DC's Legends of Tomorrow.

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Vee

#160
May 06, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
You might've repressed it given that the way he talked about it it pretty much undermined the entire point of the series.

Tenzhi

#161
May 06, 2016, 06:37:05 PM
Quote from: Vee on May 06, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
You might've repressed it given that the way he talked about it it pretty much undermined the entire point of the series.

I don't know...  it could be that the entire point all along has been that Rip is destined to be a disastrous failure, in which case they've been hammering it home quite successfully with each episode!
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doc7924

#162
May 06, 2016, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 06, 2016, 06:37:05 PM
I don't know...  it could be that the entire point all along has been that Rip is destined to be a disastrous failure, in which case they've been hammering it home quite successfully with each episode!

Well lets see - he is supposed to save the timestream yet his team has killed / injured countless people in the past (and future). That should have changed his future a lot - people that wouldn't have been born or in the hospital or arrested that weren't originally and therefore their future is changed.

And also that Russian scientist lady blowed herself and her lab up real good to recreate the Firestorm, which they only knew about because the heroes got seen in the past fighting Savage.

Oh and getting Savage to release that virus 5 years earlier then it happened because he interfered with Per Degaton as a kid. That alone should be a huge change in the timeline - people dying 5 years before they originally did. Who knows how many children were not born because of that, or people who died then who may not have died in the regular timeline because they might have been away when the virus hit 5 years later in the original timeline.

So in a way Rip is doing a worse job than if he just left everything alone. If I was the Time Masters I would lock him up too.

eabrace

#163
May 06, 2016, 11:18:06 PM
Silly Rory.  He's forgotten all about fixed points in time.
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Nos482

#164
May 13, 2016, 08:50:55 AM Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 08:58:03 AM by Nos482
Of course they had to go and kill my favourite team member. :'(  >:(

€dit:
Spoiler for Hidden:
I'm bad and that's good.
I'll never be good and that's not bad.
There's no one I'd rather be than me.

...unless I could be Batman, of course. Everybody wants to be Batman.

doc7924

#165
May 13, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: Nos482 on May 13, 2016, 08:50:55 AM
Of course they had to go and kill my favourite team member. :'(  >:(

€dit:
Spoiler for Hidden:

Yeah. I am totally convinced he will never be back.

On the other hand, a lot of people were right -

Spoiler for Hidden:
Rip was working for Savage, he just didn't know it.

Super Firebug

#166
May 13, 2016, 08:51:33 PM
When Snart was tapping his ring, did anyone else notice that he was tapping in the rhythm of Zoom's theme music? Odd little detail, there.
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eabrace

#167
May 13, 2016, 11:39:59 PM
Quote from: Super Firebug on May 13, 2016, 08:51:33 PM
When Snart was tapping his ring, did anyone else notice that he was tapping in the rhythm of Zoom's theme music? Odd little detail, there.
:o

That's an impressive detail to catch.  I definitely did not notice that.
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Tenzhi

#168
May 14, 2016, 02:11:25 AM
I'd have to take your word on the fact that Zoom has theme music, even...
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Ulysses Dare

#169
May 14, 2016, 04:50:40 AM
Quote from: doc7924 on May 13, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
On the other hand, a lot of people were right -

Spoiler for Hidden:
Rip was working for Savage, he just didn't know it.

I have to say I was both shocked and proud of the writers for that one. It seems like maybe they really did have a plan all along.

And they also had a ready explanation for why Savage went after Rip's family specifically—something that had always bugged me.

doc7924

#170
May 14, 2016, 01:14:16 PM
Quote from: Ulysses Dare on May 14, 2016, 04:50:40 AM
I have to say I was both shocked and proud of the writers for that one. It seems like maybe they really did have a plan all along.

And they also had a ready explanation for why Savage went after Rip's family specifically—something that had always bugged me.

And why he could never save them no matter what he did.

Nos482

#171
May 14, 2016, 02:15:22 PM
Rip saving his family would've negated his reason to do so in the first place...
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I'll never be good and that's not bad.
There's no one I'd rather be than me.

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Mandu

#172
May 15, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
Quote from: Nos482 on May 14, 2016, 02:15:22 PM
Rip saving his family would've negated his reason to do so in the first place...

Sort of.  We have already seen that people who change the timeline remember the original timeline.  Now that the timeline isn't being manipulated I think by season end he will save his family but of course will have to leave them to save the world from the next great menace.  Probably coming up with an alternate solution for the Thanagarians.

doc7924

#173
May 15, 2016, 01:52:47 AM
Quote from: Mandu on May 15, 2016, 12:53:41 AM
Sort of.  We have already seen that people who change the timeline remember the original timeline.  Now that the timeline isn't being manipulated I think by season end he will save his family but of course will have to leave them to save the world from the next great menace.  Probably coming up with an alternate solution for the Thanagarians.

I wonder what they will do with the Thangarians. In the comics - the Earth-1 Hawkman and Hawkgirl were police officers from Thangar. And their wings and stuff were part of their uniform. Then of course as time went by and Crisises (Crisi?) came and went, they tried to merge the origins of both E1 and E2 Hawkmen and it became a huge mess.

Super Firebug

#174
May 15, 2016, 02:52:49 AM
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 14, 2016, 02:11:25 AM
I'd have to take your word on the fact that Zoom has theme music, even...

Two scenes come to mind where I know it's heard: when Zoom's showing off the defeated Flash in the Central City Photo News office in "Enter Zoom", and when he comes through the breach that Cisco created in "Versus Zoom".
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Super Firebug

#175
May 17, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
Unless I missed something, it seems that not all of the supposed plot holes have been explained away.

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The Oculus failsafe was a dead-man switch - someone had to be holding it down in order for the Oculus to explode. The Time Masters could simply have killed Snart, forcing him to let go of the failsafe, in order to prevent their own destruction.
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doc7924

#176
May 17, 2016, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Super Firebug on May 17, 2016, 05:09:55 PM
Unless I missed something, it seems that not all of the supposed plot holes have been explained away.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The Oculus failsafe was a dead-man switch - someone had to be holding it down in order for the Oculus to explode. The Time Masters could simply have killed Snart, forcing him to let go of the failsafe, in order to prevent their own destruction.

I really though Snart was
Spoiler for Hidden:
going to freeze the switch in place so they could all get out alive.

Vee

#177
May 17, 2016, 09:01:07 PM
I thought the same thing then I remembered what show I was watching

Nos482

#178
May 17, 2016, 09:33:46 PM
My theory is, that being at ground zero of a time-manipulating-computer's explosion mysteriously flings Cold back to when he came from... plus a few weeks/months :roll:
Maybe he'll even be in time to help save the world from Zoom and his cronies, thus showing the world his heel/face turn. And like in the comics he'll get a pardon for it.
I'm bad and that's good.
I'll never be good and that's not bad.
There's no one I'd rather be than me.

...unless I could be Batman, of course. Everybody wants to be Batman.

doc7924

#179
May 18, 2016, 02:21:35 AM
Quote from: Nos482 on May 17, 2016, 09:33:46 PM
My theory is, that being at ground zero of a time-manipulating-computer's explosion mysteriously flings Cold back to when he came from... plus a few weeks/months :roll:
Maybe he'll even be in time to help save the world from Zoom and his cronies, thus showing the world his heel/face turn. And like in the comics he'll get a pardon for it.

Well he will be in other CW shows. That is my guess as well.
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