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The Force Awakens - *NO SPOILERS*
« on: December 17, 2015, 12:14:37 AM »
 I flew out to Europe with a couple of my brothers to catch it today, and these are my spoiler-free pros and cons:

PROS:

+ It's not a Disney movie, it's a Star Wars movie

+ This is Rey's movie - Daisey Ridley is the star of the show

+ Lots of action - lots and lots and lots of action

+ Better balance between CGI and practical effects than in the last 3 episodes

+ JJ gets generally more consistent performances form his cast than George did in the previous 6 episodes

+ Klyo Ren makes for an interesting and creepy antagonist - Adam Driver really sells the sometimes sudden mood swings from menacing to furious to petulant to vulnerable

+  Plenty of humor

+ Han and Chewie feel like they've never been away

+ BB-8 - no girl should travel the galaxy without one

+ Doesn't feel like a George Lucas movie


 CONS:

- Doesn't feel like a George Lucas movie

- Thinnest story out of the 7 episodes

- Lacks some of the mysticism and mythological beats of the previous 6 episodes

- JJ feels like he's trying a bit too hard at some points

- Not as visually inventive as the previous 6 episodes

- JJ doesn't let the world breathe as often as George

- Some pacing problems, especially in the second half

- The score lacks a bit of oomph in places

- JJ lacks the visual storytelling clarity of George
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2015, 01:28:36 AM »
So umm, did you like it?

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2015, 03:41:38 AM »
Yes - It as lots of fun - although I'm interested to see how much repeat business it gets outside of the fanbase.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2015, 05:37:12 AM »
Having just watched the original trilogy and than this one, I agree with you on the score bit. The music was present, but didn't feel as much part of the movie as it did in the original trilogy.
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2015, 07:10:08 AM »
I think that the music lacking a bit of a spark was down to JJ lacking the same visual storytelling flair as Lucas - there was loads of action, but not really any stand-out action sequence that could have drawn a striking new piece from the music.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2015, 09:59:50 PM »
It's a good punch in the nostalgia feels.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2015, 04:51:44 AM »
It's a good punch in the nostalgia feels.

Sounds promising.  Any positive feels-punching would be an improvement over episodes 1-3.
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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2015, 07:25:13 PM »
Sounds promising.  Any positive feels-punching would be an improvement over episodes 1-3.

Well I'm old, in my 50s and saw the original Star Wars when I was 15.  I got a lot of nostalgia that can get punched.  Heck, I watched the new Thunderbirds and felt 6 again.

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2015, 10:39:26 PM »
I will say that the part that gave me the most gleeful childish grin on my face was the STAR WARS coming up on the screen.

I flew out to Europe with a couple of my brothers to catch it today

I just reread this, and it makes it sound like you flew to Europe specifically to watch Star Wars.
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 01:09:05 AM »
Who wouldn't? :P
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2015, 04:21:34 AM »
Anyone hear about the guy who yelled out a spoiler at the premier of the Force Awakens and 3 people dressed as Darth Vader, Boba Fett and a Storm Trooper beat him up for 5 minutes before the police arrived?  The cops let the 3 individuals go saying it was a "justifiable assault."

Can you imagine that conversation?  Police officer, "You 3 are going to jail for assault."

Person dressed as Darth Vader waves his hand slowly, "We're not going to jail, it was a justifiable assault."

Cop, "Nah, you're not going to jail, it was a totally justifiable assault.  Get out of here and have a good evening!"

Jedi mind trick works!

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2015, 04:28:14 AM »
Anyone hear about the guy who yelled out a spoiler at the premier of the Force Awakens and 3 people dressed as Darth Vader, Boba Fett and a Storm Trooper beat him up for 5 minutes before the police arrived?  The cops let the 3 individuals go saying it was a "justifiable assault."

Can you imagine that conversation?  Police officer, "You 3 are going to jail for assault."

Person dressed as Darth Vader waves his hand slowly, "We're not going to jail, it was a justifiable assault."

