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Title: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mistress Urd on March 01, 2013, 11:30:05 PM
I'd certainly love to see CoH come back and I would most likely want to support anyone who decided to stick their neck out and reboot the servers. I was just wondering, what might be a dealbreaker to you coming back to CoH?

1. All player data being reset/lost. We all have to make new accounts and everything we bought, vet powers earned and characters made were lost. Starting over at level 1 with no characters. I would be annoyed but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.
2. No further developments or changes. Game in maintenance mode. (Issue 23) That is tough knowing the game will no longer evolve.
2a. No successor.
3. Radical changes to the game. Adding in or removal of "key" features. Fairly generic catagory but its possible if the game came back the powers to be decieded to add some new feature like open world pvp or say removed bases or inventions. This might be too generic but just a topic of things changed which might make me not want to come back.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Minotaur on March 01, 2013, 11:32:58 PM
NCSoft being involved in any way.

None of the other things would stop me at least playing casually other than compulsory open world PvP.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: houtex on March 02, 2013, 03:50:31 AM
I can live with CoH coming back, even if NCSoft is behind it.  But if NCSoft is behind it, I better damn well have all my information back too.  And I'd want an unbreakable guarandamntee that they will NEVER EVER pull the plug until it's proven there are 0 accounts left active for at least 2 months time.

That would certainly be acceptable.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Risha on March 02, 2013, 03:52:06 AM
I would come back no matter what.  Still damn-dreaming-at-night about COH
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: saipaman on March 02, 2013, 04:27:49 AM
Loosing my characters would be a big draw back for me.

That's 8 and half years of emotional investment out the window.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Lucretia MacEvil on March 02, 2013, 04:50:14 AM
In some ways, I think I may actually want to start all my characters over again.  I never got quite as much into RP as I wish I had, and starting over would give me a chance to do it "right", or to improve on previous characters that I didn't want to have to delete for some reason (I'm a bit of a hoarder, it seems).

On-topic, the community is what really made the game for me.

In real life, I don't really feel like part of a social group very often.  Even when I'm talking about human beings in general, I tend to say "they" or "people" instead of "we".  After the Save-the-Game campaign began, I noticed something; the CoX community is my "we".  I would give my dad updates on the situation, saying "we're gonna just keep playing until they shut the servers down" and "we have a petition going on-line" and stuff like that.

I want my "we" back.

That's all.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Aggelakis on March 02, 2013, 04:57:58 AM
I would be OK with almost anything aside from asinine stuff like open-world-PVP, that doesn't belong here.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: General Idiot on March 02, 2013, 06:32:50 AM
Honestly? Nothing would stop me. Characters can be remade, probably with different powersets than before. Bases can be rebuilt, MA arcs rewritten. Even NCSoft running it wouldn't stop me, because while starting the game up again wouldn't entirely redeem them for shutting it down in the first place it'd mark a genuinely good decision. And really, if they did start it up again and everyone went 'eeeew, NCSoft!' and didn't go for it they'd just shut it down a second time.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tenzhi on March 02, 2013, 06:46:10 AM
I deleted all of my characters before the game shut down.

If the game came back exactly as it was when it shut down, I'm not sure I'd immediately jump on it.  Even if it came back and was moving forward with some of the Issue features that were in beta I might not immediately jump on it.  If it came back with a test server that had a permanent click-to-quick-level NPC, I would jump on it immediately and probably never play anywhere else. ;P
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ice Trix on March 02, 2013, 08:01:06 AM
If the price sub was unreasonable, or we had to repurchase lots of stuff. That would annoy me.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Xieveral on March 02, 2013, 08:07:36 AM
If it was just City of Heroes. No redside, no deal. Not having my friends around would also be an obstacle, I'd still play but without friends I don't have the same drive or passion for the game. If I wanted to play an MMO by myself, I'd still be playing WoW.

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And really, if they did start it up again and everyone went 'eeeew, NCSoft!' and didn't go for it they'd just shut it down a second time.

