Author Topic: New Doctor Who ep (Probably spoilers) (Read 14598 times)

Tenzhi · « **on:** March 31, 2013, 03:40:18 AM »

Surely someone else here caught it? I unfortunately missed the first 5 minutes because they showed it at 8 instead of 9, those sneaky Beebsy-bubs.

For a moment I thought the Doctor was going to lose her again. Loved the ending, and am I correct in thinking that the Great Intelligence is a classic foe from the first or second Doctor?

FemFury · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2013, 06:52:17 AM »

Yep, the Great Intelligence appeared two times as an enemy of the 2nd Doctor.

It was the force behind the Yeti, which were it's robotic servitors. It was also pretty much the first alien threat that U.N.I.T. fought alongside the Doctor, if I remember correctly. (thus, the GI commenting "Very old friends..." when UNIT forces secured the building.)

The Great Intelligence was re-introduced to the modern Who universe as the force behind the "Snowmen" in the recent xmas special. Could make for a good recurring opponent for the season.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2013, 07:12:47 AM »

Quote from: FemFury on March 31, 2013, 06:52:17 AM

The Great Intelligence was re-introduced to the modern Who universe as the force behind the "Snowmen" in the recent xmas special.

Ah, yes, I had forgotten. The time between episodes erased that connection for me.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2013, 08:09:46 AM »

IIRC The Great Intelligence is tied in with Cthulhu's old ones. Yog-Sothoth I think.

downix · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2013, 02:37:18 PM »

Quote from: FatherXmas on March 31, 2013, 08:09:46 AM

IIRC The Great Intelligence is tied in with Cthulhu's old ones. Yog-Sothoth I think.

Correct, although in the Whoiverse, the "Old Ones" were the equivalent of the Time Lords in the universe which existed before our universe came to be, who shunted themselves into the time vortex to escape their universes death, leaving their bodies behind (much as the Time Lords themselves almost did under Rassilon to "win" the Time War).

The Great Intelligence is a collection of these Old Ones minds gathered into a single entity, hence why the name. Other notable Old Ones in the series include the Nestene Consciousness (another collection of intelligences), the Celestial Toymaker, the Animus, the Gods of Ragnarok, and Fenric.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #5 on:** April 01, 2013, 03:47:54 PM »

Incidentally, did I read what I thought I did? When Clara remembered where she'd seen the image of the little girl on her stairway, was that a book by "Amelia Williams"?

Mental Maden · « **Reply #6 on:** April 01, 2013, 03:52:53 PM »

The episode itself was just "ok" for me, but I really like the dynamic/chemistry between the Doctor and Clara. Looking forward to fleshing out that mystery some more.

downix · « **Reply #7 on:** April 01, 2013, 06:54:31 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 01, 2013, 03:47:54 PM

Incidentally, did I read what I thought I did? When Clara remembered where she'd seen the image of the little girl on her stairway, was that a book by "Amelia Williams"?

Yup.

JWBullfrog · « **Reply #8 on:** April 01, 2013, 08:11:34 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 01, 2013, 03:47:54 PM

Incidentally, did I read what I thought I did? When Clara remembered where she'd seen the image of the little girl on her stairway, was that a book by "Amelia Williams"?

And, knowing the DW writers, that will become important again soon enough. I more want to know who the 'old lady in the shop' that gave clara the Doctor's number as 'the ultimate help line' was.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2013, 08:17:48 PM »

Well the BBC is publishing it, at least in e-book format.

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2013/03/31/doctor-who-summer-falls-new-enovel-with-a-link-to-the-bells-of-saint-john-b/

Tenzhi · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2013, 05:58:24 AM »

I thought the name of it was "Rings of Akhenaten" but it sounded like everyone in the episode was calling it "Akhaten". In any case, it was an alright episode though not as good as the previous one in my opinion.

And as an aside, I've been enjoying the new intro though I don't recall how far back they started using it. It has a nice classic feel to it.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2013, 06:14:16 AM »

New opening started with the Christmas Special.

It was an OK episode. Not enough Doctor/Clara witty banter and innuendo.

JWBullfrog · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:42:21 PM »

It struck me as an epiphany story.

Even all of the Doctor's guilt and self loathing and horror weren't enough to defeat the emotion eating space monster. All of his negative emotions weren't enough but the positive ones of Clara were.

