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Graveyard => Save Paragon Retirees => Save Paragon City! => Topic started by: Captain Electric on April 13, 2013, 08:27:05 AM
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Hey, this is the only "Call to Action" I've ever made, and I'm keepin' it real easy. Besides, we haven't had a good old-fashioned flash mob since Atlas Park 33. And I know just the perfect spot on the Internet.
Humor me and while you're at it, let's bring some non-aggressive, non-rude CoH support to the negativity-fest that has overtaken the comment section below Elliot's article on Massively.
Simply Click here (http://fyre.it/U2vnP8.4) and click "Like" on my simple, unassuming "Call Jack" comment. That's all, folks.
Two clicks is all I need. From all of you.
(You may have to wait a moment for the comments to load up, after which your browser will automatically scroll down to my comment.)
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Also please pass this around to any other forums and friends you want, anyone who loved City of Heroes.
Just ask 'em to click! Easiest Call to Action ever!
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I've done so. Also voted up on all of Quinch's posts.
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I've signed up and 'liked'......
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I clicked liked,too.
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So who is Evil1? He is obviously a City of Heroes hater.
He has zero interest in being anything but a Unicorn.
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And done. Plus I read down a ways and liked a few other comments too.
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So who is Evil1? He is obviously a City of Heroes hater.
He has zero interest in being anything but a Unicorn.
And let's not give them any bread to feed on.
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So who is Evil1? He is obviously a City of Heroes hater.
He has zero interest in being anything but a Unicorn.
He is aptly named, doncha think? Sort of like the opposite of Hero-1.
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He is aptly named, doncha think? Sort of like the opposite of Hero-1.
So if Hero-1 was in CO his nemesis would be Evil1?
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Done.
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So who is Evil1? He is obviously a City of Heroes hater.
There was a lot of tl;dr for my tastes but I managed to discover Evil1 = Evil_Legacy from the forums. That's all I really needed to know. There's no reasoning with said individual ... they have a very ... unique view on emotions as a whole...
A pretty constant source of trouble from what I recall. Had some flame wars going with quite a few ppl, over a variety of topics. *shrugs*
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Now that's more like it. Quiet, makes a point, doesn't involve bombarding innocent people with emails.
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There was a lot of tl;dr for my tastes but I managed to discover Evil1 = Evil_Legacy from the forums. That's all I really needed to know. There's no reasoning with said individual ... they have a very ... unique view on emotions as a whole...
A pretty constant source of trouble from what I recall. Had some flame wars going with quite a few ppl, over a variety of topics. *shrugs*
Oh right. That explains it. Not sure why I didn't put two and two together. But yeah I know her very well. I'm the one that got her into COX. Seems like I created a monster though. :-\. Well without going into too much detail, I been telling her about this game for a year before she finally played it. I thought maybe it would help get over her general disdain for the human species (as she call it).
Remember all this comes from years of knowing her so I kind of know the workings. People online dont know here from the next person or by now think she is merely a standard troll. I dont think that assessment is too far off and looking at her posts, "Well no pancake, Sherlock, why people think that is a troll."
How I deal? I have a lot of patience and even more so in real life with all sort of people. There is wheel chair bound lady that seems to always be stranded but each time no thinking any less of her, I stop what I doing, car still parked at the gas pump and push her two blocks down to the bus station that she wanted to go to. There is this guy I give substantial amount of money to each time I pass him but it seems like for the past three years his situation haven't change, but I dont know the root so I do the kind thing. A felon I knew, I gave him a place to stay, food to eat, and treated him as my equal, a person that never even been arrested before. When most people didnt want anything to do with him. Unfortunately the streets were calling his name too loud and he couldn't resist now he's facing 10 years. But still he still say I was the only true friend he ever had and that even his own family never gave a pancake about him. That is what feeds me hope in this world, giving other people hope.
