The Flash! (spoilers probably eventually)

Vee · April 28, 2015, 07:47:14 PM

Just looked at her imdb. so in addition to gideon, black canary and doc thompkins on gotham she's evidently copycat in the deadpool movie. she must be going for fanboi superstardom.

Kaos Arcanna · April 29, 2015, 01:45:51 AM

Spoiler for Hidden:

Super Firebug · April 29, 2015, 02:10:27 AM

The series has been great so far, with most episodes seeming to be too short (a sign of an engrossing show), but tonight's episode was one of the fastest hours of television I've ever watched. It seemed like less than a half-hour in, when I looked at the clock and saw that there were only eight minutes left.

Waiting a week between episodes is bad enough; I'm not looking forward to the inter-season break.

doc7924 · April 29, 2015, 03:09:28 AM

Well the jig is up!

I don't get Well's motives though. He has the newspaper on file to make sure the future isn't changed yet he has already changed the future by killing the real Wells and his wife 15 years too early and made the accident happen many years sooner to create the Flash.

He cant really kill Iris since she is part of the future he is trying to protect.

He cant kill Eddie for obvious reasons.

I hope they explain why he hates Barry so much. Assuming Well's is from the 25th Century like the comics, he must have travelled back to 2014 for some reason and fought the Flash.

Now the Flash that fights him 15 years ago - is that OUR Barry from 2015 or the Barry from 2024? I have a feeling the next time we see that night we will see 3 Flashes - the two from the original and our Barry from 2015 that tries to help.

CG · April 29, 2015, 01:03:38 PM

I get the impression that time in Flash is a little "timey-wimey" and that as long as events happen reasonably close to when they were supposed to, that the timeline will stay intact. I'm not sure that Eobard is a descendant of Eddie or just a relation.

There's still the question of why Eobard is travelling back from the 25th century in the first place. Barry won't live that long and the timeline Eobard lives in will be well established. My suspicion is that Barry somehow goes to the 25th Century and messes up Eobard's life, so Eobard comes back to take care of Barry. I'm sure they'll cover Eobard's movites in the future (/rimshot).

However, Barry needs to be around in 2024 to complete his job in the "Crisis" so the future timeline will remain intact. After that, Eobard should be free to kill Barry? But Barry disappears in a flash of light. Ohhh... I wonder if Barry runs so fast in the Crisis that he goes forward in time! He messes with Eobard then they both go back to Barry's origin where episode 1 happens.

I still want to know what happens to the Barry that fought Eobard in the Allen family home.

hurple · April 29, 2015, 01:56:17 PM

Quote from: CG on April 29, 2015, 01:03:38 PM
I get the impression that time in Flash is a little "timey-wimey" and that as long as events happen reasonably close to when they were supposed to, that the timeline will stay intact. I'm not sure that Eobard is a descendant of Eddie or just a relation.

There's still the question of why Eobard is travelling back from the 25th century in the first place. Barry won't live that long and the timeline Eobard lives in will be well established. My suspicion is that Barry somehow goes to the 25th Century and messes up Eobard's life, so Eobard comes back to take care of Barry. I'm sure they'll cover Eobard's movites in the future (/rimshot).

However, Barry needs to be around in 2024 to complete his job in the "Crisis" so the future timeline will remain intact. After that, Eobard should be free to kill Barry? But Barry disappears in a flash of light. Ohhh... I wonder if Barry runs so fast in the Crisis that he goes forward in time! He messes with Eobard then they both go back to Barry's origin where episode 1 happens.

I still want to know what happens to the Barry that fought Eobard in the Allen family home.

Well, if they follow the comics... pick your origin...

