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SOE shutting down four of their MMOs.
« on: January 25, 2014, 12:42:03 AM »
http://www.mmogames.com/gamenews/24546/soe-shutting-5-mmos-summer/?ref=maressa


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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2014, 01:46:37 AM »
So was the Clone Wars game, and of course Free Realms was all ages I believe.

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2014, 03:26:15 AM »
I know it's a bad habit to apply one's own situation to otherwise unrelated events but it feels like we were the snowball that started the avalanche.

Since our own was shut down it's been, what, about ten other games (including these) that have followed?

Come on MWM, all of these players need a good home.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2014, 05:50:06 AM »
I know it's a bad habit to apply one's own situation to otherwise unrelated events but it feels like we were the snowball that started the avalanche.

Since our own was shut down it's been, what, about ten other games (including these) that have followed?

Come on MWM, all of these players need a good home.
Pretty much. NCSoft showed the entire industry that it was perfectly alright to shut down an active game and not suffer any real bottom-line consequences from it. Before that, many games were alowed to limp along for years until there was pretty much no one left to keep the lights on for out of fear of consumer backlash.

Now the major game publishers have seen that the game customers will wail and gnash their teeth, but still keep pumping in money for the next big thing (looking at you wildstar).

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2014, 05:51:38 AM »
SWG gets that honor, I think. They weren't even shut down because of doing bad, they were shut down so SWTOR could come out. A game that feels so completely different I don't understand why they couldn't exist side-by-side.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2014, 06:55:51 AM »
Which is better - NCsoft's "realignment of company focus" line, or SOE openly saying that they're canning Free Realms because they want to use the resources elsewhere?
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2014, 09:20:32 AM »
Tidbits from the AMA.

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Are you planning on adding more family-friendly options? First there was Toontown Online, then there was Free Realms, and CWA. Is there another youth-oriented game planned?
No. No more kids games. Kids don't spend well and it's very difficult to run a kids game. Turns out Kids do mean stuff to each other a lot.

Two questions from my 9yo daughter about Free Realms closing down: "Do you think if we played Free Realms more they won't shut it down?" and "Why?"
First off - I have to go home after this and tell my 12 year old daughter Rose that her favorite game is going away. I assure everyone out there that I will catch more grief from her than anyone else. She easily plays the game 20 hours a week (ok stop judging me other gaming parents.. it's a friendly game for kids). It makes me really sad to shut down FR, but the truth is we need our resources elsewhere right now.

Also, Wizardry Online is different from Wizard101, isn't it?

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2014, 09:40:18 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2014, 09:58:45 AM »
Which is better - NCsoft's "realignment of company focus" line, or SOE openly saying that they're canning Free Realms because they want to use the resources elsewhere?
The latter. At least they're being honest.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2014, 02:23:37 PM »
Ditto. It's not nice, but they're giving a straight and honest answer - which takes some guts - instead of a load of high-sounding bullcrap that in the end actually means nothing at all - which would be nothing but an insult to their customers.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2014, 06:32:22 PM »
Agreed, it's always better to get an honest answer as opposed to a non-answer.

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2014, 06:37:56 PM »
And a straight and honest answer was better then we got.

Honestly, I can accept that an entertainment company (which all video game companies are) is going to close down some products to devote the resources to something new. That has been happening since the beginning of visual media. Does that make it any better for the people who enjoy those products? No. But at least you can always believe in the 'from the company that brought you...' philosophy.

We have to remember that nobody ever promised that their games would last forever. No movie, TV, novel or any other series ever does (even if we would like it to.) We just feel more comfortable believing that that particular product had run it's course, it's story has been told, and that it was time for something new.

In our case, we've never had that feeling. And that is still our biggest source of anger today.

I'm actually kind of interested in what SOE has coming up that will give SWG players a home to come back to. It might just be adspeak, but that phrasing has me curious.
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2014, 08:31:42 PM »
Yeah, I heard about this just last night (my time). SOE has now taken the title of "Most MMO's Killed" away from NCSoft.

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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2014, 09:26:28 PM »
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I'm actually kind of interested in what SOE has coming up that will give SWG players a home to come back to. It might just be adspeak, but that phrasing has me curious.

