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Re: SPOILERS - Rogue One - SPOILERS
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2016, 01:02:43 PM »
Well that movie was completely pointless, but at least it was better than ep 7.

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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2016, 08:29:08 PM »
I think the movie was ok. The pacing is slow until the end. This film is made specifically for hardcore Star Wars fans. I like Star Wars but, I'm not a huge fan. My dad is. Everytime Dad spots an Easter Egg he whispers in my ear and I'm like "Wait...what? That's what from eposide what?" My favotite scene in the movie is hands down the Darth Vader scene at end of the movie that's it. Does anyone else have a problem with CGI Grand Moff Tarkin and Princess Leia? <--- R.I.P. to the both of them by the way.

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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2016, 08:45:51 PM »
No problem with the CGI, just like for that of Tron Legacy and Ant-Man.
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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2016, 12:15:02 AM »
I thought CGI Tarkin was the best actor in the movie. Leia was some serious uncanny valley action though.

Still can't get used to the non James Earl Jones Vader voice though.

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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2016, 01:55:12 AM »
This film is made specifically for hardcore Star Wars fans.

I finally saw Rogue One the other day.  I actually think the opposite: The Force Awakens is a more attractive movie to Star Wars fans than people unfamiliar with Star Wars, but I think Rogue One is a better movie for people unfamiliar with Star Wars even with all the easter eggs.  Without the easter eggs, I think the movie stands alone as sort of a "Dirty Dozen" set in the Star Wars universe that you don't need to know a lot to appreciate (although it helps).

The one thing that I think is unequivocally a gift to the fans is the ending.  We all know Darth Vader is the boogeyman of the Star Wars universe, but we never really fully see that in an actual Star Wars movie.  That scene at the end is a culmination of all that the prequels showed about the power of the Jedi and all the menace implied by the original trilogy.

Probably the thing I think the movie did surprisingly well is how it portrayed the rebellion as being this fragile thing teetering on the edge of collapse, and how it was the people who were doing the dirty work of fighting it that understood that the best.  Yes, having the rebel fighters rally around Jyn was a little cheesy, but for me what sells it is later when the rebel HQ gets word that an assault has broken out on Scarif and Mon Motha asks for Admiral Raddus, only to be told that he's already heading to his ship.  Its pretty clear that Jyn isn't some magical rallying force, it is that much of the rebel fighters were looking for an excuse to fight, understood they were possibly making a last stand, but just needed a little push to set them off.


And a word on the Death Star, specifically the reactor vulnerability that people have been calling idiotic for decades, and was addressed in part in Rogue One.  Personally, I've never had a problem with the Death Star vulnerability.  That vulnerability is not difficult to explain as something other than sheer stupidity.  It requires firing weapons down the one exhaust port that matters in a machine that is supposedly about 150 kilometers across.  That's comparable to finding a target the size of a beach blanket placed randomly somewhere in South Carolina.  It is possible there are thousands of similar exhaust ports.  It is possible (almost certainly) the exhaust ports are necessary and cannot be eliminated.  They are shielded against just shooting down them (which is why you have to use physical weapons and you cannot just shoot at them from above).  Even when you do shoot down them it almost never does anything.  I always assumed the vulnerability was something subtle, that the perfect shot down that exhaust port, and only that exhaust port, destroys some critical set of power-related components which causes the main reactor - which has to be a massive and potentially easy to overload generator given what it powers - to basically self-destruct.  This happens a lot in engineering all the time, where things are designed that are so powerful they are powerful enough to destroy themselves if they do not work in a very specific way.  The main engines of the space shuttle, for example, will destroy themselves due to overpressure if they do not ignite within about one second of fuel flow start.

Now that Rogue One establishes that that vulnerability is not an accident but a deliberate act, it does seem like it could be an act of genius to me.  I can imagine designing a system such that it contained a flaw that cannot be trivially removed because it is inherent in the design.  Any attempt to eliminate the flaw creates problems elsewhere.  There are historical analogous examples.  As an engineer myself, I'm perfectly okay with this narrative.  It is what I might have done.

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Re: SPOILERS - Rogue One - SPOILERS
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2016, 02:52:52 AM »

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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2016, 03:45:06 AM »
Sounded weird to me in the movie so I googled and it listed someone else on whatever came up first. Idk

Re the reactor - the companion novel gives back story on it that the weapon is based on focusing an overload of a Khyber crystal. So presumably overloading it without directing that energy would be bad. Oh also I can't recommend reading that unless you really want some dull aimless back story on characters you weren't likely to care about from the movie. It's really phoned in.

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Re: SPOILERS - Rogue One - SPOILERS
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2016, 04:37:36 AM »
Still can't get used to the non James Earl Jones Vader voice though.

That's still JEJ in Rogue One - it's just that he's 39 years older than he was in 1977 :P
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Re: SPOILERS - Rogue One - SPOILERS
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2016, 02:50:01 PM »
That's still JEJ in Rogue One - it's just that he's 39 years older than he was in 1977 :P

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2017, 04:56:56 AM »
Finally saw it today.  It was alright.  The Tarkin CG was simultaneously impressive and terrible.  Had everyone been done in that detailed animation, he probably wouldn't have looked like an out of place video game cut scene.  Thankfully, the Leia got less face time.

The movie itself put me in the mind of those Star Wars anthology books like Tales from Mos Eisley, et al.  It seemed a bit disjointed and unevenly paced while trying to hold itself together with familiar references and cameos.  We were introduced to some fun characters, but it's too bad they all met slightly GRRM fates.  Like episode 7, at least it was better than episodes 1-3.
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2017, 05:18:41 AM »
Should check out the novelization. It's quite a bit less disjointed than the movie and is better if you can overlook some hack writing tropes and a terrible reader in the audio version. Still pretty terrible, but better, and a lot better than Catalyst which was just awful.
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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2017, 06:20:21 AM »
I didn't know that Tarkin was totally CGI until after the fact. I figured they just used that guy from the very end of Episode III and just added make up or CGI effects to make him look older. Leia was pretty obvious, though.

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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2017, 09:32:55 PM »
They weren't 100% CGI. There were real humans who provided the bodies, voices, and performances, while the CGI was applied over their heads.

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Re: SPOILERS - Rogue One - SPOILERS
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2017, 05:18:44 AM »
I kind of held back replying here, since I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, but I did finally see this last weekend.

Tarkin broke uncanny valley for me.  I saw his face and it just didn't line up with "this is real" to me.  Similar to the Final Fantasy movie, the technology is impressive, but it's not quite indistinguishable from a live action recording yet.

Leia fared much better but she also didn't move a whole lot.  I agree with Tenzhi, wisely done on their part.
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