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Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« on: April 25, 2015, 04:51:10 PM »
We got both GotG and Big Hero 6 several weeks after the US release, but for some reason germany got AoU a week early.
And just back from the cinema, I can tell you to go and watch it as soon as you can. The movie's awesome... and Ultron is really a great villain.
Hawkeye, Widow and Hulk got fleshed out, which I liked and the Maximoff twins were adapted quite well.

But Whedon did it again. Why on Cthulhu's green earth does he feel the need to kill off beloved characters?
Tara
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Coulson
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Quicksilver (and again a witch blows up as the result)
:'(

Oh well, it's a comic book world so maybe that character will get better.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2015, 06:27:53 PM »
Well Coulson isn't dead but that maybe doesn't count - unless they had already planned to bring him back for the TV series.

I just got to see a sneak of this film and it is great.

Everyone got something cool to do, and you can see the seeds of the Cap 3: Civil War building up in this - as well as the next Avengers film.

All in all Marvel has done a great job with their films.

Its just too bad it takes so long to wait for the next ones.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 07:17:13 PM »
Its just too bad it takes so long to wait for the next ones.

Fortunately though we have all the various Marvel TV series to keep adding depth to the universe in between movies.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2015, 03:12:40 AM »
An online list of local screen times for Avengers: Age of Ultron shows screenings at several theaters at 12:01 a.m. Thursday. So, on Wednesday afternoon, I drove to the nearby Cinemark theater and asked at the ticket counter, are you showing A:AoU tonight?

The young female behind the cash register looked at me quizzically and replied, no, it starts tomorrow... the first showing is at 7 with several more including midnight. I remarked about how the midnight screening tomorrow is really 12:01 a.m. Friday, not Thursday.

It was a Dr. Sheldon Cooper moment for me, and, no, I did not win that argument. At least, I did not convince the theater to screen the movie for me tonight at midnight. I guess they weren't overly concerned about potential consequences for false advertising.

Oh, well. I'll just have to wait until tomorrow like everyone else.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2015, 03:57:24 AM »
I'm disappointed that theaters lowered the bar for early screenings from midnight to 7pm.  It sets the bar higher to distinguish true believers.  But when there's money to be made ...
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2015, 04:11:08 AM »
Okay, back from seeing it.

It's full of quips.  Maybe too many quips.  I could almost imagine a laugh track, but it was live.

Felt a little rush at times but you all heard how long the first cut was.

I enjoyed it.  Plenty of action ... between all the quips.

No real tie in back to AoS, unless THAT was Theta Protocol.  Or that other thing.

Sorely missing Pepper.

Vision's cool but I'm not sure if he did any density shifting.  I think I need to see it again.

The theater I went to had five or six screens out of sixteen devoted to it.  I saw it in 2D.

For previews besides Ant-Man and Tomorrowland the only other one I remembered was Vin Diesel - Witch Hunter.  EDIT: Oops, forgot Insidious 3.  For once a horror trailer made me jump.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2015, 12:54:53 PM »
I clearly remember the Mad Max trailer... and it looked just so over the top that I can't wait for the movie.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2015, 01:05:51 PM »
Okay, back from seeing it.


Vision's cool but I'm not sure if he did any density shifting.  I think I need to see it again.



I saw it a few days ago - in the big fight at the end you see Vision phasing his arm through the robots once or twice. Its subtle and they really don't call attention to it but its there.

I think they did a good job with him. Of course a lot simpler then his real origin - being the body of the original Human Torch - which of course later had to be fiddled with since the Torch was found buried and deactivated under the ground quite a ling time ago. And of course having the brain patterns of Wonder Man - who was also not dead after all.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2015, 08:04:02 PM »
I saw it a few days ago - in the big fight at the end you see Vision phasing his arm through the robots once or twice. Its subtle and they really don't call attention to it but its there.

I think they did a good job with him. Of course a lot simpler then his real origin - being the body of the original Human Torch - which of course later had to be fiddled with since the Torch was found buried and deactivated under the ground quite a ling time ago. And of course having the brain patterns of Wonder Man - who was also not dead after all.

I'm sure that Wonder Man has his fans, but I long ago came to the decision that it would have been better if Simon Williams had remained dead in order to make Vision more unique.


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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2015, 08:51:19 PM »
I'm sure that Wonder Man has his fans, but I long ago came to the decision that it would have been better if Simon Williams had remained dead in order to make Vision more unique.

Well for many. many years the joke was the only people who died in comics and who actually stayed dead was Bucky Barnes and Uncle Ben.
Of course we found out later Bucky didn't die, but they didn't know that when they did those zillion stories in the 70's and 80's with Bucky's ghost, reanimated corpse, etc.