We've seen a gradual shift in the Doctor from the worn down, cynical, secretive, scarred survivor that we first saw signs of as far back as the Sixth Doctor (yes six. I am that old) and really highlighted with the ninth and Tenth, to a Doctor that is finally letting himself live and let go of his pains.

Usually when this kind of thing happens to a character, he dies soon after. But, at least he dies content.

Hopefully, the WHO writing team isn't thinking along those lines quite yet. I happen to like Matt Smith.

Mental Maden · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2013, 01:45:01 PM »

I actually liked this episode better than the one before. Go figure.

Maressa · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2013, 05:44:40 PM »

Quote from: JWBullfrog on April 11, 2013, 01:42:21 PM

Hopefully, the WHO writing team isn't thinking along those lines quite yet. I happen to like Matt Smith.

Matt Smith is confirmed through 2014 at least. I'm personally worried they won't solve the Clara mystery before the end of the season. That would really bug me. Unless it has something to do with the 50th...or Christmas. Either way, I don't like Clara. But I've been saying that at every cast change since, like, forever. Donna was the only one who never really grew on me.

Heroette · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2013, 05:46:05 PM »

And for me, Donna was my favorite companion. It's Rose I didn't like. But we all have our favorites.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #16 on:** April 22, 2013, 04:34:58 PM »

Well we just had "Hide". A "ghost story" episode.

Thoughts?

Heroette · « **Reply #17 on:** April 22, 2013, 05:18:27 PM »

I thought it was better than the "Cold War" one (which I didn't even bother to watch the ending - I just found it boring). I'm not sure what I think for Clara yet. In a few episodes, I will make my decision.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #18 on:** April 22, 2013, 09:58:56 PM »

Quote from: scalebeast on April 22, 2013, 05:18:27 PM

I thought it was better than the "Cold War" one (which I didn't even bother to watch the ending - I just found it boring). I'm not sure what I think for Clara yet. In a few episodes, I will make my decision.

Cold War was only OK. I was hoping for a rebirth of having the Ice Warriors as another major foe but I guess we're just getting old school Cybermen this time around in 3 weeks I think.

For me it really felt like an old 70s British sci-fi/horror story. At least the Tardis is talking at Clara now. I don't know, these last few episodes felt rushed. They all fit too nicely in a US TV hour time block. I would like to see them last a bit longer, maybe a two part episode. It's too quick.

On the other hand if you enjoy watching paint dry, I've been watching the late 70s/early 80s British sci-fi/horror series Sapphire and Steel staring David McCallum and Joanna Lumley. Sadly I believe the only direction David McCallum got for his character is "be unpleasant to everyone".

Tenzhi · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2013, 03:41:01 PM »

I didn't like the end of Hide. The bogeyman-that-feeds-on-fear is in love with something in this dimension so lets traumatise this woman's brain a bit more in order to shunt it off to another planet where it can have fear eating babies that terrorize the universe... it either needed more exposition to make the prospect less horrifying, or else they should have just left it at 'you saved the time traveller, job well done' and called it a day.

Mental Maden · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2013, 05:24:05 PM »

Is it me or do the commercial breaks seem to happen at weird times? American v. UK run time difference or something?

FatherXmas · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2013, 07:17:43 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 26, 2013, 03:41:01 PM

I didn't like the end of Hide. The bogeyman-that-feeds-on-fear is in love with something in this dimension so lets traumatise this woman's brain a bit more in order to shunt it off to another planet where it can have fear eating babies that terrorize the universe... it either needed more exposition to make the prospect less horrifying, or else they should have just left it at 'you saved the time traveller, job well done' and called it a day.

Nobody said it fed on fear. Just whatever caused the pocket universe to form split up that pair of "monsters". And you have to admit if you saw one coming you would run rather than chat it up about the situation you mutually found yourself in (from the time traveller's point of view) or simply hide because you've been dumped into an alien world full of things that don't look like you (the being in the house's POV).

FatherXmas · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2013, 07:22:18 PM »

Quote from: Mental Maden on April 26, 2013, 05:24:05 PM

Is it me or do the commercial breaks seem to happen at weird times? American v. UK run time difference or something?

They don't have commercial breaks there so BBCA tries to find beat in the story to stick them in. As for running times, these new dramas are surprisingly close to NA play length of 42-44 minutes.

Mental Maden · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2013, 09:52:29 PM »

Well they need someone with rhythm to find those beats, because they feel off.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2013, 12:33:20 AM »

I don't get BBCA but my parents do. Because of that I watch an illegal stream of the show on Sunday and the DVR of the BBCA version when I puppy sit when they go out to play cards (teething puppy, my job is to not let it destroy anything in the room but not just stick it in it's crate).

