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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13580 on: December 04, 2014, 05:34:23 AM »
But...but... You can solo your alpha slot in Dark Astoria! Eh?! Eh?! Yeah, never mind.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13581 on: December 04, 2014, 05:41:11 AM »
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13582 on: December 04, 2014, 05:44:11 AM »
Oh yeah, that is right.  thanks for reminding me.  I totally forgot about the solo path.  The revamped Dark Astoria was a good way to get some extra threads per day.  Either street-sweeping or doing missions.  Some of which were fairly fun.

Basically a time killer while you wait for lower powered power gamers to catch up to you. You're almost better off leveling an alt unless you're badging on your main at the same time.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13583 on: December 04, 2014, 05:44:30 AM »
Climbing the Incarnate Tree kind of went like this. 

Step One: Unlock your alpha slot by going to Mender Ramiel in Ouroboros and completing the Unlock mission arc.  Which If I remember there were three missions to complete to unlock your slot.  You could also earn Incarnate XP to unlock the slot by doing either BAF or Lambda incarnate trials.  And by purchasing Psychic or Physical XP by using Incarnate Threads and influence which if I recall was one million influence per thread.  So get cracking earning that influence at Wentworth's!  So the quickest route was usually to do the Mender arc.

Step Two: Gather incarnate components to create your first common Alpha Slot power by completing the Task Force of the Week to completion as well as doing other Task Forces/Strike Forces for incarnate drops to create your first power.  Incarnate drops such as Incarnate Shards, Incarnate Threads, Notices of the Well, etc.  Once you have enough components you could craft your power.  Which power...you chose from amongst the various choices in the tree.  Each had their own bonuses and benefits.  Once you chose which attribute or power you wanted, you gather the components for that level.  There are common, uncommon, rare and very rare levels for each Incarnate ability.  I loved doing the Imperius Task Force for Shard drops and for the salvage.  You could also gain merits from fighting Rikti in the Rikti War Zone to craft into components.  Once you have all your incarnate salvage proceed to Step Three.

Step Three: Crafting your power.  Once you have the incarnate components to your first power you go to the Incarnate crafting menu and craft your power.  Once you have crafted your power you go the incarnate menu to slot your power.  Select your power and drag it to the Alpha Slot.  Once you have slotted your first common Alpha Power keep gathering incarnate threads, incarnate notice of the wells and other incarnate salvage until you have reached the very rare power of your Alpha Slot.  each time you craft a power it consumes the slot below it.  So if You want to craft "new" additional powers you will have to start at common again and work up through uncommon rare and very rare powers.  Once you have reached the rare level power in your Alpha slot you will receive a level shift to Level 50+1.   While in Incarnate Trials/Task Forces you will be effectively level 51.

Step Four. Unlocking Incarnate XP for your other slots.  Once Alpha is slotted you can then start doing Incarnate Trials such as Lambda Sector and Behavioral Adjustment Facility.  These trials earn you Incarnate XP towards unlocking your Lore and Judgment Slots.  Once you have enough Incarnate XP those slots will unlock.  Now you can repeat the process you used for your Alpha slot to fill your Judgment and Lore slots.  Alpha boosts your attributes.  Lore gives you pets and Judgment does large scale area of effect attacks.  Judgement Jump in the Ion tree seemed to be a very popular choice.  While you can do the other trials at this point, I recommend starting with the first two trials to understand the mechanics involved.  Once you have those slotted you can go to the next step.

Step Five.  Unlocking Incarnate XP from doing the Underground Trial, Keyes Island Reactor/TPN/Diabolique Dilemma and Minds of Mayhem Trials to unlock your Interface and Destiny Slots.  Repeat the earlier process for earning components, crafting powers and slotting them.  Interface Slots gave you certain Procs and the Destiny Slot gave you buffs for your allies.  Destiny slot was critical for completing the Underground Trial successfully.

Step Six.  Unlocking the last Hybrid Slot.  You do this by earning Advanced Psychic Incarnate XP doing the Magisterium Trials.  To enter the Magisterium Trial you must have Alpha/Lore/Destiny slots unlocked.  By this point you want to have all the other slots filled so that you gain the other level shifts to boost you to at least 50+3.  You gain a level shift with Alpha and Incarnate Shifts with Lore and Destiny abilities slotted to at least level 3 (rare) or level 4 (very rare).  You will be fighting AVs who may be 3 levels higher than that.  I used to run Magi farms by doing the Magi Trial for the first huge mob fights until we got to the AVs and then exit the trial and repeat.  About 5 runs like that would get you enough Incarnate Xp to unlock the Hybrid slot.  Once the slot is unlocked you gather components to complete the last power to level very rare.  Congratulations you are now six tenths of an Incarnate!  Sadly the other four slots were never finished.  Genesis and Mind would have likely been the next two slots released then the last two...Vitae and Omega.

