Community-Built COH Style MMORPG

[HEATSTROKE]

 From what I have read and understand from reading their forums TPP's version of Freeform is what I would want to play. It doesnt remove AT's it expands their capabilities and lets you build more of what you envision for your character.

You arent even talking a pre alpha anything yet to my knowledge. I hope CoH comes back and I hope TPP, HaV succeeds as well. If you can have 4,672 fantasy MMO's you can have more than ONE Superhero MMO.

[Segev]

To be fair, more than 2-3. We have CO and DCUO right now, and had CoH/V as well before NCSoft decided they hate making money.

If all the projects succeed, that would put us up to 6.

Given the popularity of superheroes right now, and the fact that cycles of popularity tend to ramp up and down over about 10-15 years, we should be hitting the receding edge of the peak when the Phoenix Project goes live, and THAT might help spur a resurgence of popularity of the genre if we play it right. Even if it doesn't, super-heroes have never stopped having a devoted audience, so 2-6 games supporting playing your own super-powered character should be quite viable.

[Blue Pulsar]

don't forget super-speed :D

I was actually referring to his secondaries as a brute, and I left out Will Power. He has an aura existing a fraction of a millimeter above his skin generated by his bio-electric make-up that is nigh impenetrable. If you can get past that, his skin, while as elastic as ours, is millions of times stronger than the toughest steel plate. If you can somehow get past that, as long as no kryptonite is involved, he can fully heal from wounds in a matter of seconds, on par with Wolverine. Not to mention when he is pushed to the limits, he can utterly will his powers to get stronger, and will himself to get tougher.

But yes, he does have super-speed, on par with the Flash's, and this includes Flurry, SS, and Whirlwind. He also has SJ and Flight. Add to the list of equivalent City of Heroes powers: Frost Breath, a ridiculously powerful version of Laser Beam Eyes, all of the Super Strength powers, Martial Arts (Torqasm Rao and Torqasm Vo, Kryptonian hard martial arts), and even souped up leadership pool. The guy is freaking ridiculous.

[downix]

I was actually referring to his secondaries as a brute, and I left out Will Power. He has an aura existing a fraction of a millimeter above his skin generated by his bio-electric make-up that is nigh impenetrable. If you can get past that, his skin, while as elastic as ours, is millions of times stronger than the toughest steel plate. If you can somehow get past that, as long as no kryptonite is involved, he can fully heal from wounds in a matter of seconds, on par with Wolverine. Not to mention when he is pushed to the limits, he can utterly will his powers to get stronger, and will himself to get tougher.

But yes, he does have super-speed, on par with the Flash's, and this includes Flurry, SS, and Whirlwind. He also has SJ and Flight. Add to the list of equivalent City of Heroes powers: Frost Breath, a ridiculously powerful version of Laser Beam Eyes, all of the Super Strength powers, Martial Arts (Torqasm Rao and Torqasm Vo, Kryptonian hard martial arts), and even souped up leadership pool. The guy is freaking ridiculous.

We had the "pushed to limits, wills powers to get stronger" in CoH already: Inspirations. That's what Inspirations were, in the end.

[Blue Pulsar]

We had the "pushed to limits, wills powers to get stronger" in CoH already: Inspirations. That's what Inspirations were, in the end.

I see what your saying but I don't know if I can agree with that. Inspirations could be used without having to be pushed to the limit. Also, according to the name "inspirations," they were obviously meant to be outside sources of temporary boosts as they caused a person to be inspired by something while, by comparison, will power comes from within. This is not what I was talking about when referring to Superman pushing himself beyond his previous limits to achieve new limits. He does indeed depend on his incredible will to resist certain types of damage (magical and psychic) and to drive his strength and endurance harder.

[Aggelakis]

I see what your saying but I don't know if I can agree with that. Inspirations could be used without having to be pushed to the limit. Also, according to the name "inspirations," they were obviously meant to be outside sources of temporary boosts as they caused a person to be inspired by something while, by comparison, will power comes from within. This is not what I was talking about when referring to Superman pushing himself beyond his previous limits to achieve new limits. He does indeed depend on his incredible will to resist certain types of damage (magical and psychic) and to drive his strength and endurance harder.

I can be inspired by myself. I can be inspired to work harder because I'm getting beat on (mid-combat Inspiration pop). I can be inspired to put up a huge initial fight (pre-combat Inspiration pop). I can be inspired by a fight that I finished successfully (post-combat Inspiration pop).

[Blue Pulsar]

I can be inspired by myself.

Actually, no. The verb "inspire" specifically refers to outside influence. If power, ability, strength, and character come from solely within, it is will power.

[Aggelakis]

Actually, no. The verb "inspire" specifically refers to outside influence. If power, ability, strength, and character come from solely within, it is will power.

"What did I just do? Goddamn, I'm awesome! Let's do more of that!" Wouldn't really call that willpower. Would definitely call that being inspired by myself/my own actions.

[Blue Pulsar]

"What did I just do? Goddamn, I'm awesome! Let's do more of that!" Wouldn't really call that willpower. Would definitely call that being inspired by myself/my own actions.

Doing something cool and trying to do it again? That's not inspiration, that's practicing an accident. Like I said, the definition of inspire specifically denotes an outside force. Besides, if you do something cool unintentionally or accidentally, that's not really a result of your choices and decisions. It's a result of your actions meeting unforeseen forces.

[wei yau]

Of course, many of the actual names given to Inspirations do not fit this idea that they were meant to be outside influences.