What's to stop them from shutting it down for no reason a second time? Fool me once...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: no hero on March 02, 2013, 08:23:28 AM
Is there a deal-breaker for me?
As far as I know... no.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mister Bison on March 02, 2013, 08:49:20 AM
A truck.

A truck would stop me, yeeees ...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tenzhi on March 02, 2013, 09:06:12 AM
A truck.

A truck would stop me, yeeees ...

But not just any truck.  I imagine it would have to be pretty big.  And probably red.  As trucks go, it would probably be a prime specimen, I'd say...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kyriani on March 02, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
The only deal breaker for me would be something like open pvp without the ability to opt out. Besides that I'd play again even if I had to start over and was frozen at i23 for the rest of the time playing.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Steelclaw on March 02, 2013, 12:59:03 PM
Deleting all my old characters is something I used to do to myself on a fairly regular basis so that wouldn't bother me at all.

I don't think ANYTHING would really stop me from playing entirely, however I must admit that no further game development would be a constant thorn.  On the other hand, I'm not sure I would trust anyone but the Development Team we HAD to move forward with content. 

If Matt headed up La Resistance then I would be all for it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Triplash on March 02, 2013, 01:00:31 PM
But not just any truck.  I imagine it would have to be pretty big.  And probably red.  As trucks go, it would probably be a prime specimen, I'd say...

In his case, I think it would take something more primal. A gorilla maybe, that would maximize its chances. But even then I'm sure he could terrorize it into submission. ;)


I'm on the "unavoidable pvp is all that would stop me" list too. Our city was changing every few months anyway, what's a couple more changes gonna hurt? And leveling characters is one of the parts I liked most so restarting them all would actually be fun for me. It'd give me a chance to plan them better, and not make all my rookie mistakes again. Plus this time I'd know how to make money on the auction house right from the start... oh heck yeah, I'd be down for that. Just give me the chance!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Rotten Luck on March 02, 2013, 01:07:36 PM
I can handle having to do my characters again.  My SG friends often have a bet that an Alt of mine won't last a week before I redo it over again.  (Various reasons Powers not right, Animation of said powers seem off for character concept.  Or most common I'm just insane.)

So starting over not a big deal. 

Now if we get CoH in the hands of a studio that won't listen to the players I might think twice about subbing.  What was great about CoH was the Devs were interactive responded openly to our concerns.  even if the response was "We are looking into it."

I wouldn't trust NCsoft again that for sure.  Not because they closed the game but HOW and how they went about closing Paragon Studios.... that said...

I will return, but I will have my characters bags packed ready to go just in case.

IF they turn COH into a Pay to Win (Incarnate stuff was touching on this) or some other Grind my money out of my pocket system.  Then I will have to leave.

Ahh heck I have to say the unavoidable pvp on my list as well.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: General Idiot on March 02, 2013, 01:38:13 PM
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IF they turn COH into a Pay to Win (Incarnate stuff was touching on this) or some other Grind my money out of my pocket system.  Then I will have to leave.

Technically they already did - consider the levels of power you can attain with invention sets. Then realise that to get then you either have to have veteran rewards, buy an invention license or subscribe, all of which require paying money. Also they were selling the booster powers, and dual/team inspirations which were outright better than standard ones and unavailable without paying.

And yet, no one really seemed to mind. I can't speak for everyone but there's a certain level of pay to win that I can tolerate. Really it's only when non-paying players become unable to play the game effectively that I have a problem. On the standard difficulty, that is. Not having to set it to -1.

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What's to stop them from shutting it down for no reason a second time? Fool me once...

If they have anything resembling half a shred of common sense, the game becoming wildly popular as people flock back to it would stop them at least in the short term. Tme would tell if it'd also convince them to give half a damn about marketing the game so it stays viable for much longer.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on March 02, 2013, 02:10:16 PM
For me deal breaker would be if it was less enjoyable than the game I'm playing now.
Another one would be if they have no semblence of marketing plan.
With those two ir rather lack of those, I might as well stay where I'm at.