I guess that leaves poor Ben all by himself.



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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2015, 09:56:25 PM »
Well for many. many years the joke was the only people who died in comics and who actually stayed dead was Bucky Barnes and Uncle Ben.
Of course we found out later Bucky didn't die, but they didn't know that when they did those zillion stories in the 70's and 80's with Bucky's ghost, reanimated corpse, etc.

I guess that leaves poor Ben all by himself.

Uncle Ben has been brought back before, I believe as a clone. There was always some DC character that was included in the "Bucky Clause" as well, I do not remember who, but from what I have heard all 3 were brought back within about a year.

I absolutely loved the movie. My only real complaint is that AoS made a lot of effort to set up the movie, and the movie ignored the show 100%. A casual passing reference would have been fine, a guest appearance of Coulson would have been amazing.

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Or, you know, if on the helecarrier that Nick Fury found somewhere unexplained the entire AoS team was there helping pull people in, maybe firing a shot or two at the Ultrons flying in. 20...30 seconds of screen time maybe? And where the heck was that helecarrier the entire time?

Getting to see Tony and Bruce working together a lot in this movie, the friendship they have formed, that was cool.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2015, 10:49:51 PM »
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Or, you know, if on the helecarrier that Nick Fury found somewhere unexplained the entire AoS team was there helping pull people in, maybe firing a shot or two at the Ultrons flying in. 20...30 seconds of screen time maybe? And where the heck was that helecarrier the entire time?

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Fury did mention that he revived the old helicarrier with help from a couple of friends.  He didn't specifically say who.  I'm wondering if that will tie in to Agents of Shield this week.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2015, 10:56:32 PM »
Got back from watching it a few hours ago. Spoiler free review: It was awesome.

Spoiler filled commentary on the film:
Spoiler for Hidden:
Favorite quips through the whole movie were the constant jabs to each other about "language" following Captain America's line in the beginning of the movie. Best running gag I've seen in quite a while.

Favorite scene though was when Stark hit Hulk in the face, and Hulk spit out a tooth and glares at Stark, and Stark immediately, with an "oh $&@*" look on his face goes "I'm sorry...". I nearly lost it at that... ;D

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2015, 01:53:20 AM »
Got back from watching it a few hours ago. Spoiler free review: It was awesome.

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Favorite quips through the whole movie were the constant jabs to each other about "language" following Captain America's line in the beginning of the movie. Best running gag I've seen in quite a while.

Favorite scene though was when Stark hit Hulk in the face, and Hulk spit out a tooth and glares at Stark, and Stark immediately, with an "oh $&@*" look on his face goes "I'm sorry...". I nearly lost it at that... ;D

That bit was great. I must say Spader was excellent as Ultron.

You can see the set up for Civil War somewhat in this one. The division on what to do with Vision saw the sides that people will choose I'm sure.
I doubt the Secret Identity law will be used as A) they don't have THAT many heroes yet to make a big threat and B) who in the MU films actually has a Secret ID? Everyone knows Stark is IM, Rogers is Cap. Thor doesn't have one. No one really wears a mask. Heck in Cap:WS Black Widow opened up all the Shield files to the public.


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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 01:41:08 PM »
That bit was great. I must say Spader was excellent as Ultron.

You can see the set up for Civil War somewhat in this one. The division on what to do with Vision saw the sides that people will choose I'm sure.
I doubt the Secret Identity law will be used as A) they don't have THAT many heroes yet to make a big threat and B) who in the MU films actually has a Secret ID? Everyone knows Stark is IM, Rogers is Cap. Thor doesn't have one. No one really wears a mask. Heck in Cap:WS Black Widow opened up all the Shield files to the public.

As I understood it, the secret identities was only part of the issue in the Civil War storyline. The other part was forced registration of all active super heroes under threat of imprisonment unless they choose option 3 which was to just retire from crime fighting, which most didn't want to do.

The mandatory registration itself was such a big issue in fact, that there were even jabs from the Mutants about it, and how they didn't want to get involved because no one tried to help them when the same kind of registration laws were being passed for mutant registration.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2015, 01:02:13 AM »
Good movie, a bit..bloated (the hulkbuster fight could have used cutting, but I know the pay off for it will be Thanos swatting the thing like a fly)

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Quicksilver dying made me cry manly tears, it instantly made me think of of Cyrus Thompon.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2015, 02:52:05 AM »
Err... I suggest you remove the slash from your first spoiler tag to fix it... Don't want someone blundering into a thread that's marked as having "spoilers", that actually is filled with spoilers, and have them seeing those spoilers, then having them get mad because things were spoiled........

