Fantastic Four Reboot!

[Portland Underground]

I hope they do it justice this time.  Please lord, no Alba.  Just...no.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/173981-release-date-set-for-fantastic-four-reboot

[MaidMercury]

Yes, while I watched both films in the Theatre to support Stan Lee,
I wasn't happy with the actors chosen. Mr.Fantastic was o.k. though.

I also wasn't happy with actor chosen for Capt.America, it is way off.

[corvus1970]

I also wasn't happy with actor chosen for Capt.America, it is way off.

I don't agree.

Anyway, this reboot is definitely overdue. The previous pair of films irritated the snot out of me on several fronts. While I don't expect slavish homages (just the opposite in fact: I completely understand the need to change things when stories jump mediums), I also don't like it when they make changes that don't need to be made or made so drastically.

For example, Doom in the first film: they decided to have him along for the ride, and mutated him along with the Fantastic Four proper. I did not like that at all.

And in the second film, apart from Alba looking like a damned mannequin that was dwelling deep in the uncanny valley, I hated Galactus as a giant space-vortex. Sure, I don't expect a big dude in a tuning-fork helmet wearing that silly outfit, but what we got was absolutely horrible.

So yes please, reboot away!

[Profit]

I must be the only person in the world who liked the FF movies lol. The only complaint I had with them was Doom.

Also, to completely ruin my credibility, I think that the Ang Lee Hulk was better than the Norton Hulk, because if I wanted the TV show, I'd watch the TV show. And Edward Norton is no Bill Bixby. Although, Mark Ruffalo is the best Hulk.

[corvus1970]

You know, I was concerned about Ruffalo when he was cast. as usually I shrugged and said "wait and see" to myself.

Now I want some stand-alone Hulk films with Ruffalo in em. He was so darned awesome in The Avengers. I think he signed something like a 5-6 picture deal, so one can hope!

[Profit]

I was exactly the same way and went into Avengers with a little fear for the part. Ruffalo won me over the moment he hit the table and then switched gears back to calm smiling so quickly.

[FatherXmas]

Well they obviously need to recast because you can't have the face of Capt America being the same as Johnny Storm.

I didn't mind Ms Alba except the chemistry between her and Reed was simply non-existent.

[Profit]

True about Capt A and Johnny Storm.

Although, I thought Chris Evans and Micheal Chilkis were perfect as the The Human Torch and The Thing.

[corvus1970]

Chilkis was the best Thing (no pun intended) about those films. He was really good.

[houtex]

I must be the only person in the world who liked the FF movies lol. The only complaint I had with them was Doom.

Also, to completely ruin my credibility, I think that the Ang Lee Hulk was better than the Norton Hulk, because if I wanted the TV show, I'd watch the TV show. And Edward Norton is no Bill Bixby. Although, Mark Ruffalo is the best Hulk.

Ang Lee messed the Hulk up so bad, I didn't think they'd be able to save it.  Thankfully, I was wrong, and definitely agree that Ruffalo is a much better *Banner.*  Ed Norton is good, though, and I truly liked his take on Banner.

NONE of those guys were Hulk.  Just VOs at that point for the little bit of lines.

But nope, I liked both FF movies, and am a little sad that they didn't find their following and the FF have to be rebooted.  Although I will say that the chemistry of Sue and Mr. Fantastic was just so... gah.  Acid is less torturous than the tension they made between those two, both movies.  Really?  Stuck up b*tch...

That's not Alba's fault, mind, that's the writer's.  I thought all the characters were done well, just written badly.  Silver Surfer himself ruled big time, and the second was a better movie than the first, but the damage was done by the 'character development', which should have been done between the two lovebirds.  Thing and Johnny were dead on, ya ask me, I liked the smart-ass and the straight man they were doing... Laurel and Hardy, or Abbot and Costello anyone?

Nonetheless, I am anxious to see who they cast now.  If they don't pull a Green Lantern, and instead pull an Ed Norton Hulk movie off, it'll be good stuff.

/Then we'll see "The Fantastic Avengers" or something where the two franchises square off against each other and then pull together to once again save the world from Doom. 
//Perhaps literally, as Doom or Galactus, plus Thanos or maybe Ultrion or possibly Korvac, could be in play by then...  I dunno, as long as it's Whedon in command, we're good.

[corvus1970]

Actually, Ruffalo did all the motion-capture for the Hulk, so yeah, he was not only Banner, but the hulk as well. So, neener!

[Profit]

And I think I read somewhere that Lou Ferigno (sp) did the voice of Hulk in the Avengers.

I think Ang Lee did a brilliant job wih Hulk as he tried to make a hulk movie with story instead of just two hours of hulk smash. I get that all most people want is hulk smash with a ligh storyline though.

[FatherXmas]

True about Capt A and Johnny Storm.

Although, I thought Chris Evans and Micheal Chilkis were perfect as the The Human Torch and The Thing.

Definitely, now that was chemistry.   It's just too bad about Hornblower and Max.

And I think I read somewhere that Lou Ferigno (sp) did the voice of Hulk in the Avengers.

