Author Topic: Gotham Season 2 (Read 23450 times)

Kaos Arcanna · « **on:** September 22, 2015, 01:21:28 AM »

I think it's off to a pretty good start.

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All in all, I think the show is looking up.

Brutey · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2015, 09:56:11 AM »

I was a staunch defender of the show in season 1, but the season two premier has me seriously questioning if I want to keep giving it my suddenly full tv time. There were aspects of it that I liked but

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Alfred is still one of my favorite things about the show, though, and Barbara is more enjoyable insane (as long as they don't do something stupid like try and make her Harley Quinn).

Vee · « **Reply #2 on:** September 26, 2015, 12:38:25 AM »

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Mandu · « **Reply #3 on:** September 26, 2015, 11:47:56 PM »

I like Jerome. From IMDB it doesn't look like he will be in many episodes this season but I like him. It doesn't matter if he is the person who will eventually become Joker or not, he makes a good Joker archetype.

I like seeing James Frain in any role so it's good to have him as a major player.

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #4 on:** September 28, 2015, 05:02:36 AM »

It was a disconcerting start to the new season for me. Jim Gordon went too much off-character for my taste...

That said, when the Evil Mastermind assembled his little collection of Arkham inmates, did anyone else immediately think Royal Flush Gang?

Brutey · « **Reply #5 on:** September 29, 2015, 01:25:03 AM »

Well, that escalated quickly.

Vee · « **Reply #6 on:** September 29, 2015, 05:14:52 AM »

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2015, 11:04:24 AM »

This is one of those rare occasions when I'm annoyed at having to wait for the episode to hit the streaming app.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2015, 11:26:10 AM »

Given what her role was like last season, I'm sure that Erin Richards is enjoying this season much more.

Vee · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2015, 01:01:17 PM »

Just wondering how they're going to negotiate her winding up as Gordon's wife after all this.

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Mandu · « **Reply #12 on:** September 29, 2015, 11:39:14 PM »

I absolutely love Jerome. The kid is pulling off the perfect balance between the Ledger and Hamill Jokers.

And at the same time I'm sorry he is in this series because a couple of years down the road he would be a perfect movie version of the Joker. But there is no way he will ever get that role because studios are notoriously phobic about putting a character from a television series into the same or similar role in the movies. My hope is he stays around for a few seasons as a recurring character.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2015, 01:03:13 AM »

'dat ending

GamingGlen · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2015, 12:55:43 PM »

Alfred, you ole dog.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2015, 05:53:51 PM »

That smile...

Rejolt · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2015, 09:53:14 PM »

What I love... that ending same vibe with fans as THAT Game of Thrones final scene.

No one accepts what they see lol

tripthicket · « **Reply #17 on:** October 09, 2015, 05:41:45 PM »

Watched this week's episode last night and had my mind go sideways for a moment. The villains in disguise, acting as the entertainment in a charity thing full of Gotham's rich folk, and then everyone's trapped at the villains' mercy. This could easily have been the script for an episode of the '60s Batman show, minus the bright colors and adorned with modern sensibilities. I could almost see Cesar Romero chortling away on that stage. It was indeed a different flavor for this show, while still being the show we've known all along. Gotham visited by lunacy & absurdity. And Jerome's actor was nailing it 95% of the time. I saw flashes of the animated Mr. J, Nicholson, Ledger, and original bits, all melded together very well. What a waste.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2015, 01:02:46 AM »

Kringle's "inner voice" ought to be telling her, "Run lady, run!"

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2015, 01:32:05 AM »

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Still liking Barbara's scenes but she needs more to do other than make out with other women and suggestively eat a popscicle.

Brutey · « **Reply #20 on:** October 13, 2015, 03:39:44 AM »

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Vee · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2015, 07:58:06 AM »

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I was shocked by Alfred's showdown with Cat. Even more shocked that she'd listen to him.

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that Penguin would have had his mother watched.

Still liking Barbara's scenes but she needs more to do other than make out with other women and suggestively eat a popscicle.

But she came here to make out with women and suggestively eat popsicles. And soon she'll be all out of popsicles.

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eabrace · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2015, 11:07:43 AM »

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And wow, Silver St. Cloud would have been about the last of Bruce's girlfriends I'd have expected to turn up.

No kidding. I had no idea who that character even was. Had to hit Google for that one.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2015, 02:01:15 AM »

That was ... different.

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FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #24 on:** October 27, 2015, 01:46:18 AM »

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FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #25 on:** November 10, 2015, 02:02:22 AM »

Talk about a shotgun wedding!

Mental Maden · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2015, 04:43:22 AM »

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Vee · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2015, 09:04:31 PM »

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I was just starting to like bat shiat crazy Barbara

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AmberOfDzu · « **Reply #28 on:** November 10, 2015, 09:15:06 PM »

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If this is going to be a real comic book show the concussion will cause her to forget everything back to a time before she and Jim broke up.

