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Re: And NC says...
« Reply #180 on: October 03, 2012, 05:45:36 AM »
That is great, Eldershinjo. He's absolutely right. We'll get further by doing more bitching and whining than we will by just 'not buying things.'  Now to go think about how to bitch and whine in the most PR-inconvenient way for NCSoft possible. . .

But then, a friend of mine showed me this... (warning, the language is NSFW, but I believe that the message being said here must be heard by more people...)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6187-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win

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Re: And NC says...
« Reply #181 on: October 03, 2012, 05:49:37 AM »
Well here is something that occurred to me.  It will take some research....but in most cultures there is a token, an object or something of the sort, that indicates that you have committed an act of such shame and cowardice that you really should consider going home and drowning yourself.  In the West it is a white feather--white feathers were given to young men in WWI who did not enlist, very often by young women.  I am sure there is something similar in Korean culture.

Now imagine dozens, hundreds of such tokens sent to NCSoft...attached to "save CoH" cards.
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« Reply #182 on: October 03, 2012, 05:55:42 AM »
I found this on the 1up website while searching around in Google. While it's a blog they do have an Articles section... has anybody been in touch with any editors there?

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9114174
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Re: And NC says...
« Reply #183 on: October 03, 2012, 05:59:52 AM »
Well here is something that occurred to me.  It will take some research....but in most cultures there is a token, an object or something of the sort, that indicates that you have committed an act of such shame and cowardice that you really should consider going home and drowning yourself.  In the West it is a white feather--white feathers were given to young men in WWI who did not enlist, very often by young women.  I am sure there is something similar in Korean culture.

Now imagine dozens, hundreds of such tokens sent to NCSoft...attached to "save CoH" cards.


This. Do we got any Asian culture specialists in the house? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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« Reply #184 on: October 03, 2012, 06:06:02 AM »
It's not quite as general as that, and it may be something that could seriously backfire.  It's very late for me, so lemme revisit this in the morning and report back. (caviat: NOT an expert, just done a lot of research into early 20th century Asian history.)
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Re: And NC says...
« Reply #185 on: October 03, 2012, 06:09:05 AM »
That is great, Eldershinjo. He's absolutely right. We'll get further by doing more bitching and whining than we will by just 'not buying things.'  Now to go think about how to bitch and whine in the most PR-inconvenient way for NCSoft possible. . .

I'll assume you are actually serious here and go with this...
We /have/ been 'bitching and whining' in our own way... Namely by following TonyV and loudly showing our support for the game and the Developers.
the fact that they took the time to write us that BS letter saying 'We loved the game' and 'We exhausted our options' shows that they have heard us. Now, we must continue to be vocal and keep giving them a headache from all our 'Bitching and whining.'

Shouldn't be too hard for some people, I heard enough of it when the game was running alive and well...
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« Reply #186 on: October 03, 2012, 06:14:03 AM »
It's not quite as general as that, and it may be something that could seriously backfire.  It's very late for me, so lemme revisit this in the morning and report back. (caviat: NOT an expert, just done a lot of research into early 20th century Asian history.)

Anyone know anyone at Chicago's Oriental Institute?  Or just in Chicago?  They are usually really good at answering questions like this over the phone.
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« Reply #187 on: October 03, 2012, 06:16:18 AM »
Well here is something you -can- do: Let Mr. Kim know he needs to update his message.

Taken from the NCSOFT website (About Us > CEO Message):

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It all started in 1998 with Lineage. We delighted Lineage players with a harmony of great story, breathtaking visuals, and fantastic sound design. Back then, we set out to create a ground-breaking and totally engaging customer experience. That is still our objective.

Today we continue that commitment to quality and innovation. Just over a decade after our founding, we are a global presence in games. We constantly push the boundaries of game design, technology, and services. So not that long ago we were a new upstart competitor. But today with great games like Aion, City of Heroes, and Guild Wars under our belt, we now set the standard for the industry.

Moving forward, we envision new ways to use Internet technologies to entertain, delight, and bring people together. This means new products, reaching more customers, around the world. The future is bright, indeed. We hope you have enjoyed playing our games. We thank you for your support as we innovate and grow. Thank you.

Taek Jin Kim
Chief Executive Officer NCSOFT Corporation

Emphasis mine (areas he should edit... well, should probably just rewrite the whole damn thing).
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« Reply #188 on: October 03, 2012, 06:23:42 AM »
Anyone know anyone at Chicago's Oriental Institute?  Or just in Chicago?  They are usually really good at answering questions like this over the phone.
So the accuracy on this might be a little shaky... but I have reason to believe it relatively truthful. 

My boyfriend is a Japanese Studies minor who recently learned about what gifts to give to your Japanese friend when going over to their house.  Conversely, what not to give.  Knives and scissors, and anything sharp, are a HUGE no-no because they signify "cutting off the relationship".  Similarly, you do not give gifts in sets of four (because apparently that denotes death).

Japan is NOT Korea, obviously.  I am not grouping two separate Asian cultures together.  However, a comprehensive Google search reveals that many of these things (read: all the ones I listed) are in fact the same in South Korean culture.  So I have reason to believe that my search-fu denotes at least some truth, given the information my boyfriend received came from someone who is from Japan and the stuff I found matches his lesson almost word-for-word.