The last direct deal breakers are if they give no consideration to those  may not like having to team to play with too much team required content and pay to win like invention and incarnate stuff. Put up with it for a while and played it to see and not itching to do it again, especially a player ran market making inf go into hyper inflation mode faster than the Zimbabwean dollar. Then, once again, if that happens, I will be better off staying where I am already now. My dealbreakers. Mine.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: HEATSTROKE on March 02, 2013, 03:39:32 PM
My conditions.. All my stuff back.. and Issue 24 released.. and an open apology..
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Rotten Luck on March 02, 2013, 04:06:55 PM
Technically they already did - consider the levels of power you can attain with invention sets. Then realise that to get then you either have to have veteran rewards, buy an invention license or subscribe, all of which require paying money. Also they were selling the booster powers, and dual/team inspirations which were outright better than standard ones and unavailable without paying.


True the top gear was locked behind pay.  But you can go all the way to 50 with out IOs at all.  I didn't really start on Invention sets till 50 most of the time anyway.  Like I said the Incarnate stuff and the signature story arcs were the only content locked behind the pay wall.  I'm more frustrated at that move content should never be locked players are part of content in a MMO.  The Booster powers, and Ins were more convince they made things easier there was never a you HAVE to have it.  Then again perhaps that why I was loosing heart near the end I was seeing the corruption of that method of Milking the cash cow. 
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Nebularian on March 02, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
As we've seen in another thread, one of the things that would stop me would be reopening with a too early version.

But if it opened exactly as it was when it shut down, with no hope of future updates?...No big deal. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest. 

Wouldn't mind having to start all over again...with brand new toons. I think it would be kinda fun to bring all those toons back up again.

Not having the ability to opt out of PVP?  yeah, that would be a deal breaker.  Don't like PVP and want no part of it.

NCSoft in charge?  Well, I am boycotting NCSoft UNTIL they sell the IP  OR reopen.  So, I would play...but I wouldn't trust them not to do it again.

Not having COV wouldn't bother me too much.  Never was much into playing Villains..but I would miss the "Gold" side.  Still, wouldn't be a Deal Breaker. 
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kaiser Tarantula on March 02, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
My absolute dealbreakers:
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: saipaman on March 02, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
I could definitely play I23 for decades to come.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Optimus Dex on March 03, 2013, 12:18:49 AM
My conditions.. All my stuff back.. and Issue 24 released.. and an open apology..
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All the above but I don't thi8nk I could trust Nc Soft ever.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: General Idiot on March 03, 2013, 01:33:53 AM
True the top gear was locked behind pay.  But you can go all the way to 50 with out IOs at all.  I didn't really start on Invention sets till 50 most of the time anyway.  Like I said the Incarnate stuff and the signature story arcs were the only content locked behind the pay wall.  I'm more frustrated at that move content should never be locked players are part of content in a MMO.  The Booster powers, and Ins were more convince they made things easier there was never a you HAVE to have it.  Then again perhaps that why I was loosing heart near the end I was seeing the corruption of that method of Milking the cash cow.

Locking incarnates and signature arcs behind a pay wall is something I would've been a lot more upset about if the game didn't have piles and piles of content to keep everyone entertained anyway. And as you say, there was stuff you could pay for that'd outright make you more powerful than someone who didn't. But you never NEEDED that stuff, I think is the key point that kept too many people being bothered by it. A lot of 'free' games go too far in locking things behind paywalls to the extent that if you don't pay you're not actually capable of playing the game. Admittedly I'd love free incarnates and IOs, but I don't think it's strictly necessary.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Victoria Victrix on March 03, 2013, 03:07:03 AM
Unavoidable PvP.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Timelord Tom on March 03, 2013, 03:14:33 AM
My absolute dealbreakers:
  • NCSoft having the ability to shut it down again: I would prefer NCsoft be totally uninvolved, but so long as NCsoft does not have the ability to shut the game down again in its new incarnation, I'd probably be content.  If NCsoft still has enough power over the game to shut it down, then I couldn't play.  I couldn't risk coming back to the game and just getting hurt again.  I would hate myself and my friends would lynch me (they're tired of hearing me talk about it.)
  • Compulsive openworld PVP: I liked the fact that PvP in CoH was totally optional.  Sure, there were badges involved, but they weren't required for much of anything.  I don't think any accolade powers required a mix of PvP and PvE badges.  I do not like the prospect of potentially being ganked by a higher-level player that I have no hope against when I roll a new toon in Atlas.
  • Pay-to-Win BS: Pull incarnate content out from behind the pay-wall, even if you leave incarnate powers themselves locked.  Heck, I'd honestly let players have their incarnate powers too.  C'mon, you worked for that Lv50, and worked for that alpha experience, you should have the right to use it regardless of your pay status.  I'd also want to see the invention system opened back up.

