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[China Doll]

They're being the bully in this situation if they insist on dangling doom over our heads unless we all sit down and shut up.

I personally don't like bullies, but sometimes u need to do things u don't want to do to get what u want

[Wyrm]

My apology's to all, you are right of course, I am just finding it hard to read allot of these posts claiming misunderstood NCSoft.
Business or personal on there end doesn't matter to me cause it was all personal to me and im still hurting.

That is a fair and honest response.  I think we've all been there/are still there to some extent.

Keep hoping for the best.  My regular play group was stunned when I told them that I put a greater than zero probability on this plan actually getting our game back, because for over a year I've been pretty vocal about believing that it just couldn't happen. 

Now, I have hope.

[CoyoteSeven]

Actually, since we aren't a direct party to these negotiations, they aren't dangling doom over anyone's head.  They're doing business with someone, and we're interested 3rd parties.  Being a bully in this case would be them being unreasonable in the negotiations, which from what we can tell they aren't.  They're skittish, and already have seen first hand just how vicious and brutal aspects of this community are willing to be if they aren't satisfied.  Think of it this way: if doing the transaction won't net them enough to justify the headaches, hassle, and general ill-will that keeps heading their way, what responsible business person would continue?  We, as a vocal consumer base, can have ENORMOUS power...we have to decide if we want to use it to help the sale, which would mean quieting down for a little while, or to appease our own hurt feelings and bellicose natures.  Personally, I don't want my issues with NC Soft to impact these OTHER people's dealings with NC Soft.  I'd feel that way if it wasn't about CoX, and I certainly feel that way about it when it IS.  At this point, the ball is in our court.  Are we going to be heroes, and do the right thing?  Or are we going to be Jason Todd, and deserve a crowbar from the Joker?

Of all the arguments I've heard so far, "won't someone think of the poor billionaires" isn't one that's particularly endearing to me. I'm more left leaning than Oliver Queen. They got all the gold, so they make all the rules. If they're not gonna sell the game because of rumblings from the plebeians, they're just using us as an easy excuse. I assure you, the only thing they ever liked about us was our money from subscriptions and microtransactions. Now, they just wish they could be rid of us.

Well tell you what, NCSoft. You sell City of Heroes lock, stock and barrel. You'll be rid of us proles forever! Hallelujah!

[HEATSTROKE]

Well tell you what, NCSoft. You sell City of Heroes lock, stock and barrel. You'll be rid of us proles forever! Hallelujah!

and this might be a part of the issue.. it might not be that simple..

[btru]

I have always been of the idea the separate whats business and personal, unfortunately their business hurt us personally. But I also believe when in doubt its just better to have faith in people and NCSoft does consist of...well people. This could be considered an olive branch all around so why not just sit back and hope for the best.

[CoyoteSeven]

and this might be a part of the issue.. it might not be that simple..

No really it could be that simple. It's only complicated because they wish to make it that way.  And now they got us fretting and bickering with each other to be quiet or else they might take their ball home with them again. As I said, the one with all the gold makes the rules.

[JKPhage]

I felt that the Gravity Powerset lacked soft controls on shorter timers. I would have liked to see something like an Anti Gravity field.. like an Ice Slick..  that knocks foes upward..  I would have liked the single target hold to be more like Ghost Widows Soul Storm power which lifts they and twirls them around.. possible doing some DoT because its crushing them..

I did finally get a nice Grav/Time controller which I enjoyed and I wanted to try a Grav/Dark Dominator..

The Gravity single target hold DID cause some smashing damage over time. I'll agree that if it had a similar animation to Soul Storm it would have been WAY cooler looking though. Small things to toss in the suggestion box for COH2.