So I know the story already as I watch it in glorious HD so I just don't notice the ill timed commercial breaks because I just FF by the break to what I know is coming next. So they need to find a "not running" point every 7-9 minutes and that's not going to work out unless the show edits the episodes so those periods are obvious (maybe a cheat sheet they can send with it).

TigerKnight · « **Reply #25 on:** April 27, 2013, 07:37:53 AM »

They are mentioning in the new TV guide this week on a hint on what's to come this season (Stop reading now if u don't want to know)

So according to the new article in the TV Guide, for the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary special, Matt and Jenna will be getting help from David and Billie reprising their roles. Sounds like it's going to be a 3D episode as well.

Rust · « **Reply #26 on:** April 27, 2013, 01:13:33 PM »

Yeah, there are on the set pictures of Matt and David together. Plus we've had peeks at the monsters for the 50th - The Zygons.

All in all...it feels really underwhelming for a 50th Anniversary. Tennant...I dunno if he and Smith will have the right chemistry together. I really was pulling for Eccelston because I could see he and Smith playing off each other like Troughton and Pertwee did back in The Three Doctors.

Sad that none of the classic Doctors have been asked to make a appearance though.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #27 on:** April 27, 2013, 11:50:26 PM »

Quote from: FatherXmas on April 26, 2013, 07:17:43 PM

Nobody said it fed on fear.

I may have misunderstood, but it seemed to me that the Doctor said precisely that when he was rambling about the thing chasing and terrorizing him and called it a 'bogeyman'.

FemFury · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2013, 04:02:48 AM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on April 27, 2013, 11:50:26 PM

I may have misunderstood, but it seemed to me that the Doctor said precisely that when he was rambling about the thing chasing and terrorizing him and called it a 'bogeyman'.

The way I read it was the Doctor realized that the creature wasn't actually trying to kill them, just pursue them, keep them running. Keep them afraid, keep them moving.

So, he theorizes that the creature feeds on fear. Because, well, he's seen that several times before. Why else would it keep them afraid without actually moving in for the kill?

But, he was wrong. It was actually harrying and pursuing them in hopes of driving them to some kind of escape route that it could follow, so it could get out of the dying pocket universe.

When the Doctor saw the other one, in our world, behaving differently, he realized his error.

FemFury · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2013, 04:38:00 AM »

My opinion of the "second half of the season" so far:

Bells of Saint John - a bit of a standard plot for Dr. Who. But, I was very happy at the end to see it was all the work of the Great Intelligence. I'd like to see more recurring villains, rather than monster of the week all the time. Also liked the Doctor exploiting the villains overconfidence and turning their own technology against them, which is classic Doctor m.o.

Rating: average DW episode

Rings of Ahkatenn - weakest of the 4 episodes so far, IMO. However, some really good things. Nice acting by the child actor, and Clara's affinity for children was well shown. Loved the mention of Doctor having visited there previously with his granddaughter. I liked the monster at the end being defeated by the infinite possibilities of "what could have been" when it was able to stomach even the Doctor's many memories... but while it was poetic, it was almost too poetic, in that I was left thinking "okay, but the those could-have-been possibilities aren't actually THERE, like the memories are." I liked the idea, but I needed just a bit more Sci-Fi handwaving and pseudo-explanation to have it work fully for me...

Rating: below average DW episode.

Hide - Solid story. Good ghost story feel at start. Neat dilemma with the stranded time traveler. I like the two "guest star" characters, who had depth and personality.

Rating: Above average

Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS - well, I nerdgasmed at finally getting a mostly-in-TARDIS episode. And getting to see all the cool rooms inside. The Eye of Harmony. Neat library. Glimpse of a swimming pool. Clara picking up the umbrella (7th Doctor's ? no question mark, but still...). A book on the history of the Time War. The Doctor's crib. Gallifreyean symbols on the stolen circuit, and Gallifreyan psychic encyclopedia kept in liquid in bottles. Basically, lots of continuity fanservice for us geeks. However, I generally don't like "total reset buttons" for episodes. I would want at least "echoes of memories from being in the eye of the temporal storm" or something, so we don't lose ALL of the possible character development from the storyline. Or some kind of lasting impact from the choice to fiddle with time to get the reset button.

