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So... Where to from here?
« on: March 01, 2015, 03:09:01 AM »
Hey all, so I've personally been a bit neglectful of the forums lately, tuned out of the CoH community a bit more than usual. There have been several reasons, but the long and short of it is that if you've been coming here regularly for updates on what's going on, you've probably been a bit stranded, possibly even moving on to other sources of information such as Facebook. Right now, we're kind of in a bit of a lull. The successor projects are all working to get something out, with Valiance Online having an alpha testing client out and the other two projects churning out regular updates but still both pretty far away from having something concrete out. There's periodic talk of discussions happening with NCsoft, but to be honest, I personally don't expect anything to come of them in the next few months (prove me wrong!).

I've been pondering where exactly I want the Titan Network to go in the future, and I have to admit, it's a real brain-scratcher to me.  I hate to just leave everything like it is, lest it basically become a museum.  So I thought I'd post a message to get some discussion going, both within the community and within the Titan Network administration, where do you want to go from here?

I've tossed around a bunch of ideas in my head, including things like:
  • Expanding the TN to include some other MMORPGs
  • Converting the site into a sort of social networky site a la Facebook, but geared at general gaming, or possibly MMORPGs in particular
  • Setting up a text/voice chat server for the use of former players, or even providing services such as a Don't Starve dedicated server for players (note: that's just an example!)
  • Shifting the focus of the site to a Slashdot-type site where we post gaming news and information
  • Refocusing on a different specific game, such as Champions Online
  • Streaming some game-playing with friends and members of the community
  • Coming up with a specific project, such as, I dunno, a superhero-themed card game, or a simple casual game, or something along those lines
  • Work on community mods for existing games, such as the CoH-themed Civilization V mod
That's not an exhaustive list of ideas, and there's no way in hell we could tackle all of them, and I've probably not even thought of the itch I most want scratched.

So the reason I'm posting here is because it's painfully obvious that it's just not going to be possible to post a constant stream of interesting CoH-related news and information; there's just too much time elapsing in between significant changes for us to call that the be-all and end-all of our purpose.  Now that doesn't mean that we won't continue to keep our ear to the rail and inform everyone of what's happening in that space, but just to jostle the ol' noodle and see if I can get a sense of what folks want from the Titan Network going forward, I'd really like to get your thoughts and opinions on the question presented in the subject of this thread.  Where do we want to go from here?
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2015, 03:34:33 AM »
Those are some interesting options, sure.

Myself, I think I've downloaded....maybe 8 other MMOs, Champions Online included, and although Champions "Looks" the most like CoH, the underlying mechanics were different enough that this old dog didn't want to learn that new trick. So, for me, "focus"-ing on another game - well, that wouldn't be for me. I was one of those players of CoH who felt that if I stopped playing CoH to play a different game, I would be missing out on CoH playtime. So, I never did. I mean, you can't serve two masters, can you? But - that's just me.

"Setting up a text/voice chat server for the use of former players, or even providing services such as a Don't Starve dedicated server for players (note: that's just an example!)"   -- This is interesting to me.

"Streaming some game-playing with friends and members of the community"   So is this.

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2015, 05:12:22 AM »
In my opinion, a refocusing of the Titan Network that would keep it true to its roots would be to broaden the scope a bit, from 'All Things City of Heroes' to 'All Things Superhero (Online?) Gaming,' which could incorporate some of the concepts from your bulleted list.

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2015, 03:52:22 PM »
I don't think anyone would object if titan broadened its focus.

Heck, doing so may even bring new folks into the fold, folks who may not have had the opportunity to play CoH, read something about it on titan and think to themselves,  "CoH looks like the sort of game I'd like to play. I'll keep an eye on these CoH spiritual successors or watch for news of a CoH revival."

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2015, 03:56:27 PM »
I have been a die-hard CoHV fan/player since I2 Beta through closure.  I have played CO (no thanks), SWtOR (still play some), DC and Marvel Universes have played both (no thanks), Valiance Online (looks too much like CO for my taste)(no thanks).  For me the Titan Network was all about things related to City of Heroes/Villains.  I also follow progress on Atlas Park Revival (APR), Heroes & Villains, and The Phoenix Project.