I dont think E. ever had that before she met me. Everything in her life was about reality, you live you die that's it, business mindset. Everything from school where only thing that mattered to her parents was grades. That was success. College, the type of school, and how many degrees, that is success. How much money you make, that is success. Actions that produces Results=Success. Everything else is merely entertainment and way to kill time nothing to get emotionally attached, including most people outside her friends but I dont think she will attend a funeral or cry over it. Her view of death is that "everyone knows it coming so why get upset when something you knew was coming actually arrives?" I used the word disdain earlier. That may be an overstatement. It might be that she just dont understand other humans and or society. I think I failed to realize that introducing her to a world where you have all types from all over the world in a large social setting, was a bit too much too fast. It seemed that she enjoyed the game but I'm not sure about the social aspect.
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There was a lot of tl;dr for my tastes but I managed to discover Evil1 = Evil_Legacy from the forums. That's all I really needed to know. There's no reasoning with said individual ... they have a very ... unique view on emotions as a whole...
A pretty constant source of trouble from what I recall. Had some flame wars going with quite a few ppl, over a variety of topics. *shrugs*
I'm trying to remember the official forum brats. I thought Evil_Legacy had issues with sentence structure/grammar/punctuation and using the wrong words for things, along with the terrible attitude and stubbornness and etc.? Evil1 doesn't have that issue. Or am I misremembering my unicorns?
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I'm trying to remember the official forum brats. I thought Evil_Legacy had issues with sentence structure/grammar/punctuation and using the wrong words for things, along with the terrible attitude and stubbornness and etc.? Evil1 doesn't have that issue. Or am I misremembering my unicorns?
Same person. Better spelling. I remember reading their stuff and, well, basically the 3rd paragraph in Jaguar's post pretty much sums it up.
Wasn't a terrible attitude per se IMO, it was the mere fact that they didn't get humanity and emotions. Emotions made no sense. S/he can't seem to process them ... so anyone emotional about almost anything was somehow irrational.
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So, like an evil Roseanne Rosanadana? ;D
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So, like an evil Roseanne Rosanadana? ;D
eh?
I'm thinking more like an argumentative Data. Whereas Data would try to understand human emotions, and even attempt to learn and emulate them, EL would argue against it at every turn... Then there were the arguments around her spelling/grammar/wall of text/etc.
But, long story short, that's who that is.
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eh?
I'm thinking more like an argumentative Data. Then there were the arguments around her spelling/grammar/wall of text/etc.
But, long story short, that's who that is.
She reminds me of that woman off that Prometheus movie. Vickers I think her name was.
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She reminds me of that woman off that Prometheus movie. Vickers I think her name was.
Never saw ... do I lose points nao >.>
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Never saw ... do I lose points nao >.>
Nah. I have no idea who Data is.
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Jack Emmert already said that he, Cryptic, and/or PWI have no interest in buying the CoH IP. This was on one of their official forums recently. There are links to the direct quotes here within these forums somewhere, too.
I don't think he wants to be bothered about it anymore, either.
I'm sure part of him feels badly that CoH went down, but that's where it ends.
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Jack Emmert already said that he, Cryptic, and/or PWI have no interest in buying the CoH IP. This was on one of their official forums recently. There are links to the direct quotes here within these forums somewhere, too.
I don't think he wants to be bothered about it anymore, either.
I'm sure part of him feels badly that CoH went down, but that's where it ends.
Yeah.
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Actually, IIRC, the forum comment in question stated that IF NC$oft called him, he'd be interested.
Correct, Cryptic/PWE aren't interested. And does this mean a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things? Probably not. The "angle" of reference is that NC$oft certainly didn't "exhaust all avenues" and they're certainly continuing to ignore avenues now.
Will Jack chase them down? No. If they call him, would he be interested? Yes. Long shot to the moon though it may be.
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Nah. I have no idea who Data is.
o.o Star Trek the Next Generation!
Okay ... in fairness, I will not deduct points either ... o.o
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I thought the takeaway was the panel of industry big-wigs, including the guy who runs the studio maintaining EverQuest (!), all completely baffled by the closure.
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I thought the takeaway was the panel of industry big-wigs, including the guy who runs the studio maintaining EverQuest (!), all completely baffled by the closure.
That too.