    You can say what you want, but IOs were the single biggest boost in power players recieved prior to the hybrid model, and they're pretty much required if you want to exist in PvP at all.  Limiting them to paying players immediately restricts PvP to the paying elite, who will stomp all fun from those who aren't, then leave because they have no easy targets once the free players realize they're not welcome in PvP any more.  While it doesn't matter to me, I know a lot of players that it DOES matter to, and they aren't going to play if under those conditions (and indeed, I know a lot of players that STOPPED playing when they learned their IOs were going to be restricted come Freedom).
  • Be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR on what a Free account can and cannot do: There were way, way, WAY too many hidden disadvantages for playing free.  No medium/large inspirations without veteran rewards, no merit rewards of any kind without subscription, an irritating interface button that you could not get rid of by any means, no invention enhancements without paid license, no participation in the game's economy without a license or subscription, no outgoing mail without vet rewards or subscription, no outgoing whispers without vet rewards or subscription, restricted reward tables for taskforces and other group activities, no incarnate powers... I would have appreciated a warning before running into all of these irritating, niggling little restrictions, everywhere.

I agree with all the above in spirit, if not details.

No matter who brought CoH back there is always going to be the dreaded day when it gets shut down again. Even WOW will face that day, eventually.

I completely agree with PvP.

Pay to win? Bleh, nope, want to avoid that at all costs. Play for FUN? CoH pretty much had that nailed.

Too many hidden disadvantages to playing a free account? Hmmm... maybe, but I wouldn't expect the limits to change, just need to be better spelled out. Free accounts are really just there, from a business perspective, to give the player time to play for free and decide if they want to upgrade to a subscription... and even this wouldn't stop me, as I had two paid subscriptions going.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Golden Ace on March 03, 2013, 03:23:12 AM
Unavoidable PvP.

Yeah that would probably stop me.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: AlphaFerret on March 03, 2013, 03:23:49 AM
I would come back to any version of Paragon City....they need to let us back in there!  ***shakes locked gate***
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on March 03, 2013, 04:51:52 AM
Not sure anything would be a true "deal breaker", but not having at least the "Freem Fifteen" on it would certainly make me hesitant. They know the game, they know us, we know them. A whole new dev team could take the gem we had and turn it into a shit. It could be argued that they could keep things as good (or make them better), but I'm somewhat of a glass-half-empty type.

And I liked our devs.... :(
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: DarkCurrent on March 03, 2013, 05:05:48 AM
If all our data was deleted and then everything was turned into microtransactions to get it back.  Like we were all given 'freebie' account status and had to purchase extra character slots, invention licenses, etc.  That would be a dealbreaker for me.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kuriositys Kat on March 03, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
The deal Breakers: Unavoidable  PVP. NCsoft ownership UNLESS they built in an option for the game to be bought by the game community  at a realistic price, when they decided to shut down again.



Other than that don't care if  I have to start over when the game comes back,  I have my info, I can recreate my characters. 

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kistulot on March 03, 2013, 06:41:01 PM
I miss Argent so damned much that I'd put up with about anything to know I could fly around in her boots again.

I tried CO to keep a grasp of some aspect of her, but a million factors combining with how CO is just not a fun game to play with other people...

So, nothing would. I'd pay. I'd level her from 1-50. Heck, if they made it so kheldians could only be unlocked by hitting 50 again, I'd rush a brute Argent to 50 just to unlock kheld for her.