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2015, 05:36:14 PM »
Expanding the TN to include some other MMORPGs - As long as the focus still remains on CoH.  Maybe expanded "What other games are you playing now?"

Converting the site into a sort of social network site a la Facebook, but geared at general gaming, or possibly MMORPGs in particular I come to Titan to read about CoH related topics and probably would not enjoy a shift toward general gaming.   I am not sure how this would look as a social networking site but am open.

Setting up a text/voice chat server for the use of former players, or even providing services such as a Don't Starve dedicated server for players (note: that's just an example!)  Haven't used any of these ever but am open.

Shifting the focus of the site to a Slashdot-type site where we post gaming news and information  Eh - idk

Refocusing on a different specific game, such as Champions Online - Please not CO.   I wouldnt mind more of a focus on the successor projects.  I would like the successor project threads opened back up on here as opposed to the redirects to the individual project's forums... One of the best parts about the Titan forums before was that you could come to one place to discuss all the successor projects and CoH in one place.

Streaming some game-playing with friends and members of the community sounds interesting

Coming up with a specific project, such as, I dunno, a superhero-themed card game, or a simple casual game, or something along those lines - eh indifferent

Work on community mods for existing games, such as the CoH-themed Civilization V mod - eh indifferent

In Summary, I don't want to see the focus of these forums shift away from CoH at all.  Unless you have some inside information that the deal is unlikely or dead, I would like to see these forums focused on the Hail Mary Effort and various successor project rather than a shift to any other MMORPG or general MMORPG discussion.  I'm OK with any change in form as long as the theme of the site remains the same.  Thats just my two cents.
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2015, 08:48:05 PM »
I don't have a problem with things adapting or new elements. The Titan Network grew from an assembly of originally separate elements which all shared a theme. I wouldn't want to see creative people limited if someone has a new idea they'd like to investigate. Sure, a connection to COH would be nice, or at least the superhero theme. Dream on!


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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2015, 09:24:50 PM »
A specific project like a superhero card or tabletop game sounds awesome. although I'd imagine it would take a lot of collaboration and co-operation from everyone on the forums. Focusing a little more on one of the still live Hero rivals would also be quite cool, I know champions gets a mention from time to time but no-one ever seems to talk about DCU on here anymore which is a shame. Talking about city of heroes focused modding efforts sounds amazing, hearing about projects like that would be awesome. And of course I think a bit more discussion about city of heroes in general would be a welcome change; maybe more people sharing character bios, or maybe even people collaborating in regards to character design; I.E. someone comes up with a character suggestion, and someone else makes it on icon and posts it, stuff like that'd be cool.

Regardless of what happens though, I'm glad that the lull in activity on the forums has been noticed and I greatly appreciate people trying to bring attention to the issue :D

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2015, 11:05:00 PM »
CoH-based Superhero MUSH?
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2015, 12:36:54 AM »

  • Coming up with a specific project, such as, I dunno, a superhero-themed card game, or a simple casual game, or something along those lines

 Where do we want to go from here?

City of heroes teh deck building card game?

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Jokes aside, I personally wouldn' like the idea of opening the site to other MMOs any more so that it already is. Museum? I'd like to think of it as an interactive museum.

other than that I'll make better comments when i'm less asleep.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2015, 12:40:20 AM »
A COH themed card game where you had cards for your 18 primary/secondary powers and what not... I could see that getting addictive. This would depend on getting our mathematics enforcement division (coughArcanacough) to workout all the at affects, rules and what not.
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2015, 12:54:29 AM »
Sentinels of the Multiverse coop card game is where I've been lately.  It'd be cool to talk about that stuff here (Boardgamegeek has a forum for SotM, but it's one of thousands).
Greater than Games also recently released Sentinel Tactics which is a miniatures team vs team game set in the same universe.  Could get into that as well.

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2015, 04:10:06 AM »
...Valiance Online (looks too much like CO for my taste)(no thanks). 

I hope you give Valiance Online another chance down the road.

I'm enjoying it a lot.   My current VO character is a super-strength / invulnerability tank and she plays very much like she would have in CoX.   Flying is much more natural in the current release.   