And now I feel silly for even posting that, since this has to be one of the more sillier debates here...and that's saying a lot, considering this entire thread.

[Blue Pulsar]

Of course, many of the actual names given to Inspirations do not fit this idea that they were meant to be outside influences.

And now I feel silly for even posting that, since this has to be one of the more sillier debates here...and that's saying a lot, considering this entire thread.

Yeah, it may be a bit silly, but nearly every debate involving superheroes is.

[Golden Girl]

It's just the CoH community's version of Godwin's law - the longer a discussion about CoH powers and abilities goes on for, the more likely it is that Superman will become involved :P

[Blue Pulsar]

It's just the CoH community's version of Godwin's law - the longer a discussion about CoH powers and abilities goes on for, the more likely it is that Superman will become involved :P

This coming from a girl who's Avatar looks like Power Girl. Kara Zor-L, or Earth 2's Supergirl counterpart. (It's totally cool though. I actually like Power Girl more than Supergirl.)

[RioJustice]

Movement...  What was amazing in CoH was movement.  Just a thought, but if you build it they will come.  If you let me move with amazing grace and lightning speed, I will join you.

From Jim and Rio Justice

[TargetOne]

I was actually referring to his secondaries as a brute, and I left out Will Power. He has an aura existing a fraction of a millimeter above his skin generated by his bio-electric make-up that is nigh impenetrable. If you can get past that, his skin, while as elastic as ours, is millions of times stronger than the toughest steel plate. If you can somehow get past that, as long as no kryptonite is involved, he can fully heal from wounds in a matter of seconds, on par with Wolverine. Not to mention when he is pushed to the limits, he can utterly will his powers to get stronger, and will himself to get tougher.

But yes, he does have super-speed, on par with the Flash's, and this includes Flurry, SS, and Whirlwind. He also has SJ and Flight. Add to the list of equivalent City of Heroes powers: Frost Breath, a ridiculously powerful version of Laser Beam Eyes, all of the Super Strength powers, Martial Arts (Torqasm Rao and Torqasm Vo, Kryptonian hard martial arts), and even souped up leadership pool. The guy is freaking ridiculous.

Maybe they ought to change his name from "Superman" to "KitchenSinkMan"?  ;D

[Blue Pulsar]

Maybe they ought to change his name from "Superman" to "KitchenSinkMan"?  ;D

Well, aside from his heat vision and maybe flight, all of his powers could be explained by him having the same abilities as humans but not just 100 times, 1000 times, or even a 1 million times normal, but something almost beyond measurement. While a human can jump so high, he can jump a LOT higher and further. A human can lift between 100-1000 pounds, he can lift a LOT more. A human can blow air out of their lungs, he can blow so much more air that it compresses and becomes extremely cold. A human can see a percentage of the EM spectrum, he can see nearly all of it and much more efficiantly, giving him x-ray vision, microscopic vision, and telescoping vision. A tough person can take a blows that would damage a lot of other things, and then heal from them while Supes can take even heavier blows, and heal even faster. Now consider run speed, intellect, etc. Aside from flight and heat vision, he is basically human but with abilities exponentially higher.

Abilities like flame blasts, telekinesis, teleportation, matter conversion, metal claws sticking out of his hands... That kind of stuff he doesn't have. So, in all actuality, he is basically just what his name in implies. A man that is super. A Superman.

[Segev]

Actually, most of his really seemingly-random way-too-custom-to-the-plot "super powers" are usually, if you look closely, just applications of super-strength+super-speed (and a typical comic book neglect of the consequences to things being acted on at those speeds, treating them as if they were just being acted on normally but watched with FF on a VCR).

[Nebularian]

Actually, most of his really seemingly-random way-too-custom-to-the-plot "super powers" are usually, if you look closely, just applications of super-strength+super-speed (and a typical comic book neglect of the consequences to things being acted on at those speeds, treating them as if they were just being acted on normally but watched with FF on a VCR).

LOL  Had a friend who could not stand comic characters that traveled at super-speed, whether flying or running because the comics refused to show the extreme damage such feats would cause :)  especially environmental.  Actually pitched a fit when I wrote a fan-fic story that detailed the super-speed gimmick used in the Silver age for Supergirl and superboy to travel to the 30th century...made me take the characters out of the Earth's atmosphere before making the attempt.

[Segev]

In a story I occasionally work on that has nothing to do with CoH or the Phoenix Project, I have a "super-speeder" whose actual power is the ability to warp the relative speed of time for himself. So he slows time down to a snail's pace from his perspective to move "super-fast." Because of differences in perceived velocity, this has very strange effects when it comes to force and impulse/force-transfer.

He sees himself just poking something (firmly) at an inch per second or so. The rest of the world sees his finger moving in at roughly mach 8. Mass is the same in both cases. F=ma, and so the force seen by the object being poked is monumental, and it shatters under the impact. Meanwhile, the character feels something fragile crack, powder, and give way before the lightest of touches.

He learned very quickly to never make time go fast from his perspective. At least, not too fast.

[Rotten Luck]

LOL  Had a friend who could not stand comic characters that traveled at super-speed, whether flying or running because the comics refused to show the extreme damage such feats would cause :)  especially environmental.  Actually pitched a fit when I wrote a fan-fic story that detailed the super-speed gimmick used in the Silver age for Supergirl and superboy to travel to the 30th century...made me take the characters out of the Earth's atmosphere before making the attempt.

I just read a story where the main Mad Scientist complained on this very thing.