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o.o Star Trek the Next Generation!
Okay ... in fairness, I will not deduct points either ... o.o
Ah. Never watched Star Trek. Not into Sci Fi much outside the Alien series.
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Jack Emmert already said that he, Cryptic, and/or PWI have no interest in buying the CoH IP. This was on one of their official forums recently. There are links to the direct quotes here within these forums somewhere, too.
I don't think he wants to be bothered about it anymore, either.
I'm sure part of him feels badly that CoH went down, but that's where it ends.
What I took away from the comment is that they have no plans to buy CoH IP, which makes perfect sense as any such plans are contingent on NCsoft's own interest in selling - putting the cart before the horse and all that. Thus, while Emmert would be interested in buying {I think TonyV got a reply? Or was it someone else? No time to dig up the post}, the ball is still very much in NCsoft's court as to whether a sale could happen in the first place.
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What I took away from the comment is that they have no plans to buy CoH IP, which makes perfect sense as any such plans are contingent on NCsoft's own interest in selling - putting the cart before the horse and all that. Thus, while Emmert would be interested in buying {I think TonyV got a reply? Or was it someone else? No time to dig up the post}, the ball is still very much in NCsoft's court as to whether a sale could happen in the first place.
This ...
Basically, no matter which way we slice it, all depends on getting NC$oft 'to the table.'
We've learned that the studio tried to buy it. We've learned that Jack would at least have a listening ear. We've learned of how many confirmed publishers of interest? What's the common denominator here? NC$oft.
Exhausted all avenues my ...
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This is my response to Evil1/Evil_Legacy.
Not going to respond to anything you're spewing because it's obvious that no matter how much your OCD compels you to tick off the boxes and do your absolute best to sound logical, the simple fact of the matter is that you are FAR more obsessive about City of Heroes that anyone writing in support of it.
How can I tell this?
Simple numbers.
Count up all the words by proportion of any poster here.
You alone account for a much bigger percentage by far of words typed and posted in arguing your point of view than anyone else here.
Not even Quinch puts out as much verbage as you.
So - WHO exactly is the obsessive one here?
I simply cannot take someone seriously when they are exhibiting the EXACT same behavior that they are railing against others for.
I'd tell you to take your own "advice" and move on. But I doubt you'd listen to me.
In any case. That's all I have to say.
Peace out.
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Basically, no matter which way we slice it, all depends on getting NC$oft 'to the table.' We've learned that the studio tried to buy it. We've learned that Jack would at least have a listening ear. We've learned of how many confirmed publishers of interest? What's the common denominator here? NC$oft.
Well, we've surmised that the studio tried to buy it. Jack's comment seemed to indicate that the ball was in NCSoft's court, but that's not the same thing as him definitively saying that Cryptic studios ever formally reached out. What we have is an educated guess--not the same thing as knowing.
(If you're talking about Cryptic--just realized you could be talking about Paragon, who did try.)
Also, a note about Evil1/Evil_Legacy. I'm going to give credit where it's due--she never wanted to see City of Heroes close; and she'd be all for someone bringing it back. She didn't have a problem with people trying to do that. She was even one of the tiny group of people who were motivated enough to answer the Call to Action in the OP.
She specifically had a problem with Tony and some of the stronger personalities who were organizing under Tony. She was under the same impression that a handful of people are--that slight disagreements will see one ostracized. Or at least marginalized more than some personalities will be comfortable with.
When you have a huge group of people organizing around a simple goal with a complicated (or unknowable) series of victory conditions, they MUST be able to defer to leadership. No matter what. That's what being organized is. There will always be a group of people in this world who can't defer amid slight disagreements. I think many of us have entered and exited that group in small ways, but Evil_Legacy is an extreme example [and extremely happy member] of that group; and this is the entire plot of the volume of novels she's written within her posts.
I see a lot of people in those comments trying to "scrub spots off a leopard", as it were.
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Well, we've surmised that the studio tried to buy it.