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2015, 03:52:12 AM »
It was my third post about the Movie on three different forums :P I was spoiled out.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2015, 03:02:04 PM »
I doubt the Secret Identity law will be used as A) they don't have THAT many heroes yet to make a big threat and B) who in the MU films actually has a Secret ID? Everyone knows Stark is IM, Rogers is Cap. Thor doesn't have one. No one really wears a mask. Heck in Cap:WS Black Widow opened up all the Shield files to the public.

Actually I can absolutely see it. In the comics Tony and Steve were public knowledge anyway during Civil War, and while yes, the sheer numbers will probably never match up, there are a decent number of heroes that will be around by the time that is out.

We have the Netflix shows setting up several, Spiderman and Black Panther will be joining up for Civil War, Ant-Man will have been released, and Agents of Shield has been setting up Inhumans. Combine that with the side characters of Falcon and War Machine, the new characters from this movie, and the old cast and you have a decent selection. Plus they have already mentioned Doctor Strange in the last Captain America movie, it wouldnt be that far out of nowhere to see more set up for him since his movie will be out later that same year.


Good grief. I never thought I'd be able to have a conversation about some of these characters getting movies. It's a good time to be a geek.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2015, 03:32:26 PM »
Actually I can absolutely see it. In the comics Tony and Steve were public knowledge anyway during Civil War, and while yes, the sheer numbers will probably never match up, there are a decent number of heroes that will be around by the time that is out.

We have the Netflix shows setting up several, Spiderman and Black Panther will be joining up for Civil War, Ant-Man will have been released, and Agents of Shield has been setting up Inhumans. Combine that with the side characters of Falcon and War Machine, the new characters from this movie, and the old cast and you have a decent selection. Plus they have already mentioned Doctor Strange in the last Captain America movie, it wouldnt be that far out of nowhere to see more set up for him since his movie will be out later that same year.


Good grief. I never thought I'd be able to have a conversation about some of these characters getting movies. It's a good time to be a geek.

Sounds good. If they can throw them all in. Honestly it would be better off as a stand alone film than a Captain America film if it will have all those people in it.

Then the next Cap film could be the Death of Captain America.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2015, 12:37:52 AM »
The climactic fight scene shows why Marvel just fucking gets it and DC does not. Comic Book Movies are supposed to make us WANT to put on a cape and save the world; not to gaze at our navels and mope about how daddy told us to let all our classmates die and then got sucked up in a twister. The end sequence where they were backed up around the ultimate macguffin felt like a live-action comic splash page. by comparison, the sequences in DC's last few attempts were gratuitous effects-wank.

was there a scene after credits? I only got to see the one featuring you know who putting on his you know what.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2015, 01:09:24 AM »
Nope, no second stinger. Just a screen saying "The Avengers will return."

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2015, 03:26:24 AM »
Nope, no second stinger. Just a screen saying "The Avengers will return."

Was veeeery disappointed in that. Especially because I had predicted what it would be.

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The last scene before the stinger was Captain America talking to new Avenger trainees, and he says "Alright, Avengers-" and gets cut off. I expected a second stinger where he finishes the catch phrase with an "Assemble".

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2015, 12:56:46 PM »
The climactic fight scene shows why Marvel just pancaking gets it and DC does not. Comic Book Movies are supposed to make us WANT to put on a cape and save the world; not to gaze at our navels and mope about how daddy told us to let all our classmates die and then got sucked up in a twister. The end sequence where they were backed up around the ultimate macguffin felt like a live-action comic splash page. by comparison, the sequences in DC's last few attempts were gratuitous effects-wank.

was there a scene after credits? I only got to see the one featuring you know who putting on his you know what.

Exactly - the Marvel films feel like comic book films where the DC stuff are films that just happen to have comic book heroes.

Though Man of Steel I liked - that felt more like a Marvel type film to me, for the most part.

And the fact they had him kill Zod - that was very bold and in the context of the story it worked.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2015, 07:07:35 PM »
Though Man of Steel I liked - that felt more like a Marvel type film to me, for the most part.

And the fact they had him kill Zod - that was very bold and in the context of the story it worked.

Eh.  i just re-watched that movie, and it just does not sit all that well with me.  Not exactly sure on why, but it just seems... off.

However, I will back you up on the killing of Zod.  In the context, it fit.  plus, in the comics, Superman has killed Zod in past stories.  And it's not like he killed him, then stood up and laughingly skipped away.  It caused him considerable anguish. 

