TF:HM updates

[Nyx Nought Nothing]

Thanks for working so hard at the pitch Rae, Quinch, VV, and anyone else who helps. i sincerely appreciate the effort everyone is making although i have to be honest and say that i'm dubious that NCsoft would sell at a price any reasonable person would find acceptable in order to avoid potential embarrassment. After all they've never sold off any of the other games they've shut down, so it would also go against established practices in addition to possibly ending up with egg on their faces if CoH made a commercially successful return.

That said, i have various appendages crossed that this will succeed. And i would so love to see NCsoft embarrassed.

[Surelle]

Hopefully this will not affect any final Google pitch, but Gamasutra just announced that Google has just killed off its Google+ Games Service, which apparently was not doing too well.  http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/192305/Google_Games_service_killed_off.php

I doubt Google would be getting directly involved with buying the CoH IP or hosting CoH anyway, though.  Contacting Google in the first place seems more a "middle man" opinion-requesting-type thing anyway I guess.

[Rae]

I'll get Quinch to have a quick squiff at it and see if he thinks we need to re-write anything. Thanks for the heads-up

[Joshex]

sounds to me like google wont be interested in any games from here on out, that and apparently they need backing to run games (probably financial backing)

so, yeah... maybe it was a good thing they didn't pick-up CoH before this time, otherwise they'd be trying to push that off to another company, and I'm sure NCSoft would take it back and sit on it some more.

and google is killing off some games... so in my opinion CoH wouldn't have been necessarily safe there, though I'm sure they would easily sell the game IP's if someone came asking.

[Illusionss]

Jaguar: Well I dont think anywhere in there did I say OMG dont do anything because it will fail. Or even, why bother asking.

NO, you did not use those exact words. But this is in fact what you are asking everyone to do: stop all these efforts to save the game because Resistance Is Futile. It may well BE futile, but some folks like to chase down every last alley until they are satisfied every expediency has been met.... so I say, let them do it. And if a miracle happens, then we will all benefit! Right? Why not wish them well, rather than create a wall of text saying that all is futile because once Mercedes Benz retires a model of car, they retire it for eternity. Which is one heck of a non sequiter, by the way.

And lastly it's funny how you say this little text of mine is too long but your quick to say you in the psy. field and college educated, which is now dubious if my post was a wall of text in two paragraphs and that is too long then I doubt you even made it out of the eight grade, you know where they read books and wrote reports longer than what I wrote? See insults can go both ways, but it solves nothing.

More circular text.

Luckily, my field of work and my degrees are not hinging on your belief. You are free to believe I am a present day descendant of the Sawney Bean clan wrapped in an untanned human hide, posting from a cave in Scotland using a Commodore 64 if you wish. This affects reality not at all.

Plus, the idea that someone finding your wall of text to BE a wall of text means that they "didn't make it out of eighth grade" is hilarious. It was a rambling wall of text that not only failed to present your ideas concisely, it was defeatist. See... me, when presented with a challenge, I prefer to fight, not throw in the towel.

That is why I think you just threw in length in there just to throw it in there because you think you dont agree with my post.

1. I do not in fact agree with your wall of text telling people to stop trying to save CoX because of Mercedes Benz's treatement of discontinued car models. Truly:



2. Your post was not edited in a fashion that presented your ideas in a fashion which made them easy to decipher. A business reading this assertation would not get past your second sentence. "What is this....? NEXT"

3. The large hospital I work for has been trying to decide on a major direction-shift in the patients they treat FOR FOUR YEARS NOW and they appear to be no closer to a solution now than they were four years ago. So much for your assertation that big businesses make decisions "fast fast fast." Um.... no they don't. I could give more examples.

This is the last time I am going to address this assertation of yours re the hopelessness of the present cause. I wish TF:HM the best and am hopeful for any results.

[Joshex]

NO, you did not use those exact words. But this is in fact what you are asking everyone to do: stop all these efforts to save the game because Resistance Is Futile. It may well BE futile, but some folks like to chase down every last alley until they are satisfied every expediency has been met.... so I say, let them do it. And if a miracle happens, then we will all benefit! Right? Why not wish them well, rather than create a wall of text saying that all is futile because once Mercedes Benz retires a model of car, they retire it for eternity. Which is one heck of a non sequiter, by the way.

More circular text.

Luckily, my field of work and my degrees are not hinging on your belief. You are free to believe I am a present day descendant of the Sawney Bean clan wrapped in an untanned human hide, posting from a cave in Scotland using a Commodore 64 if you wish. This affects reality not at all.

Plus, the idea that someone finding your wall of text to BE a wall of text means that they "didn't make it out of eighth grade" is hilarious. It was a rambling wall of text that not only failed to present your ideas concisely, it was defeatist. See... me, when presented with a challenge, I prefer to fight, not throw in the towel.