Agreed, I never played SWG but I'm interested to see if they make good on their promise to those players. Being able to make a new home for those players that's hopefully better than the one they had before. Would be alittle heart warming for me, it'd give me a sense that they actually cared and felt somewhat bad about shutting the game down.

Which is something I'm going to watch cause I want to play Everquest Next so bad but don't want another COH type thing happening if I get into that game as deeply.

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2014, 11:51:41 PM »
Regarding their blurb about SWG... the way it was written, and the way the coverag has flown, I think it is probably a new property which is using the same open-plan story telling that SWG used.

What that property is remains to be seen. Obviously it's not going to BE Star Wars since House of Mouse now owns that and made a big point of killing off Lucas Arts right after acquisition, apparently having little interest at the moment of making videogames around its new franchise holdings. (which if you ask me is a pancake move considering what they could have done between the marvel licenses and the lucas talent)

Still, much like CoH, SWG had a very open and free-play feel to it, which is why, like our City, so many people lament its large scale loss. So any new game that can recapture the same sort of open form play style is sure to please a large and underserved segment of the gaming audience.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2014, 12:51:11 AM »
It would be ironic if it proved to be another Super Hero game. :D

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2014, 01:03:15 AM »
From the first article posted:

Atleast it seems their going to try not to leave their players out in the cold for too long and atleast their honest about the reasons (even if brutally honest).

I feel bad for all the players of those games. I hope that they can find a new virtual home that's as good or slightly better than the one's that are being shut down.
I think it means soe is going to take credit for swg emu.
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2014, 05:42:35 AM »
What that property is remains to be seen. Obviously it's not going to BE Star Wars since House of Mouse now owns that and made a big point of killing off Lucas Arts right after acquisition, apparently having little interest at the moment of making videogames around its new franchise holdings. (which if you ask me is a pancake move considering what they could have done between the marvel licenses and the lucas talent)

They killed LA's development arm. Its production side is still active, as I understand it. It's possible EA/Lucasarts could get together and publish an MMO like they currently do with TOR, while SOE develops it (like Bioware currently does with TOR). Now, that wouldn't make a lot of sense, seeing as LA was the reason SWG was shut down; believing it and TOR couldn't coexist, but maybe the Mouse was able to persuade them otherwise. After all, I believe there are (or will be) two Marvel based MMOs going.

Btw, we know of at least four SW games coming out in the near future: one being a space shooter game called Attack Squadrons, the new Battlefront game being made by DICE, an unnamed game by Visceral, and finally an as-yet-unnamed, open-world, next gen game.

So I wouldn't say they have "little interest" in making Star Wars video games.

Still, I doubt Smedley was talking about a revival of SWG/SWG2, anything related to Star Wars. Probably just a game that is based on Galaxies' design, but without all the mistakes they made.

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2014, 06:10:08 AM »
SWG gets that honor, I think. They weren't even shut down because of doing bad, they were shut down so SWTOR could come out. A game that feels so completely different I don't understand why they couldn't exist side-by-side.

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 06:17:54 AM »
Yeah, I heard about this just last night (my time). SOE has now taken the title of "Most MMO's Killed" away from NCSoft.

Free Realms
Matrix Online
Star Wars: Clone Adventures
Star Wars Galaxies
Vanguard
Wizardry Online

Does it count as killing a game if they saved it for a long time?  Vanguard probably wouldn't have opened if SOE hadn't stepped in and Matrix Online got 4 more years of life when SOE bought it.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 03:34:05 PM »
Does it count as killing a game if they saved it for a long time?
The title of "Most MMOs Killed" does not have an asterisk or caveat.

Once these dates pass SOE will have killed more MMOs than NCSoft.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 11:54:42 PM »
swg atleast has full functional community servers now. Both Pre-Cu and NGE. The nge project is coming along quite nicely in such a short period of time.

Must of been a pretty easy server to reverse engineer and recode or alot of folks are working on it.

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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2014, 03:53:56 AM »
Yes it's Wizardry Online and not Wizard 101.

NCSOFT didn't show anyone anything as other MMOs that weren't NCSOFT were shut down before NCSOFT shut down Auto Assault.

Lately it's been a wave of MMOs targeting children and tweens.  Besides the fact they don't have a credit card to buy stuff online which means they have to be able to get to a store that carries the various proxy currency cards to spend their allowance.  And not every store within walk/bike distance carries such cards it becomes a cash flow problem.