I agree with the post above that says Marvel get it and DC doesn't (in regards to films).  DC is doing TV right, though.  It's a big mistake for them to keep their TV and movie universes separate.  They should throw the TV Arrow and Flash in the next set of movies.  Just cameos, like War Machine and Falcon in Age of Ultron. 

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2015, 02:04:51 AM »
Eh.  i just re-watched that movie, and it just does not sit all that well with me.  Not exactly sure on why, but it just seems... off.

However, I will back you up on the killing of Zod.  In the context, it fit.  plus, in the comics, Superman has killed Zod in past stories.  And it's not like he killed him, then stood up and laughingly skipped away.  It caused him considerable anguish. 

I agree with the post above that says Marvel get it and DC doesn't (in regards to films).  DC is doing TV right, though.  It's a big mistake for them to keep their TV and movie universes separate.  They should throw the TV Arrow and Flash in the next set of movies.  Just cameos, like War Machine and Falcon in Age of Ultron.
I could go on at length about what was wrong with Man of Steel. But it boils down to this... they took a character who, for 70 years, was a bastion of truth, justice, etc; an upstanding paragon and the literal big blue boyscout, and transformed it into a navel-gazing self-centered and self-important whiny brat of a superhuman because, well, that's how he's written in a lot of the current DC new 52. Basically, they listened to all those comic book readers who claim superman is boring, and tried to make hum... unboring to that particular section of the audience. They also tried to make a batman movie using superman; see this for explanations of why.

I do agree, that what they did with Zod was brilliant. Raising him up from being a bog-standard megalomaniac to being someone who was genetically predesigned to be a warmonger incapable of seeing that what he was saying was not right was a great idea in a movie full of otherwise bad and recycled ideas. that and the kryptonian sequence are really the only parts of that movie that work for me. (the two minute scene where clark talks to the priest is effective too, but it is quickly drowned by the surrounding scenes)
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2015, 02:46:59 AM »
I could go on at length about what was wrong with Man of Steel. But it boils down to this... they took a character who, for 70 years, was a bastion of truth, justice, etc; an upstanding paragon and the literal big blue boyscout, and transformed it into a navel-gazing self-centered and self-important whiny brat of a superhuman because, well, that's how he's written in a lot of the current DC new 52. Basically, they listened to all those comic book readers who claim superman is boring, and tried to make hum... unboring to that particular section of the audience. They also tried to make a batman movie using superman; see this for explanations of why.

I do agree, that what they did with Zod was brilliant. Raising him up from being a bog-standard megalomaniac to being someone who was genetically predesigned to be a warmonger incapable of seeing that what he was saying was not right was a great idea in a movie full of otherwise bad and recycled ideas. that and the kryptonian sequence are really the only parts of that movie that work for me. (the two minute scene where clark talks to the priest is effective too, but it is quickly drowned by the surrounding scenes)

I have to say I agree with most of what you're saying, but personally, I'm still conflicted with the way in which he killed Zod... It felt off, and somewhat forced even, to me anyways.

Sure it made sense in the context of the movie and that particular scene, but years of knowing Superman's "there has to be another way" mentality (particularly well showcased in the movie, Superman vs. the Elite, where he somewhat agonizes over how to deal with them without lowering himself to their level by killing Manchester Black and company), makes me feel that he probably could have, and maybe even should have, tried to find some other way short of killing Zod to incapacitate him.

Granted, I haven't really read any of the comics(except for the infamous Doomsday arc... Warning, Mild language, and very funny, may not be work safe!), let alone the new 52 stuff(which every thing I hear makes me kind of not want to lately...), so my perspective might not be as well informed as yours...

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2015, 02:53:13 AM »
Nope, no second stinger. Just a screen saying "The Avengers will return."

Theater workers tried to get everyone to leave by telling us that (so did Joss but ...).  Someone shouted back that we just wanted to acknowledge all the people who worked on it ... and wait for the bathrooms to empty.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2015, 03:02:30 AM »
Granted, I haven't really read any of the comics(except for the infamous Doomsday arc... Warning, Mild language, and very funny, may not be work safe!), let alone the new 52 stuff(which every thing I hear makes me kind of not want to lately...), so my perspective might not be as well informed as yours...

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2015, 04:19:24 AM »
Theater workers tried to get everyone to leave by telling us that (so did Joss but ...).  Someone shouted back that we just wanted to acknowledge all the people who worked on it ... and wait for the bathrooms to empty.
yeah bathrooms were a serious issue at our theater, I had to go once, my dad twice, and there was always a line. it was more like a night at a baseball game than at the movies.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2015, 02:01:06 AM »
Damn Agents of Shield - they spoiled the movie for me!

Now I know Ultron was defeated and the Avengers won...

