New efforts!

[FloatingFatMan]

^ Quite a lot of assumptions in there.

You know what they say about those, right? ;)

[Ironwolf]

I really shouldn't post in the middle of the night....but I'll stand by what I said.

and I'll expand a bit, because when you're in a hole the BEST thing you can do is did deeper. 

So even if the deal is finalized TODAY...

There's no hosting in place (easiest thing to solve)
No business plan in place (I'll assume its being worked on).

I've seen mention of having a beta, I'm sure with developers that aren't familiar with the code it'll be fun.  I seem to recall Castle mentioning (or Posi?) what a mess it (the code) was to work on.   Service will need to be operationalized, with a 24/7 support staff (even if only on call).  At first I'm sure only having the game up for 12 hours a day is better than 0 hours a day, but to grow your customer base they'll expect 24/7 except for scheduled outages.

I've seen Ironwolf back pedaling already, almost like he's conditioning people for failure (the new devs will go from heroes to goats, we're not sure if we'll use I23, I24 or CoH 2...).  The he says I23 WHILE they work on CoH2.  How many of the die hard fans have already left?  How many are willing to come back?  The engine was looking LONG in the tooth 2 years ago, time won't be kind to it. 

Between Marvel and DC flooding the movie market with comic book movies the comic book entertainment verse is looking to get flooded.  About the only saving grace I can think of is that the Marvel/DC game offerings have been relatively weak. 

Dismiss me as a troll and a baiter if you want...but I played the game shortly after release and I was in Atlas Park as the anti-matter wave ripped through.  I paid for an account when I didn't play, when it went Free to Play, I kept my paid account active.

I am not backpedaling. If you have read the posts as information comes out I modify the status. I won't attack you or call you a troll or delete your posts. There is a team working on a deal, they are competent and are proving that right now to NCSoft. If you need verification of whether what I am telling you is honest - send an email to Tony V. He is aware of who is making the effort. Once everything is done you will understand why I could not say.

I have left my personal contact information, Heatstroke independantly verified through a personal contact of his that a deal for the game is in the works. I have passed the information to Maressa who works for http://www.mmogames.com/gamearticles/10-things-miss-10th-anniversary-city-heroes/ and she has all the details - I just asked her to contact the team directly and please let them decide if they would like anything printed in the press.

I guess you can deny these efforts are taking place but I have been as up front as it is possible to be. I have left my personal information for the world to see. I would be risking my reputation as a knight of the SCA and my credibility here and in the game. I ask others to not attack you and please have some patience. I welcome your questions and will try and answer your doubts to the fullest extent of my ability.

[sindyr]

*I* think that the REAL conspiracy here is that there are a certain few individuals that, without CoX to play, are instead playing the game of "let's see how fast we can level this thread".

With our page count slowing down as of late, they may be getting nervous...

400 here we come!!

[Burnt Toast]

Giggles @ FFM.




An0nemus:
Speaking of back pedaling.. you went from "This is BS" to "I don't see a plan for this that and another..." which is a huge difference (back pedaling) than saying this whole thing is BS :)


Just because we don't see the plans...doesn't mean there are not any plans. I never saw the original code, but I'm pretty sure it existed...I never saw Paragon's business model discussions, but I'm pretty sure they had some :)


Maybe instead of calling things BS you should just wait for more details instead of assuming that there is not anything in place. It's one to thing to speculate on WHAT the plans are, but kind of silly to speculate that there are no plans already in place. The team did not approach NCSoft by saying give us the game we gots money... I am sure they have a VERY specific plan on almost everything ... considering they want to make it profitable so they can get their money back :)


I'm all for dissent when it is backed by logic...and not just to be disagreeable.

^ Quite a lot of assumptions in there.

You know what they say about those, right? ;)

[Goddangit]

Tub Chi: yes there is a new business in town that we can extort protection money from.  Go out and show this Surge.
Minion: Serge, sir
Tub Chi: whatever. Go out and show this Serge guy what it takes to run a business in our city.
20 mins later
Beat up minion: it was horrible Sir.  The violence.. the horror.
Tub Chi: Serge did this to you?!?
BUM: we went there like you said to explain things to him.  He said he needed a bit to think, so we stepped outside...and that's when the heroes showed up.  They're hunting everyone down.... I saw Bob go to the hospital and when he walked out he was jumped again by a hero yelling what sounded like "Daddy needs a new pair of tights"
Tub Chi: wait... what does this guy sell again?

Haha!  Not a Tsoo to be found... At least not for more than a few seconds.  :)

^ Quite a lot of assumptions in there.

You know what they say about those, right? ;)

To quote Sam Jackson from Long Kiss Goodnight, When you make an assumption, "...you make an ass out of you and umption!"  :)

[Ironwolf]

I missed a part - the code is likely not going to be "worked" developed past Issue 24.

Some of the tools to do so were custom made and not in NCSoft's posession. What would be possible is to run the game at Issue 24 and continue development on CoH 2 using the UnReal4 engine. I think you are seeing some of the posts and reading into them what you want to see. Due to NCSoft linking game accounts across all of their stable of games - account information is highly unlikely to be recovered, it also is information that is 2 years old and many emails and credit information have changed.

The character information is possible but the main point now is NCSoft asked the team to prove they are technically able to run the game. Once that is finished then further bargaining will happen. You can take a seat and heckle if you like but it won't stop me. I know where it all rests right now and either way you will hear what is happening.

[FloatingFatMan]

I don't want to heckle.  I want to buy the team donuts just for -trying- for us all!

Edit: Hmm.. Y'know... That's not a bad idea...

[Serpine]

^ Quite a lot of assumptions in there.