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #29 on:** November 10, 2015, 09:44:43 PM »

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Talk about a shotgun wedding!

And a stain on your shirt?

Mental Maden · « **Reply #30 on:** November 15, 2015, 03:55:46 PM »

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Or even better, she'll wake up and then pretend to have forgotten everything, and even though it'll be telegraphed dramatically to we viewers, Jim will fall into the trap and believe her.

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Vee · « **Reply #31 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:31:26 PM »

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At some point she's going to have to have some type of redemption, I mean, Gordon names his future daughter Barbara. You don't usually do that to people who threatened, stalked, kidnapped, tortured and almost killed you and your significant other. Something tells me she will eventually sacrifice herself to save a pregnant Leslie (Lee)

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Vee · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:53:40 AM »

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FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2015, 06:36:28 PM »

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Vee · « **Reply #34 on:** November 25, 2015, 09:00:01 AM »

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Mental Maden · « **Reply #35 on:** November 26, 2015, 01:24:27 PM »

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Vee · « **Reply #36 on:** December 01, 2015, 08:46:58 AM »

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Brutey · « **Reply #37 on:** December 02, 2015, 03:58:48 AM »

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #38 on:** December 02, 2015, 06:07:50 AM »

Gordon's gotten a bit too morally grey, IMO.

Night-Hawk07 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 05, 2015, 06:33:27 AM »

"What's your favorite animal?"

"Owls."

I have a feeling he'll change his tune in about 20 years.

Vee · « **Reply #40 on:** December 05, 2015, 07:28:22 AM »

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"What's your favorite animal?"

"Owls."

I have a feeling he'll change his tune in about 20 years.

Gotham turning out to be set on Earth 3 would be the surprise ending to beat all surprise endings. OK maybe runner up to autistic kid's snowglobe, but still.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #41 on:** December 05, 2015, 08:46:34 AM »

I thought, perhaps, that they were foreshadowing the Court of Owls...

Vee · « **Reply #42 on:** December 05, 2015, 10:44:22 AM »

Probably, but the owlman ending would be kind of awesome.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #43 on:** December 05, 2015, 11:19:43 AM »

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Probably, but the owlman ending would be kind of awesome.

...and absolutely confuse anyone who isn't familiar with the comic books.

Vee · « **Reply #44 on:** December 05, 2015, 11:35:33 AM »

Yeah, though they've had owlman etc. in the justice league cartoons and one of the animated movies. I'd never read a dc comic in my life before last year and I certainly knew about them. Besides, not like they'd ever actually do that. Though if they keep it up with Gordon's character the way they have been a lot of folks might be wishing it was an alternate earth where there are only villains (and lex).

Night-Hawk07 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 06, 2015, 05:15:40 PM »

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I thought, perhaps, that they were foreshadowing the Court of Owls...

That's what I was thinking.

Vee · « **Reply #46 on:** December 07, 2015, 01:06:49 AM »

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Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #47 on:** December 07, 2015, 01:18:55 AM »

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Anyone else find it hard to believe that Bruce didn't pull the "I don't want to die a virgin" move when he and Silver get left unattended for hours?

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Seriously ...

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #48 on:** March 01, 2016, 03:34:46 PM »

I liked seeing Mr. Freeze in "costume", but that name pronunciation...

Vee · « **Reply #49 on:** March 01, 2016, 09:21:36 PM »

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I liked seeing Mr. Freeze in "costume", but that name pronunciation...

He was decent, though they did manage to suck most of the sympathy out of the character.

Vee · « **Reply #50 on:** March 02, 2016, 12:27:50 AM »

Y'know, the more I think about it the costume is the only thing I liked about him.

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #51 on:** March 02, 2016, 03:02:07 AM »

Well, so far it's appeared that he *may* have a similar backstory. I'm betting his was the cryogenic research program that Lucius said was mysteriously shut down. I'm thinking the reason may have been related to the weaponization, however, and the medical aspect was just a side or personal project.

Mandu · « **Reply #52 on:** March 02, 2016, 03:28:17 AM »

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Y'know, the more I think about it the costume is the only thing I liked about him.

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The whole fired by company who kept his research bit made the sick wife story work. Gotham's version takes almost all the sympathetic aspects of the sick wife away and makes him basically a psychopath. So much so that he'll ignore expediency just to kill. Their premise seems to be 'the only reason scientists use mice to test multiple variations of a formula is, y'know, ethics or something.' As opposed to it being a whole hell of a lot easier to acquire and deal with mice. If he's trying to figure out which variation of his formula will allow tissue to reanimate without turning to goo there's no reason not to use mice, if for no other reason than to save the time and effort it takes to get humans and lug them around. Or even because it's less goo to clean up when a version fails. I could see once it works on mice going for human trials but he hadn't even figured out which formula he should be testing on humans yet.