I never did get around to re-rolling him, but I had a character who was inspired by The Time-Traveler's Wife, just a normal, unassuming guy, who was in just the wrong spot one day and became host to an entity from beyond space-time. Spent a few decades bouncing around through time and space before he landed in Paragon and found a way to anchor himself there thanks to Ouroboros making it something of a converging point for timelines and Portal Corp for dimensions. He was a Grav/Kinetics controller and it worked really well. He could freeze enemies in place, summon random objects from thin air, make himself and his team mates move/heal at super speed, slow his enemies to a crawl, all that fun stuff. It really fit the concept. I considered making him a Grav/Time when it was released but somehow it just didn't have the right synergy compared to Kinetics. Dark/Time on the other hand... That combo looked FANTASTIC together when colored to match and made for a very effective combo.

[Felderburg]

We caused a lot of pressure on the first sale effort and that pressure hurt the negotiations. The team now is saying this is what NCSoft does not want to happen again.

What are you calling the first sale? I thought that the "first" sale was when the game was "one signature away" from being sold to Paragon Studios. That deal fell through, and then we learned about the shut down, and later, about that potential sale. So it obviously wasn't hurt by any commentary, because no one knew about it to comment on it. Other than that... what efforts were there? The hail mary pitches to Disney and Google? From your second post:

A company did offer to buy the IP and NCSoft was willing to sell it for very little. However they wanted to keep the game engine rights. The company decided the IP without the engine wasn't what they wanted.

I hadn't heard about that until you posted it. So I just don't understand at all how any commentary, here or on Facebook, could have derailed it, if: 1. The company decided they didn't want what NCsoft offered, and 2. no one knew about it.

So far, all you (Ironwolf) have said is that the commentary is somehow affecting negotiations. There are lots of theories as to why, and some make sense, but do you (Ironwolf) have a concrete and verified reason as to why? I hope my tone isn't confrontational, I just want to know why, because I seriously don't understand it at all.

[hufish]

Of all the arguments I've heard so far, "won't someone think of the poor billionaires" isn't one that's particularly endearing to me. I'm more left leaning than Oliver Queen. They got all the gold, so they make all the rules. If they're not gonna sell the game because of rumblings from the plebeians, they're just using us as an easy excuse. I assure you, the only thing they ever liked about us was our money from subscriptions and microtransactions. Now, they just wish they could be rid of us.

Well tell you what, NCSoft. You sell City of Heroes lock, stock and barrel. You'll be rid of us proles forever! Hallelujah!

Not asking you to think of the "poor billionaires".  Just asking you to understand that the corporate bigwig, or even medium wig, involved in this decision is a human being, potentially NOT a billionaire, who has in addition to the standard 'make me money' directive, a directive of 'and don't let me be insulted' coming from his boss...who is informed by a VERY different culture than ours in the States.   And if they just wanted to be rid of us...we wouldn't be hearing ANYTHING about CoH, because they'd have washed their hands of it 2 years ago.  They didn't.  They're still willing to sell it.  And really, who THEY are has no bearing on our side of the street; who are we?  Are we people who can govern our own hearts and thoughts, or are we impulse-driven semi-sapients who can't see beyond our bruised egos and missing dreams?  Them not wanting to be attacked is no less important because we don't like them or they have tons of money.  If we want something from them, we have to be willing to give something...and all they seem to want from US at this point is not to rip them a new one for every move they make.  They don't owe us this.  Not by their standards, and honestly not by ours.  We aren't entitled to it.  This is them doing right by us, as best they can...from what we've actually heard from people in the information pipeline.  Let them, and then be done with them as you choose.  Or attack them, and take from the rest of us what we're clinging to...hope.

On another note, I really wish I'd done more with the grav sets.  I hope to get a chance to do more with them in the near-ish future!  I did love getting to huck the occasional kitchen sink at someone.  I'm thinking the control sets might be even more appealing to me than my blasters, at this point. :D

[CoyoteSeven]

So far, all you (Ironwolf) have said is that the commentary is somehow affecting negotiations. There are lots of theories as to why, and some make sense, but do you (Ironwolf) have a concrete and verified reason as to why? I hope my tone isn't confrontational, I just want to know why, because I seriously don't understand it at all.

Uh-oh. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

[downix]

Uh-oh. Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

Wuh, I think so, Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married?

