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Robocop (2014)
« on: September 06, 2013, 04:15:33 AM »
http://youtu.be/ymMNEPfcO5M

yup... they took one of the bloodiest movies in history... and made it grimdark.

I'm not impressed by this first trailer, but feel free to form your own opinions.
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Re: Robocop (2014)
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 07:24:04 AM »
Yeah, I'll see it but I'm convinced by the trailer that it's not gonna be anywhere near as good as the original.  Murphy's death scene needed to be visceral and hard to watch.  That's one part they never should have changed.  And the androids don't look so hot.  They're just not as sleek and futuristic as the other technological designs in the film.

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 11:32:13 AM »
ED-209 looks stupid.

Reminds me of the Bayformers :(
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 01:54:37 PM »
That trailer is terrible.

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2013, 02:57:58 PM »
ED-209 looks stupid.

Reminds me of the Bayformers :(
Agreed.

I can sort of justify that in my mind for a transformer as a somewhat organic structuring evolved over centuries.

On something man-made that's designed for combat, no engineer in their right mind leaves everything open like that.  Even if it doesn't make the inner workings of the thing more vulnerable, that design provides openings for foreign objects to be introduced, possibly interfering with the range of motion of the articulation points.  A well-engineered machine eliminates as many possible sources of failure, it doesn't intentionally add them in.
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 04:16:39 PM »
It might stand on its' own, but it doesn't really feel the same.
For one, they've made Murphy too human after his transformation. A major element of the original was him rediscovering his past.
And what is that with the organic arm? Yes, could be a nod to the original - but all in all it makes very little sense.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 04:29:15 PM »
What you all said. What gets me is the conspiracy theory angle. "we've secretly replaced his free will with folger's coffee, let's see if he notices"

is there a point to this? was the story not served well enough by the original's idea of a for-profit police force in the ultimate excess of reaganomics run amok and "do not harm an OCP executive"? It just exemplifies why the movie didn't NEED to be remade. It stood just fine on its own with story and effects (well some of the stop motion was weak, but still)  All this added stuff is just grimdark for the sake of grimdark.
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 05:35:54 PM »

They removed the grey area in the original and replaced it with something that's purposely cruel and violating.  In the original Murphy was dead, so any time anyone asked about his free will or rights, the answer was "he's dead, he doesn't care anymore".  In this case they specifically did something to him while he's *alive*, and then tried to trick him.

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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 06:13:47 PM »
Wow, so much hate over a trailer.

Whatever... I loved the original, and from what I can see I will very likely enjoy the remake.   I actually like the fact that they are changing things up some from the original movie, but I am also hopeful that they do not stray too far from the original premise.  I see they have some big name actors in the new movie too (SLJ, Gary Oldman, Michael Keaton).

And I see Miguel Ferrer is in this one too.  I'll be VERY disappointed if we don't see cameos by Peter Weller and/or Nancy Allen.  :D

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 06:23:15 PM »
And I see Miguel Ferrer is in this one too.  I'll be VERY disappointed if we don't see cameos by Peter Weller and/or Nancy Allen.  :D

Then brace yourself!... to be disappointed.  Peter Weller has all but poopooed on this movie, wanting nothing to do with it.  As for hate?  I'm not there yet.  I want to see a retelling of Robocop.  I like that this one is slightly slimmed down.  The trailer just didn't do such a great job of getting me intrigued. 

One fear I do have is Padilha won't capture the attachment the audience has with Murphy the way Verhoeven did.  This is a pitfall for some fanboy directors who try to pick up where a better storyteller left off but leave us not really caring about the main character. (Think Terminator 3 or the Star Wars prequels.). Just because you're a fan it doesn't mean you can make a good movie.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 06:27:04 PM »
Wow, so much hate over a trailer.
If the ED-209 is the worst part of the movie, I'll get over it.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 06:50:40 PM »
I think making the attack a car bomb is already a big mistake.  In the original, that was a very PERSONAL death. Murphy was isolated, beaten down, and tortured, the leering faces of his attackers all around him, laughing at him as he screamed in agony.  We felt for Murphy.  When he was finally shot in the head to end it, it was almost a mercy-killing.  In this, he opens his car door, and boom, it's all over.   Removing that personal element is a big factor.

Imagine if, for example, they made a Batman origin movie where Bruce's parents weren't shot by a mugger, but were instead killed when a bank robber, fleeing the police in his getaway vehicle, sideswiped a truck that hit a building that knocked some masonry loose, which then fell on Bruce's parents.   Sure, a criminal still killed Bruce's parents, but not in the same personal way. THAT'S what this feels like.