From what I understand once you had all ten slots filled that was not the end of your path to being an Incarnate.  As I Understand it, Omega the tenth slot would have become the first slot of the next tier of incarnate abilities.  Welcome to the next level!

You have to remember even doing those first steps, you'll still be fighting everything +3 to you.  Without fully IO'd characters and there won't be any fully IO'd characters when the game restarts it'd going to be a bit tougher than you may have remembered.

My suggestion, get lots of buffs, debuffs and crowd control.  And don't complain if a team fails a few times, don't be to surprised, especially if you don't have alot of multipliers.  I remember the very first team to really do well at the ITrials was an all defender/corruptor/controller league.  Because multipliers were king.  I know a lot of ITrials were started with only 2-3 of those archtypes, I'd recommend until a lot of +3s were running around to go for 6+ of those archtypes or even one whole team of them to really get a good start on the trials.  Just a recommendation.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13584 on: December 04, 2014, 05:58:20 AM »
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13585 on: December 04, 2014, 06:43:57 AM »
If that's not enough - have a 4th that allows infinite server transfers to.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13586 on: December 04, 2014, 07:02:15 AM »
I remember doing the Apex task force.  With my first level 50.  I had my alpha unlocked by that point but not slotted so I was level shifted -4 so basically a level 46 fighting level 54's.  Even the minions were purple to me.  So lets just say I died a lot.  While the other team members laughed.  Their only reason for taking me was so they had enough people to start the task force.  They were doing a speed run so I had no chance of keeping up with them.  I drew aggro from every single mob.  I stuck with it so I could at least get the rewards for my time spent.  But I was not happy about it.

I was left feeling that way in general when I was in situations like that myself, when I was on some kind of developing character that I couldn't keep up on.  Not the worst feeling I've had in games but certainly left me annoyed at myself, and my teammates if it was a more unwillful experience.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13587 on: December 04, 2014, 08:37:31 AM »
Oh yeah, that is right.  thanks for reminding me.  I totally forgot about the solo path.  The revamped Dark Astoria was a good way to get some extra threads per day.  Either street-sweeping or doing missions.  Some of which were fairly fun.
That was how I did most of my incarnating for the few characters that I had Incarnated. Once it was available that is. I did suffer through a few BAFs and Lambdas with Agent Standin until the New Dark Astoria allowed me and my small group of friends to go incarnate on our own.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13588 on: December 04, 2014, 08:46:45 AM »
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13589 on: December 04, 2014, 08:53:05 AM »
Oh yeah, that is right.  thanks for reminding me.  I totally forgot about the solo path.  The revamped Dark Astoria was a good way to get some extra threads per day.  Either street-sweeping or doing missions.  Some of which were fairly fun.

you should see a video of my tank street sweeping in DA. I'll youtube it later.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13590 on: December 04, 2014, 03:30:12 PM »
I used CIT before they even joined the Titan network! But then I left for a long ol' time, and came back. Now I edit the wiki.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13591 on: December 04, 2014, 04:03:08 PM »
I didn't get all the badges, I didn't get IO sets for everything that I wanted to, and I certainly didn't finish the Incarnate stuff, in fact I only went beyond Alpha on one toon.

I definitely had Altitis. For me there was still enough content below incarnate that I could have happily played for years after filling my first toon with Incarnate powers. Omega could happily have been the end for me, and it turning into part one of a new tier would probably have put me off wanting to continue. After the slog to get that far having to do it all again wouldn't grab me. I would definitely find myself rolling a new alt and starting again.

So constantly increasing the ladder would not sustain my interest, but it would for a lot of other people. If I had to choose between extra 1-50 content and extra Incarnate content I would always choose the former. There were so many different power combinations I would very much like to explore that the game still had plenty of life in it for me. And I always enjoyed helping new players, so much so that I would often reroll just to team alongside a newbie that I had taken under my wing (yes I know I could have exemp'd down, but it gave me a chance to play a new combo).

In an ideal world we would get both and that was really what we had with the constantly evolving storyline of CoX. It ticked every box for me, and completely ruined me for sticking with other MMO's lol

I'm looking forward to playing in the static I23 but i'm really looking forward to CoT and APR as the continuing story is what kept me going, as long as they feel like CoX I will be happy to give them my money until the end of time :)
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13592 on: December 04, 2014, 05:21:35 PM »
Oh sure, a special server just for Infinity transfers. Nice Jolty. :)

I see what you did there ... and I like it!