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2015, 05:20:23 AM »
I've moderated a few unconstructive posts out of this thread to keep from getting sidetracked.  Just to be clear, this is not an indication that we're in any way thinking about taking down the Titan Network, and this is not the thread in which to speculate on such things.  I'm am talking about adding features and/or functionality, not subtracting.

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2015, 06:12:31 AM »
I certainly would enjoy if Champions Online got inclusion in the Titan Network. Their wiki is horribly out of date and pretty much abandoned, and trying to search for useful info in their forums is a crapshoot that usually leads to archived posts that are equally out of date. I wonder if the CO community (what's left of it) might be spurred into keeping up on documentation if someone with an aptitude for it nudged things along.

I just hope it never goes away. It's comforting to have someplace to go look up the old info that sifts through the holes in the brain.

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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2015, 07:35:51 AM »

I say expand into other games.  Doesn't really matter what kind.  It'll help people stay with this community even if they've given up MMO's entirely and gone into Steam or console games.


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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2015, 08:56:20 AM »

I've been pondering where exactly I want the Titan Network to go in the future, and I have to admit, it's a real brain-scratcher to me.  I hate to just leave everything like it is, lest it basically become a museum.  So I thought I'd post a message to get some discussion going, both within the community and within the Titan Network administration, where do you want to go from here?

I've tossed around a bunch of ideas in my head, including things like:
  • Expanding the TN to include some other MMORPGs
  • Converting the site into a sort of social networky site a la Facebook, but geared at general gaming, or possibly MMORPGs in particular
  • Setting up a text/voice chat server for the use of former players, or even providing services such as a Don't Starve dedicated server for players (note: that's just an example!)
  • Shifting the focus of the site to a Slashdot-type site where we post gaming news and information
  • Refocusing on a different specific game, such as Champions Online
  • Streaming some game-playing with friends and members of the community
  • Coming up with a specific project, such as, I dunno, a superhero-themed card game, or a simple casual game, or something along those lines
  • Work on community mods for existing games, such as the CoH-themed Civilization V mod
That's not an exhaustive list of ideas, and there's no way in hell we could tackle all of them, and I've probably not even thought of the itch I most want scratched.


If I had to vote for two options, I'd vote being facebookish and expanding to other MMOs, more so super heroe MMO but if there's other MMOs that seem popular within the community then add them in too.

I personally like the site the way it is but I don't mind change either. Either way, I'm not going anywhere.

*Edited to add* Community live streams would be awesome as well. :)

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2015, 03:56:28 PM »
A COH themed card game where you had cards for your 18 primary/secondary powers and what not... I could see that getting addictive. This would depend on getting our mathematics enforcement division (coughArcanacough) to workout all the at affects, rules and what not.

I'm not knocking the idea, I mean it's beyond a great Idea, I said it was a joke cause unless we make it completely free via the Fair Use laws we'd never get the licensing rights necessary for it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2015, 11:07:56 PM »
I'm not knocking the idea, I mean it's beyond a great Idea, I said it was a joke cause unless we make it completely free via the Fair Use laws we'd never get the licensing rights necessary for it.

Just call it Titan City Heroes. Re-name the attacks. The issue would be are we creating our own art or taking icon screen shots?
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2015, 07:14:46 PM »
Just call it Titan City Heroes. Re-name the attacks. The issue would be are we creating our own art or taking icon screen shots?

We'd have to use CoH symbolism, that would be enough to generate a C&D. again I don't want to be a downer,  really like the idea.
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2015, 07:58:30 PM »
We'd have to use CoH symbolism, that would be enough to generate a C&D. again I don't want to be a downer,  really like the idea.

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2015, 05:20:25 AM »
Mentioning words like "facebook" and "social-networking" tend to make people cringe. But... I think it would be nice if I could post onto my TN profile things like: my favorite CoH screenshots , and a section with "Threads I Follow", and maybe my own gaming blog. Not really like facebook, but more like deviantart.com where you have a profile you use to access the forums.
Basically just an expansion of the profiles we already have. That would be cool IMO.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2015, 08:01:47 AM »
Mentioning words like "facebook" and "social-networking" tend to make people cringe. But... I think it would be nice if I could post onto my TN profile things like: my favorite CoH screenshots , and a section with "Threads I Follow", and maybe my own gaming blog. Not really like facebook, but more like deviantart.com where you have a profile you use to access the forums.
Basically just an expansion of the profiles we already have. That would be cool IMO.