You just expressed the one problem I have with Gotham. Although I like the series they have changed every single Batman villain into a murderous psychopath. Well, except Selina. She's just a sociopath. If they bring on Bookworm as a villain he will probably wind up being somebody who grinds people up and mixes them with wood pulp to turn them into books. And King Tut will use a hook to pull his victims brains out.

Vee · « **Reply #53 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:18:31 AM »

If they keep at it they can have Bookworm and Tut team up with Gordon.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #54 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:45:49 AM »

I mostly don't mind if Batman's villains are made sick and/or ruthless. Freeze could be an exception if they don't develop his backstory, and my desire for that character to be a sympathetic tragedy has to be rooted in the awesome work they did with him in TAS and Beyond.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #55 on:** March 08, 2016, 10:17:28 AM »

I swear, the angle made it hard to see, but the shot of Matches Malone in that dossier looked like Anthony Stewart Head to me.

Anyone got an idea who the three-fingered inmate was? No Mojo-verse in Gotham, obviously...

eabrace · « **Reply #56 on:** March 08, 2016, 12:50:11 PM »

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Anyone got an idea who the three-fingered inmate was?

Wondered that myself.

Vee · « **Reply #57 on:** March 08, 2016, 02:41:46 PM »

I wonder if they have some plan with Matches that'd leave it so Bats would want to use that as an alias one day or if they're just pulling random names out of the comics like they did with Silver.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #58 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:44:42 AM »

Caught up with Gotham today.

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Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #59 on:** March 15, 2016, 02:44:45 AM »

Alfred Pennyworth may be the worst guardian ever.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #60 on:** March 15, 2016, 10:36:56 AM »

I was expecting the leader of the Mutants to be pasty. But he was pastry, which is close enough.

Vee · « **Reply #61 on:** March 22, 2016, 06:58:00 AM »

Riddler stuff was fun.

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FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #62 on:** March 22, 2016, 07:40:38 AM »

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Riddler stuff was fun.

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So the trial lasted 4 weeks and the arrest, arraignment, indictment, pre-trial motions, discovery, depositions, jury selection etc. all lasted what, 5 minutes? Do they think their viewers are idiots? High profile murder case the kid would probably be out of diapers before that went to trial. Even if Gordon invoked his right to a speedy trial (which why would he given that Harvey's trying to prove him innocent) you gotta figure the docket in a huge city isn't going to magically be empty. It certainly couldn't all happen within a span where they don't even have to change the amount of face fattening they did to Doc Thompkins.

Eh, suspension of disbelief. And aye, the Riddler stuff was quite fun

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Vee · « **Reply #63 on:** March 22, 2016, 07:47:27 AM »

Shouldn't abuse that though. Daredevil had a similar situation but at least made the attempt to make it believable.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #64 on:** March 22, 2016, 09:38:59 PM »

Didn't give the timeline any thought at all. I was too busy being annoyed by pretty much everything Jim Gordon related.

Although I did get distracted trying to figure out what was really going on with Papa Pee-Wee and family.

eabrace · « **Reply #65 on:** March 22, 2016, 10:25:18 PM »

I'm just giddy that they cast Rubens as Penguin's dad. I've always thought he played the part perfectly in Batman Returns.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #66 on:** March 29, 2016, 10:19:59 PM »

The only good thing that could possibly come from this frame up and Jim's subsequent hiding out in Gotham City is if he finally gets around to growing that moustache.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #67 on:** March 29, 2016, 10:28:40 PM »

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Mandu · « **Reply #68 on:** April 03, 2016, 04:13:35 PM »

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After everything that Jim Gordon has done, is he still a good cop? Perhaps the point of Gotham is to show why he can't clean up Gotham without the Batman. His hands are too dirty.

I think the whole point is

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #69 on:** April 12, 2016, 06:26:28 PM »

Episode was titled "Into the Woods"... and now I'm wondering if the little bit Ed sang while dragging Jim was from that musical.

Vee · « **Reply #70 on:** April 13, 2016, 12:27:22 AM »

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Episode was titled "Into the Woods"... and now I'm wondering if the little bit Ed sang while dragging Jim was from that musical.

Pretty sure it was just a later verse of 'over the river and through the woods' than the one everyone knows, with Ed's own adjustments. Though that's not to say it's not in a musical.

Vee · « **Reply #71 on:** April 19, 2016, 08:41:26 AM »

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #72 on:** April 19, 2016, 12:31:33 PM »

Garg... I mean Galavan was just looking for his cat.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #73 on:** April 21, 2016, 01:29:45 AM »

Oh, Gotham. You so crazy...

Mandu · « **Reply #74 on:** April 24, 2016, 04:37:00 PM »

What I like is this creates the potential to bring back Jerome. He really would make a great Joker.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #75 on:** May 03, 2016, 01:16:49 AM »

Oh, Gotham.

