New efforts!

[chuckv3]

OK, I've mostly been just skimming for the past couple of weeks, so please forgive me if this has already been brought up, but something occurred to me:

The going theory seems to be: get the game, open the game as it exists (whatever state that may be), and work on CoH2 with the proceeds from CoH: Maintenance Mode, REJOICE! That's fine.I'm on board.

Here's my concern: Many people (OK, Posi and a couple of folks at Paragon, and at least one RedName over at current Cryptic) have said that a villains' side isn't/wasn't profitable. Granted, I spent most of my time on blue side. It wasn't by much, though, and my first 50 was a corruptor from before Going Rouge. (Yeah, I spelled it that way on purpose!) I enjoyed red side as much as blue side, even though I was working one moving some characters from one side to the other. Or, maybe because of that, towards The End.

Point being, those of us who love red side need to really step up and show it, once the game is back up, so that the new dev team has financial incentive, as well as emotional, to include red side in CoH2. Realistically, I see 2 rolling out in a similar fashion to 1, although red side is more likely to be an Issue than it is a stand alone expansion, like before. If too large a majority of us are out there helping little old ladies cross the street and not raising a ruckus and causing, well, mayhem, then, from a business perspective, they may have to prioritize resources elsewhere.

And we, can't have, that, now, can we?

</shatnercomma>

Also, I now hate this person just a little bit...

Well, the simplest way to do CoH2 is to just update the graphics for the client side, and leave everything else alone. That means you'd have all the same content, combat, playability, and it would just LOOK way better. Personally, that would be what I would do if it were me buying the thing. Then after that, start adding new content...

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

last fight of the STF. Lord Recluse..having an emp on that one was useful sometimes. He hit like a ton of bricks until you got a couple of towers down

Emps were also awesome for the fight with Ghost Widow. It's not that Empathy's heals aren't useful, far from it, but building one specifically around healing instead of buffing and more general team support makes it a fair bit less than optimal about 99% of the time. Most of that remaining 1% would be Hamidon and Mothership raids.

[LaughingAlex]

Emps were also awesome for the fight with Ghost Widow. It's not that Empathy's heals aren't useful, far from it, but building one specifically around healing instead of buffing and more general team support makes it a fair bit less than optimal about 99% of the time. Most of that remaining 1% would be Hamidon and Mothership raids.

Thats kind of the case here, even then it really depends on the team though.  A team with a really high damage output could destroy the two critical towers fast enough to avoid the tanker needing some healing from anyone else.

[Fanta]

Emps were also awesome for the fight with Ghost Widow. It's not that Empathy's heals aren't useful, far from it, but building one specifically around healing instead of buffing and more general team support makes it a fair bit less than optimal about 99% of the time. Most of that remaining 1% would be Hamidon and Mothership raids.

You made me think of the times I ran my mind/rad on STF, and if we pulled all the AV's at once I would sleep them :D Then take them down, one by one.

[chuckv3]

Emps were also awesome for the fight with Ghost Widow. It's not that Empathy's heals aren't useful, far from it, but building one specifically around healing instead of buffing and more general team support makes it a fair bit less than optimal about 99% of the time. Most of that remaining 1% would be Hamidon and Mothership raids.

Emps on a good team are more buff-bots and bonus blasters, with the heals thrown in when someone bites off a little too much, or as Nyx pointed out, when even the best tanker is taking a beating from a grossly overpowered bad guy (which was rare). I think Empathy/Energy took the most concentration and fast reaction times of anything I played. When it was really deep, I hardly even looked at the enemies because I was too busy watching the team icons to see who needed what next, and then speeding around trying to get line of sight on someone for a buff or heal. fun, fun fun. I cannot wait to do it again. Granted, if I did see another squishy taking too much heat, having attacks with knockback actually helped defense.

Yeah, on way too many PUGS I felt like I had no time to do anything but heal, and that got really boring really fast.

[gypsyav]

/EPIC FACEPALM

There 'ya go.

That was EXACTLY my point.

I will say it again... If today's AVERAGE video card (standard is around 2-3 GBs) is double to triple what the Unreal 4 engine's "recommended" system requirements (for video memory) are... Then in two to three years when this dev team finishes a CoH 2, I don't think we'll have a problem with video memory. This is (again) going off of Codewalker's comment "I hope you have plenty of video RAM."