As for alts, I had too many toons to concern myself with io bonuses. However, frakenslotting just for all around boosting that power did wonderful things for those alts.
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« Reply #13593 on: December 04, 2014, 06:44:29 PM »

He was not anti-alt. People quote the story at http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/7676/Altism.html when they say this, but what he is saying is that CoH had a "problem" because unlike other MMOs they did not cater to the "Have one main" and play that toon to death...because creating alts was something players enjoyed doing. If you read the article he is basically praising CoH for the things a lot of games don't have... the plethora of powersets...the costume creator...etc... which is what led to people having so many alts. In other words... he was taking the time to remind the interwebs...that CoH was a unique game...with a unique "problem." ;)



Indeed: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Lore_AMA/Sorted#180 And getting the first 10 would have been "trivialized:"

The sustainability of this is clearly questionable... Reading Positron's column (www.mmorpg.com/features.cfm/view/columns/show/45_Matt-Miller) I got the sense he was "anti-alt," or at least uncomfortable with the fact that a lack of end game encouraged severe altitis among the CoH population. I would argue alting is a strength of CoH. But you have to wonder how a never-ending Incarnate tree would have affected it.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13594 on: December 04, 2014, 07:20:37 PM »
I used CIT before they even joined the Titan network! But then I left for a long ol' time, and came back. Now I edit the wiki.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13595 on: December 04, 2014, 07:39:45 PM »
Thanks for that writeup Felderburg, it largely mirrors my own take on the subject just described infinitely better than I would've managed, the "anti-alt" quotes definitely had some nuance that needed to be considered.

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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13596 on: December 04, 2014, 07:40:43 PM »
Anyone saying the solo path for incarnates was viable is hopelessly clueless or just wants to keep anyone from ever making any progress on the incarnate path entirely.  When you actually look at how slow the reward gains were you'd be rather surprised, shocked and disappointed.  I think the max was one empyrean merit per week, so thats over 8 weeks for a rare component not to mention the thread drop rate was way to slow.  You needed 60 threads for a tier ONE abilities and many more for a tier 2, so it was outright impractical to do so.  If we get the game back i'd recommend first thing to patch was the solo path, make it a bit more viable if possible.

Edit: Made my post a little less hostile towards those who think the solo path was doable.  Will add this though;

When the Itrials reward 100x more in only 30 minutes to an hour than a solo path somethings off :S.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13597 on: December 04, 2014, 08:48:35 PM »
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« Reply #13598 on: December 04, 2014, 08:58:10 PM »
The problem there is if you give too much reward for the solo path....you ruin the chances for league play for the ITrials.  I know many who did not do ITrials because of the time invested and the more complicated mechanics of the missions.  But if you can get the same rewards for solo content as for team play it is just going to make it harder to form teams.  I think solo play is fine for adding additional rewards above and beyond team play but should not replace team play.  I had no issues with solo rewards as it was.

aye, I understand that there, honestly it's a hard thing to really figure, the irony though, of your post is that, because in city of heroes setting up a team can usually be done in very little time, those who have less time are better off doing the ITrials than doing the solo path, as the solo path takes far more time to get the rewards which are also far less.  One would think that if one has little time, the solo incarnate content would be the way to go when in fact the opposite is kind of true.  Just my thoughts anyhow.
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Re: New efforts!
« Reply #13599 on: December 04, 2014, 09:21:12 PM »
The problem there is if you give too much reward for the solo path....you ruin the chances for league play for the ITrials.  I know many who did not do ITrials because of the time invested and the more complicated mechanics of the missions.  But if you can get the same rewards for solo content as for team play it is just going to make it harder to form teams.  I think solo play is fine for adding additional rewards above and beyond team play but should not replace team play.  I had no issues with solo rewards as it was.

Problem there is that if you FORCE people who want to advance to only be able to advance via large-scale-team-raids, you limit freedoms.

The solo path for incarnates was so slow and crippled that it may as well have not been there. 
I have no problem at all with a solo path being quite a bit slower than team play -- (by it's very nature,
team play is going to give faster, bigger, rewards. You're mowing down mobs faster and in much larger
quantities) -- but deliberately crippling the solo path rewards on top of the natural lesser rewards for
solo vs team play was a mistake (imo).

Me, I hated the large scale raiding -- I deliberately avoided Hami Raids, Mothership Raids, and the iTrials because of that. 

Of course, on top of that, the only place the Incarnate abilities were usable was while in Incarnate raids, so
(after grinding out an Alpha slot) there wasn't really a need to get all Incarnated up if you didn't want to do the raids...

Still, I would have liked to explore the Incarnate paths, but it was basically pointless for me to try.  And the further up the Incarnate tree you went (for the later iTrials) the even less likely I was to participate as 1) I didn't have enough lower level incarnate power to keep up, and 2) I got more and more left behind on tactics.

Plus I started missing out on Game Lore, which probably bugged me more than anything else about the raids.

I never had a problem with the Incarnate Trials; let those who enjoy them, play them.  It just would of been nice if there had been a slower (but not stupidly, cripplingly, slower) solo path to follow.