The gaming blog thing was what I was getting at in my earlier post. As far as I'm aware. There isn't a blogging community for gamers. Except for 1up but it seems more like a gaming journalist community. I want a place where I can post a screen shot of a purple drop and have people congrats me on it. LOL! Or talk about finally getting to level cap in this one game and have people talk about how brutal the grind was. ect...

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2015, 10:20:28 AM »
The gaming blog thing was what I was getting at in my earlier post. As far as I'm aware. There isn't a blogging community for gamers. Except for 1up but it seems more like a gaming journalist community. I want a place where I can post a screen shot of a purple drop and have people congrats me on it. LOL! Or talk about finally getting to level cap in this one game and have people talk about how brutal the grind was. ect...

Yes indeed that would be cool to have a social networking site that's only for gamers, one in which politicians, propaganda, campaigns, ideologies or support there of and even famous people are not welcome unless they are purely talking Video-games.

Kick-backs could even be possible due to all the game advertisement!
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2015, 06:52:08 PM »
FYI: There exists both the official and a fan-made forum (for silver players) for CO and it has low activity levels. A refocus to CO might not be wise atm, unless a lot of you want to start making addon software all of a sudden.

Also, to address concerns about a wiki for CO, yes, a new one was started.
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2015, 07:27:11 PM »
If you are really thinking about opening up Titan Network, may I suggest expanding the Secret World area in the other games. I think if word gets out more people could/would play it. Could even get a podcast for it.
I also think the primary focus should still be with hero games such a Valiance and City of Titans. :)
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2015, 07:30:59 PM »
A project is a really cool idea, to me. But my practical side knows that it wouldn't really capture the attention of many people - just a dedicated few. Even if it was to make a computer game version of the existing CoH card game. Although that would be cool, too - especially if it had animations / images from the game itself of the powers / heroes.

The big hurdle for me is that I go directly to these forums, and usually directly to the threads I have bookmarked. You'd have to get attention to the new features somehow - when I got to cohtitan.com I realize I forgot to select the /forum URL and rapidly do so - the rest of the network doesn't hold much interest to me (other than the Wiki, but even that has my interest... waning, unfortunately).

I think this post sounds negative, but... really, for me, I try not to play computer games anymore, and I'm not sure I'd be able to dedicate time to a project, and I have no burning desire for more interaction than the forums give. So I just don't have any ideas for anything.
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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2015, 01:24:27 AM »
I say expand into other games.  Doesn't really matter what kind.  It'll help people stay with this community even if they've given up MMO's entirely and gone into Steam or console games.
i agree, if Dulfy can handle covering 6 or 7 games on one site i'd think Titan Network can do the same.
While Champions Online is an obvious possibility i've seen more acquaintances who consider STO and TSW to be more like CoH. i haven't been playing TSW for a while, but in the MMO vein i have been playing FFXIV and ESO.
i like the idea of making Titan Network more of a social hub/resource for multiple games. i would be far more likely to invest more time in games like TSW if i knew more people who play it.
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2015, 07:53:42 AM »
Without creating a completely new site under a new name, the only thing that makes sense is broadening the scope while retaining the coverage of CoH and its successor projects. Otherwise why not just start a new, different project? The Titan Network wouldn't really be the Titan Network if you focused away from CoH.

And the most sensible area to broaden the scope would be to cover all of the current superhero MMOs - CO, DCUO, Marvel Heroes. If that ain't enough, perhaps add other games apparently liked by ex-CoHers, such as STO or TSW.


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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2015, 04:55:54 PM »
Doesn't have to be just super hero MMOs - could be any and all super hero games in general.
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2015, 05:27:17 PM »
There are non-MMO superhero games out there? The last I remember was Freedom Force :D

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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2015, 05:50:02 PM »
Mate, I'm fine with the titan network being a coh only thing with an other games section here on the forums but If you decide to choose another game or games for the community to play you should put a poll up and get votes.

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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2015, 07:52:36 PM »
There are non-MMO superhero games out there? The last I remember was Freedom Force :D

Not counting the last Saint's Row heh heh.

