The Shot Heard Around Paragon City - SCORE Public Release

[ChaosMatrix]

Which is a complete lie. They don't cost that much, you can look for yourself extremely easily.

They dont cost that much NOW, the screen was from several years ago.

[Super Atom]

They dont cost that much NOW, the screen was from several years ago.

That server wouldn't cost that much then. It wouldn't be as cheap as now but still not that much my man. Source; Purchased and hosted things on servers more powerful. If they paid that much, they got scammed.

[Super Atom]

Considering how these people have been helpful in so many ways to support the community above and beyond any obligation,  yes.
Leandro was seeding animations for demorecords.
Codewalker pushed out iCon
P-chat ewas pushed out.


Additional technical information had been shared as situations/inquiries arose.


So, yes,  given a choice of whether or not to give then the benefit of the doubt,  they have credibility because they have delivered and the conspiracy theories just don't hold water.

So because they gave us a picture of the game, while they played the real thing we should trust them?????

[ChaosMatrix]

So because they gave us a picture of the game, while they played the real thing we should trust them?????

We were starving, so they gave us a few breadcrumbs while they ate steak everyday, telling us that steak was impossible.

[Angel Phoenix77]

Yes... you could also turn the question around. What are the chances that someone who was banned from the server back in November would decide to release a bunch of youtube videos about it in mid-April, right before the devs on the server were discussing a possible public reveal of it?

Maybe it's a coincidence. Maybe Mr. Destroyer Stroyer had some reasons for choosing this as his time to blow the cover of the server operators. I don't know the answer. If he says it was a coincidence, and I'm forced to choose to believe that one statement is a lie and the other is not, Leandro has "cred" here that Mr. Destroyer Stroyer does not have.

In the original video someone asked why he did this, and his response was "I was going to get banned away." To me this feels more of a "I will show them a what for." I have no doubt that if wasn't going to get banned all we would have are accounts that cannot be confirmed or denied.

Theni in his next video he tried to throw shade on other people. Such Victoria. I believe her when she said she didnt know and wasn't involved same with Tony. I interacted with these sometimes and they seemed sincere. And that is good enough for me.

Like I have said before, it just as though one person wanted to light a fire ad laugh at those that have tried to move on. I dont know Leo or his motivations, and I have posted what I think on several different places.

[Taceus Jiwede]

No,  we don't know that.
And many people have jumped to the negative conclusion just because,  instead of a positive conclusion when we mostly all knew that server project had been in the works.

You are right, we don't know that.  Because we didn't know anything until it was leaked.  I feel it's safe to assume that business would have continued as usual, for as long as possible.  And business, as usual, was keeping it under wraps with extreme prejudice (According to some of the rumors)

I don't need to know Leo to know people.  They had no reason to reveal it, no pressure to reveal it, and certainly no benefit to revealing it.  So why would they?  Some people say the plan was to wait long enough until NCSoft might not care anymore.  I would wager that is at least 10 years from shut down point.  In 3 years maybe we would have seen something.  But at that point, its been 10 years.  Leo and the admins of this server have been playing with their friends the entire time.  The people they invited are also playing with the majority of their friends.  Again, what benefit do more players and more risk add?  They already had what they wanted and, while I don't believe they are inherently selfish or bad people, they were comfortable in the position they were in.  In my experience, most people don't willingly slam full force into the barriers of their comfort zone.  Especially when the consequences of revealing it are potentially some kind of legal repercussions.

In much shorter words, I don't expect people to stop doing what they are already doing and have been doing for years.

[therain93]

6 years my dude, its hard to think otherwise.

SEGS .1.5 was checked into sourceforge on 11/11/2009, 9.5 years ago, and look where it is now dude.

[Taceus Jiwede]

You've clearly never worked with government secrets. I have. It's pretty easy to keep secrets when the reasons for keeping them are clear to all involved and the consequences of revealing them are dire enough. This group was small enough, vetted enough, and controlled enough to keep the secret damped down quite handily. (Scrubbing and plugging leaks is part of the process.)

The biggest issue here is that I think the reasons for keeping the secret were overblown; we'll see in the next few months whether NCSoft actually takes legal action.

Well, that's true I haven't worked with government secrets.  But there are also government leaks constantly - and fear of imprisonment is a little more powerful then the fear of being banned I would say.

[Super Atom]

SEGS .1.5 was checked into sourceforge on 11/11/2009, 9.5 years ago, and look where it is now dude.

abandoned and restarted a lot of times, and only recently picked back up has been being worked on heavily now, pushing twords a bare bones issue 0? (Not to down their effort, SEGS is love)

[Lazarillo]

We were starving, so they gave us a few breadcrumbs while they ate steak everyday, telling us that steak was impossible.

It wasn't impossible, though, guys, they were totally going to give us a full course meal in just a week's time!  But then someone had to go and tell us they were in the kitchen and now the food that they already prepared and were about to send out, no, really, they were, is something they can't share, just like they couldn't share it before.

[Ultimate15]

I really do think something good is going to come of all of this.

I don't want to jinx anything, but I'm feeling shockingly optimistic? Which is a pretty new sensation for me. I'm, like... excited? Everyone is so busy fighting, and I'm over here just doing a happy dance that the game is still alive somewhere, somehow.

*knocks on wood*

[Super Atom]

It could easily be proven that this eventual public event was going to take place, surely if it was that soon there would be plenty of proof to back it up? Without revealing too much or exposing people, they could easily show screenshots of discussions of it or anything right? A claim was made, it was called fake and they have the easiest way to prove it wasn't.