1. I do not in fact agree with your wall of text telling people to stop trying to save CoX because of Mercedes Benz's treatement of discontinued car models. Truly:



2. Your post was not edited in a fashion that presented your ideas in a fashion which made them easy to decipher. A business reading this assertation would not get past your second sentence. "What is this....? NEXT"

3. The large hospital I work for has been trying to decide on a major direction-shift in the patients they treat FOR FOUR YEARS NOW and they appear to be no closer to a solution now than they were four years ago. So much for your assertation that big businesses make decisions "fast fast fast." Um.... no they don't. I could give more examples.

This is the last time I am going to address this assertation of yours re the hopelessness of the present cause. I wish TF:HM the best and am hopeful for any results.

for the record before my last post draws similar agro, in no way am I saying for this project to call it quits, heck now please continue and I hope for the best. if it fails however, I still have my plans hehehe Hahahahaha HEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA NCSoft will curse the day it decided to try and snuff out a city of villains!!!!

er I mean... well.. you didn't just read that.

long live TF:HM, or should that be short live... or er now I'm confused.. may it live successfully till it needs to gallantly part with the life it has, to supply us with the fruits of it's heroic labor.

[JaguarX]

NO, you did not use those exact words. But this is in fact what you are asking everyone to do: stop all these efforts to save the game because Resistance Is Futile. It may well BE futile, but some folks like to chase down every last alley until they are satisfied every expediency has been met.... so I say, let them do it. And if a miracle happens, then we will all benefit! Right? Why not wish them well, rather than create a wall of text saying that all is futile because once Mercedes Benz retires a model of car, they retire it for eternity. Which is one heck of a non sequiter, by the way.

No, that is not what I'm asking everyone to do. I'm clearing thta up right now, again, nowhere in there am I asking everyone to do. As you said, I didnt use those exact words so stop putting words in there to make it mean what you want it to mean. If I was goign to say that everyone should just give up, I would of said, "everyone should give up. Seeing as I didnt, and maybe that caused some confusion, I'm telling you now again, that is not what I'm saying.

And even with the Mercedes part, you missed it and got it twisted. I said Mercedes still makes parts for all their cars ever made, meaning, yes even old things can continue on, regardless of age, in one fashion or or another.

I'm not sure what your problem is when I cleared it  up and said that is not what i'm saying and you going to tell me, what I meant after even telling you what I meant. Are you me? a mind reader? I said the meaning you assigned is not what I was saying at all and it's apparent you didnt read the post as all and even got the MBZ part wrong as I clearly said they still make parts for their cars but seriously read what I say before getting it all twisted and putting words into my mouth.



 

2. Your post was not edited in a fashion that presented your ideas in a fashion which made them easy to decipher. A business reading this assertation would not get past your second sentence. "What is this....? NEXT"

And if that was the problem then ya should of said so instead being childish about it with the insults and jumping to conclusions saying I'm saying everyone should give up when I clearly didnt say anything of the sort. And you cant even point out where I said that. You just made it up, picked a few words and twisted to mean what ever you wanted it to mean to start trouble. I'm not going any further with this until you are mature enough to want to discuss this like and adult. Until then good day, believe what you want to believe, and twist what ever you want to twist but that is your problem not mine now.
 


On one hand you say the point wasnt in a clear concise manner but yet, you seem adament that I was saying everyone should give up. That is the clue now that I know your purpose is to merely be a unicorn here. If it wasnt consice and the point wasnt clear than how can you be so sure that in your head that I was saying that everyone should just give up. And if you are so sure of that then, in your head, as you read it and the way you believe it, then the poitn was clear. To you, the point seemed to be that I said everyoen should give up. See, that is how when I thought about it, it became clear you are merely unicorning here and I got pulled into it. Good job. Your unicorning post worked. *claps*. Hats off to you. You got me. Wont happen again though.

 We have a common goal here to get COX back in one way or another. Go pick a fight with someone else. I have no more time for it.

Hopefully that was crystal clear to you. In case it wasnt and those few words were beyond your reading length capability, in short, I'm saying- "Go unicorn someone else."

[JaguarX]

[Taceus Jiwede]

I also think NCSoft would not sell if a burning bush appeared at the entrance to their headquarters with the voice of Jehovah issuing from it asking NCSoft to please sell. BUT, rather than lose myself in a defeatist stew of depression, I am just waiting for the wild server to pop up somewhere. That sort of thing is what happens when people want something that a vendor refuses to provide.