Rating: above average, with bonus points for nerdy-continuity-porn, but points off for full-reset-button trope.
Both point adjustment factors are very YMMV, so I can see people liking this one a lot more or a lot less than I did.

And that's my thoughts and admittedly subjective opinions.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2013, 08:34:45 AM »

Did you forget Cold War. Didn't recognize David Warner. He played such memorable bad guys in the late 70s/early 80s.

FemFury · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2013, 12:42:04 PM »

Quote from: FatherXmas on April 28, 2013, 08:34:45 AM

Did you forget Cold War. Didn't recognize David Warner. He played such memorable bad guys in the late 70s/early 80s.

Bah. That's what I get for posting thoughts on the internet when I haven't had much sleep this week. (covered extra shifts for people this week, including graveyard shifts)

Cold War was okay. Liked the Ice Warrior return. Good to see an "enemy" alien race, even a warrior race, that's not totally merciless like the Daleks, Cybermen, and Sontarans. An alien race that's aggressive and warlike, but CAN be reasoned with.

Both Liam Cunningham and David Werner are good actors, and well-served their roles. Their efforts boosted the episode to above average for a DW episode.

So far, I don't think there's been an episode in the bunch I'd call a "bad episode", but I'm not sure there's any I'd call a "great episode" either. Maybe "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS" could go onto my list of classics. I'll have to see if the reset-button ending bothers me less on future viewings, or if the episode has ramifications for the season down the road.

For me, I think part of the problem is Clara. I don't really have a handle what I think of her as a companion yet. Amy Pond had such a strong personality, and an interesting relationship with the Doctor, it's tough act to follow in my book. But there's potential with Clara. She's got the uploaded computer skills, she's good with kids, and for some reason, the TARDIS doesn't like her. She just hasn't clicked with me yet, not sure why. Maybe it just will take a bit of time. She seemed a stronger character in both "Asylum of the Daleks" and "The Snowmen" to me, and maybe that has something to do with it.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2013, 12:45:47 PM »

Quote from: FatherXmas on April 28, 2013, 08:34:45 AM

Did you forget Cold War. Didn't recognize David Warner. He played such memorable bad guys in the late 70s/early 80s.

David Warner is awesome. I also liked him as Wallander's father in the series with Kenneth Branagh (recently speaking, of course... I've been a fan since I first saw him in Time Bandits when I was a kid).

I'm not sure how I feel about the TARDIS episode. Maybe it just seems like it, but I feel there've been too many instances int the new Who where the answer to the problem of the day involves resetting everything to status quo. Particularly with how short/fast paced the stories tend to be. But in regards to the above review it seemed pretty clear at the end that some of the character growth stuck at least on a subconscious level.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2013, 10:45:19 PM »

So A Clara knows his name if only for an instant or as we see it may still be buried in her subconscious.

I love the murmurings from previous episodes going all the way back.

Know we know how the Tardis regenerates itself, to some degree. Nice to see the pool and the library. And did Clara get the Encyclopedia Galactica spilled on her? Needed her to stumble by more old console rooms as she dashed down the halls.

Yes is was a ST: Voyager time travel resolution which is somewhat lazy writing by putting you into a situation where only a reset can save the day.

Next week we're back on the case again with Vastra, Jenny and Strax. I expect Strax will point out that Clara should be dead and question if she's a clone like himself.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2013, 11:26:22 PM »

I believe it was "Encyclopaedia Gallifreya".

Rust · « **Reply #35 on:** April 28, 2013, 11:34:34 PM »

Next week is gonna hurt.

I don't tend to take to the Love Children of the Showrunners. Jack and the Torchwood Group (Or Jackie before them) raised my hackles and Moffat's "Scooby Gang" does nothing for me - though fair being fair, the Question scene in The Snowmen was very well done and extremely clever.

Stop making mockeries of the Silurians and Sontarans - bring back Litefoot and Jago from The Talons of Weng-Chiang!

Mandu · « **Reply #36 on:** May 05, 2013, 02:13:11 AM »

Wow. I really hated this episode. All except for the couple minutes at the end with the two kids. I can't really put into words why I hated it. It's just that everything felt wrong.