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2015, 05:16:10 AM »
Eh.  i just re-watched that movie, and it just does not sit all that well with me.  Not exactly sure on why, but it just seems... off.

However, I will back you up on the killing of Zod.  In the context, it fit.  plus, in the comics, Superman has killed Zod in past stories.  And it's not like he killed him, then stood up and laughingly skipped away.  It caused him considerable anguish. 

I agree with the post above that says Marvel get it and DC doesn't (in regards to films).  DC is doing TV right, though.  It's a big mistake for them to keep their TV and movie universes separate.  They should throw the TV Arrow and Flash in the next set of movies.  Just cameos, like War Machine and Falcon in Age of Ultron. 

What bugs me about the movie is that neither Zod nor Kal tumble to the idea, "Hey, there is more than one planet in this solar system. Oh lookie, a red rock not too far from here. Humans call it 'Mars'? But they're not using it? Lets terra-form that."

But no, cuz peacefully settling this easily acquired resource and never being heard from again doesn't sell as many tickets as massive destruction and murder. Go figure.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2015, 08:40:00 AM »
Just got back from it. Thoroughly enjoyed myself, although I wasn't expecting anything less. Spader was perfect (no surprise). The old crew were perfect (no surprise). The two newbies were great (they'll grow into it). I saw it in 2D and don't think there's anything I needed to see in 3D - which is refreshing, as most movies are putting stuff in to make 3D viewing the optimal experience.

Not really interested in the whole Bruce/Natasha thing, because their personalities, interests, etc., are basically diametrically at odds with one another. Opposites attract and all that, but this isn't "apples and oranges"...this is like apples and... and... toasters.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2015, 11:34:52 AM »
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2015, 05:16:45 PM »
So anyone follow the Twitter drama that Joss Whedon was hit with? TONS of hate, death threats, all kinds of horribleness because of the movie that lead to him quitting Twitter altogether.

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Some people were apparently super upset that Quicksilver was killed off so soon, but for the most part it was a result of Widow. People taking the seeing herself as a monster because of how she was trained (which including her being sterilized) as any infertile woman being a monster.

I certainly did not see the scene like that, and was curious if anyone else felt like that at all when they saw it.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2015, 06:44:50 PM »
My husband thinks the Quicksilver thing is a big middle finger to Fox, who basically 'rented' the rights for this movie to Marvel. "Thanks for that! Now we have Scarlet Witch, suckas!"

Also, I think the Black Widow scene was acknowledgement between two people who see themselves as monsters (and the world sees as monsters, in the right context), but are trying to not be. She never said "I can't be a mom so I'm a monster" - she basically said she's a monster because she killed (and occasionally still does kill) people...that was/is her job...and she did/does it *really* well. That she couldn't get pregnant made it easier to be really good at her job of being a monster.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2015, 09:06:35 PM »
the black widow sequence was wildly more complex than the social justice warriors on twitter want to claim it was. and that bugs them, so they have to shout down anyone who would point it out, including the fucking creators of the material, in order to maintain the momentum of their twisted talking points.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2015, 09:38:44 PM »
Bruce said he can't have kids - I'm guessing the gamma radiation - all she said was she was sterilized as part of the process so she cant have kids either. That's all I saw in that part. The monster comment had nothing to do with kids - it was about her training.

People just want to read into things what they want to hear.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2015, 11:10:55 PM »
Natasha talked about the sterilization as another step in the process of making her a stone-cold 24/7 spy/assassin. I forgot the exact phrasing, but it was something about "it not getting in the way (or being a factor), thus making her more efficient." I don't think the words directly said this, but somehow I got the impression that not only did they remove the possibility of distraction from being a weapon (made her unable to bear children), but even menstruation was considered a hindrance, thus it was ruthlessly eliminated as part of the larger picture.

It struck me during the final battle, weaving in and out of the action, heroes and villains clashing all over the place, that this was kind of a live-action, 3D representation of all those crowd fights that George Perez drew once upon a time. I'm thinking mainly of the DC heroes vs Marvel heroes poster. Don't think that was the intent, but having that interpretation occur to me heightened my enjoyment of that battle.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2015, 11:57:30 PM »
yes, the final action sequences were pretty much living splash pages by design.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2015, 05:00:37 PM »
So anyone follow the Twitter drama that Joss Whedon was hit with? TONS of hate, death threats, all kinds of horribleness because of the movie that lead to him quitting Twitter altogether.

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Some people were apparently super upset that Quicksilver was killed off so soon, but for the most part it was a result of Widow. People taking the seeing herself as a monster because of how she was trained (which including her being sterilized) as any infertile woman being a monster.

I certainly did not see the scene like that, and was curious if anyone else felt like that at all when they saw it.