Cop, "Nah, you're not going to jail, it was a totally justifiable assault.  Get out of here and have a good evening!"

Jedi mind trick works!

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2015, 12:01:46 AM »
Interesting points of view:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/best-star-wars-movie-viewing-order.html

I had always been torn between Release Order or Numerical Order. After reading this, though, I can see the value in Abraham Riesman's comments, especially for people who haven't seen any of the films.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2015, 07:40:37 PM »
I'm in the process of showing them to my girlfriend in the 4,5,1,2,3,6 order. She's never seen Star Wars, and never much cared for it, but the further we go, the more she seems to like it and understand it. I'd like to get her to watch Clone Wars, cause Anakin's fall just based on the movies seems so....stupid without the background of certain events in TCW.

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2015, 07:55:14 PM »
Anyone hear about the guy who yelled out a spoiler at the premier of the Force Awakens and 3 people dressed as Darth Vader, Boba Fett and a Storm Trooper beat him up for 5 minutes before the police arrived?  The cops let the 3 individuals go saying it was a "justifiable assault."

Can you imagine that conversation?  Police officer, "You 3 are going to jail for assault."

Person dressed as Darth Vader waves his hand slowly, "We're not going to jail, it was a justifiable assault."

Cop, "Nah, you're not going to jail, it was a totally justifiable assault.  Get out of here and have a good evening!"

Jedi mind trick works!

I was waiting on line for the midnight premiere of Star Trek II back in the day in Times Square. They had to have a 2nd show because so many people showed up so we had to wait for the 2nd show. The big spoiler was of course whether Spock dies or not at the end.
The first showing let out and some one walking out shouted - "Wow - what an ending who would have thought Vader was Luke's father!" Most of us in the line thought that was really funny. (It was after 1am and we were getting tired)

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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2015, 05:52:22 PM »
Interesting points of view:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/best-star-wars-movie-viewing-order.html

I had always been torn between Release Order or Numerical Order. After reading this, though, I can see the value in Abraham Riesman's comments, especially for people who haven't seen any of the films.

If I had started my viewing early enough before VII, I would have done it flashback style. Although some of the comments there make it seem like starting with 1 is good for kids, which makes sense - IV was way slower to develop than I remembered.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2016, 01:27:07 PM »
I decided not to see it till I can get it on torrent in decent quality.

I heard there was some political/ideological input into it. Our politics has no place in starwars. sick and tired of it finding it's way into entertainment. Wont pay to see it unless someone can confirm that what I was told is a lie.

So I'm asking here; did it contain any notable and noticeable ideologies?
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 01:50:56 PM »
No more so than the original movies.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2016, 07:49:54 PM »
I decided not to see it till I can get it on torrent in decent quality.

I heard there was some political/ideological input into it. Our politics has no place in starwars. sick and tired of it finding it's way into entertainment. Wont pay to see it unless someone can confirm that what I was told is a lie.

So I'm asking here; did it contain any notable and noticeable ideologies?

It had two new main characters on the good side - one of them is a very capable woman who gets through every situation she ends up in without the need of help from a man, and the other is a black male, who while he has some humorous lines he isn't the comic relief, and handles himself pretty well in battle.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2016, 01:09:49 AM »
I decided not to see it till I can get it on torrent in decent quality.

I heard there was some political/ideological input into it. Our politics has no place in starwars. sick and tired of it finding it's way into entertainment. Wont pay to see it unless someone can confirm that what I was told is a lie.

So I'm asking here; did it contain any notable and noticeable ideologies?

Arguably the purpose of telling stories is to educate people on social norms and to give people a reference to which everyone can relate their world views to and "compare notes," as it were. Storytelling was one of the first forms of political education.

Additionally, the original trilogy was hugely political, not just for government politics but also as a reaction against Hollywood politics / trends: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/01/06/here-are-three-ways-that-star-wars-is-a-neoconservative-universe/
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