NO, you did not use those exact words. But this is in fact what you are asking everyone to do: stop all these efforts to save the game because Resistance Is Futile. It may well BE futile, but some folks like to chase down every last alley until they are satisfied every expediency has been met.... so I say, let them do it. And if a miracle happens, then we will all benefit! Right? Why not wish them well, rather than create a wall of text saying that all is futile because once Mercedes Benz retires a model of car, they retire it for eternity. Which is one heck of a non sequiter, by the way

I really have to ask where the hell you got any of that from.  I didn't get that from his message at all.  He is simply calling it like it is.  NCSoft probably won't sell, things that go into retirement usually don't come out of retirement.  Those are two things that history generally has proven to be true.  You are right there is no harm in trying or asking someone to buy it the worse that will happen is they say "No" and we stay where we are  However, that doesn't mean he is saying don't try or everyone should give up.  Why is it every time someone points out something that people SHOULD keep in mind, they automatically become some one trying to sink peoples good time ship.. I haven't seen this time, or anytime JaguarX say that we should give up, stop trying, or call it quits "cause something is pointless." I have, however, seen on several different occasions you on here accusing people of being quitters or defeatists often after taking what they said out of context.

And yes yes, I know.  I'm a defeatist, most likely a traitor and if I want to give up I can but you wont let quitters like me make you give up hope right?  Sorry to be rude about it but it gets REALLY old always seeing these.

[DJMoose]

Where were we?  Oh right! *ahem*

Thank you for the update Rae!

[Ironwolf]

If someone at Google ASKED for a sales pitch then make it.

You don't know internal politics or any part of Google's structure. If this guy is high enough up the ladder he can do it on his own. It is inevitable that we begin to eat our own at some point.

How about not at this point.

[LaughingAlex]

I agree with Ironwolf, and I also have faith in google.  Google is one of those companies to be frank, I'd want to work for them.  They are reputed to be a very forward minded company and tend to be very solid at making decisions, in fact it's been stated that google even treats it's employee's very fairly.  When you look at the other trends google makes, you'll notice that they are either following others on innovation or even ahead of the curb to, in that they often ask themselves how they can improve their services for the customer, which isn't something you see as often anymore.  They are like starbucks, they prefer to serve a quality product to customers and prefer to serve those customers first through quality, rather than quantity(quantity being what many game

I say we still have a big chance with them to pick us up because of those factors.

[Tanklet]

o.O

We really need to keep things together, and get a grip. I agree with points on both sides, but that's neither here nor there. What I think IS important is the following

1. Was the Google contact kept up to date on the status of the pitch. Like once or twice a month (give or take depending on the details of the relation with the contact, and their interest)? This way they don't think it just got dropped, and lost interest, and decided to move on, not expecting anything from us?

2. Was the contact 'contacted' to say "the package is ready" or whatever proper phrase is used, and given an ETA?

3. Deliver said package.

4. Tell us when we can write in our support, and to whom, and the contact and context of our letters.

5. Pray/chant/etc that NC comes to the table.

Conjecturing, or anything else, that doesn't do anything to accomplish the above goals, IMO, is going to serve no purpose but piss us off at each other. Parts of our community are hanging on by a shoestring as it is.

Please, just take a step back from the computer screen at times like these. We can't afford losing numbers. We can't afford losing focus. We can't afford negativity. This was never promised to be an easy fight ... and it won't get any easier by turning on each other, or discouraging each other.

[Joshex]

things that go into retirement usually don't come out of retirement.  Those are two things that history generally has proven to be true.

the only notable exception seems to be Jay Leno.

[Captain Electric]

And Asheron's Call 2, and APB: Reloaded, and Agent Coulson, and Earth and Beyond (if you consider the fact that the emu is better developed/maintained than the live game was), and my step-dad. What? You sayin' my step-dad isn't notable, punk? 

[Illusionss]

Taceus: I have, however, seen on several different occasions you on here accusing people of being quitters or defeatists often after taking what they said out of context.

Really? Where?

And yes yes, I know.  I'm a defeatist, most likely a traitor and if I want to give up I can but you wont let quitters like me make you give up hope right?  Sorry to be rude about it but it gets REALLY old always seeing these

You are free to give up hope anytime you like, as goes without saying.

What gets old is, every time someone tried to make a difference we have someone pop out of the woodwork with fifty thousand reasons why even trying is a total waste of time. And you are right, that really does get old. Let's let people who want to make an effort, make an effort. Who is harmed by that? I truly dont get it.

As for the rest of the above: TL:DR. Both because its presented as nigh-impenetrable wall o' text and because I am not interested in a flamewar. What I AM interested in is getting our game back. UNTIL Phoenix Project comes to fruition, at which time I will abandon any thought of CoX, sad to say.

That is most likely when NCStupid will relaunch CoX: when PP is about 3 months from launch. "OMG THEY ARE SERIOUS!!! WE MUST THROW A SPOKE IN THEIR WHEEL!" Wait and see. 