I didn't and I saw the movie a 2nd time paying close attention to what was being said in that scene.  The whole back lash is someone misremembered the wording in the scene and the echo chamber of social media turning it into a fact when that's not was was said.  Even people who remembered it correctly are starting to doubt themselves because everyone can't be wrong, so they start to believe it was them who misheard it. 

Unless they release the clip now people will say the wording was changed for the disc release when you wave it in front of their noses.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2015, 10:39:12 AM »
Bruce said he can't have kids - I'm guessing the gamma radiation...
No idea how close the movies are to the UU, but one issue had Banner and Stark talk about the fomer's DNA.
How he wasn't even close to human most of the time and should he ever have children they'd be lucky to just get born with gills and flippers.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2015, 05:04:51 PM »
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The last scene before the stinger was Captain America talking to new Avenger trainees, and he says "Alright, Avengers-" and gets cut off. I expected a second stinger where he finishes the catch phrase with an "Assemble".

I'm predicting that's the first word/scene we're going to hear/see at the beginning of Civil War.  It's going to pick up right where AoU left off.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2015, 08:40:59 PM »
Just got back from seeing this.  The only thing that bothered me was that Ultron was far too congenial.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2015, 11:03:55 PM »
I saw the movie yesterday. I'm happy to say that AoS didn't really spoil anything in the movie, except...

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Theta Protocol being the Helicarrier. So, yes. Fury did indirectly reference Son of Coul and friends.

I thoroughly enjoyed the short quips and one liners tossed about in the movie. My favorites being...

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Pietro Maximoff: [speeding off with Wanda] Keep up, old man!

Clint Barton: [drawing his bow] No one will have to know. I could do it, you know. 'Where's the kid?' Oh, last I saw him, Ultron was sitting on him. Shame, really. Miss the little bastard already."

[jogs after them]

And...

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Clint Barton: The city is flying and we're fighting an army of robots. And I have a bow and arrow. Nothing makes sense.

And...

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Tony Stark: [Entering a room full of Hydra soldiers] Guys, lets talk about this...

[Shoots all the Hydra men non-fatally with tiny guided missiles]

Tony Stark: Good talk.

Background voice: No, it wasn't!

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2015, 11:33:58 PM »
I saw the movie yesterday. I'm happy to say that AoS didn't really spoil anything in the movie, except...

Spoiler for Hidden:
Theta Protocol being the Helicarrier. So, yes. Fury did indirectly reference Son of Coul and friends.

I thoroughly enjoyed the short quips and one liners tossed about in the movie. My favorites being...

Spoiler for Hidden:

Pietro Maximoff: [speeding off with Wanda] Keep up, old man!

Clint Barton: [drawing his bow] No one will have to know. I could do it, you know. 'Where's the kid?' Oh, last I saw him, Ultron was sitting on him. Shame, really. Miss the little bastard already."

[jogs after them]

And...

Spoiler for Hidden:
Clint Barton: The city is flying and we're fighting an army of robots. And I have a bow and arrow. Nothing makes sense.

And...

Spoiler for Hidden:

Tony Stark: [Entering a room full of Hydra soldiers] Guys, lets talk about this...

[Shoots all the Hydra men non-fatally with tiny guided missiles]

Tony Stark: Good talk.

Background voice: No, it wasn't!

I thought all the Cap bad language scenes were good.

The one issue I take with this is that in the comics Cap WAS able to lift Thor's hammer.
This is how Thor knew he was really Steve Rogers when he was not Captain America anymore, but the Captain.

Of course for the movie, Cap is more like the Ultimate version so he is not the same.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2015, 12:00:22 AM »
Of course for the movie, Cap is more like the Ultimate version so he is not the same.
Most emphatically, not like the Ultimate version. 

Cap in the comics and the movies is best of America.  He's brave, heroic, compassionate, honest.  The Ultimate version is more like USAgent than Cap.  He's jingoistic, nationalistic and a brute.

That Cap can't lift the hammer was there to set up the gag later on when Vision could, not a reflection on worthiness.  Rest assured, movie Cap will lift the hammer if the plot needs it or it would make an awesome moment at some point in the future.  Perhaps in the Infinity Wars movies.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2015, 12:25:17 AM »
Most emphatically, not like the Ultimate version. 

Cap in the comics and the movies is best of America.  He's brave, heroic, compassionate, honest.  The Ultimate version is more like USAgent than Cap.  He's jingoistic, nationalistic and a brute.

That Cap can't lift the hammer was there to set up the gag later on when Vision could, not a reflection on worthiness.  Rest assured, movie Cap will lift the hammer if the plot needs it or it would make an awesome moment at some point in the future.  Perhaps in the Infinity Wars movies.