You're so crazy. Don't ever change.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #76 on:** May 03, 2016, 06:51:04 PM »

Y'know, looking back I seem to recall Alfred mentioning that Thomas Wayne specified that Bruce shouldn't see any psychiatrists. At the time I thought it was a weird order, but now that it's apparent Thomas Wayne knew of Strange's evil experiments, it kinda' makes sense he wouldn't want Bruce anywhere near Strange or his colleagues.

Also, Penguin really ought to clean up the place, those unwashed dishes are accumulating bacteria!

Tenzhi · « **Reply #77 on:** May 03, 2016, 09:11:47 PM »

Bacterial minions, you mean...

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #78 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:02:39 AM »

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Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #79 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:45:40 AM »

Biggest thing I noticed is that it looks like Penguin had some dental work done while he was either rich or in Arkham.

Tenzhi · « **Reply #80 on:** May 11, 2016, 09:41:00 PM »

I think that may have been a Killer Croc being moved out of the basement...

eabrace · « **Reply #81 on:** May 11, 2016, 10:50:20 PM »

I wondered if that was who that was supposed to be.

HalcyonS · « **Reply #82 on:** May 12, 2016, 01:15:11 AM »

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That scene with Butch and the rocket launcher was my favorite this season, had me LMAO.

I actually had that exact same reaction.

Vee · « **Reply #83 on:** May 12, 2016, 01:30:44 AM »

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And am I the only one wondering about why Selina seems to have a much bigger hair-straightening and highlight budget than your typical homeless teenager?

HalcyonS · « **Reply #84 on:** May 12, 2016, 02:24:16 AM »

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And am I the only one wondering about why Selina seems to have a much bigger hair-straightening and highlight budget than your typical homeless teenager?

Meh, she stole a good flat iron.

Mandu · « **Reply #85 on:** May 15, 2016, 12:49:03 AM »

Loved the episode. Especially that Butch scenes. He is actually my favorite character which worries me. Since he is an original character to the series they could kill him off without disturbing continuity. Of course continuity hasn't stopped them from killing off established characters.

Vee · « **Reply #86 on:** May 17, 2016, 04:29:55 AM »

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Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #87 on:** May 17, 2016, 10:58:47 AM »

They probably won't do it, but in the Pre-Crisis comics Bruce was actually the first Robin. Maybe he'll suit up in the show.

Vee · « **Reply #88 on:** May 17, 2016, 04:14:20 PM »

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They probably won't do it, but in the Pre-Crisis comics Bruce was actually the first Robin. Maybe he'll suit up in the show.

Mmmhmm. That was just after Wertham's book questioned B&R's relationship. I like to imagine that there was an editorial meeting about people being uncomfortable that Bruce gave his young ward a tiny speedo to wear and they somehow thought it'd make it all better if it were a used tiny speedo.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #89 on:** May 18, 2016, 08:48:26 AM »

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Mmmhmm. That was just after Wertham's book questioned B&R's relationship. I like to imagine that there was an editorial meeting about people being uncomfortable that Bruce gave his young ward a tiny speedo to wear and they somehow thought it'd make it all better if it were a used tiny speedo.

Of course that brings up the question, how many Robins has that speedo served?

Pengy · « **Reply #90 on:** May 18, 2016, 01:30:09 PM »

Robin Goodfellow in the 1600s wasn't the first.

Kaos Arcanna · « **Reply #91 on:** May 24, 2016, 01:04:23 AM »

Well, that was ... interesting.

Vee · « **Reply #92 on:** May 24, 2016, 04:38:51 AM »

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Tenzhi · « **Reply #93 on:** May 24, 2016, 09:24:12 PM »

How cliche would it be if that ended up being the Joker?

Mandu · « **Reply #94 on:** May 29, 2016, 12:31:37 AM »

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How cliche would it be if that ended up being the Joker?

Nah. Jerome is the Joker. You can very clearly hear his distinctive laugh in the end scene. I think he'll be back next season but that they will never go full Joker with him. Or at least not till the series finale when Bruce kicks him into a vat of chemicals.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #95 on:** September 20, 2016, 01:15:34 AM »

Y'know, I could've sworn both Cpt. Barnes and Tabitha were killed by Azrael last season?

Vee · « **Reply #96 on:** September 20, 2016, 06:17:22 AM »

They got better?

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Vee · « **Reply #97 on:** September 21, 2016, 03:11:16 AM »

Since this is the closest thing we have to a Bats topic it seems like a good place to share this Bruce Wayne faux pas and the perfectly drawn response face I came across. Pretty much always going to be too soon for that one.

FlyingCarcass · « **Reply #98 on:** October 04, 2016, 01:14:47 AM »

I'd vote for Cobblepot.

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