I still consider it geeky cool that Diana and her daughter were in the episode together. But that doesn't lessen my dislike.

eabrace · « **Reply #37 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:55:18 PM »

The kid giving directions made me laugh out loud when he gave his name.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #38 on:** May 05, 2013, 09:40:00 PM »

I enjoyed it. Victorian era megalomaniac seeking to create a utopia by wiping out all of mankind except for her chosen few. Also I don't mind reoccurring characters that could be used in a DW spin off. Yes, there is a lot of light comedy that follow those three, Jenny, Vastra, especially Strax although the joke is starting to get old (but the "fourth one this week and I'm not even hungry" was funny).

So next week is NG's Cybermen episode and it will include Clara's charges tagging along (I wonder how Clara manages that). This will likely tick off even more people because so many forget that DW was and is still somewhat a family show that tries to scare and entertain older children.

So Clara learns again that she has been around before (remember the reset was suppose to erase the Doctor telling her that). So she's bound to ask.

JWBullfrog · « **Reply #39 on:** May 06, 2013, 01:48:00 AM »

I actually liked this episode. A bond villain plot, another reappearance of Madam Vastra and company, and some interesting plot points.

Vastra and co, are now going to be concerned about the reappearance of Clara. Someone they knew was dead. The Doctor is acting stranger than usual. And something bigger is brewing in the background. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

Side note: Accurate directions being given by Thomas Thomas... subtle joke there. I like it.

Golden Ace · « **Reply #40 on:** May 06, 2013, 02:25:17 AM »

Quote from: JWBullfrog on May 06, 2013, 01:48:00 AM

I actually liked this episode. A bond villain plot, another reappearance of Madam Vastra and company, and some interesting plot points.

Vastra and co, are now going to be concerned about the reappearance of Clara. Someone they knew was dead. The Doctor is acting stranger than usual. And something bigger is brewing in the background. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

Side note: Accurate directions being given by Thomas Thomas... subtle joke there. I like it.

lol

damn it. I just got that. *Forehead slap*

I hope the kid sticks with them. I like him.

eabrace · « **Reply #41 on:** May 06, 2013, 02:35:27 AM »

Quote from: JWBullfrog on May 06, 2013, 01:48:00 AM

Side note: Accurate directions being given by Thomas Thomas... subtle joke there. I like it.

When the kid gave directions, I was thinking, "He sounds just like a GPS." Yeah, I walked right into that one.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #42 on:** May 06, 2013, 12:40:32 PM »

I kept being reminded of The Happiness Patrol with this episode.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #43 on:** May 06, 2013, 04:45:30 PM »

Quote from: JWBullfrog on May 06, 2013, 01:48:00 AM

Vastra and co, are now going to be concerned about the reappearance of Clara. Someone they knew was dead. The Doctor is acting stranger than usual. And something bigger is brewing in the background. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.

The Doctor doesn't know and he rarely if, at least with this Doctor, ever admits when he doesn't have a clue, or at least a theory or even an educated guess.

I would like more Clara/Doctor banter however, I missed that. I blame the new 44 minute length that these episodes have. In longer episodes you can fill the time with clever and witty dialog between the running about scenes but now there's almost no time. We really need a two parter.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #44 on:** May 12, 2013, 08:51:16 PM »

Didn't get much enjoyment out of the Cyberman episode.

But while rewatching the Sweetville adventure it became apparent that Matt Smith makes a perfect Frankenstein's monster.

Rust · « **Reply #45 on:** May 12, 2013, 08:57:46 PM »

I adored the Cyberman episode. After 50 years, the Cybermen have adapted. Brand new Status Quo for a classic villain without casting out everything that made them such a threat.

Mandu · « **Reply #46 on:** May 13, 2013, 02:11:01 AM »

I thought the episode was pretty good. Only two things I didn't like about it was the borgified Doctor acting all flamboyant and Matt Smithish with both the Doctor and Cyber Planner personality dominant. Cybermen have never had personality. The whole point of Cybermen is the suppression of emotion.

And I suppose the second didn't really bother me a lot because I'm used to accepting nonsense in the name of entertainment for Doctor Who. But pointing out the missing galaxy made me cringe. The closest galaxy to the Milky Way is 2 million light years away. Even if they were in another galaxy and space were so crowded the galaxies were practically colliding it would still be at least 200,000 years before that part of the sky turned black.

And next week in the finale the three stooges are back.

Mandu · « **Reply #47 on:** May 13, 2013, 02:17:17 AM »

Oh and before somebody mentions that there are galaxies far closer to us than 2 million light years I'm not counting dwarf galaxies since the on pointed out took up a sizable area of the sky so it would have to be a very large galaxy. On the other hand I suppose I could be wrong and it was a dwarf galaxy only 10,000 light years away. Heck, lets call it 5,000 light years. But it still wouldn't be a black spot in the sky yet.