Sigh.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: samfivedot on March 03, 2013, 07:16:10 PM
I can't think of anything that would stop me. I would seriously trade away any of my possessions (except my computer, of course!) for the chance to once again rocket around the city as TR-109 and foil the sinister machinations of Crey. The idea of starting over at Level 1 wouldn't bother me at all. It was never just about levels, it was about bringing to life characters that I created all by myself.

The best I can do is make characters in Icon, but that's not enough - I want to play them! It's like having a whole bunch of badass action figures and never being able to take them out of their boxes.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Thunder Glove on March 03, 2013, 08:23:25 PM
I don't think any of the things mentioned would stop me, except maybe open world PvP.  (Would that really be a concern?) Many of them would lessen my enjoyment, of course, but I don't know if they'd drive me away completely before I even log in.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mister Bison on March 03, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
But not just any truck.  I imagine it would have to be pretty big.  And probably red.  As trucks go, it would probably be a prime specimen, I'd say...
I... erm... *didn't even think of that*

No, I meant a normal truck. That prime won't be able to stop me this time ! Ha ha ha ha haaa yeeees !
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Dollhouse on March 03, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
Losing my characters would almost certainly keep me away. Those characters (along with so many in-game friends) were the reason I was still playing after all those years. Although the game still played very well and more than offset its age with years of refinement, gameplay stopped being a big draw on me long ago. Friends and characters...

NCSoft's involvement would be a source of concern for me, but by no means a deal-breaker.

Open world PvP, however unlikely, would be a deal-breaker. Not that I mind PvP...just not post-i13 CoH PvP, thanksverymuch. Not as an opt-in and damn sure not as compulsory.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Illusionss on March 03, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
Pretty much nothing would stop me.

I doubt unavoidable PvP would ever be an issue, if NCIdiocracy was running the game, that would mean too much investment in the game. If someone else were running it, it would mean a complete redo of the game anyways.... so I dont ever see that happening.

I would remake everyone from the ground up if I had to.

I often wonder exactly WHAT NCIdiocracy actually DID with our servers. Are they wiped? I would not bet a dollar that the info is stil intact. The mere thought enrages me. But what can be done once, can be done again.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Absolute on March 04, 2013, 04:21:32 AM
Unavoidable PvE




Kidding, although that was a serious concern and the reason I could never get friends to join ("PvP in this game is great, but you won't see it until you grind for a week").

The lack of PvP would stop me from coming back, and it's sad that taking out PvP completely is actually a common suggestion when it's completely optional.



Are there even any MMO games where you cannot avoid PvP (Aside from joining PvP specific servers)? I've never heard this as a rational fear before. I honestly can't imagine an MMO that forces players to fight other players and somehow be successful.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Triplash on March 04, 2013, 05:55:41 AM
The lack of PvP would stop me from coming back, and it's sad that taking out PvP completely is actually a common suggestion when it's completely optional.

I haven't seen anybody here saying take out PVP completely. What I meant by "unavoidable pvp" (and I think the others agree but I can't speak for them) is when you're forced into it. When it's a necessary step in order to advance past a certain point, or to gain certain benefits/items/contacts that you need just to handle even-level situations.

CoH did it perfectly right... they made PVP opt-in only. Meaning if you chose to participate you had to go to distinct and separated areas, which were clearly labeled with big signs saying what you were getting into. Nothing outside those zones required you to go there, and nothing you got in them was necessary just to get ahead in the game. Useful and potent, sure, but you could handle the entire game without it. That's what I'm saying; keep it optional.

If CoH itself comes back as it was, obviously that won't be an issue. But if it comes back with changes, or if a replacement does things differently, then making PVP non-optional is a change that will keep a lot of us away. Because to non-PVPers, many PVPers can make for intensely distasteful encounters. (And I know not all PVPers are like that, but the bad ones are so bad that it's usually preferable to just avoid them all.)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tenzhi on March 04, 2013, 06:02:40 AM
Are there even any MMO games where you cannot avoid PvP (Aside from joining PvP specific servers)? I've never heard this as a rational fear before. I honestly can't imagine an MMO that forces players to fight other players and somehow be successful.