Why? When average systems can run exactly what that screenshot had in it... What would be the problem? Does anyone really think that in 2 to 4 years there would be a massive problem with people running something built on the Unreal 4 engine because they have poor video RAM specs? In 2-4 years from now, the "average" computer user will have double the amount of video ram. In 2-4 years, there will possibly even be an Unreal engine 5. In 2-4 years, I don't think we'll be hearing someone say "I hope you have plenty of video RAM" when someone's talking about firing up CoH 2 with graphics that (hopefully) look like what that screenshot had.

Actually in 2-4 years most people will have the exact same computer they have today. Only hard core gamers and a small percentage of other computer users upgrade before the card goes out these days. These days people are keeping their computers longer before upgrading. It's one of the reason's the industry is seeing a downward trend in sales.

[Fanta]

Actually in 2-4 years most people will have the exact same computer they have today. Only hard core gamers and a small percentage of other computer users upgrade before the card goes out these days. These days people are keeping their computers longer before upgrading. It's one of the reason's the industry is seeing a downward trend in sales.

It's actually said to be leveling off. I'd bet a good deal the reason PC sales are, the way they are, is that many people build their own these days.

[Mistress Urd]

My emp defender was emp/rad, I had 4 attacks from rad which was plenty.

[gypsyav]

All this talk of cards and technical specs. A few years ago, I was going to buy a laptop. I wanted to get the lowest-priced one that would still run CoX well, but I had trouble comparing CoX's listed minimum graphics-card requirements with what the computers had in the stores. Neither major manufacturer numbered their cards in a way that made any sort of order evident, that I could tell, especially with differences between discrete graphics cards, built-in graphics chips, and laptop versions. I'm NOT looking forward to trying to decode all of that again. Is there a website that explains this? Or maybe has a list of card models sorted by capability or something? (For Red Dwarf fans, I need it explained in a way that LISTER can understand.)

Here you go http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

[sindyr]

Actually in 2-4 years most people will have the exact same computer they have today. Only hard core gamers and a small percentage of other computer users upgrade before the card goes out these days. These days people are keeping their computers longer before upgrading. It's one of the reason's the industry is seeing a downward trend in sales.

I work as a self-employed computer consultant, helping homes and small businesses with the technology and computers. Been doing this for over a decade (three decades in one sense or another.)

A lot of people buy super cheap computers, $500 specials. Most people wind up having to replace them in 2-3 years.

People who buy in the sweet spot of price vs obsolence protection STILL wind up having to replace them in 3-5 years.

So 2-4 years is right about the time you would expect to NOT see them in the same computer. This isn't theory, this is data and experience speaking.

[Mistress Urd]

Actually in 2-4 years most people will have the exact same computer they have today. Only hard core gamers and a small percentage of other computer users upgrade before the card goes out these days. These days people are keeping their computers longer before upgrading. It's one of the reason's the industry is seeing a downward trend in sales.

Well, Windows 8 didn't exactly help matters when 7 worked perfectly fine.

[Fanta]

Well, Windows 8 didn't exactly help matters when 7 worked perfectly fine.

Yep, I'll be sticking with 7 for a good bit longer.

[Fanta]

I work as a self-employed computer consultant, helping homes and small businesses with the technology and computers. Been doing this for over a decade (three decades in one sense or another.)

A lot of people buy super cheap computers, $500 specials. Most people wind up having to replace them in 2-3 years.

People who buy in the sweet spot of price vs obsolence protection STILL wind up having to replace them in 3-5 years.

So 2-4 years is right about the time you would expect to NOT see them in the same computer. This isn't theory, this is data and experience speaking.

This goes back to what AlienOne was saying about UE. Given the current requirements for the engine, even if they ported it today, mid ranged cards(2 to 3 gig) will still be able to run it at very capable frame rates two years from now. I still hold out that higher resolutions may change memory demands.

Point is, you won't need to upgrade to play the game if you could before.