I was thinking Ultimate Cap in the sense that this movie Cap used guns in the War and also in the first Avengers film. The regular Cap never really used a gun as far as I can recall.

Well the set up for the Vision to lift the hammer was a great moment. Also set up the scene where Quicksilver tried to grab the hammer and went flying along with it.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2015, 01:29:00 AM »
Also set up the scene where Quicksilver tried to grab the hammer and went flying along with it.
The entire theater I was in erupted into laughter when that happened. It was a great geek-bonding moment.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2015, 04:38:53 AM »
the movies, are, in truth, a blending of elements of both Ultimates and 616. (and also some things wholly new)

and it has routinely been said that the Captain America movies are better Superman movies than Man of Steel. because yeah cap is basically channeling the golden age captain america/superman of being so altruistic it hurts. And it works because it's there as a counter to other elements in the films.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2015, 04:40:13 AM »
The entire theater I was in erupted into laughter when that happened. It was a great geek-bonding moment.
I wish I could say the same, small town iowa, so its less geek bonding and more like "listen for who else in the theater really got the joke"
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2015, 04:44:30 AM »
When I saw it today, there were only two people other than me and my two friends in the theatre.  I love it when that happens.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2015, 05:59:37 AM »
I saw it the week after it opened, during a weekday matinee. There were surely no more than a dozen people present, other than my family of 3. The only time I can recall hearing anyone say anything or react vocally in any way was my wife:

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When Quicksilver was shot saving Hawkeye and then collapsed, she said out loud, into the sudden silence, "Oh no."

I was split between being embarrassed and annoyed, then decided it was exactly the right emotion/response called for at that moment.  8)

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2015, 06:44:15 AM »
I heard someone make blubbery sniffle noises when Quicksilver kicked it. I was too busy holding my breath to make any noise.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2015, 07:14:08 PM »
I had no attachment to the character.  I was kinda expecting Hawkeye to die, given that they had primed his death so well to be a drama bomb.  They showed him to be the most fragile at the start, they made out that he brought the human element to the team, they made a big deal out of his wife and kids AND that she was pregnant AND that he just had to come home in one piece...  And then Quicksilver had to make out that he was maybe getting too old for this stuff.  The only way they could have set Hawkeye up any more perfectly to die would've been to put him in a red shirt.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2015, 10:43:17 PM »
I had no attachment to the character.  I was kinda expecting Hawkeye to die, given that they had primed his death so well to be a drama bomb.  They showed him to be the most fragile at the start, they made out that he brought the human element to the team, they made a big deal out of his wife and kids AND that she was pregnant AND that he just had to come home in one piece...  And then Quicksilver had to make out that he was maybe getting too old for this stuff.  The only way they could have set Hawkeye up any more perfectly to die would've been to put him in a red shirt.
Me, too. That's why I was holding my breath! Fully expected Quicksilver to get there a fraction of a second too late, and thus set up some serious "too slow!?" drama for him later.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2015, 01:56:49 PM »
I had no attachment to the character.  I was kinda expecting Hawkeye to die, given that they had primed his death so well to be a drama bomb.  They showed him to be the most fragile at the start, they made out that he brought the human element to the team, they made a big deal out of his wife and kids AND that she was pregnant AND that he just had to come home in one piece...  And then Quicksilver had to make out that he was maybe getting too old for this stuff.  The only way they could have set Hawkeye up any more perfectly to die would've been to put him in a red shirt.

That's Joss Whedon for you. I've gotten to the point with his works where I knew it was far too obvious that Hawkeye was being set up, I just didnt know who it was going to be.

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2015, 05:19:58 PM »
I'm in the small camp of people who was disappointed.  The plot was too chaotic and the main villain was sub par: too comical to be taken seriously and not human enough to care about either way. 

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The main threat being that the villain was a computer virus that killed Jarvus..er no he didn't, and a world where a hacker can launch ICBMs was ridiculous.  Then the plot went upside down and added a magic device that turned a city into a death bomb Gundam style. 

All of it seemed too...I can't even think of a word to describe it, I think this will be the last Marvel movie I see for a while.


Much like Man of Steel was the last DC movie, and I love Superman and used to love DC.  DC turned Superman into a poor man's uninspiring Batman.  The movie jumped the shark...nuked the fridge for me at the diner scene.  Supes stands up to jerks, that's his thing: but instead he passively aggressively destroyed the jerks livelihood and power wires becoming a jerk himself.  The writers or DC leads...or someone in charge just don't get their own character.  They've lost touch. 