Yes, they do exist.  It's been awhile and I can't recall the name, but there was a game I tried where once you got out of the tutorial it was open PVP.  However, it had some sort of karma system for it wherein ganking lowbies eventually got the town guard NPCs after you.

And, of course, there's EVE Online.  It's been awhile since I tried it, but when I did there wasn't much to do that didn't ultimately involve entering PVP areas.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Aggelakis on March 04, 2013, 06:21:01 AM
Are there even any MMO games where you cannot avoid PvP (Aside from joining PvP specific servers)? I've never heard this as a rational fear before. I honestly can't imagine an MMO that forces players to fight other players and somehow be successful.
Aion. If you don't PVP, you basically can't advance at anything even remotely approaching reasonable.

Actually, most Korean- and Chinese-style games tend to be HEAVILY PVP-oriented, to the point that some of them barely have anything that could be called 'PVE'.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Absolute on March 04, 2013, 07:15:05 AM
Aion. If you don't PVP, you basically can't advance at anything even remotely approaching reasonable.

Wow, after a quick Google search, you're right. There are guides written specifically to dodge PvP and they mostly include "Go afk".

That's a horrible system. Good way to exclude a ton of people. What if I'm not in the mood to PvP? I guess another game would get my money then.

Considering Aion is well-known and NCsoft controls the game, there actually might be a chance they could bring back CoH in a forced PvP world. That would crash and burn pretty fast.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: cohvictory on March 04, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
They Killed the Game we all loved.  If the my characters are all gone, so am I.  So many nights, working out builds, hanging with my son, and building great heroes.  It makes me sad to even think about the game these days.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: General Idiot on March 04, 2013, 10:03:21 AM
Regarding PvP, I honestly wouldn't mind if it was made a bigger part of the game in a relaunch. As long as I could still opt out without having to avoid whole zones I'd be fine, and a simple flag system like WoW has on its non-PvP servers would do that. I always thought it was a bit of a catch 22 - no one PvPs because PvP is such a small and insignificant part of the game because no one PvPs. Exaggerating obviously as there were people that did it but never enough. Making it slightly more involved without taking away that ability to opt out would be an idea I could get behind, especially if they put some effort into rebalancing it as well.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: johnrobey on March 04, 2013, 10:54:50 AM
I like all the reasons in the posts before mine (i even chortled over a few) but yeah obligatory PvP would be one good reason to opt out.

At this moment what might stop me is that really weird virtual non-cyber space game called Real LifeTM - and :D i'm still trying to get hip to the replies I get from my fan letters to that game's lead designer(s).  Thus I might be too actively involved in grassroots initiatives and democratic processes re: protecting the Environment, or attempting to achieve social justice in my lifetime, or any of a dozen or more worthy social causes, not least of which is the Obama-Biden White House Initiative: Organizing for America.  There's still thousands of books I'd like to read, music I've not yet heard as well as oldies I still love, and one current goal is to view all the TED Talks on YouTube (and maybe even learn how to make video myself - if this old hound dog ain't too old to learn new tricks.)  I am even attempting my hand at writing (purely amateur "Sunday Painter" type stuff, like essays with an online men's group, the odd "slam" poem, etc. and a neat group of people on LiveJournal, most of whom feel that I went into "an MMO coma" but have graciously welcomed me back.

It's nice to be back with you all here on Titan.  One of my even older than I hippie friends has accepted my commission to design a few buttons for me to give away or wear.  Labeling can be groovy, and mine shall read: Senior Citizen in Training!  P.S. have I mentioned I've met some really cool people and have marvelous friends?  PPS. Included in that operational definition of KEWL people and Marvelous/Fabulous friends is YOU, gentle reader.  P.S. Thanks a LOT for encouragement, TonyV.  That was precisely the right message at exactly the right time. and yeah, echoing Healix, Mercedes is da "man" aka our Fearless Leader!!!!!  /em holdtorch   8)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Thunder Glove on March 04, 2013, 11:25:37 AM
... I'm amazed at the number of people who wouldn't go back if they had to remake their characters again.  I'd have no trouble with remaking my characters and get them back to level 50, if the only other option is "never play CoH again."