Well, some non-MMO superhero games in my collection are:
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Crackdown
Marvel Rise of the Imperfects
Injustice Gods Among Us
Batman Arkham City
Hulk Ultimate Destruction
Ultimate Spider-Man

...and I know there are many more out there like Prototype, Marvel VS Capcom, and Infamous. So aye, there's a bunch of superhero games out there.

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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2015, 11:04:45 PM »


Not counting the last Saint's Row heh heh.

umm... I couldn't put my character from Saint Row on social media. I did horrible horrible things to him.....

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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2015, 02:17:39 AM »
Just my kneejerk reaction to the suggestion of refocusing, but for some reason the notion of CoH's "Real World Heroes" community efforts comes to mind. Wouldn't it be cool to expand things from the virtual world into our own a bit?

Mind you, this is coming from someone who is really only a tangential participant in the community (and mostly solo'ed in the game) and I have no idea what the interest level or logistics of trying to make things a more community/volunteer oriented website/organization/structure would take, but for the idea of going from playing heroes to "being" heroes- in some means- seems like a worthy venture to undertake. Perhaps connected to the "social networking" idea that has been floated in this thread?

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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2015, 02:30:43 AM »
Just my kneejerk reaction to the suggestion of refocusing, but for some reason the notion of CoH's "Real World Heroes" community efforts comes to mind. Wouldn't it be cool to expand things from the virtual world into our own a bit?

Mind you, this is coming from someone who is really only a tangential participant in the community (and mostly solo'ed in the game) and I have no idea what the interest level or logistics of trying to make things a more community/volunteer oriented website/organization/structure would take, but for the idea of going from playing heroes to "being" heroes- in some means- seems like a worthy venture to undertake. Perhaps connected to the "social networking" idea that has been floated in this thread?

Oh hey, that's... a really good idea. A really REALLY good idea.
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2015, 04:22:42 AM »
If you wanted to keep Titan Network superhero-themed, you could have one section for Massively Multiplayer hero games, one for any sort of multiplayer/co-op superhero games, one for single player superhero games, and another section for superhero movies.  (Big Hero 6 was fantastic, by the way!)  People could post (spoiler-free) reviews or even sale info when one of the brick and mortars or online sellers puts any of those games or movies on sale.  Superhero movies in particular seem to be all the rage in both live-action and Disney/Pixar/Marvel animation.  I'll bet a forum section like that would blow up in no  time.  And how many of us are looking for family movies to take the kids to see, or looking for presents for same?  See what I mean?

Then maybe you could also have a larger "General MMO" section, too, so that people here could talk about the other MMOs they play like TOR, TSW, Tera, LoTRO, FFXIV, Everquest 2 etc.  If there were life-changing patches coming (Elder Scrolls Online's major Thieves' Guild/Justice System launch a couple days ago combined with its switch to B2P come March 17th, and its new-gen console launches in June 2015 come to mind here), then whomever plays the game affected could comment on it. 

Open beta opinions on incoming MMOs or expansions could be talked about in that General MMO section, too.

And then that same section could also make room for the new crop of MMO hybrids like Destiny, Blizzard's Overwatch (which looks fun to me anyway) to get some mention, too.

Maybe this crazy crew might find a game or two to meet up in and post our progress on as we go.  We could even make Titan guilds!   ;D   Heck, I'm in the Heroes of the Storm beta right now with my daughter, and I can't wait for Overwatch.  That kind of a general MMO section could really take off.

Well, they're all ideas anyway.  Hopefully CoX will get rezzed and Atlas Park Revival will also come to be, but meantime, maybe we won't go as stir crazy if we can organize together better in game X, or at least tell others about games X, Y and Z without disrupting CoX threads.
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2015, 10:05:03 PM »
Just my kneejerk reaction to the suggestion of refocusing, but for some reason the notion of CoH's "Real World Heroes" community efforts comes to mind. Wouldn't it be cool to expand things from the virtual world into our own a bit?

Mind you, this is coming from someone who is really only a tangential participant in the community (and mostly solo'ed in the game) and I have no idea what the interest level or logistics of trying to make things a more community/volunteer oriented website/organization/structure would take, but for the idea of going from playing heroes to "being" heroes- in some means- seems like a worthy venture to undertake. Perhaps connected to the "social networking" idea that has been floated in this thread?