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« Reply #189 on: October 03, 2012, 06:28:05 AM »
Now you've got me thinking of the "Ribbons of Shame" scene from Gung Ho.

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« Reply #190 on: October 03, 2012, 06:43:53 AM »
I'll assume you are actually serious here and go with this...
We /have/ been 'bitching and whining' in our own way... Namely by following TonyV and loudly showing our support for the game and the Developers.
the fact that they took the time to write us that BS letter saying 'We loved the game' and 'We exhausted our options' shows that they have heard us. Now, we must continue to be vocal and keep giving them a headache from all our 'Bitching and whining.'

Shouldn't be too hard for some people, I heard enough of it when the game was running alive and well...

Yes, I was totally serious. That video really pumped me up! (I can see your confusion though. People don't usually call themselves whiners. . . but since the video made a point of that actually working, I went with it!)

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« Reply #191 on: October 03, 2012, 07:13:40 AM »
So the accuracy on this might be a little shaky... but I have reason to believe it relatively truthful. 

My boyfriend is a Japanese Studies minor who recently learned about what gifts to give to your Japanese friend when going over to their house.  Conversely, what not to give.  Knives and scissors, and anything sharp, are a HUGE no-no because they signify "cutting off the relationship".  Similarly, you do not give gifts in sets of four (because apparently that denotes death).

Japan is NOT Korea, obviously.  I am not grouping two separate Asian cultures together.  However, a comprehensive Google search reveals that many of these things (read: all the ones I listed) are in fact the same in South Korean culture.  So I have reason to believe that my search-fu denotes at least some truth, given the information my boyfriend received came from someone who is from Japan and the stuff I found matches his lesson almost word-for-word.

Sets of four are indeed inauspicious in Korean culture as well, as are messages delivered in red ink or print (red characters are associated with death and funerals). Business cards carry far greater importance in Korean business culture than they do in the west, and it is most polite to present them (and accept them) with both hands. The right hand is acceptable, but shows less respect. To use the left hand, particularly when not turning to fully face the other party, is considered flippant and downright rude.

Sooooo...if we have some skilled amateur artists (and no, I'm not going to ask Larry D. to do this...he's a pro and food on the table and a roof overhead take priority over even a much-loved game), perhaps a rendering could be made of a gamer (someone in a CoH logo T-shirt, perhaps?), looking back over his.her left shoulder, reaching out to hand four cards saying "thanks for nothing, NCSoft."  In red...addressed to the CEO by his given name (also considered quite rude).

I'll look up a few more such customs...those were just the ones I recalled.

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« Reply #192 on: October 03, 2012, 07:19:48 AM »
I disagree. CoH players should know better than any the value of the MMO's community. So unless you're prepared to be a rotten apple in their barrel, you are adding value to their game simply by playing it.

I hadn't thought of that. I was just thinking of them having a high number of players and no one buying from the store.
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« Reply #193 on: October 03, 2012, 07:29:37 AM »
When they use the the word exhausted in their response, my first thought is too bad we can't send them some Enriche energy drink.  So that they will feel refreshed and get back to the negotiating table  8)

What the most popular Korean energy drink and can we get it here in the US or in Europe? Send that to them with a nice polite letter saying, I'm really sad to hear you're so exhausted. Perhaps this will help you in your efforts to get back to negotiating.

If we can't get their most popular energy drink then we send them the best known one from whichever country we reside in.
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« Reply #194 on: October 03, 2012, 07:31:39 AM »
What the most popular Korean energy drink and can we get it here in the US or in Europe? Send that to them with a nice polite letter saying, I'm really sad to hear you're so exhausted. Perhaps this will help you in your efforts to get back to negotiating.

If we can't get their most popular energy drink then we send them the best known one from whichever country we reside in.
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« Reply #195 on: October 03, 2012, 07:42:05 AM »
My centre is giving way, my right is retreating, situation excellent, I am attacking.   - Ferdinand Foch.



    Sound familiar?

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« Reply #196 on: October 03, 2012, 07:46:29 AM »
My centre is giving way, my right is retreating, situation excellent, I am attacking.   - Ferdinand Foch.



    Sound familiar?

Why yes! Yes it does!

Sounds like every scrapper I've ever met in this game. Including me. :D


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« Reply #197 on: October 03, 2012, 07:47:36 AM »
Why yes! Yes it does!

Sounds like every scrapper I've ever met in this game. Including me. :D

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Re: And NC says...
« Reply #198 on: October 03, 2012, 07:50:42 AM »
Please consider a number of implications.

Either the letter was a complete lie, there is a lack of buyers, or, I suspect, they set such a price that no buyers could justify it because they do not want a sale but just an excuse.

You should take a lot of effort to NOT BE BAD GUYS.  The letter may actually be a way to cover their position in the media and make any protests sound unreasonable to others.
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« Reply #199 on: October 03, 2012, 07:56:45 AM »
Please consider a number of implications.

Either the letter was a complete lie, there is a lack of buyers, or, I suspect, they set such a price that no buyers could justify it because they do not want a sale but just an excuse.

You should take a lot of effort to NOT BE BAD GUYS.  The letter may actually be a way to cover their position in the media and make any protests sound unreasonable to others.
Not after only 33 days. Negotations can take months to settle on a price. No price has even been introduced so I understand, and investment groups have been ignored. If they set a price, they did so without ever offering it to those able to meet it.