FemFury · « **Reply #48 on:** May 13, 2013, 05:51:37 AM »

Quote from: Mandu on May 13, 2013, 02:17:17 AM

Oh and before somebody mentions that there are galaxies far closer to us than 2 million light years I'm not counting dwarf galaxies since the on pointed out took up a sizable area of the sky so it would have to be a very large galaxy. On the other hand I suppose I could be wrong and it was a dwarf galaxy only 10,000 light years away. Heck, lets call it 5,000 light years. But it still wouldn't be a black spot in the sky yet.

Ex-physics major here. That bugged me too.

The only handwave I could come up with is maybe the "amusement park world" was purposefully built around a rogue star, outside the galaxy, only 950 light-years from the nearby dwarf galaxy which was destroyed in the cyber-wars. Such a location would make for spectacular night-time views the right time of year (like Sagan's "not a sunrise, but a galaxy-rise"). And it would be an "exotic locale" for the galactic civilization. And it would be a good "middle of nowhere" to send a punishment platoon for an intergalactic empire, once the park shut down. And its extreme closeness to the last stand of the cybermen would explain the remnant force. (maybe the entrepreneur accidentally built on a world which had a deeply hidden reserve force)

Golden Ace · « **Reply #49 on:** May 13, 2013, 11:26:07 PM »

Yeah the whole Missing galaxy thing bothered me too.

even if it were close enough that you would see the first few stars go out, it would take tens of thousands of years before you saw all of them go out even for a small galaxy.

now if you didn't blow them up but rather simply erased them from time so that they never existed that would make the nice empty hole to view...

JWBullfrog · « **Reply #50 on:** May 19, 2013, 01:08:17 AM »

!

I simply did not see that coming. Wow.

Mandu · « **Reply #51 on:** May 19, 2013, 03:02:48 AM »

wow..... I mean....

I think I'm going to be speechless until November.

HalcyonS · « **Reply #52 on:** May 19, 2013, 03:42:09 AM »

My roommate sort of called it, but not like that.

FatherXmas · « **Reply #53 on:** May 19, 2013, 08:31:07 AM »

I thought she might have been a fragment of the Tardis persona fragmented across time when it exploded. Turns out she is sort of the eternal companion.

Well I think this was the last time we see River. I don't think I've ever seen the Doctor so emotional, so passionate, so straightforward romantic toward any of his companions. River really was someone very special to him.

November can't come fast enough.

Rust · « **Reply #54 on:** May 19, 2013, 09:01:38 AM »

Looking forward to the resolution.

Golden Ace · « **Reply #55 on:** May 19, 2013, 02:26:05 PM »

NOVEMBER!!!!!?

!???

Tenzhi · « **Reply #56 on:** May 19, 2013, 06:16:38 PM »

Quote from: FatherXmas on May 19, 2013, 08:31:07 AM

Well I think this was the last time we see River. I don't think I've ever seen the Doctor so emotional, so passionate, so straightforward romantic toward any of his companions. River really was someone very special to him.

Given the potential implication that she was downloaded into the TARDIS through Clara's telepathic link, I wouldn't be so sure about River.

The 50th Anniversary special can't come soon enough. I want to find out more about John Hurt's "the Doctor" and where he fits in.

Loved the Valeyard reference. The Trial of a Time Lord is one of my favourite arcs.

Rust · « **Reply #57 on:** May 19, 2013, 09:23:56 PM »

So...Clara was on Gallifrey when the Doctor stole the TARDIS. Meaning in at least one incarnation, she was a Gallifreyian (Which would explain then how she could read the History of the Time War in Journey to the Center of the TARDIS).

What if Clara was the mysterious Lady in White from Ten's final adventure The End of Time?

Mental Maden · « **Reply #58 on:** May 20, 2013, 04:09:39 PM »

I really loved this episode. Even though I like the Clara/Doctor dynamic, this is the first episode that I loved as much as prior companion's stories. Can't wait for November.

downix · « **Reply #59 on:** May 21, 2013, 05:59:37 AM »

Something I noticed, John Hurt was wearing a dark blue navy jacket, unbuttoned.