I am also more of a "tangential" participant, as I noted above, but something like this, if it were to become rather more engaging, would certainly help pull my interest back in a bit. When CoH was around, I didn't necessarily have a lot of money to donate. But now that I'm more inclined to donate (I mean, I still don't have $, but I've decided a few small bits here and there are good) I would be more liable to participate.

However, there are two issues, both stemming from a lack of participation.

Issue 1: By having the Real World Hero event tied specifically to a game that no longer exists, you don't get much participation, not only from people donating, but also from the boost in donations that word-of-mouth gives you. If you go to the website (http://realworldhero.com/) you can see that the 2013 drive brought in 9 donors (assuming no donors gave to multiple charities) and $185. Compared to the almost $30,000 it raised in its first three years.

Solution: Tie Real World Hero into any superhero MMO - perhaps any superhero game. This keeps the theme of "hero" relevant, as well as the group's origins in the gaming community (Obviously a charity need not be defined as or limited to "superhero gamers" but if you go too broad in scope, you just become United Way). Now, I did find a thread in the CO forums about the 2012 event, with no replies. So the solution is only as good as the people from other gaming communities let it be. To be sure, a concerted effort by the people that run RWH in the form of a media blitz, and really pushing knowledge of the charity, could help, but if we believe our own hype about the CoH community there may not be much support, even with an expanded scope. Even so, I think it's worth a shot.

Issue 2: Because the RWH charity was tied to a yearly donation drive, this limits the scope to a specific time frame, and to people that have money they are willing to donate. I understand that this is an issue any charity will face, but when you combine this with the limits of the first issue (being tied to a dead game) you get a charity event that is not going to draw much money or participation.

Solution Idea 1: Following the expansion of RWH's scope to any and all super powered games (MMO and otherwise), put out a call for people who want their worthy causes donated to. This could be someone from DCUO who works for a charity and asks for it to be part of RWH, or it could be someone who plays Arkham Asylum that got hit by a car and wants help with the bills. Regardless, community-suggested things are probably likely to gain more interest from people in that community. So you have monthly (or whatever interval) drives, rotating among communities. So ideally, you get people from CO donating a bit more when the CO cause comes up, and DCUO people donating when the DCUO issue comes up - and then the high rollers donating a little bit for every cause, regardless of originating community. More participation, more people, more money for charity.

Solution Idea 2 (This is a grand idea and I think it's super keen): Hopefully RWH gets up and running as a source of charitable donations again. But even if it doesn't, I think there's a real good potential for a community of actual "Real World Heroes" - people who dress up as heroes for charitable events and causes. I did some Googling, and there's not a lot out there, as far as large, pan-community groups (I found a DC specific one (http://justiceleaguehq.com/) and a national running event, which is just a one-time thing in the cities it visits (http://thesuperrun.com/)).

So here's my thinking: using the existing Real World Hero page, we gather groups of like-minded volunteers across the nation / world, and help them create groups of charitable costumed crusaders, appearing at various events or places to help raise money / spread inspiration for those events. Additionally, we would ideally expand from appearances by volunteer fans to helping coordinate charity appearances from actors who portray heroes in movies / tv shows. Simple google searches involving the words "charity" and "hero" tend to bring up the Chris Pratt / Chris Evans events; this is the sort of thing I'm thinking of - not just from celebrities, but also from the volunteers.

Now, if you look at the Justice League HQ page, and their flagship group JL Arizona, you can see that they're (ostensibly) DC-only, and the national group is not even necessarily charity-only. Their charter is based on the 501st Legion charter, which makes a certain amount of sense - it provides structure, and membership requirements, and a certain standard of costuming. I envision a group with similar activity and quality requirements, that focuses solely on charity events and appearances by any superhero. This would be best done through local member groups, overseen by national organizers, but could also have an "All-Star" squad that participates in the form of a non-profit, going throughout the country to appear at events.

So not only would you have regular charitable donations, in the form of money or super-hero toys, but you would also have literal "Real World Heroes" going around supporting worthy causes.




Of course, all of this is just be spit-balling ideas. I don't know who's in charge of the Real World Hero site, or if they would want to expand from being a CoH charity drive to something with an expanded scope. Additionally, because RWH is already a separate site, I wonder how much it would actually be incorporated into the Titan Network.
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2015, 09:12:26 PM »
I'd say changing the focus of the forums to a place where former CoH players to continue to connect and talk about the various games that they are playing now. Or anything else they're doing.

