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An Idea
« on: February 03, 2013, 03:21:26 AM »
A question for the tech guys; I'm curious if it would be possible to play the game locally on your own computer, using it in place of the server needed to login? Teaming with other would obviously be out of the question if this is possible. Would like to fly/ss/sj/tp across Atlas again.

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Re: An Idea
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2013, 04:54:44 AM »
While I can't speak for the tech guys... I'd advise patience.

They've already cracked things sufficiently to give us "Icon," so we have access to the game's character creator, under the two month mark. That's very encouraging.

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Re: An Idea
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 08:02:12 AM »
Honestly...I'm doubtful that it's possible without either rewriting the code in the game to point to a certain IP address as a server..or rewriting it to be single-player.. and/or removing the requirement for the NCSoft loader to execute it.

Cracking is one thing...making actual revisions is another..and has certain legal consequences...I'm sure..? ???



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Re: An Idea
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2013, 08:22:18 AM »
The thing is, there has to be a server on the other side of the client connection obeying its API to tell the client stuff like what map you're on, where you are, where the camera is, etc.  That really is the hard part, as writing even something as simple as just a server that allows you to walk around an empty map is a monumental task, let alone anything that would allow you to use powers, fight villains, etc.  But make no mistake, there are people working on it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2013, 10:53:06 AM »
Even to do it locally you'd need most of the server functionality in place anyway. All it would need from there to be a fully functional server would be more power and reliability to run thousands of players rather than just one, and an internet connection with the required bandwidth. Everything else you'd need regardless even in a local server, and you're not going to get the client running without the other half of that equation.

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 05:28:21 PM »
Another idea.

"...there has to be a server on the other side of the client connection obeying its API to tell the client stuff like what map you're on, where you are, where the camera is, etc.  That really is the hard part, as writing even something as simple as just a server that allows you to walk around an empty map is a monumental task, let alone anything that would allow you to use powers, fight villains, etc.  But make no mistake, there are people working on it."

Okay, that's that. But in the meantime, let's assume our people will be successful, given time.

Right now, we have the Icon program, we have access to our beloved character creator. How difficult would it be to have some of our artistically-minded folks editing the costume graphics files?

For example, a lot of the "patterns" are at a lower resolution because they were created at game release. Let's assume we will actually manage to create our own server. Is anything stopping us from replacing the costume graphics with our own? What's stopping us from taking over "Sexy Jay's" job, and creating and sharing whatever costumes we want? We could also reorganize things a bit.

I myself would love to contribute to such a project, if I knew what programs were necessary and where the graphics were stored. That would keep a lot of us busy and happy.

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Re: An Idea
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 05:32:46 PM »
WOW.  I hadn't thought of that.  And I suppose, as long as they are simply private things now...even some Iconic symbols/costumes could be added.   What a thought.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 05:42:37 PM »
Hmm.. concerned about that. I was a part of the graphics editing group that created custom skins for the old Freedom Force game. Several of our sites like the Skindex had C 'n Ds served up from Marvel. And now Marvel's owned by Disney. Probably best not to tick off Disney just now, yes? Time Warner either.

Still, glad you dig the idea.

I wonder if we could tidy up some of the animations too?

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 11:11:27 PM »
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Re: An Idea
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 11:13:44 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 11:49:06 PM »
Hmm..btw - NCSoft's official EULA:

*legal snip*

We really want to head down this road? O.o

NCSoft wronged us all by shutting down *our* game.

As long as we don't do anything for profit, or something that is blatantly violating their IP, we'll be fine.

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Re: An Idea
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 12:20:52 AM »
Thank you, Dylan.

LadyShin, NCSoft's EULA is void. It expired the day they shut down the server. It's of no more consequence.

We are already modifying the game, as the "Icon" program proves. If you're that concerned about the intellectual property rights -- in today's climate?!  :o  -- of that douchebag company, well you don't hafta download it. :: Shrug. ::
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Re: An Idea
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 05:36:12 AM »
A question for the tech guys; I'm curious if it would be possible to play the game locally on your own computer, using it in place of the server needed to login? Teaming with other would obviously be out of the question if this is possible. Would like to fly/ss/sj/tp across Atlas again.

Yes, but you will still need a server of some sort. It will just be operating on the same machine as the client, but there's no way around the client-server architecture.

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2013, 04:43:34 PM »
Once the techies have the game working, perhaps they could modify the game to do this. I expect that's for later, though, given what Tony's saying.

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2013, 11:28:18 PM »
LadyShin, NCSoft's EULA is void. It expired the day they shut down the server. It's of no more consequence.

I think this.  Considering they forced us to press accept every time we wanted to log in while the game was up, they can no longer force us to accept it since we can't log in anymore, and the game technically doesn't even exist anymore.

I'm sure there's some legal mumbo jumbo that makes things more muddy than my reasoning but really... we can no longer press accept even if we want to, for all intents and purposes the EULA doesn't exist for a game that doesn't exist.
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 02:13:44 AM »
In regards to a local server... sure.  You would need two computers, and the server code and whatever else hodgepodging to do that (account server, etc.)  And the client computer, of course.

If you can get a local IP'd server up and running, then it is possible to have a local router to redirect any request to any other server to that local one, and have a lot of fun playing with yourself.  Easy!

/Wait... something about that doesn't sound right.

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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2013, 02:44:06 AM »
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Re: An Idea
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 02:50:50 AM »
I can do you one better, VV...

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(iii) modify, or create a derivative work of, any Service, Content, Software, or parts thereof; and/or

Created a character? You violated the EULA.

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Re: An Idea
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2013, 02:57:35 AM »
Jeez, and I forgot Paragon Wiki, which copied over entire parts of the dialogue.

Let's not forget all of the fanfiction out there as well.

You know, given all that...I think NCSoft would actually be hard put to defend its copyright, since they not only didn't defend it before, but actually encouraged violations of their own EULA.
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Re: An Idea
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2013, 03:19:27 AM »
Thank you, Dylan.

LadyShin, NCSoft's EULA is void. It expired the day they shut down the server. It's of no more consequence.


Not to mention the legal power of EULA's are dubious to begin with..