[HEATSTROKE]

I posted this earlier in the post but I think it bears repeating


I hope that Google works for several reasons.. One if Google comes calling at the NCSoft door that is not going to be ignored so easily. They will have a very hard time explaining to investors that they wouldnt sell an IP that is doing NOTHING to Google.. If it got any press that Google was interested an a NCSoft property and they refused to sell it could really hurt their stock...

Now I have been wondering why would Google be interested in a MMORPG. They really dont do games at all. But as I began to ponder this myself is that one thing that I do know is that Google is very aware of communities and we have a strong community.

Google is going to have to move into games as gaming is becoming a medium through which people connect and interact with one another. Their competitors like Microsoft are into gaming and while Apple isnt a gaming company their hardware is used by many gamers.

How can this be profitable and interesting to Google beyond the subscriptions for players? This is where my mind began to think..

1) Ok I dont know who owns Mids but its obviously an invaluable tool for any CoH players. Could Google purchase the rights to use Mids and then distribute it for a small fee? Or could they develop an alternate program. I would pay a few bucks for a " Mids " I could use on a tablet or smartphone. You know how many builds and respecs I could accomplish in bathroom time alone ? This is one avenue i thought about..

2) Paragon Market.. a ready made Google store. I would totally love to purchase items through my smartphone or tablet while I am away from my PC and have those items ready for me when I got home. New powers.. im buying.. new costume pieces.. Im buying.. Another enhancement on sale and I need more Paragon Points... Im buying.. and Google is making money...

3) Google+ utilized by Supergroups, friends, guilds etc etc as a way of communication and announcing events.. Thats a win for Google..

4) Google can easily see the numerous Youtube videos on CoH related fanfare which creates advertising revenue for Google..

5) Google could think of a way to make a purchasable mini game on your Phone, Nexus etc etc that earns you Paragon Points for use in the main game.. or you do things on that game to unlock certain things in CoH...

Im sure I brainstormed more than this but this is all I can recollect at the moment..

Google pitch could be a winner....

[JaguarX]

I posted this earlier in the post but I think it bears repeating


I hope that Google works for several reasons.. One if Google comes calling at the NCSoft door that is not going to be ignored so easily. They will have a very hard time explaining to investors that they wouldnt sell an IP that is doing NOTHING to Google.. If it got any press that Google was interested an a NCSoft property and they refused to sell it could really hurt their stock...

Now I have been wondering why would Google be interested in a MMORPG. They really dont do games at all. But as I began to ponder this myself is that one thing that I do know is that Google is very aware of communities and we have a strong community.

Google is going to have to move into games as gaming is becoming a medium through which people connect and interact with one another. Their competitors like Microsoft are into gaming and while Apple isnt a gaming company their hardware is used by many gamers.

How can this be profitable and interesting to Google beyond the subscriptions for players? This is where my mind began to think..

1) Ok I dont know who owns Mids but its obviously an invaluable tool for any CoH players. Could Google purchase the rights to use Mids and then distribute it for a small fee? Or could they develop an alternate program. I would pay a few bucks for a " Mids " I could use on a tablet or smartphone. You know how many builds and respecs I could accomplish in bathroom time alone ? This is one avenue i thought about..

2) Paragon Market.. a ready made Google store. I would totally love to purchase items through my smartphone or tablet while I am away from my PC and have those items ready for me when I got home. New powers.. im buying.. new costume pieces.. Im buying.. Another enhancement on sale and I need more Paragon Points... Im buying.. and Google is making money...

3) Google+ utilized by Supergroups, friends, guilds etc etc as a way of communication and announcing events.. Thats a win for Google..

4) Google can easily see the numerous Youtube videos on CoH related fanfare which creates advertising revenue for Google..

5) Google could think of a way to make a purchasable mini game on your Phone, Nexus etc etc that earns you Paragon Points for use in the main game.. or you do things on that game to unlock certain things in CoH...

Im sure I brainstormed more than this but this is all I can recollect at the moment..

Google pitch could be a winner....

yup

[tomborocks1]

Thank you very much for the update. I will wait with baited breath to see what will be the next instructions.

I may not spearhead anything, but I can soldier with the best of 'em!

Your efforts are herculean.

[MindBlender]

The main point of all this is that we HAD TO deliver a professionally done pitch, to the right person who was "interested".  Google just hired a game guru (name escapes me right now) and that may help.  The main point is that I believe the folks in TFHM know what they are doing and they may never find a new home for our original game...At least they are trying!  Thanks to TFHM for everything you are doing and if we don't get CoX back, it is through no fault or lack of trying on your part.  Forums are for opinions so take what seems like a defeatist attitude as just that, not  "Give it Up" advice.