New efforts!

[Harpospoke]

No Agenda. Rein in the paranoia.

One More Time

No one is using Sentinel+ for anything at this point and is very unlikely to do so. The people who wrote it said it's not useful for that.

It doesn't contain everything connected with your character like status of contacts, souvenir's unlocks, etc.

That is isn't going to change. The data is not there. No amount of questioning agenda is going to restore data that doesn't exist. In fact, nothing is going to make Sentinel+ useful in that regard. It was designed in case of private servers, not return of the game.

Well now we are changing the subject again.

I was wondering why there are charges of being selfish and greedy are being leveled at people who want their characters back.    A person can openly hope that we get I24 without getting that.    People can openly hope all the characters are getting wiped without getting that.  People can hope we don't get a graphical upgrade or that we do get one...no problem.   So why the special negative language for players who want their characters?

My suspicion related to Sentinel was due to the change in attitude about "needs of the majority rules".   I saw it again a couple of pages back....a small minority might hack them so that means the majority can't use them.  The needs of the majority are ignored in that argument.   But then suddenly the minority being in possession of Sentinel files means the needs of a majority are again more important.

Why does that switch completely around?   There is usually a reason why two sides of an argument are used to promote an idea.

As for it being possible...apparently it is but may present challenges.   I see no reason to dismiss it out of hand.  Especially in the way I mentioned before as a way to verify certain characters are mine.

It is possible. I wrote a tool that converts Sentinel+ xml to the character database format used by COH (several sample character dumps were given to me prior to the shutdown to use as a reference). The costume category fixing of Senticon was partially inspired by the heuristic algorithm developed as a part of that. The tool has been gathering dust for the last year or so, but in theory they could be imported into functioning characters.

However, the data is incomplete. There's a lot of information missing that wasn't available to the client and it would very likely cause issues if you had things like badges or incarnate powers, but the game doesn't think that you've actually completed the story arcs to get them. Or are wearing costume parts or weapons that you don't have the internal tokens that say you unlocked them. That kind of inconsistent data can cause all sorts of weird stuff to happen. VEATs are especially messy in how they're implemented.

Even if there weren't a ton of business red tape to clear (ownership of data, possible cheating, etc), I doubt you'd want to import a large number of subtly broken characters like that. They would probably work on the surface, and then result in a lot of support tickets down the line.

[LaughingAlex]

I always wished for a set of games that you could bounce between with your characters. Kinda like moving between dimensions. You could take stuff with you, but it might be different on the other side. There would be advantages to each place and you wouldn't want to stay in just one. Might be kinda nice if COH/V 2 was a similar game but one you would play alongside of the first and you wouldn't stay purely in one. Just a dream.

Well, city of heroes 2 could take place a good 20-30 years into the future, even. That'd allow for differing factions and change the landscape for villains and heroes alike.  It'd also allow for newer groups, could have a few older groups, though i'd make some of them more different(groups and people change over time, afterall).

[Beltor]

I'd be ok with starting over with new characters. Rebuilding old favorites would give me more to do. After all, COH was more about the journey than the destination.

[Tyrannical]

If all CoH2 amounts to is an engine upgrade, no meddling with content, I'm fine with that. if what I hear is correct then it'll be like Runescape 2. Everything's the same apart from a few tweaks in the background, and prettying up the visuals and animation.

I'd rather not spend time getting back into the game to lose it, or spending money on market items to again be losing all that money, or grinding to level 50 only to have to start over once more...

personally, I want the original game back, for keeps, no dramatic changes. I want to know that when the game is back, it's the game we fell in love with. setting a sequel in the future, or a different land, or something else entirely doesn't interest me. We fought for the old game, if there's ever a successor with a different story, let CoT do it.

[Fanta]

the game image that ironwolf was talking about a few pages ago, sorry :(

With not being sure of what post you're talking about. The image of the game IFAIK isn't bad. I23 was already in use. I24, as far as we know was ready to go, if the Posi quote is accurate . As far as other things that might be acquired in the purchase, that's part of what their trying to determine. Best thing to do to get caught up on relevant info is to read through Ironwolf's posts.

[CoyoteSeven]

I'd be ok with starting over with new characters. Rebuilding old favorites would give me more to do. After all, COH was more about the journey than the destination.

Speak for yourself. I'll be disappointed if my characters are gone. If I can't get them back, then the time I spent building them up will have been wasted. I will have to think twice if I wish to recreate them and build them up a second time.

[Harpospoke]

If you enjoyed playing CoH, then you were winning the game.

Oh I did.   I was using "suck" as a way of comparing the ability to "arrest" things in the game.   I was nowhere near a god.

My fear (a "fear" for myself only) is that "CoH" got better and better as I went.   Not having the game in the state I had created for myself to enjoy would be like...

Maybe... slowly finding ways to make a hamburger taste better and better over a period of years and then going back to the original hamburger.    Still good...but not as good as you thought it was years before.   Imagine the frustration if you knew it would again take you years to get that hamburger to taste the same as you had it previously.