The 8th Doctor's outfit changed to a dark blue navy jacket:

dwturducken · « **Reply #60 on:** May 24, 2013, 05:53:02 AM »

The galaxies weren't "going out" they were ceasing to exist. They were being snuffed out at the speed of time, not of light. Much like Madame Vastra turning to talk to Jenny, turning back to the starscape, and then turning back to find Jenny gone. Our normal perceptions of the laws of physics (intergalactic distances, allowing for "heat of the moment" hyperbole, not withstanding) do not apply.

And, yes, "Introducing John Hurt as The Doctor" is the best WHAM! moment that Moffat has given us, yet.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #61 on:** May 24, 2013, 12:30:49 PM »

Quote from: dwturducken on May 24, 2013, 05:53:02 AM

And, yes, "Introducing John Hurt as The Doctor" is the best WHAM! moment that Moffat has given us, yet.

I immediately began to crave a Doctor Who/Hellboy crossover.

JetFlash · « **Reply #62 on:** May 28, 2013, 08:37:11 PM »

Quote from: downix on May 21, 2013, 05:59:37 AM

Something I noticed, John Hurt was wearing a dark blue navy jacket, unbuttoned.

The 8th Doctor's outfit changed to a dark blue navy jacket:

That was the first thought I had when I saw John Hurt... I am guessing that he is going to be playing the 8th Doctor. After all, Eccleston's 9th Doctor talked about the Time War in past tense...

JWBullfrog · « **Reply #63 on:** May 29, 2013, 12:42:45 AM »

I'm not sure about the 8th Doctor theory. The way I'm seeing things is that he did something before he became the 1st Doctor that caused him to lock that persona away and to become The Doctor in an attempt to set right what he had done wrong.
Just a thought. We'll have to wait and see.

Mental Maden · « **Reply #64 on:** June 01, 2013, 11:33:24 PM »

http://www.nerdist.com/2013/06/breaking-news-matt-smith-to-leave-doctor-who/

FatherXmas · « **Reply #65 on:** June 02, 2013, 12:43:03 AM »

Yep, saw that on IO9. Also saw this, not as fun as the "they fight crime" generator but humorous at times. Plus Karen "Amy Pond" Gillan is playing a villain in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

Golden Ace · « **Reply #66 on:** June 02, 2013, 03:21:10 AM »

Bring back David Tennant...

Tenzhi · « **Reply #67 on:** June 02, 2013, 12:14:17 PM »

Can't really say I'll miss Matt Smith all that much. He never really grew on me.

Mental Maden · « **Reply #68 on:** June 02, 2013, 01:34:01 PM »

Quote from: Tenzhi on June 02, 2013, 12:14:17 PM

Can't really say I'll miss Matt Smith all that much. He never really grew on me.

Boo!

Tenzhi · « **Reply #69 on:** June 02, 2013, 02:21:04 PM »

It can't be helped. Many of his episodes have been pretty ho-hum to me, and mostly what I've enjoyed of his run has been the direct result of his friends and companions. I like John Hurt's Doctor more and I've only known him for a few moments. But Matt Smith still isn't my least liked Doctor - that one is still Peter Davison's Doctor (honestly, Peter Davison's Campion is a better Doctor than Peter Davison's Doctor).

downix · « **Reply #70 on:** June 02, 2013, 07:34:56 PM »

With the regular use of Richard Grant, who played the Doctor in the Scream of the Shakla, another thought has struck me. In End of Days, the Doctor talked about how the Time Lords kept rewriting history, which is how they ressurected the Master and Rassilon. This would in turn rewrite the Doctors own history in the process. What if the cannon becomes that the 8th Doctor got rewritten by the whole affair? This resulted in first the shift from the Doc Holiday outfit to the navy jacket. Then the shift to the Shakla Doctor, who again sports a similar outfit. This fits with the way in which the Shakla Doctor behaves, always complaining about being driven and commanded to do something for a higher group. This fits a doctor who is being commanded on the field of battle by the Time Lords. Then as the laws of reality keep twisting the universe, we get John Hurt's Doctor, one now driven to near madness from the twists to his timeline caused by the war. To save himself, he locked away the war, undoing the damage, at the cost of his own life. But as he was at the moment, where the dissolution of the universe or the saving, the storm which swept away the Time War went around him. Thusly, he regenerated instead of being locked away with the rest of the Time Lords as he likely thought would happen. Hence his statement, that he did it without choice, for "peace and sanity." Ending the time war would indeed save sanity and bring peace. The Oncoming Storm, the beast who destroyed everyone he cared for, to save the universe itself.

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