Which is kinda what it's already become at this point.
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2015, 02:47:10 PM »
More concrete news will start trickling out of the successor projects any time now. You're getting restless right before the Golden Age, Tony. And if you're not patient, you'll wander off, and try to be all of these things that TN isn't. (Ever hear of Stratics? No? Well, I guess that's why history tends to repeat itself.)

Or don't be patient. Get started now. The successor projects already post news updates all the time, all three of them. Not to mention tidbits that devs drop on their respective forums. So where's the TN lore wikis? Where's the TN news page? If you've got the energy, momentum, dedication to build the next generic MMO community news site, surely you've got what it takes to build a dedicated community site and hype machine around our community's three games as they work toward launching?

But I don't know. Every comment above seems to be saying, yeah, go get into other things. Move on. OK. Do that. Makes me sad, but I'll admit, I'm that guy who turns out the lights. Maybe that's a hangup. Good luck in your adventures, man.

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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2015, 07:23:10 PM »
As someone else said, why not re-open the Plan Z forums, under a new name?  If there were any one place to talk about all the various Spiritual Successors, why not make this that place?  Put them right under the current City of Heroes board, rather than buried near the bottom.

Maybe you could also work with the various development teams to get information about mechanics, and have equivalents of City of Data and Mids all ready to go for each of the games as they launch.  I'd love to see how they're working out mechanics for the various successors, especially to try to avoid the pitfalls of spaghetti code that CoH fell into.  (Though I suspect eventual spaghetti code is inevitable, especially if the games are running and still around in ten years, which I hope they are)

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« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2015, 03:45:56 AM »
Make a new section of the site and have it be news on anything superhero based.

Comics, movies, games and even events like various conventions.

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« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2015, 11:20:21 AM »
More concrete news will start trickling out of the successor projects any time now. You're getting restless right before the Golden Age, Tony. And if you're not patient, you'll wander off, and try to be all of these things that TN isn't. (Ever hear of Stratics? No? Well, I guess that's why history tends to repeat itself.)

Or don't be patient. Get started now. The successor projects already post news updates all the time, all three of them. Not to mention tidbits that devs drop on their respective forums. So where's the TN lore wikis? Where's the TN news page? If you've got the energy, momentum, dedication to build the next generic MMO community news site, surely you've got what it takes to build a dedicated community site and hype machine around our community's three games as they work toward launching?

But I don't know. Every comment above seems to be saying, yeah, go get into other things. Move on. OK. Do that. Makes me sad, but I'll admit, I'm that guy who turns out the lights. Maybe that's a hangup. Good luck in your adventures, man.

Captain, it seems like your taking the post as giving up. I myself took it as expanding. Which way to expand (right, left, forward or backward) is what I felt we was talking about.

I personally think it's a good idea, I mean I play more than one game and you better believe when/if COH comes back. It'll be my primary one but I will play many more as well.

So why not expand the community here out ward in more directions? The only concern I have. With anything more than the forums is will Tony and team have the energy to run the expansion?

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« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2015, 02:32:33 PM »
As someone else said, why not re-open the Plan Z forums, under a new name?  If there were any one place to talk about all the various Spiritual Successors, why not make this that place?  Put them right under the current City of Heroes board, rather than buried near the bottom.

Maybe you could also work with the various development teams to get information about mechanics, and have equivalents of City of Data and Mids all ready to go for each of the games as they launch.  I'd love to see how they're working out mechanics for the various successors, especially to try to avoid the pitfalls of spaghetti code that CoH fell into.  (Though I suspect eventual spaghetti code is inevitable, especially if the games are running and still around in ten years, which I hope they are)

Spaghetti code... yep, been there done that. just making all the necessary features can end up generating spaghetti code.

However Mids/ City of Data would just need calculations, When project bane goes live I don't see why I wouldn't release the statistical info and calcs saves people the trouble trying to figure them out themselves. "lets see how many more buttons do I have to press to get enough XP to get to the next level?" I've been there several times... or "how much def do I need to tank this boss?"
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Re: So... Where to from here?
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2015, 03:01:19 PM »
As someone else said, why not re-open the Plan Z forums, under a new name?  If there were any one place to talk about all the various Spiritual Successors, why not make this that place?  Put them right under the current City of Heroes board, rather than buried near the bottom.