[ChaosMatrix]

It wasn't impossible, though, guys, they were totally going to give us a full course meal in just a week's time!  But then someone had to go and tell us they were in the kitchen and now the food that they already prepared and were about to send out, no, really, they were, is something they can't share, just like they couldn't share it before.

Sure, they havent shared anything for 6 years, but they super promise that its because they were about to share it.

[nicoliy]

I really do think something good is going to come of all of this.

I don't want to jinx anything, but I'm feeling shockingly optimistic? Which is a pretty new sensation for me. I'm, like... excited? Everyone is so busy fighting, and I'm over here just doing a happy dance that the game is still alive somewhere, somehow.

*knocks on wood*

Now that it's out there, I have hope that it's just a matter of time.

[Arkasas]

We were starving, so they gave us a few breadcrumbs while they ate steak everyday, telling us that steak was impossible.

Okay, have all of you who keep bringing that thread up actually read it, or are you just having kneejerk reactions to the title? Because what he said is this:

*lots of techspeak I'm not going to quote and you can go find for yourself*

So, what you all want is not a "server emulator". You want a compatible server. You don't want something that is based off Paragon Studios' code, with all the legal headaches it involves; you want original code that works better than what they had. Our devs have said many times how much the original code was a mess, how maintaining it was a nightmare, how they wish they had more resources to rewrite the damn thing. We do not want to emulate that! We want to make something that gives us the same play experience, but is smoother, better and faster.

And that's why City of Heroes is not getting a server emulator. Stop asking for one.

However, do keep cheering for a compatible server and know that we will have one eventually.

That doesn't sound like "nope, never gonna happen, sorry lol gottem". Could SCoRE have turned to evil over time? I suppose it's possible, though I don't really believe it myself. But to suggest it began with evil intent as far back as a month after the closing is disingenuous.

The biggest issue here is that I think the reasons for keeping the secret were overblown; we'll see in the next few months whether NCSoft actually takes legal action.

I agree that it may well prove that the secrecy was unnecessary, but NCSoft has a bad record in this area, at best, and I somehow doubt they're very happy that someone else has account data. Had you been in the room, would you not have taken all possible measures to ensure that NCSoft never laid a hand on this data?

[Ironwolf]

Folks a flowchart was kept on who invited who and a leak would get you and all those in your cells - banned.

This was not an Alpha testing environment - it was a secret server. It has even been modified to have new power sets. You say testing for stability - for 6 years? I am not holding them up as heroes - just humans. Instead of coming to the community - they cowered in fear. They lived for 6 years in fear - the brave dies but once and the coward every day. I probaby let too much info out when I was trying and these folks let too little out.

I can't help but wonder - did the game purchase die because someone gave them the code? The way it completely went silent - I have to wonder did these folks get the software and say - well why buy the cow we can get the milk for free?

[ChaosMatrix]

It could easily be proven that this eventual public event was going to take place, surely if it was that soon there would be plenty of proof to back it up? Without revealing too much or exposing people, they could easily show screenshots of discussions of it or anything right? A claim was made, it was called fake and they have the easiest way to prove it wasn't.

Yes they could, it would be the easiest thing in the world, but first everyone denied it, and then evidence came out, then they claimed that there was a plan to release all along, granted by now no one believe then, but they also dont post any evidence on that.

[Angel Phoenix77]

I really do think something good is going to come of all of this.

I don't want to jinx anything, but I'm feeling shockingly optimistic? Which is a pretty new sensation for me. I'm, like... excited? Everyone is so busy fighting, and I'm over here just doing a happy dance that the game is still alive somewhere, somehow.

*knocks on wood*

I hope so too :)

[ChaosMatrix]

Okay, have all of you who keep bringing that thread up actually read it, or are you just having kneejerk reactions to the title? Because what he said is this:

That doesn't sound like "nope, never gonna happen, sorry lol gottem". Could SCoRE have turned to evil over time? I suppose it's possible, though I don't really believe it myself. But to suggest it began with evil intent as far back as a month after the closing is disingenuous.

I agree that it may well prove that the secrecy was unnecessary, but NCSoft has a bad record in this area, at best, and I somehow doubt they're very happy that someone else has account data. Had you been in the room, would you not have taken all possible measures to ensure that NCSoft never laid a hand on this data?

Yes that and many like it, as well as reactions on the reddit, its been a long history.

[Super Atom]

Okay, have all of you who keep bringing that thread up actually read it, or are you just having kneejerk reactions to the title? Because what he said is this:

That doesn't sound like "nope, never gonna happen, sorry lol gottem". Could SCoRE have turned to evil over time? I suppose it's possible, though I don't really believe it myself. But to suggest it began with evil intent as far back as a month after the closing is disingenuous.

I agree that it may well prove that the secrecy was unnecessary, but NCSoft has a bad record in this area, at best, and I somehow doubt they're very happy that someone else has account data. Had you been in the room, would you not have taken all possible measures to ensure that NCSoft never laid a hand on this data?

They do not have a bad record in this area. Search for any lineage 2, wildstar (in dev openly i might add) Guild wars 1/2, or even Aion private servers. Most have been up for a long time and have not received a C&D. Before you qoute Tabula Rasa at me, know that they were in a very bitter very high stakes lawsuit with Richard over Tabula Rasa. Of course they smited it down. I'm not telling you it won't happen. I'm telling you the "Record" isn't there.