Learned. Check the Gamasutra article thread :)
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Learned. Check the Gamasutra article thread :)
Someone didn't read the whole post before hitting Reply. ;D :P
(Second paragraph, ma'am.)
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..would anyone like to make me a cup of coffee? I clearly need one.
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So who is Evil1? He is obviously a City of Heroes hater.
He has zero interest in being anything but a Unicorn.
A troll doing all he can to stir up trouble. And hes so good at it, he's escaped the mod hammer.
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There was a lot of tl;dr for my tastes but I managed to discover Evil1 = Evil_Legacy from the forums. That's all I really needed to know. There's no reasoning with said individual ... they have a very ... unique view on emotions as a whole...
A pretty constant source of trouble from what I recall. Had some flame wars going with quite a few ppl, over a variety of topics. *shrugs*
OH, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..........................*****************
OK, that explains it. Is just being an *** a qualifier for being "evil"? Uh, no.
"Why won't all of you just shut up and accept that your world is being nuked out of existance? Its they only logical thing to do. Here, take this cyanide pill. End your life. You didnt protest over Auto Assault being nuked, you have nothing to say now. Go gently into that good night - just because I said so."
*bitchslap*
Also, a note about Evil1/Evil_Legacy. I'm going to give credit where it's due--she never wanted to see City of Heroes close; and she'd be all for someone bringing it back
Oh yes, she DID want it dead. And was taking pleasure in the prospect.
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Also, a note about Evil1/Evil_Legacy. I'm going to give credit where it's due--she never wanted to see City of Heroes close; and she'd be all for someone bringing it back. She didn't have a problem with people trying to do that. She was even one of the tiny group of people who were motivated enough to answer the Call to Action in the OP.
She specifically had a problem with Tony and some of the stronger personalities who were organizing under Tony. She was under the same impression that a handful of people are--that slight disagreements will see one ostracized. Or at least marginalized more than some personalities will be comfortable with.
Wasn't EL (and keep in mind, I don't have an issue with atheism as an outlook on life) one of those folks who took the 'atheist extremist' standpoint and then started treating SaveCoH as a religious cult? As in believing in a deity = believing in a fairy-tale = having hope... for ANYTHING that has a low probability = you're an idiot and Darwin should remove you from the Earth?
I mentioned this in another thread, ironically just before Evil1 started spewing stuff... that in the past 6 months, I've been seeing this trend building where hope for ANYTHING 'unlikely' (e.g. world peace) is looked at no differently than worship of the 'Discworld turtle'. The anti-Titan crowd on the official NC forums even openly admitted that social ridicule (making fun of people for having such hope) was a justified tool for achieving behavioral change.
In other words: If someone is doing something you don't like, bully them until they stop. Which is funny, since this is what they were accusing Titan of doing.
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Wasn't EL (and keep in mind, I don't have an issue with atheism as an outlook on life) one of those folks who took the 'atheist extremist' standpoint and then started treating SaveCoH as a religious cult? As in believing in a deity = believing in a fairy-tale = having hope... for ANYTHING that has a low probability = you're an idiot and Darwin should remove you from the Earth?
I mentioned this in another thread, ironically just before Evil1 started spewing stuff... that in the past 6 months, I've been seeing this trend building where hope for ANYTHING 'unlikely' (e.g. world peace) is looked at no differently than worship of the 'Discworld turtle'. The anti-Titan crowd on the official NC forums even openly admitted that social ridicule (making fun of people for having such hope) was a justified tool for achieving behavioral change.
In other words: If someone is doing something you don't like, bully them until they stop. Which is funny, since this is what they were accusing Titan of doing.
Gah got carried away. No one have to read it all. Each paragraph mostly focus on a different point. Find a point that suits you and stick to it. Sorry.
1)-Basically I missed it on the old forum
2) It happened on both sides.
3) Someone must reach out towards the middle
4)Looking at it straight in the middle (at least trying to)
5)The days and misunderstanding
6)We must come together in this battle.
1: My sight yet I'm Blind-
I don't recall seeing anyone saying that about social bullying but probably missed it as it seems a lot of threads were getting nuked when hitstreak could keep up. And wouldn't doubt that stuff was said. Man, I still feel sorry for that guy having to put up with the stuff that went on in the final days.