Heck, a week or two after the closing announcement, I created a brand-new character, and got her to 50+2 before the shutdown (while still playing other characters, mind you); getting new versions of my original 50s back up to that level wouldn't take much longer.

Not to disparage other people's reasons, of course.  I just can't quite wrap my head around it, particularly in a game where it's so relatively quick and easy to get characters to 50 (or even 50+3), and I'm not even a speed runner.

Maybe it's just because I'm an altoholic.  Leveling up characters is what I like to do. :D
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: therain93 on March 04, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
As much as I miss the game, I probably would not return to City of Heroes if NCsoft merely reopened it.  Why?  Just on principle and because most everyone would be gone -- players AND developers.  Things would never be the same.  If a new studio picked up the game and there was some continuity in vision (including some of the previous key developers), I would be more inclined to return.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: OzonePrime on March 04, 2013, 02:27:02 PM
Not much. I'd play.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Lothic on March 04, 2013, 05:18:20 PM
I would probably give any rebooted version of CoH a solid try regardless.

But I probably wouldn't stay around very -long- if they did anything drastic like imposed open-world PvP or wiped everyone's original characters.  I also probably wouldn't stay around too long if there was no promise of any new content.  After 8.5 years I had already done everything the original game offered multiple times and TBH the occasional bit of new content was one of the few things keeping me around.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: The Fifth Horseman on March 05, 2013, 12:16:40 AM
1. All player data being reset/lost. We all have to make new accounts and everything we bought, vet powers earned and characters made were lost.
No stopping, the characters I had were more or less complete... might be fun remaking them from scratch with slightly tweaked powerset choices tho.
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2. No further developments or changes. Game in maintenance mode. (Issue 23) That is tough knowing the game will no longer evolve.
Meh. Eight years of content, more than enough to keep everyone busy for a while.
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2a. No successor.
A successor would not be the original. Not an issue far as I'm concerned.
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3. Radical changes to the game. Adding in or removal of "key" features. Fairly generic catagory but its possible if the game came back the powers to be decieded to add some new feature like open world pvp or say removed bases or inventions. This might bes too generic but just a topic of things changed which might make me not want to come back.
Maaaybe, if the change altered the gameplay too much. Probably not an immediate deal-breaker tho.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on March 05, 2013, 12:25:08 AM
I had around 70 50s by the time the game shut down, so I wouldn't feel partiicularly sad about restarting them as long as A) I could get my names back B) I could play the same powersets I had played before.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Golden Ace on March 05, 2013, 12:58:46 AM
I had one 50 I loved more than any other.  I played him nearly constantly for 8 years. maxed out in influence on him 3 times.  I only had 2 50's for many years until I got a second account, then I started leveling many others through the sidekick and level with a buddy system.

I had half a dozen 50's on my account that never left atlas park. 
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Corlagon on March 05, 2013, 01:20:29 AM
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kistulot on March 05, 2013, 06:30:42 AM
Considering CoH was City of Altitis it really confuses me too that people wouldn't be thrilled at the chance to have an excuse to recreate their main and do it BETTER that time.

Le sigh.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Lucretia MacEvil on March 05, 2013, 05:26:22 PM
Considering CoH was City of Altitis it really confuses me too that people wouldn't be thrilled at the chance to have an excuse to recreate their main and do it BETTER that time.

Le sigh.

"Main"?  What's a "main"?  :P

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kistulot on March 05, 2013, 05:29:50 PM
"Main"?  What's a "main"?  :P

My mistake, I meant "their beloved characters" :p

But this also comes from the woman who was constantly asked how many alts she had of the same character.

Blaster/Brute/PB/Scrapper... and I had plans for an eventual defender... and for her Praetorian version she already had a Dominator, was going to get a Stalker...

Don't look at me! DON'T LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Golden Ace on March 06, 2013, 12:28:30 AM
Hmmm....