[Ironwolf]

I've skimmed about 30-40 pages last night and today, and it seems that there is some issues regarding Facebook posts?

Is it specifically mis-information that is being spread on Facebook that is the issue, or the fact that it is being shared on Facebook at all?


If it is the latter, my argument would be that once the news is out on any website, its in the public domain - you cannot ask people in good faith to keep it to themselves while allowing people to discuss it in a publicly visible location - eg: this site.

You see it isn't that they quote this information here - it is the rampant speculation and even attacking the future Devs - before they even have the game. I tried to get the Facebook crowd to come here for information and some do - others appear to just make it up! I really have tried to be concise. With a bit of luck the time may be short!

[Ironwolf]

Bollocks. If a billion dollar corporation is gonna hold onto a property they're not using just because of the hollering from the peanut gallery, that most definitely is being done out of spite. And they're proving their maturity level is actually rather low. We have absolutely no power in this situation and they know that.

"Oh no, we must keep quiet or else they will not sell the game to someone else!" Frak that felgercarb. They're being the bully in this situation if they insist on dangling doom over our heads unless we all sit down and shut up.

Ok, I will bite - what is your solution?

[btru]

You see it isn't that they quote this information here - it is the rampant speculation and even attacking the future Devs - before they even have the game. I tried to get the Facebook crowd to come here for information and some do - others appear to just make it up! I really have tried to be concise. With a bit of luck the time may be short!

Regardless of what happens I just want to thank you for trying :-) Sounds like you have been putting a lot of pressure on yourself dude.

[hufish]

You see it isn't that they quote this information here - it is the rampant speculation and even attacking the future Devs - before they even have the game. I tried to get the Facebook crowd to come here for information and some do - others appear to just make it up! I really have tried to be concise. With a bit of luck the time may be short!

What I've seen on Facebook looks a lot like people think they're talking to tech support.  Don't want to hear the answers, just want to rant until they get what they want.  Seems to be dying down, though.  You, sir, have been outstanding from a communications perspective, and I'd be glad to lend my luck if it weren't all spoiled anyways. :D

[CoyoteSeven]

Ok, I will bite - what is your solution?

NCSoft should show a little backbone. They are in control of this situation, so they should show some maturity in their behavior and some respect for the hurt players, whom they should understand might be lashing out and grasping at straws because they might still be in some kind of pain over their loss. You know, basically behave the way some others here have suggested we behave towards them?

Just a suggestion!

[btru]

NCSoft should show a little backbone. They are in control of this situation, so they should show some maturity in their behavior and some respect for the hurt players, whom they should understand might be lashing out and grasping at straws because they might still be in some kind of pain over their loss. You know, basically behave the way some others here have suggested we behave towards them?

Just a suggestion!

Or we could all chill a little bit, if they feel like we are being complete jerks why would they want to do anything that would remotely make us happy? Let cooler heads prevail.

[Harpospoke]

We caused a lot of pressure on the first sale effort and that pressure hurt the negotiations. The team now is saying this is what NCSoft does not want to happen again. It doesn't matter whether we agree or not - NCSoft holds all the cards. For them doing nothing is the easiest thing. I get the whole freedom of speech thing and love that freedom. I guess ask yourself, is having your say worth them not dealing with us as a community again?

Better to enjoy that freedom later in the game.   :)

[CoyoteSeven]

Or we could all chill a little bit, if they feel like we are being complete jerks why would they want to do anything that would remotely make us happy? Let cooler heads prevail.

Yeah but they're not selling it to US directly, are they? "Oh, your potential fanbase, our former customers, are much too rabid. The deal's off!" Yes, that's very mature.

[downix]

NCSoft should show a little backbone. They are in control of this situation, so they should show some maturity in their behavior and some respect for the hurt players, whom they should understand might be lashing out and grasping at straws because they might still be in some kind of pain over their loss. You know, basically behave the way some others here have suggested we behave towards them?

Just a suggestion!

They are showing respect by requesting a quieting down of background noise.