2: Gunshots from both sides-
Although I didn't see anyone say that social bullying was the purpose I did see a bit of social bullying or attempt at it coming from both sides. That saddened me the most. It was like the community turned on each other and while accusing each side of using unsavory tactics neither side was using proper tactics and both crossed the line bit. Although one side more than another but in a neutral view, if one side was to accuse the side of using a tactic then they should make sure their side have not used the tactic at all. Even if one side only did it once and the other 4million times both sides still used the unsavory tactic.
3: Someone has to cease fire and hold out their hand for any chance of peace-
The point being especially at the time, no one is perfect, emotions were high but wished that both sides could have quieted down a bit and less focus on personal attacks and personal view of particular people and listened to each other like sane adults. That is an ideal dream in my head but now still I hope one day we can get past this personal anger at each other and those that hate Titan can let go of the hate and realize we all want coh back or a game of its like to play. I wish for the community back the way it was were the biggest arguments were about who pwned who and which build was better. I wish one day we all can look back at those crazy final months and laugh about it together in coh again. That is my dream.
4: It all cons Gray-
I think and not trying to be biased st all nor insult anyone but I think Titan as a whole have made strides towards reaching out. But in order for it to work it works both ways. Maybe they don't understand us. Maybe they feel everytime they express that "misunderstanding" they feel they get jumped on instead of someone trying to understand them. I think I just thought of a way I can help here. Maybe I can listen to what they have to say with no judgement at all of whether they are right or wrong and see what are the bare bones of what they want and see if they can help reach that goal and ours at the same time. Through all the nonsense it seems the most common factor is that we wish coh was here. The disagreement seems to be rooted in how about to do it or how much should be feelings vs pure facts and logic vs chance and hope vs long run endurance to stick with it. But the goal is the same in most cases. More dream hopefully I didn't cross into the tldr section. Just an abstract idea I thought I would run past y'all. If its dumb as hell feel free to tell me. No offense will be taken.
5:-Remember when...
If you notice 90% of disagreements start with a simple misunderstanding. I'm not sure about anyone else but even here, there have been times when I get carried away towards another person thinking they are coming at me wrong only to go back a couple of days later and say "dang I'm a fool. They wasnt trying to be mean, they were talking about the same stuff I was but in a different way." or "hmm now tha tI think about it, that is a good point. A different way of looking at it but very true." or even more often. "Dang only if I just shut up and listened instead of focusing on a come back I would have seen the point a long time ago and all of this butting of heads would have been deadened with a simple "Can you clarify?" instead of me jumping to conclusions like a noob." Those are true thoughts I had at times. Like I said a couple of times I'm not perfect in any manner and try to not pretend so. I'm just a normal dude with a normal life with a normal set of skills with a normal way of thinking with a normal life, although very enjoyable life I cant lie about that, but still the point is I'm human like anyone else. Although I try to remember that when other speak of course they may not share my perspective, over all they really cant because no two people go down the same life path and thus each view depending on what they seen heard experienced in the past will affect how they view things. Even sometimes I forget, maybe too much. Yet looking at those times I was a fool or rather exhibited foolish behavior it seems that it stemmed usually from some minor disagreement that just grew out of proportion. Now mind you it may be very well that some of them might be lost causes especially the more extreme ones like my friend over there at this point but I think maybe we could give them that choice instead of feeding into that hate with more hate towards them. Ok, hate is strong word too strong for this case, probably more like snark but I'm going to call it like I see it, some of those responses from people here did seem a bit purposely snarky. Not saying it wrong at all now, because outside looking at it, and if I didnt know her, hell I probably would have thought she was nuts and replied just as much if not worse than many of you there. But at the same time, I think with many destractors maybe including or excluding E., I think at least outside here we can try to understand the other side. Even if it's meant to be forever enemies, even then, always understand your enemies. When you do that, you can either make them your friend, or defeat them. But you cant befriend nor defeat an enemy with no understanding. :PUnless you just drop a nuke on them and call it a day :P But seeing how we have no nukes, we should understand them and their workign whether it's E. whether it's NCSoft whether it's some other nutcase that will shoot every last one of us if they seen us or osmeone on the fence or someone that want to join but think the crazy people run the joint (not true), or dont have no wish to join us but want COH just as bad. We can be powerful but the oldest tactic in the book is divide and conqour. As long as we remain divided the easier it is for us to defeat and face utter failure.