And that's just one tiny aspect.  The new Robocop appears to still be alive, rather than dead, so he's not OCP's (or whatever they're calling it) "property".  He's still Alex J. Murphy, only with fancy life support armor (a la Darth Vader). And with his family knowing that he's Robocop, that whole angle of him losing them is gone, too.

Finally, the armor looks very flimsy and weightless.  The original movie made his new body as much of a curse as a blessing (as it was very strong, accurate, and durable, but also very heavy, bulky, slow, and obviously inhuman), while this one shows RoboCop running right from the start.

(ED-209 I can forgive.  It's impracticably designed, but that's always been the point.  Heck, in the original film it was a robotic security guard that couldn't climb stairs, or get up after it had fallen.  That's not a practical design)

I know it's just an early trailer, but even from that I can see that the changes aren't minor.  It just feels like they wanted to make an entirely different movie, but then the studio slapped the Robocop name onto it because they saw some superficial similarities.

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 07:08:49 PM »
First is looks as if they are shooting for PG-13 rather than a hard R like the original (which was cut to be an R).

Instead of it being entirely involuntary,  Murphy "died" and was reanimated as a cyborg in the original with his wife and son thinkings he's dead, here he is just tragically maimed and his wife OKs turning him into a cyborg.  Still not his choice but a loved one was in the loop.

OCP didn't buy Detroit here but is looking to sell their line of droids to supplement police forces.  But there's push back because they're ... well droids, people are uncomfortable so they want to put a human face on them.  Likely the reason his face is normally exposed (besides actor ego) and right hand (to shake) is intact.

Don't know how "evil" OCP is.  Is it like the original where a rogue executive is behind the bulk of the bad things going on or does it go to the top.  Is the control a safety measure or simply a way to turn him into just another android?  Don't know.

Interesting big name cast.

:(  They gender bent Lewis.  Now his black, male former partner.  I guess with his wife aware in this picture they only needed one woman to talk him straight.

I don't think this will have the same biting social commentary, black humor and ultra violence of the original.  Just actiony bang bang BOOM.

Edit: The ED-209 is a battle field weapon.  What was the old phrase, Daleks don't climb stairs they destroy buildings.  I think they have humanoid droids to do interior work.
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Re: Robocop (2014)
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 09:32:00 PM »
PG13.. so what you're saying is they didn't learn their lesson from Die Hard 4.

lord save me from fools and studio execs.

so far, it looks like the only movie coming out next year I want to see is Cap 2...
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2013, 10:20:44 PM »
ED-209 looks stupid.

Reminds me of the Bayformers :(

Looks more like a Cylon to me.

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2013, 10:52:02 PM »
I don't think this will have the same biting social commentary, black humor and ultra violence of the original.  Just actiony bang bang BOOM.

Agreed.  In the same vein as the new Total Recall.  It was "okay" but lacked the heart of the original.

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2013, 11:17:28 PM »
im gonna wait for the next trailer to really make up my mind. but on a good note, the guy playing murphy also played Holder on the Killing and very much enjoyed his acting and character on that show.
i think he will do a good job in this movie
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2013, 11:43:16 PM »
What you all said. What gets me is the conspiracy theory angle. "we've secretly replaced his free will with folger's coffee, let's see if he notices"

is there a point to this? was the story not served well enough by the original's idea of a for-profit police force in the ultimate excess of reaganomics run amok and "do not harm an OCP executive"? It just exemplifies why the movie didn't NEED to be remade. It stood just fine on its own with story and effects (well some of the stop motion was weak, but still)  All this added stuff is just grimdark for the sake of grimdark.

Some of the CGI in that trailer looked pretty weak as well.

That trailer did nothing for me. It might be a good pew-pew movie, but don't expect much beyond that. Not really surprising, though. The original movie was an intelligent movie with a lot of pew-pew. Unfortunately, today's audience only wants pew-pew, no intelligence.

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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2013, 12:01:54 AM »
Some of the CGI in that trailer looked pretty weak as well.

That trailer did nothing for me. It might be a good pew-pew movie, but don't expect much beyond that. Not really surprising, though. The original movie was an intelligent movie with a lot of pew-pew. Unfortunately, today's audience only wants pew-pew, no intelligence.
seems so. There were a lot of real underlying world issues pointed out and explored in the original WITH action.

Now that is considered boring. Nah, that is not fair. Actions movies been like only pew pew for a while even in Robocop days. Arnold make an entire career out of it (of course Terminator helped, another movie that had action and underlying real world issue statements (technology)).

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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2013, 12:55:55 AM »
I think I just realized why this movie concept doesn't work for me. Not as Robocop, or as hard scifi or even as scifi action.

if you take the military grade body armor and replace it with standard VA issue prosthesis, and take the guns and replace them with a hammer and a work belt (or a set of rehab stress balls) and make no other changes... this becomes a lifetime movie of the week.  :o
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2013, 02:47:37 AM »
If someone was stupid enough to green light this movie, can we find them to green light picking up CoX?