Then of course there is the nightmare PR scenario where some child predictor gets a victim from one of these games.  The endless use of such a tragedy by procedural police dramas would make sure that market will never be tapped every again.

Lastly, they are moving off the PC and onto mobile gaming.  The number of kids I see being weened on mobile or tablet gaming while out and about is mind boggling to me.  Combined with the fact that elementary school children carry cellphones usually smartphones means that the PC isn't a viable platform to market to them anymore.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2014, 09:59:04 PM »
Which is better - NCsoft's "realignment of company focus" line, or SOE openly saying that they're canning Free Realms because they want to use the resources elsewhere?

I like this.  It still sucks they are getting their home taken away.  But at least its direct and honest.  I suppose its better to only be hurt instead of hurt and lied too.

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2014, 10:26:03 PM »
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I like this.  It still sucks they are getting their home taken away.  But at least its direct and honest.  I suppose its better to only be hurt instead of hurt and lied too.

Yep and atleast Smed had the guts to face the costumers to answer their questions even if it was on reddit.

I've glanced threw some of the forums after the announcement, the players are taking it hard but it "seems" that. The SOE reps are trying to be up front, honest and supportive.

Some of the players (freerealms I think it was) where asking for them to sale the IP, I'm going to check back once and awhile to see what they say about that. It'd be nice if the could/would for the players that want to stay and if there was a company that'd support the game. Since they don't want to anymore.

I hope everything works out for the better. For the players of all four of those games. :(

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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2014, 03:00:56 AM »
Yep and atleast Smed had the guts to face the costumers to answer their questions even if it was on reddit.

I've glanced threw some of the forums after the announcement, the players are taking it hard but it "seems" that. The SOE reps are trying to be up front, honest and supportive.

Some of the players (freerealms I think it was) where asking for them to sale the IP, I'm going to check back once and awhile to see what they say about that. It'd be nice if the could/would for the players that want to stay and if there was a company that'd support the game. Since they don't want to anymore.

I hope everything works out for the better. For the players of all four of those games. :(

I don't know about Free Realms, but I do know Smedley was saying they couldn't sell the Vanguard IP. Might be the same with FR and Wizardry Online. He didn't say why, apparently the PR people were almost ODing on Tums as it was with him doing the AMAA, so there were some things he couldn't discuss.

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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2014, 08:24:31 PM »
We have to remember that nobody ever promised that their games would last forever.

Actually, we were told we could play for free forever.  Stupid NCSoft...  :(
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2014, 08:51:05 PM »
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First off - I have to go home after this and tell my 12 year old daughter Rose that her favorite game is going away. I assure everyone out there that I will catch more grief from her than anyone else. She easily plays the game 20 hours a week

GO ROSE GO ROSE GO ROSE GO ROSE GIVE HIM HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

I think when our online "home" goes away, we ALL become twelve-year-olds, at least in our hearts.

I'm sorry, little Rose wherever you are. I know its cold comfort, but there a lot of us out here who feel the same, even if we really are decades older than you.

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2014, 01:29:36 AM »
Side note: confirmed by Smedley, the new, unannounced game is NOT a Star Wars game ( :gonk: )

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2014, 02:27:20 AM »
Side note: confirmed by Smedley, the new, unannounced game is NOT a Star Wars game ( :gonk: )

Sorry that disappoints you. 8-(

I am kind of hoping for a space themed game that isn't a franchised game... unless maybe they do Space 1999. :D

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2014, 02:45:58 AM »
space 1999...

That could be a really good idea. Sadly, I don't think there are enough people who remember the original show.

I'd play it.
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2014, 08:22:38 AM »
Side note: confirmed by Smedley, the new, unannounced game is NOT a Star Wars game ( :gonk: )
Seeing as how they announced, back in November, that ALL Star Wars video games will be produced by EA for the next ten years, I'm fairly certain that no one who's informed even thought that it'd be a Star Wars game.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 10:32:31 PM »
Seeing as how they announced, back in November, that ALL Star Wars video games will be produced by EA for the next ten years, I'm fairly certain that no one who's informed even thought that it'd be a Star Wars game.