I think Ang Lee did a brilliant job wih Hulk as he tried to make a hulk movie with story instead of just two hours of hulk smash. I get that all most people want is hulk smash with a ligh storyline though.

Yes, Lou voiced Hulk in all both movies (as Norton's and Ruffallo's "other guy").

[Nos482]

TBH all I want from a FF movie is him

Even if he would look like THIS

...and maybe a Thing that doesn't look like a pile of rubber on a rather small guy.
Make Grimm all CGI instead and bigger.

[Portland Underground]

Make Grimm all CGI instead and bigger.

I like that idea!  Chiklis certainly had Ben's spirit, but a CGI Thing would be capable of so much more physically.  And for me, Doom needs to be played by an actor with serious gravity.  Thinking Sir Ian as Magneto levels.   Not sure who that could be...but someone who could imbue that magnificent combination of arrogance and malevolence that Doom exudes.

[Profit]

Honestly I'm pretty sick of the CGI stuff. I think Ben was fine the way he was personally.

As for Doom... Sometimes I wonder if Pierce Brosnan could pull it off. Occasionally George Clooney pops into my head, but I'm saving him for a good Batman movie. (Which he can do, that atrocity was all Schumakers fault, and for the people who say he can't do it I point you to Oceans 11, just imagine Clooneys name in that movie is Bruce.)

[Battlechimp]

For example, Doom in the first film: they decided to have him along for the ride, and mutated him along with the Fantastic Four proper. I did not like that at all.

This part was actually taken from the Ultimate Fantastic Four comics.  Doom's body became metal and he had those electrical powers.  have a few problems with that myself, but I do think it works better for a short explination of Doom becoming even more power hungry and to hate Reed beyond, "Oh no you scarred my face in an accident from when we were back in college"

I was rather disappointed in how Doom never talked in the third person.  First movie, I can kinda see it.  He hasn't made his way to that level of meglomania yet.  But that last fight scene was a great place to put it in.  And in the second movie when he confronted the Surfer in the arctic.  His line "No one turns their back on me!"  really should have been along the lines of "None thurn their back on DOOM!"  It was the perfect oppurtunity and they missed it.

As for the reboot, I'm ok with it.  But I would rather Fox just give up on it and hand them back to Marvel.

[Cobra Man]

The first movie was let down by the way they handled Doom.

Had they stuck with the way he is always portrayed in the Marvel Universe, then the film might have been better received.

I would have Viggo Mortensen cast in the role of Doom. He's well capable of supplying the gravity that's required.

I also think that the writers really need to steer well clear of the Ultimate Universe version of the FF.

[corvus1970]

This part was actually taken from the Ultimate Fantastic Four comics.  Doom's body became metal and he had those electrical powers.  have a few problems with that myself, but I do think it works better for a short explination of Doom becoming even more power hungry and to hate Reed beyond, "Oh no you scarred my face in an accident from when we were back in college"

Yeah, I later found out that's how they did it in the Ultimates-verse, but that doesn't help *lol*. I like Victor as a genius who is THAT vain and THAT nuts, and not as a mutate like the FF themselves. But then I'm an old fogey

As for the reboot, I'm ok with it.  But I would rather Fox just give up on it and hand them back to Marvel.

1000x this!

[Mental Maden]

Also, to completely ruin my credibility, I think that the Ang Lee Hulk was better than the Norton Hulk, because if I wanted the TV show, I'd watch the TV show. And Edward Norton is no Bill Bixby. Although, Mark Ruffalo is the best Hulk.

Your credibility is safe with me.  I liked a lot of things about the Ang Lee Hulk.  The hulk dogs and the Absorbing Daddy bits were bad, but I liked the visuals and the look of the Hulk better in Lee's over Nortons.  Then came the Avengers and I forgot both of them.

[Thirty-Seven]

Yes, while I watched both films in the Theatre to support Stan Lee,
I wasn't happy with the actors chosen. Mr.Fantastic was o.k. though.

Human Torch was very well cast... he was hot!  (Oh, man, I am so funny!)

[Superlorne]

Okay, so Jessica Alba as The Invisible Woman may have been appealing eye-candy, but didn't do the role justice, by many accounts. Whom do YOU think would make a better Susan Storm Richards?

My particular vote is for Julia Stiles.

[houtex]

Oh.  Yes, let's just do that... on second thought, no.

I seriously don't want any known people.  I want unknowns this time.  It's not about one character, so if it's a new actress, as well as all new actors, I'm completely fine with that.  Use the star power to run the VILLAIN.  Not the heroes.

I take y'all back to Superman '78.  Out of nowhere, bam, Christopher Reeve.  Perfect.  Outta the park.  Hackman and Brando were the heavy hitters of that film (not that Beatty, Kidder, or Ford weren't either, but still.)  Like that. 

You do that with FF, and I bet it'll be awesome, because the new heroes will *care* they got the part, and want to do it with earnest.