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2013, 11:36:56 PM »
The wort part is this is probably why the masterful 'RoboCop: The Musical' was yanked off of youtube.

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2013, 05:41:49 AM »
Oh look.  Another remake of a movie that did not need to be remade... >:(
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2013, 05:51:41 AM »
Oh look.  Another remake of a movie that did not need to be remade... >:(
Well all the good idea for original ideas have been taken. Plus with the crack down on powering one's nose while at work kind of killed creativity. :p Thus they are left with remakes, graphic novels and comics, books, and remakes of remakes, and sequels.

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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2013, 06:13:54 PM »
That's not true... there's plenty of creativity left out there, an hour on youtube proves that. The problem is remakes are 'safe.' Retold ideas are low risk and often come with a built in audience (how many of us went and saw batman begins or will go see GB because we loved the previous batman or ghost busters flicks?). And Hollywood has become substantially risk adverse. Rather than telling hundreds of small, well told stories each year, the entire model now centers around the fact that there's 52 weeks in a year, and there can only be "one big movie" for each of those weeks. (maybe less for a REALLY big movie like Avengers that might "stay on top" for two or three weeks)  And so, using this top heavy approach, well, you don't want to float your studio's ass on a two hundred million dollar action movie or a seventy million dollar oscar contender, so you take the safe bet wherever you can.

and then it becomes a self-fulfilling system. if that's the only movies you're producing, those are the only movies people will/can go see. and if those are the only movies people go see, then the numbers grow in support of making more of them, kind of like how if all you're selling is hamburgers, then your hamburger sales look fabulous compared to imaginary hotdog sales. And the slide into mediocrity only accelerates because so many smaller theaters have been killed off by the switch to digital projection, so there's no market for anyone who might want to show art house movies, or dollar shows that have been out for a few weeks, or marginal pics that exist between art-house and big cinema.

it's a sad slide based on a largely broken understanding of how the film going economy works. (one that largely mirrors how reality tv has chased scripted tv off the air on a lot of stations, thankfully in that case the internet is starting to fill the void)
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2013, 06:25:37 PM »
That's not true... there's plenty of creativity left out there, an hour on youtube proves that. The problem is remakes are 'safe.' Retold ideas are low risk and often come with a built in audience (how many of us went and saw batman begins or will go see GB because we loved the previous batman or ghost busters flicks?). And Hollywood has become substantially risk adverse. Rather than telling hundreds of small, well told stories each year, the entire model now centers around the fact that there's 52 weeks in a year, and there can only be "one big movie" for each of those weeks. (maybe less for a REALLY big movie like Avengers that might "stay on top" for two or three weeks)  And so, using this top heavy approach, well, you don't want to float your studio's ass on a two hundred million dollar action movie or a seventy million dollar oscar contender, so you take the safe bet wherever you can.

and then it becomes a self-fulfilling system. if that's the only movies you're producing, those are the only movies people will/can go see. and if those are the only movies people go see, then the numbers grow in support of making more of them, kind of like how if all you're selling is hamburgers, then your hamburger sales look fabulous compared to imaginary hotdog sales. And the slide into mediocrity only accelerates because so many smaller theaters have been killed off by the switch to digital projection, so there's no market for anyone who might want to show art house movies, or dollar shows that have been out for a few weeks, or marginal pics that exist between art-house and big cinema.

it's a sad slide based on a largely broken understanding of how the film going economy works. (one that largely mirrors how reality tv has chased scripted tv off the air on a lot of stations, thankfully in that case the internet is starting to fill the void)
of course. but the ":P" went over your head.

It's a common joke that in the days of the most creative ideas was the result of powdering the nose (which tends to make people partake in risky behaviors such as coming up with new unproven ideas with 100s of millions riding on it.) Without the powder, the mind is clear and thus not keen on taking risks thus going the safe route.

Youtube, meh, some creative stuff out there but it's no better than Hollywood. Lots of copyrighted materials posted and rehashed ideas. Back in the day when it was actually YOU tube, there was some stuff but after a while, mostly people posting music that isn't theirs, or singing songs of other artists instead of their own, playing a video game that they didn't make, and a bunch of false ones (Rick Rolling), with some actual creative stuff sprinkled in there. Just like Hollywood now.  The difference is that you tubers usually don't have millions on the line and are doing it just to be doing it so it's even worse for them because they lose nothing at actually being creative and using you tube what it was actually meant to be used for which didn't include posting copyrighted materials.

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2013, 10:37:02 AM »
Somebody better buy something for a dollar.  And Sam Jackson's hair looks silly.

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