Produced, sure. Doesn't necessarily mean someone other than EA (or any companies under EA's banner, such as Bioware) couldn't develop it. Look at that Attack Squadrons game. Would that be likely, no. Possible? Sure.

Anyway, I never expected it to be a SW game, or SWG2, or anything like that. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a small piece of me that hoped that were the case though (hence the emoticon). A year ago, a similarly sized piece was hoping for a Paragon/CoH buyout from a large company such as Disney or Valve.

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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2014, 12:12:27 PM »
I like how Smedley handled this, honestly.

Sure, it's still crappy that all these MMO's are being killed, and many of the players of those games will probably feel just as devestated as we all did when they murdered CoH in its prime.

I argue that NCSofts handling of the situation is the biggest offender of all. They barely said anything, kept tight lipped about why they were doing it and just were terrible at their PR of the whole situation.

Smedly, on the other hand, was quick to do an AMA on the subject and answered as honestly as he could possibly go, and even said 'I can't tell you why we can't sell the IP's of these games, but it's for very important business reasons'.
This doesn't make the decision better. Those 'business reasons' are horsecrap of course, it's all about reducing competition, and they KNOW if they sold the IP, they'd lose subscribers and revenue, they will still lose some but maybe a few will sub to another of their games etc etc.

BUT, at least he was as honest as he could be about it. Heck, we got some seriously straight forward stuff from that AMA, I liked it.

Again, crappy situation, but much MUCH better handling despite.

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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2014, 07:45:40 PM »
The truth is, unlike NCSoft, We can make reasonable assumptions that most of these SOE games are probably not above water, definitely not the kid's games, which is why Disney is also trying to get out of that market, streamlining down to one game. I may not like it when a game is killed, but I don't expect one that's hemorrhaging to be allowed to continue to do so.

NCSoft, on the other hand has never admitted the status of Heroes. Other news sources have reported that the game itself was making money, even if Paragon as a studio was not. They just didn't like the game and wanted it gone. it was never a business decision.

As to why not outsource a game? Unlike when CoH was put out, games these days belong to half a dozen or more different entities... Different publishers and sub-contractors developing different aspects of the game, whether it's cut scenes, audio, character design, text, etc... The paperwork nightmare needed to unlock all those agreements makes open-sourcing a project not just unpalatable, but financially unsound. It's one reason that my beloved Star Trek Armada II was never open-sourced despite the still thriving community that grew up around it, someone somewhere in the chain decided that they didn't want their portion to be in the public domain, and so the whole thing stayed locked up. (officially anyway, unofficially there are dozens of fan projects out there free for the asking)
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« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2014, 03:20:05 AM »
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He didn't say why, apparently the PR people were almost ODing on Tums as it was with him doing the AMAA, so there were some things he couldn't discuss.

LOL! I can actually see in my mind. Some guy in the back ground with a bottle of Tums. Popping it open every time Smedley said something like. "To be honest..." purring an handful and he starts chewing.

I can't get the image out of my head. LOL!

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« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2014, 04:48:08 AM »
LOL! I can actually see in my mind. Some guy in the back ground with a bottle of Tums. Popping it open every time Smedley said something like. "To be honest..." purring an handful and he starts chewing.

I can't get the image out of my head. LOL!

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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2014, 05:25:58 AM »
SOE has a game being made that isn't announced yet?  I would have assumed that EQ Next was the only they are working on seeing how its one of the most ambitious games I have heard of yet.  And that wont be released until 2015 maybe even 2016 so whatever this secret project is.  Its a ways ways waayyyyyssss off

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« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2014, 04:50:32 PM »
SOE has a game being made that isn't announced yet?  I would have assumed that EQ Next was the only they are working on seeing how its one of the most ambitious games I have heard of yet.  And that wont be released until 2015 maybe even 2016 so whatever this secret project is.  Its a ways ways waayyyyyssss off

I think the name of the IP that was recently licensed it H1Z1. I know nothing about it, but sci-fi post apocalyptic space zombie virus something or other seems to be the speculation.

A lot of people are also speculating that it'll likely be based on the same tech as Next and Landmark, and just like with Next, players will be able to contribute to it through Landmark.

That doesn't say anything about how far out any significant information on it or a release for it is, but it means it might be closer than what we'd normally expect.