And now, a brief word from the Titan Network...

[Electric-Knight]

Suddenly it's starting to feel like a hidden corner of the D in here...  8)

Hey! What Arcana and I do on a public forum is everybody's business!

I see no bi-curious catgirls.

What if I was a bi-polar bear-pig?

[Golden Girl]

What if I was a bi-polar bear-pig?

If you were blue, you'd be Shadow Hunter.

[Rangle M. Down]

The only substantive comment I have is this;

Several posts above have statements mentioning behavior on other sites.  "He was never bad here but he was really bad there" sort of things.

Should not matter.

If we are going to judge people by what they post on other sites and what they do in other places on the internet, then you are all perverts because we all know the internet is for porn.

Seriously though, we can hope that the Admins here are only judging folks by what they do here, because to use hearsay of "on this other site he was a big meanie" would be improper.

While certainly an ideal concept, trying to separate what is posted on this forum vs. the CoH forums isn't always feasible from an emotional stand point. As an example: If you felt that that I argued with you on every post in the CoH forums, or you thought I was being a "troll" there, you're still going to have that emotional response to anything I post here, deservedly or not. It would take time for "me" to prove that I wasn't trolling, or just being argumentative for your emotional response to change.  While I try not to get too worked up over things, I can see how some people can, and will, do so.  'Tis human nature.

[dwturducken]

I would like to point out that this is not my fault:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo

[Perfidus]

I'll see your WoW, and raise you CoH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JziYZ-saFu0

[dwturducken]

<facepalm>

How did I miss this? :)

[Perfidus]

Probably because it's four years old, and only has 30k views. >.< I only knew about it because I was linked to it in game way back. More people should see it though.

[TimtheEnchanter]

I see no bi-curious catgirls.

I see talk of caning. Isn't that sufficient?

[dwturducken]

 :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7YfDIsjtE

[TimtheEnchanter]

:o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7YfDIsjtE

... and James Bond relaxed a little.

[Roughtrade]

While certainly an ideal concept, trying to separate what is posted on this forum vs. the CoH forums isn't always feasible from an emotional stand point.

If someone is posting negative comments about someone else and using 'because he was a douche to me over on another forum' as their proof of unicorn-ness, then they are losing credibility.  If someone is having an emotional reaction and posts out negative things about someone else and is using 'because he was a douche to me on another forum' as their proof, I have even less reason to trust anything they have to say. 

My original point stands.

This entire thread is about someone who let their emotional state over take them and effectively ragequit from Titan.  Tony is kindly explaining some of the mechanics behind how the forums work and why something technical is difficult to do on short notice.  I believe it was in hopes of reducing drama and informing other people who want to take something back that it just ain't that easy to do, so watch what you post. 

It has devolved into a bunch of people ragging on and about the person who has already split the scene, and then defenders of the person coming in to defend him and back and forth.

Pointless.

Thank Tony for explaining the process and move on. 

Calling the guy out over dreck he did over on CoH forums is not just pointless, it's counter productive.  Arguing that you should be allowed to bring in your opinion of someone's posting on other forums as a reason why you should be legitimately allowed to publicly condemn them here is just sad. 

If someone has an issue with another someone in a different forum, that's an issue for those two people.  Trying to make it an issue for everyone else is not what I would consider adult and responsible behavior.

[Rangle M. Down]

Like it or not, past history will both effect and cloud people's judgements and actions. Yours and mine included. That's really all I was saying.

Unlike yourself, I wasn't passing judgement on the validity, or lack there of, of what people were doing and saying in this thread. More of an observation on human nature.

[dwturducken]

Maybe we could try to think of this as a fresh start, then. I don't know most of you coming over from the official forum, but I recognize a lot of names. I see it as a good thing that people are coming here, but I have no preconceptions of anyone. It's a new place, and, if someone wants to start fresh, they should have the chance.

[Roughtrade]

Unlike yourself, I wasn't passing judgement on the validity, or lack there of, of what people were doing and saying in this thread. More of an observation on human nature.

(a) I was not 'passing judgement' on anyone, matter of fact I was requesting people cease that particular activity and (b) You do realize that statement is a passing of judgement.  Right?

[Roughtrade]

Like it or not, past history will both effect and cloud people's judgements and actions. Yours and mine included. That's really all I was saying.

Separated from Snark for Clarity

No.  Don't have to like it.  Don't have to just let it slide because 'Oh well, can't be bothered' type opinions. 

Someone had an issue with Titan Boards and went in a public flame out.  Tony, in a gesture of openness and fairness, explained publicly as to why one of the major complaints of that person was an untenable option for these forums.  Other than a "Thank you Tony" there was really very little else that should have been said about the matter.  Instead it has become a 5+ page thread about people debating over why the guy deserved to be banned, using hearsay information about what he may have been like in other forums.

And while the court of public opinion allows hearsay information for condemnation, I would like to think we can at least make the attempt to prevent that sort of behavior as being the default position. 

[Kistulot]

Someone had an issue with Titan Boards and went in a public flame out.

I added the boldness for emphasis - if it offends I can remove it.

I think this is the issue here is the public nature. I dont really know many of you, but theoretically, lets say I hate Roughtrade because we got in a tiff on the old forums over... a dominator build. I was a huge jerk and kept going on about how elec assault was the worst powerset ever, and demeaned anyone who used it to the point where people were wondering why I wasnt kicked off. (Hypothetical of course. Because elec is always the best power ever).

Now let's say I'm here, and being civil. We're all torn up about CoH - that's why emotions are running so high around here. It's because of a shared passion. So let's say this passion calms theoretical me, but because I've been such a jerk, Roughtrade wants to tear into me for absolutely no good reason. Would I have earned being disliked, mistrusted, and not being accepted until I'd proven consistently that I was changed, and maybe not even then? Yes. But it would still be wrong to blow up at someone for something they did in the past.

I'm not saying that applies to now, as I avoid this sort of situation enough that I rarely know all of what's going on.

But I think this discussion has turned a bit... harmful? It might help to remember why we're all so easily set off lately, agree that we'll all try to handle things smoother in the future, and work for unity at every turn.

Apologies if this post comes off as condescending or patronizing. I just don't want the CoH refugee community to degrade without trying to be diplomatic.

[TimtheEnchanter]

Sadly, I've found that particularly in the current incarnation of society, holding eternal grudges is not only common, but even encouraged. It allows John Doe to remain the butt of jokes in social circles until the end of time, and extra tools for socialization are always seen as a good thing. Add to that a world in which all words spoken between people are more or less engraved in stone, and it all becomes pretty pathetic.  :-\

[dwturducken]

Maybe this time it's because of the time difference, Gangrel being in the UK, but I have no idea what happened. I woke up one morning, all his/her posts were manually deleted, in an epic display of childishness, and there was this thread. I never had a problem with Gangrel, but I never hung out on the official boards, much.

[Mr. NoPants]

I see no bi-curious catgirls.

Do you want me to ask my wife to make an account here then?

[corvus1970]

Sadly, I've found that particularly in the current incarnation of society, holding eternal grudges is not only common, but even encouraged. It allows John Doe to remain the butt of jokes in social circles until the end of time, and extra tools for socialization are always seen as a good thing. Add to that a world in which all words spoken between people are more or less engraved in stone, and it all becomes pretty pathetic.  :-\

Indeed. We've become increasingly insular, self-centered, and very, very petty as a society.