Heck....I could put it in CoH terms.   If you were offered a chance to play I4 CoH you would certainly take it....but wouldn't you express a desire to have I23 or I24?    Would you not bristle a bit if someone called you "selfish" or "greedy" for expressing that wish?

[Harpospoke]

Losing is fun though!  If your having fun, your in reality, winning.  So losing is winning!  .......Ok, actually, it's just losing is fun!

It's Jack!   ;D

[Angel Phoenix77]

Well, city of heroes 2 could take place a good 20-30 years into the future, even. That'd allow for differing factions and change the landscape for villains and heroes alike.  It'd also allow for newer groups, could have a few older groups, though i'd make some of them more different(groups and people change over time, afterall).

I have an idea like this, this is borrowed from a few sci fi movies, lets say i24 is the last issue for legacy city of heroes. Would a short movie detailing how the Battalion showed up and destroyed the city and the rouge isles. Than after the movie plays, an unseen person asks "mommy what happened to the city?" and the screen goes black with to be continued in City of heroes 2. Sorry I am abit of a writer :) everyone can join in and add to this if they want.

[Angel Phoenix77]

With not being sure of what post you're talking about. The image of the game IFAIK isn't bad. I23 was already in use. I24, as far as we know was ready to go, if the Posi quote is accurate . As far as other things that might be acquired in the purchase, that's part of what their trying to determine. Best thing to do to get caught up on relevant info is to read through Ironwolf's posts.

thank you for clearing this up for me, sometimes my eyes sees written things that aren't there.

[Harpospoke]

I'd be ok with starting over with new characters. Rebuilding old favorites would give me more to do. After all, COH was more about the journey than the destination.

That was true for a lot of players.

Not true for others though.  Some of us enjoyed the lvl 50 game the most.   So a blanket "this is what CoH was about" doesn't really work.   That was actually one of the many reasons CoH was so great....there is no way to sum it up like that.  It was different things to different players.

[Golden Girl]

Well, city of heroes 2 could take place a good 20-30 years into the future, even. That'd allow for differing factions and change the landscape for villains and heroes alike.  It'd also allow for newer groups, could have a few older groups, though i'd make some of them more different(groups and people change over time, afterall).

Setting it even 20 years in the future would be a bad move - one of the key elements of comic books is the present day setting, and with the rate of advances being made in human society right now, it can lead to things becoming very outdated. If the setting is in the present day, then it can simply change as the real world changes, and keep a very real feel to it.

[SpectaPhantom]

If you enjoyed playing CoH, then you were winning the game.

So much this. I have yet to find a game that gives me this. I've thought it for a long time

[Angel Phoenix77]

Setting it even 20 years in the future would be a bad move - one of the key elements of comic books is the present day setting, and with the rate of advances being made in human society right now, it can lead to things becoming very outdated. If the setting is in the present day, then it can simply change as the real world changes, and keep a very real feel to it.

I would agree with you about comic book time jumps, they seldom don't work when it is after so many years, however if city of heroes 2 came out I would get behind the idea of a small time jump such as 2 or 4 years. The reason for this is I believe that some comic books did do some small time jumps that have worked.

[Mistress Urd]

Well I'd love to have my characters back, that's pie in the sky but its very possible that we won't get data back.

Stay Tuned folks, we'll know what the deal will be soon enough. Then you can vote up or down.

[Odimodus]

 Here's hoping that the deal goes through. And here's hoping the game is never shut down again, and not sold off to another company causing 'issues'.

[Eskreema]

I think that DJ Zero (who might be more powerful than Rularuu) grants HD (praetorian television) the power to make the dimension we go to in Arcana's vision.   That's why graphics are better :), but in the transfer, like degaussing a screen, our power wane we have to get rolled back a lot

I would like my toons back, but like the Architect in the Matrix says:  there are levels of survival I am prepared to accept.  I just want to play again.

[CoyoteSeven]

Here's hoping that the deal goes through. And here's hoping the game is never shut down again, and not sold off to another company causing 'issues'.

I thought we wanted issues to be caused. It was when the issues stopped that we had to stop playing!

[Odimodus]

LOL. I meant bad RealLife(tm) issues that stop our play, should never happen again! Issues my villain causes is a different story...

[LaughingAlex]

Setting it even 20 years in the future would be a bad move - one of the key elements of comic books is the present day setting, and with the rate of advances being made in human society right now, it can lead to things becoming very outdated. If the setting is in the present day, then it can simply change as the real world changes, and keep a very real feel to it.

Hmmm, true.  Setting in the future generally is tricky due to things like researching up and coming technology and whatnot.  Often it is easier to have a modern setting.  Though we'd need to keep things changing and moving forward.  A faction remaining the same old same old gets, well, old after a while.  I was actually not against some of the freedom phalanx being killed mostly due to, in the end, character development that is necessary to keep stories interesting.