to support my theory. I will try and do some research and find some white papers on this - if I do I will be sure to open another thread in General and I will note the changes whether they support me or not. I think people if given the facts can make their own decisions.

[skoogmik]

As you noted before, Ironwolf,, the sun spot cycle is decreasing in magnitude. Weather or not this change is the main driver of  global temperature will be proven (or disproved) in the next two decades, if this change in solar activity remains at this level or continues to decease.  Since over the last century, both CO2 and sun spot activity both increased as the world's global average temperature increased, how much of that warming can be attributed to CO2 and how much comes from the sun is a point of argument.

We are currently in the middle of a test (due to deceased solar activity) of what causes changes in the global temperature.

A good source of global temperate averages is HadCrut4. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
Please notice the leveling out of the temperature rise at the end of the graphs.

I generally don't consider NASA a good source of temperature data.  Over the last 2 decades, I've noticed that the NASA group the deals with world temperature frequently release their graphs and then 6 months to a year later, they adjust their temperature rise data downwards.

On ocean ice coverage, look at:
For the Arctic: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/, http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/  and http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

The nsidc (a different NASA group) I've included because of the graph showing October ice coverage that shows a general decease of Arctic ice.

For Antarctic:
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

This graph shows a general increase in Antarctic ice.

Both these graphs are based upon satellite data.

There a lot of politics associated with this subject.  A good site about this is http://judithcurry.com/.  She is pro-global warming, but is willing to talk to the other side. 

So, as a parting picture, I give you this: http://www.john-daly.com/NP1987.jpg

Have Fun.
     

[Super Firebug]

Years ago, when the climate advocates were screeching about the melting ice caps, I distinctly recall seeing the news talking about the fact that the ice caps were also melting on Mars. Given that Mars orbits about twice as far from the sun as we do, and that our carbon emissions can't possibly be travelling that far, it's blatant that the sun has far more effect on Earth's climate than man does. But I don't recall the climate advocates even acknowledging the fact of Mars' melting polar caps. That sort of intellectual dishonesty only convinces me that they don't care about facts, and that it's only political.

[Greyfairer]

Dear Ironwolf and Laughing Alex,
It is good that you guys are interested in issues that are extremely important politically. 
I enjoy reading this blog for dreams of a lost game. 
Since I teach Physics, Climatology, and Earth Science, and I was once an Environmental Engineer, I am inundated with these arguments every day and I don't wish to see them on here. 
I would suggest that you continue this discussion on one of the many blogs that specializes in Climate Science.  If you want a blog that includes all the reference pages to the data at their source, will not delete your comments because they are from the wrong political view, and includes a lot of input from engineers and physicists, just go to the wattsupwiththat blog and carry on.  I would especially encourage Laughing Alex to peruse this site, learn a lot about thermo and process control, and really study the ocean/atmosphere interactions with reference to positive and negative feedback.  Alas, Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Disruption or whatever we call it now is a flat out religion, and people who believe that it is from CO2 emitted by humans are not going to stop believing it no matter how desperate their arguments get.  The hypothesis that CO2 has caused the bulk of the warming since 1880 was falsified 20 ways from Sunday years ago.  Just stop it.  Stop trying to invoke water vapor as a positive feedback.  Methane as a positive feedback.   Yes, the Earth has warmed significantly since 1880.  Yes, it has not warmed in 15+ years.  Yes, it has cooled since 1200, yes, it has warmed since -15,000.  It is cooler than the medieval warm period, the roman warm period, etc.
Having said that, Ironwolf, be glad you are not having the winters of the late sixties or 76-77.  Be very glad we aren't having the winters of the 30's. And be very, very glad that we are much warmer than we were in the middle of the little ice-age.
Thanks,
The Greyfairer.

[Rigo42]

I really like city of heroes, how about everyone else?