You know what they say about those, right? ;)

http://xkcd.com/1339/

[Ironwolf]

Oh, I forgot this one:

As a previous employee of Paragon, I would be interested in reaching out to whoever you are working with to purchase the rights of CoH from NCsoft.

Thanks,
Vince D'Amelio
"Dark Watcher"

Vince did contact the team and that is how they know more about how the game was administered. I know in this day and age people want to jump around and take credit for stuff - I just want the game back. To their great credit - everyone I have asked to keep the information on the team quiet - has done so!

If you have any more questions please post them!

Edit: I really need to stop posting while working on other stuff. Members of the original TF Hail Mary are working with the team. The plan was worked up over a 3 week period from March 13th - April 5th, again with assistance of some of the original team.

[AlienOne]

I missed a part - the code is likely not going to be "worked" developed past Issue 24.

Some of the tools to do so were custom made and not in NCSoft's posession. What would be possible is to run the game at Issue 24 and continue development on CoH 2 using the UnReal4 engine. I think you are seeing some of the posts and reading into them what you want to see. Due to NCSoft linking game accounts across all of their stable of games - account information is highly unlikely to be recovered, it also is information that is 2 years old and many emails and credit information have changed.

The character information is possible but the main point now is NCSoft asked the team to prove they are technically able to run the game. Once that is finished then further bargaining will happen. You can take a seat and heckle if you like but it won't stop me. I know where it all rests right now and either way you will hear what is happening.

Thanks for your efforts... Don't let anyone with doubts get you upset. While it's understandable to get upset at people who have doubts, it's also just as understandable for someone to have doubts in the first place, considering the circumstances of this game's shutdown (as well as the attachment people had to their characters and the community as a whole).

What should hopefully help everyone out here who are less likely to freely give out their trust is the fact that you are just as passionate about this game as we all are.

And, that's encouraging.

[MM3squints]

I don't want to heckle.  I want to buy the team donuts just for -trying- for us all!

Edit: Hmm.. Y'know... That's not a bad idea...

Ill buy the coffee for them. Since Starbucks or Coffee bean won't deliver. I can just sent a bag of beans xD

[AlienOne]

I can just sent a bag of beans xD

Magic beans?

[Ezuka]

Has anyone from the old Paragon team had anything to say about the potential relaunch? I know they all have busy jobs working elsewhere now, but if the new team gets the game, I wonder if any of the old team members could point the new guys in the right direction if any issues arise from getting new servers up.

Edit: Oh wow, weird timing on Ironwolf posting that!

[FloatingFatMan]

Ill buy the coffee for them. Since Starbucks or Coffee bean won't deliver. I can just sent a bag of beans xD

/em Starts to figure out the logistics of buying people in the US donuts from the UK...

[umber]

Dismiss me as a troll and a baiter if you want...

OK :)

Seriously, I don't consider it a troll but for the life of me I'm not sure *what* the purpose of the post is supposed to be.  To this reader your posting comes across as assuming the worst for no other reason than to rain on everyone else's parade.  That's not quite trolling but its pretty close, some people seem to derive entertainment out of being the Debbie Downer in the room, all the while believing they are making the more realistic evaluations than everyone else when they're actually making the more extreme assumptions. 

I will say this, there are people in this thread on the opposite side of the coin who are making wildly *optimistic* assumptions towards the game's potential relaunch.  If you think "CoH Reloaded" is going to open its doors in August 1st, with all your account information still present, all your L50s back, all your vet awards and billions of inf, just like it was the day they closed the game... you're probably in for some disappointment, unfortunately. 

But its hard for this CoHer not to be a little optimistic.  Things are definitely looking better right now than they were a year ago, we've gone from No Hope At All to potentially re-opening CoH and at least a couple of viable CoH2 projects floating around.  Could all of these projects fail to coalesce?  Possibly.  But even the multiple chances of success is better than what we in very recent memory.   I would say there is a need for "cautious optimism" at this stage.

[Solitaire]

Oh, I forgot this one:

As a previous employee of Paragon, I would be interested in reaching out to whoever you are working with to purchase the rights of CoH from NCsoft.

Thanks,
Vince D'Amelio
"Dark Watcher"

Vince did contact the team and that is how they know more about how the game was administered. I know in this day and age people want to jump around and take credit for stuff - I just want the game back. To their great credit - everyone I have asked to keep the information on the team quiet - has done so!

If you have any more questions please post them!

In a nut shell, just want the game back, not bothered about ney sayers  ;)

[Solitaire]

/em Starts to figure out the logistics of buying people in the US donuts from the UK...

Fedex  ;)

[FloatingFatMan]

That's not quite unicorning

Just as an aside, I've seen the phrase a lot recently and didn't know what it meant, so I just Googled it.

Now I wish I'd stayed ignorant! :p

[MM3squints]

/em Starts to figure out the logistics of buying people in the US donuts from the UK...

Oh my, Starbucks and Coffee Bean won't do it, but Dunkin Donuts will!

http://shop.dunkindonuts.com/subscription/

[Ironwolf]

Thanks for your efforts... Don't let anyone with doubts get you upset. While it's understandable to get upset at people who have doubts, it's also just as understandable for someone to have doubts in the first place, considering the circumstances of this game's shutdown (as well as the attachment people had to their characters and the community as a whole).

What should hopefully help everyone out here who are less likely to freely give out their trust is the fact that you are just as passionate about this game as we all are.

And, that's encouraging.

I honestly don't get upset. Things are moving slowly right now and so the doubts set in. This is a seige and not a simple over-the-counter purchase. The folks involved want the game back as well. We are trying and if it fails it will not be due to lack of effort on the teams part.