6: We are allies, brothers/sisters in arms. Let us not let simple differences divide us!-
If nothing is taken from this long ramble(followed by a long ramble ;D) it's this should be taken. We mostly all have one common goal or set of goals, get coh back, get them to sell IP, create a game to replace COH, show the industry we are not goign to take this crap, gain a place for the community that was like COH, destroy NCSoft etc. Most ex-COXers fit one of those goals and we have a place for them tocome together but we have to seem more welcoming and being drawn out by unicorns or E. into showing our bad side wont help. I read teh comments there and really although she is the most vocal she isnt the only one that isnt too keen on Titan. And also reading the comments, it would seem that most want COX back. Lets not let a measure hope hope stand in the way. Even if it has to be put in a way like, alright no hope you have of theg ame coming back? Ok that is ok but how about something you find reasonable you can do. How about writing or telling people about the closing and what happened. Or how about writing and sharing the good times that you did have? Or even if they have no hope for COH coming back maybe they have hope in the new projects and waiting to share what they like to see in a game. We know we have all of that here but we dont seem to remind people much that it's all here.
Too many "Well you dont have hope for the game returning? Then YOU move on then." True, they may not have hope for the game returning but that doesnt mean they hope for nothing. We have so many projects and so many things we are doing that they may be bound to find something they can put their hope or logic or contriubution into. But telling them in the manner like that quote or coming off as such dont help our cause and contribute to the view that "Well that ranting lunatic E. was right. If you dont have hope for everything, then I'm not welcomed there. I have no hope for the game coming back but I want to help out with the projects but I'm not going there if they just going to talk to me like that. Screw Titan."
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Wasn't EL (and keep in mind, I don't have an issue with atheism as an outlook on life) one of those folks who took the 'atheist extremist' standpoint and then started treating SaveCoH as a religious cult? As in believing in a deity = believing in a fairy-tale = having hope... for ANYTHING that has a low probability = you're an idiot and Darwin should remove you from the Earth?
Pretty much. We were all fools to be upset about the closure of the game. And she had endless time to tell us that.... again and again and again.
She was the Tokyo Rose of CoX. And I hate to hand out even such a title as that, because she deserves no title. Eternal scorn, yeah she does deserve that.
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Well she voted yes on my "Hey NCSoft, call Jack!!!" comment. She has said many times that she would play the game if it came back; however, she spends an exorbitant amount of time splitting hairs over what boils down to personalities and Internet drama. She is also rewarded for this.
I see great ideas and smart posters in places like that every day who get flat-out zero feedback. I wonder how Evil_Legacy elicits such a high degree of noise with such a low amount of signal.
This isn't just directed at you, Illusionss, but at Internet culture in general. Want to make the world a better place? Spend a tiny amount of energy every few days to compliment or add to a good idea you come across beneath an article or in a thread. Leave people like Evil alone. Has she said anything new lately anyway? Didn't think so.
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I see great ideas and smart posters in places like that every day who get flat-out zero feedback. I wonder how Evil_Legacy elicits such a high degree of noise with such a low amount of signal.
Ask reality show celebrities.
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Ask reality show celebrities.
Funny how that works. On those shows the craziest loudest ones are the highest paid while the one that try to be rational are usually kicked off after a few episodes or threatened with being kicked off if they don't turn their craziness up a notch for the camera.
But it seems that is the way society is going in all aspect of life. It's like microwaved. Loud, quick, now, instant over patience, taking ya time to enjoy, and quiet but wise. In order to spread knowledge sometime it's like you have to literally bash someone over the head before someone even looks up.