[Golden Girl]

OK, I've mostly been just skimming for the past couple of weeks, so please forgive me if this has already been brought up, but something occurred to me:

The going theory seems to be: get the game, open the game as it exists (whatever state that may be), and work on CoH2 with the proceeds from CoH: Maintenance Mode, REJOICE! That's fine.I'm on board.

Here's my concern: Many people (OK, Posi and a couple of folks at Paragon, and at least one RedName over at current Cryptic) have said that a villains' side isn't/wasn't profitable. Granted, I spent most of my time on blue side. It wasn't by much, though, and my first 50 was a corruptor from before Going Rouge. (Yeah, I spelled it that way on purpose!) I enjoyed red side as much as blue side, even though I was working one moving some characters from one side to the other. Or, maybe because of that, towards The End.

Point being, those of us who love red side need to really step up and show it, once the game is back up, so that the new dev team has financial incentive, as well as emotional, to include red side in CoH2. Realistically, I see 2 rolling out in a similar fashion to 1, although red side is more likely to be an Issue than it is a stand alone expansion, like before. If too large a majority of us are out there helping little old ladies cross the street and not raising a ruckus and causing, well, mayhem, then, from a business perspective, they may have to prioritize resources elsewhere.

That was partly down to the design decision to segregate the factions in their own worlds - something DCUO chose not to do, even though they could have made heroic and villainous versions of Metropolis and Gotham if they'd wanted to follow the CoH design - and it's interesting to see that Kallisti Wharf was being planned as a shared zone, where heroes and villains would have their own separate stories and missions, but occupy the same world space, which was following on from Praetoria also being shared between its factions, so although we can't be totally sure, I think that the design direction was moving towards making all new zones shared in an effort to minimize the problem they created with CoV when they chose to split the factions into their own areas.

For the Heroes and Villains project, Titan City is being designed right from the start to be shared by all the alignments, with an equal amount of content for each of them.

[microc]

be carefull with laptop and gpu for pc. a lot of them today are just re numbers older cards with slightly higher speed bump. on intel cpu why the sales are sluggish is the sandy bridge cpu to the newer haswell cpu there not much of a speed bump. (also does not help when intel and amd kill off mb cpu slots under a year. 1155/1150 and now there going with skylake 1151 pin mb.

[HEATSTROKE]

It's also important to NCSoft because if they sell rights to the game to a company that can't run it, that company may go bankrupt. At that point, the rights might be sold to another party in a bankruptcy sale, which (depending on how the initial sale was structured) may complicate any future efforts to resurrect the game. The last thing NCSoft wants--the last thing any of us wants--is for a bad team to get in charge of the game and FUBAR it to the point where it's too tangled up in red tape to ever be relaunched. That's why this due diligence phase is important, and why I'm not at all upset that all parties involved are taking the time to make sure it's done right.

bingo...

[AlienOne]

I think 4k is just a marketing gimmick.

It absolutely is.

Side note: I just saw the movie "Lucy"... Pretty cool movie! The biggest thing I got out of it: If we are that good with special effects these days, I demand to see a really cool superhero movie based around someone like Phoenix! We have too many guy superhero headliners--Luc Besson just pulled off a good one with a woman headlining it... :D

[HEATSTROKE]

DOMINATORS !!!!!!!!


that is all.....

[Zombie Hustler]

I was wondering...  Do you think that Devs set up trials/raids/whatever the cool kids are calling them these days with a "This is how you have to beat it!" plan in mind?  Do you think that with COH, it was, "You have to take down the big guy (AVOID THE GREEN STUFF!).  How you do that is up to you."  Or was it, "This is how *I* as a Dev would beat it, but the players are crafty and will figure out other ways."?

As I recall, it was more the latter. I also seem to recall one or more of the devs noting on the forums that they'd changed up Hamidon a couple of times in response to players' innovative methods of defeating it that they hadn't foreseen when they created that raid.

[Fanta]

It absolutely is.

Side note: I just saw the movie "Lucy"... Pretty cool movie! The biggest thing I got out of it: If we are that good with special effects these days, I demand to see a really cool superhero movie based around someone like Phoenix! We have too many guy superhero headliners--Luc Besson just pulled off a good one with a woman headlining it... :D

Hey, AlienOne, my eyes are up here! .......................Says:Lucy