Current

Eobard longed for the heroic age of the 20th century. Foremost among the super-heroes, in his mind, was Barry Allen, the second Flash. He worshipped him as a hero and as a friend. He knew everything about Barry, keeping a collection of memorabilia about his hero. At the center was Barry's biography, The Life Story of the Flash by Iris Allen. Barry's life became as real to Eobard as did his own. He underwent a Plastomorph operation to make himself look like Barry. One day, he came across Barry's cosmic treadmill in an antique store. He killed the cashier in order to acquire this Holy Grail of Flash collectibles. Now, Eobard had the means to meet his idol. All he had to do then was to somehow duplicate the reaction that gave Barry his superspeed. The ordeal cost him his fortune and shaved years off his life, but he knew that he now had the chance to become Barry's friend and partner. Grabbing the biography for an autograph, Eobard set off to the 20th century on the treadmill.

However, the treadmill's calibration had been affected by the centuries of not being used. It miscalculated his arrival, and Eobard appeared several years after Barry's death, when Wally West was the Flash. His journey had been pointless, or so he thought. Eobard visited the Flash Museum. There, he learned that he was destined to become the Flash's greatest villain: Professor Zoom.

This drove Eobard mad. He began to honestly believe he was Barry Allen. He showed up at Wally's door on Christmas Eve dressed as Barry. For several months, he patrolled the streets of Central and Keystone Cities with Wally as the Flash. Everything went well and everyone was happy until he began to go mad again. During one battle with the Combine, a Combine agent started to brag that he had killed the Flash after blasting Wally with a cannon. Eobard began to beat him up, saying, "I'm the Flash!" This is when Wally realized that something was wrong, that he was not Barry.

After leaving Wally to die in a Combine trap, Thawne began to completely turn around, fighting Green Lantern, Jay Garrick, Max Mercury, and Johnny Quick. Finally, after finding the biography that Eobard had brought with him in an alley, Wally deduced the villain's true identity. In a showdown at the Flash Museum, Thawne switched to the predominantly yellow costume of his future self, Professor Zoom. Finally, Wally managed to trick Zoom into returning to his own era on the cosmic treadmill. Now powerless, Thawne retained no memories of this journey — but he was left with a deep and bitter hatred for Barry Allen.

Silver Age

Thawne began a career as a criminal in his home era. The police department and his fellow crooks knew him as the "Professor" due to his scientific leanings. The Flash remained one of his favorite characters of history, but now he hated him because the hero stood for law and justice and he stood for the reverse.

One day in 2463, a time capsule materialized out of the air. Inside were many relics from the 20th century, including a genuine costume used by the Flash. He amplified the super-speed wave patterns contained in the suit using a simple 25th century technique, giving him super-speed when he put in on. He dyed the costume the reverse in color of its original hues. Naming himself Professor Zoom, he decided to become the greatest criminal in human history. His first crime was to steal the famous Cribi sculptures. However, Barry Allen, on a rescue mission to destroy an atomic clock that was also in the time capsule and had become an atomic bomb during time travel, stopped Zoom.

Vee · April 29, 2015, 08:02:46 PM

Spoiler for Hidden:

Super Firebug · May 03, 2015, 07:23:08 AM

I'm hoping that they can find a way to keep Tom Cavanaugh on as Dr. Wells himself, once they've dealt with the Reverse Flash. When he's not being evil, I like him, and I'd like him to stay on the team.

doc7924 · May 03, 2015, 11:12:34 AM

Quote from: Super Firebug on May 03, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
I'm hoping that they can find a way to keep Tom Cavanaugh on as Dr. Wells himself, once they've dealt with the Reverse Flash. When he's not being evil, I like him, and I'd like him to stay on the team.

One of two things could happen - Barry changes the timeline and stops Thawne killing him or he also absorbed Well's memories and personality and somehow Thawne gets suppressed and Well's takes over the body and mind.

Super Firebug · May 04, 2015, 06:26:45 AM

Quote from: doc7924 on May 03, 2015, 11:12:34 AM
One of two things could happen - Barry changes the timeline and stops Thawne killing him or he also absorbed Well's memories and personality and somehow Thawne gets suppressed and Well's takes over the body and mind.