/But first... Whedon needs to sign up for it.  I'm completely serious.  Although I know the story's written and the director already on board.  Whedon.  Do it, Fox.
//never even *heard* of this Chronicle movie... is it good?
///Although I have heard of this show called Heroes... which was good at first... so maybe it will be ok if they can't secure Whedon.  Or, if possible, Kevin Smith. Totally.
////Oh, yeah, I can see it now... Jay and Silent Bob show up somewhere hangin' around a corner while all the action ensues.  Epic.
/////Oh, ok... Alice Eve.  I can totally see her in the part.  I don't know why.  Probably that Star Trek trailer.  And tell me blue isn't her color.  I dare you. http://i2.listal.com/image/2801979/600full-alice-eve.jpg  (it's sorta safe... pretty plunging though...)

[Tenzhi]

I think Ang Lee did a brilliant job wih Hulk as he tried to make a hulk movie with story instead of just two hours of hulk smash. I get that all most people want is hulk smash with a ligh storyline though.

It's okay to have a story, as long as there's some decent smash along the way.  There's no reason you can't have both.  What I hated about Ang Lee's Hulk (other than the dogs and the dad) was the rubber-skinned, baby-faced, ever-growing Hulk (despite the hand-wavy explanations from the director, I remain convinced that it was just a convenient way to not have to put thought into keeping a consistent scale).  Of course, since the story heavily depended on the dad, there's no saving grace for that movie.

I didn't entirely hate the two more recent FF movies, though.  I hated Doom, and Reed and Sue were both forgettable, and Galactus sucked, but I liked Johnny and Ben enough that the movies were watchable.  I'm fine with a reboot if they get Doom right and don't screw up the Thing in the process. 

[Tanglefoe]

I was a big Lost fan and can picture Michael Emmerson as a good Dr. Doom. 

[Kederren]

I like Emmerson, but disagree. I find his voice to be too tenor and thin. I am reminded, by your suggestion, of Caviezel, however. I think he could do Doom.

[Tanglefoe]

I've been a big fan of Jim Caviezel ever since The Count of Monte Cristo.  That would be interesting, but it would be a hard time seeing him as Dr. Doom after seeing him as Jesus 

I really liked the idea of Hugo Weaving as Red Skull, but Dr.  Doom is (my opinion) so much more interesting and he would have been my first choice.  I know people had a hard time with recycling the same actor for Cap America as Human Torch so I don't see it happening.  You could counter with the fact that they both wear a mask and you would never see their face. 

Reminds me of way back when I first heard Heath Ledger was going to play Joker.  I had a hard time picturing it and said something like Cillian Murphy would have been a great Joker but they waisted him on Scarecrow.  I ended up loving Heath Ledger's Joker for the record.  That was just my reaction when I first heard about it.

[Tenzhi]

I think Jason Isaacs could be a good Doom.

[Profit]

Never considered Jim caviezel as Doom. That's brilliant.

[Electric-Knight]

As for the reboot, I'm ok with it.  But I would rather Fox just give up on it and hand them back to Marvel.

Yep, same here.
Unfortunately, this is likely to be another half-hearted venture just to retain the rights and make some profits as safely and efficiently as a lousy formulaic machine can spew out.


As for Doom in the previous attempts... GOOD GRIEF!!!
Doom is basically Vader before Vader! Flashier... more comicbooky! How could anyone think it a good idea to turn Doom into more of a WB/CW teenager tv show camp villain?? The rest of the first movie was tolerable (lack of depth, quality, charisma and chemistry [minus Johnny Storm on those two counts] aside), the lousy portrayal/concept of Doom destroyed that movie for me (and I am not even a big comicbook reader... although I DO love my TPB collection of the original FF books!!).

I never imagined that they could get such a great character so very wrong (and, honestly, I didn't even fully mind the different origin... although, I think it does take away from just how diabolical and devoted he is).

Oh, that just reminded me... before the first movie came out, I felt that Doom should not be the featured villain. I felt like it should have been the Skrulls and/or a host of other inter-dimensional and/or extra-terrestrial invaders all piling on top of things at once... something big, bad and absolutely fantastically crazy... THEN introduce DOOM at the end and let that lead into the second movie.

Doom just seemed, to me, to be a better you thought that was bad... now meet Dr. Doom!! and then, of course, you could pull the same thing after that with Gallactus... and so on.

By saving Doom for the sequel, you can build up his background more without having to cram it into everyone else's origin story in the first one.

But... whatever!
We'll see... But, yeah... I am not really counting on any other studios to deliver anything like what the Marvel Studios are capable of.
We lucked out with Sony going with Sam Raimi, but I don't count on such things being the norm.

[Kistulot]

I think that the best Fantastic Four movie was the one by Roger Corman!

...just me?

In all seriousness, I do wish this would go to Marvel instead of being rebooted. Fingers are cossed, but it feels unlikely to not dissappoint.

[Profit]

Never considered Jim caviezel as Doom. That's brilliant.

If you can find last nights Person of Interest and watch his performance, yeah, there's your Doom, he was downright scary.

[Tenzhi]

I think that the best Fantastic Four movie was the one by Roger Corman!

...just me?

It was cheesy bad, but I enjoyed it.

[Kistulot]

It was cheesy bad, but I enjoyed it.

Is there any bad movie line delivery (besides maybe in The Happening) that trumps "We'll call you... the Fantastic Four!"?