Maybe you could also work with the various development teams to get information about mechanics, and have equivalents of City of Data and Mids all ready to go for each of the games as they launch.  I'd love to see how they're working out mechanics for the various successors, especially to try to avoid the pitfalls of spaghetti code that CoH fell into.  (Though I suspect eventual spaghetti code is inevitable, especially if the games are running and still around in ten years, which I hope they are)

I think re-opening the Plan Z forums is a good idea in general.  Closing those forums, while well-intended to boost those initiatives), further fractured the remaining fan base. 

Generally speaking though, Titan was born from City of Heroes with the express purpose of delivering tools to fill voids and managing content around it (at least that's how I saw it).  With the passing of CoX, naturally that purpose and the passion wane as well.  The question for you, Tony and team, is, what are you passionate about and enjoying now?  If you're digging champions online or some other game, then simply expanding the Titan Network with more focus on that game should be where you go if you so desire and leave ParagonWiki, CIT, CoHFaces a part of TN (although perhaps with slight branding for differentiation from the new content).  If you guys are crazy on board with all of the Plan Z stuff, then integrating the successors into dedicated pockets of Titan Network could begin (e.g. Valiance Online is furthest along, how do you integrate that with possible character builder, etc.).
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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2015, 03:03:58 AM »
Hi all, so I just wanted to touch base again here since it's been a couple of weeks and I've been pondering a bit more on the subject.

First and foremost, thank you very much for the great responses!  I've been reading them all and really taking some of them to heart.  I'm really glad that we still have folks here who are so vested in seeing us continue and stay relevant!  :)

Second of all, regarding Plan Z, the primary reason we closed those forums is to give each of those projects the chance that they need to host their own communities.  While I don't mind people talking about the successor projects here, what I wanted to avoid was a situation where each of their respective community leaders had to maintain both a presence here and on their own forums to stay in touch with their communities, or worse, where someone either has topics forked both there and here or, worst of all, where someone mistakes the Titan Network as being the official community site for one of the successor projects.  I've actually gotten a few PMs and emails from people commenting on successor projects, obviously thinking that I was directly responsible for one or more of them.  I just mostly wanted to clear that up.  Plus, it really wasn't fair to them, having to compete with the Titan Network in engaging their players and fans.

Third of all, while I haven't ruled out any of the original thoughts, I have come up with an interesting side project that I'd like to explore a bit further.  Nothing may come of it, or some day it might be all the rage, I don't know.  But it's an idea that I've been knocking around in my noggin' for a while now, and for the past couple of weeks, I've been trying to get it from "I have vague, nebulous notions about something that might be cool" to "here's a concrete description of what I had in mind, including all of the rules and mechanics."  I'm not at the point where I want to talk about it publicly yet, because it might turn into a really dumb idea, or I might get so slammed with work or something that I can't follow up in a timely manner, but I just mainly want everyone to not think I'm sitting around on my thumbs.

Anyway, that's about it for the update.  By all means, keep posting and I'll keep reading, and I'll try to let everyone know if my little side project idea comes to the point of fruition where it's worth mentioning--that is, where I think it might actually have an honest chance of existing someday.

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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2015, 10:52:57 AM »
If you ever want to open up a community news/hype machine surrounding the successor projects, APR (and maybe SCoRE), and other spandex-laden MMOs, I'd love to contribute. I have the energy but not the time to organize a project like that and cat-herd staff, but I really feel like the idea is RIGHT THERE, staring our community in the face, while we've thrown ideas around for General Gaming Site #143,873. If it wasn't clear, that's what motivated my frustrated post: given the chance to really support the rise of a golden age for the genre, it kind of feels like people would rather do anything else. Which is a very Twilight Zone thing for me to see, after the last few years. I suspect a site like that would involve much more than just forums (i.e. a wiki and a news page with contributing writers), so I won't blame anybody if they don't have time either; but it's frustrating to watch people Just Not Care for the idea. No one else is doing it that I know of; is there a better community than this for it?