One trouble with the first possibility is that the real Wells would then have to get the particle accelerator up and exploding on Thawne's timetable in order to preserve this alternate timeline, with our younger Flash, that Thawne ended up creating.

doc7924 · May 04, 2015, 01:00:35 PM

Quote from: Super Firebug on May 04, 2015, 06:26:45 AM
One trouble with the first possibility is that the real Wells would then have to get the particle accelerator up and exploding on Thawne's timetable in order to preserve this alternate timeline, with our younger Flash, that Thawne ended up creating.

Well (sorry), if they do what I think they will do - a Flashpoint-like story, then Barry would remember the 'real' timeline and convince Wells to build it sooner and make it explode on purpose, much like in the comic where Barry had Batman help him recreate his powers.

My gut tells me all this time travel stuff is leasing up to just that.
I could be wrong of course but would make a great season cliffhanger.

Super Firebug · May 05, 2015, 08:43:02 PM

Okay, have we all remembered to have bananas on hand for tonight's Grodd episode? :) I finally found a ripe-enough one after going to two stores. I hate it when I want a banana now, and they're all as green as Ireland in spring.

doc7924 · May 05, 2015, 08:54:44 PM

Quote from: Super Firebug on May 05, 2015, 08:43:02 PM
Okay, have we all remembered to have bananas on hand for tonight's Grodd episode? :) I finally found a ripe-enough one after going to two stores. I hate it when I want a banana now, and they're all as green as Ireland in spring.

Reading this all I could think of was "Escape From the Planet of the Apes" when they try to get Zira an Cornelius to get the banana hanging over them, and then alter when they alone talk about insulting that was.

I am still hoping they finally explain why Thawne hates Barry so much in the future.

Super Firebug · May 05, 2015, 09:43:07 PM

Quote from: doc7924 on May 05, 2015, 08:54:44 PM
Reading this all I could think of was "Escape From the Planet of the Apes" when they try to get Zira an Cornelius to get the banana hanging over them, and then alter when they alone talk about insulting that was.

Are you saying that I'm species-ist? ;)
Actually, I was remembering the first Grodd appearance on Justice League, when he said that he hates bananas.

doc7924 · May 06, 2015, 01:41:42 AM

Quote from: Super Firebug on May 05, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Are you saying that I'm species-ist? ;)
Actually, I was remembering the first Grodd appearance on Justice League, when he said that he hates bananas.

I was SO hoping someone would say "Kneel before Grodd!"

CG · May 06, 2015, 02:27:34 AM

Iris is a sanctimonious, hippocritical twit.

JanessaVR · May 06, 2015, 03:09:32 AM

Quote from: CG on May 06, 2015, 02:27:34 AM
Iris is a sanctimonious, hippocritical twit.

I've been saying that for several episodes now. Alas - she keeps surviving. Isn't this city teeming with superpowered villains? Sigh...where's Captain Mako when you need him...

doc7924 · May 06, 2015, 03:11:19 AM

Quote from: JanessaVR on May 06, 2015, 03:09:32 AM
I've been saying that for several episodes now. Alas - she keeps surviving. Isn't this city teeming with superpowered villains? Sigh...where's Captain Mako when you need him...

Still she's better then the Iris West in the 1990 show. I think she lasted maybe 2 episodes before being written out.

Nos482 · May 06, 2015, 03:59:07 PM

Quote from: Super Firebug on May 05, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
Actually, I was remembering the first Grodd appearance on Justice League, when he said that he hates bananas.

He still does... ;D

Vee · May 06, 2015, 07:12:54 PM

I'm wondering if the banana thing was intended as a police profiling joke or if i just took it that way.

Really disappointed with Grodd. No reason whatsoever to have him be monosyllabic. Brandy snifter or GTFO.

And are we supposed to believe that the cutting edge scientific facility with all the expensive high tech equipment, the illegally detained metahumans and the super hero who just can't stand to keep his mask on has no security whatsoever? They can't even lock a door?