Maybe it's the culture losing touch with what could be.  Maybe the culture has stopped wanting to be hopeful and be better, and we're content with dreaming about heroes and action. 

Everyone making fun of Cap for talking about Language I was fine and amused with, but Cap, agreeing that he was wrong: NO! 

Cap and Sups are the same in that they inspire that we can be better.  All superheroes can do that and the Dark Knight did that in spades (Batman style).  A superman movie that is dark and bleak just misses the point.  I'd rather have a superman that is completely ridiculous where sups can fly the world back in time to save the day or magically reconstruct the great wall than let a city or two die. 

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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2015, 09:28:40 PM »
We'll probably never know for certain, but I think at least some of your complaints would have been addressed by the hour and ten minutes of material left in the editing room. Joss Whedon is a great story teller, but he also has a tendency to be very verbose, and I think in this case, that tendency came back and bit him in the ass when everyone around him (rightly) told him that people didn't want to sit through a three and a half hour movie in theaters.

Ultron was decidedly not nearly as charismatic as Loki or psychotic as Ronin or wacky as Justin Hammer, but I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand. I can follow the logic that he was built to protect the earth, and with his super-human intellect came to the conclusion that humans are a menace to themselves first and formost. It went off the rails for me when it stopped being that and turned into daddy issues.

As to Cap and Supes... it's not that we as fans don't want them any more... far from it in fact, if you listen to the myriad of arguments and complaints people still have about "Man of Steel" two years later. The problem is that the suits at Marvel and at DC are hyper-focused on a very small portion of the fan base; the fans of the 90's anti-heroes. To those folks, no one can simply be a hero to be a hero (see allstar superman) but must instead have some twisted psychological reason for doing what they do. And they crow and cry loudly that "Superman is Boring!"

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Then go fucking read the punisher or spawn and leave my book alone!

For whatever reason knownst only to the suits, they chose to listen to this sector of the fanbase above all others, which is why we got the "now everyone is a grim and gritty batman" nu52, and a superman who is an emo whiney wrist cutter with daddy issues, and a captain america who is at odds not just with his timeline, but with pretty much everyone else in his universe. the new younger less grim and gritty batgirl and last year's big hero six seem to finally be signally a change in this idea, but progress is glacially slow in moving away from the pouches-and-steroids era thought process.
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« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2015, 02:45:54 AM »
Man of Steel has to rank as one of the worst comic book movies ever made just because of how spectacularly they failed to get the character.
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« Reply #60 on: June 03, 2015, 06:24:31 AM »
The plot didn't go "upside down", they foreshadowed the end with all the meteor talk.  It went right where it was obviously heading.

Still... at the end of the day, it seemed less the Age of Ultron and more the Origin of Vision.
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Re: Avengers: Age of Ultron (spoilers)
« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2015, 07:46:07 PM »
We'll probably never know for certain, but I think at least some of your complaints would have been addressed by the hour and ten minutes of material left in the editing room. Joss Whedon is a great story teller, but he also has a tendency to be very verbose, and I think in this case, that tendency came back and bit him in the ass when everyone around him (rightly) told him that people didn't want to sit through a three and a half hour movie in theaters.

Ultron was decidedly not nearly as charismatic as Loki or psychotic as Ronin or wacky as Justin Hammer, but I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand. I can follow the logic that he was built to protect the earth, and with his super-human intellect came to the conclusion that humans are a menace to themselves first and formost. It went off the rails for me when it stopped being that and turned into daddy issues.

As to Cap and Supes... it's not that we as fans don't want them any more... far from it in fact, if you listen to the myriad of arguments and complaints people still have about "Man of Steel" two years later. The problem is that the suits at Marvel and at DC are hyper-focused on a very small portion of the fan base; the fans of the 90's anti-heroes. To those folks, no one can simply be a hero to be a hero (see allstar superman) but must instead have some twisted psychological reason for doing what they do. And they crow and cry loudly that "Superman is Boring!"

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Then go pancaking read the punisher or spawn and leave my book alone!

For whatever reason knownst only to the suits, they chose to listen to this sector of the fanbase above all others, which is why we got the "now everyone is a grim and gritty batman" nu52, and a superman who is an emo whiney wrist cutter with daddy issues, and a captain america who is at odds not just with his timeline, but with pretty much everyone else in his universe. the new younger less grim and gritty batgirl and last year's big hero six seem to finally be signally a change in this idea, but progress is glacially slow in moving away from the pouches-and-steroids era thought process.
 

I wish we had a like button - the last part of your post is so true. Not everyone need to be Batman. And I thought the Nu52 Clark Kent was stealing form high school Peter Parker.