If the Protector server ever came back as anything but a bunch of undead creatures.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: LadyShin on March 06, 2013, 06:44:55 PM
Technically they already did - consider the levels of power you can attain with invention sets. Then realise that to get then you either have to have veteran rewards, buy an invention license or subscribe, all of which require paying money. Also they were selling the booster powers, and dual/team inspirations which were outright better than standard ones and unavailable without paying.

And yet, no one really seemed to mind. I can't speak for everyone but there's a certain level of pay to win that I can tolerate. Really it's only when non-paying players become unable to play the game effectively that I have a problem. On the standard difficulty, that is. Not having to set it to -1..

Ouch... I pretty much left the  settings at -1 from level 1 to Incarnate Shift +3...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: DarkCurrent on March 06, 2013, 06:59:29 PM
If they restarted you at a 'freedom' level of account where you had the base number of character slots and zero vet perks, powers, access to Praetoria, etc.  And you had to buy all that stuff (inventions, character slots, respecs, costume changes, etc.) that took years of paying/playing to acquire...

Yeah, that'd be a deal breaker.  Especially if it was NCSuck that restarted it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: okami on March 06, 2013, 10:25:57 PM
I'd be annoyed to not have my ninja run and rocket board, I'd miss /ah and all my slots and costumes, but the only thing that would stop me from playing would be any involvement with NCSoft.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Nyx Nought Nothing on March 07, 2013, 04:04:18 AM
I'd certainly love to see CoH come back and I would most likely want to support anyone who decided to stick their neck out and reboot the servers. I was just wondering, what might be a dealbreaker to you coming back to CoH?

1. All player data being reset/lost. We all have to make new accounts and everything we bought, vet powers earned and characters made were lost. Starting over at level 1 with no characters. I would be annoyed but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.
A data reset wouldn't faze me for a second. Now if the game was rolled back six years or more i'd be sort of "eeeehhh", but might try it a bit, depending.

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2. No further developments or changes. Game in maintenance mode. (Issue 23) That is tough knowing the game will no longer evolve.
2a. No successor.
Permanently at Issue 23 i would still play, most likely not nearly as much as i used to after a while, but there was so much i had yet to do. Both in terms of character concepts, storylines, and the many fun and bizarre things the game's AI and physics engine could be contorted into. Often because of how the two interacted. There were a few things i still wanted to try.
As for 2a, well...there's already at least one successor in the works, thematically speaking, and i'm not that devoted to the specific locations and NPCs of CoH as much as the overall themes and style of the game.

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3. Radical changes to the game. Adding in or removal of "key" features. Fairly generic catagory but its possible if the game came back the powers to be decieded to add some new feature like open world pvp or say removed bases or inventions. This might be too generic but just a topic of things changed which might make me not want to come back.
Honestly, after playing from Issue 0 up to trying out Issue 24 on beta the only radical changes that could drive me away would be ones that completely changed the nature of the game or at least changed it in ways i despised. For example, if CoH was brought back by simply doing a search and replace of names in Champions Online and then calling it City of Heroes i wouldn't play it for very long. Open world PvP might annoy me depending on my mood, but luckily there is no shortage of instanced missions. While i enjoyed the occasional PvP i always approached it with a strong sense of the absurd and whimsy. i rarely played PvP to win, but nearly always played it to befuddle.

Overall, if CoH came online, even perpetually at Issue 23 i would probably play it for years with decreasing frequency, or until an actual successor appeared. (With any luck MWM- TPP will only need a couple years anyway.)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tenzhi on March 07, 2013, 05:49:07 AM
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: General Idiot on March 07, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
Ouch... I pretty much left the  settings at -1 from level 1 to Incarnate Shift +3...

A preference for doing so for whatever reason is not the same as being forced to do so because your character is absolutely incapable of running on the normal difficulty without buying boosts from the store, like some 'free' games do. Personally I frequently did the same, usually on characters with less damage like defenders or tanks just because it made it go faster.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Lightslinger on March 07, 2013, 06:07:25 PM
I think even if another company bought and restarted City of Heroes, we should expect it to be a blank slate restart. The challenges behind importing, indexing, verifying, keeping payment info safe and secure, and all that must go into online gaming accounts I could understand the new owners just wanting to start over.

Personally, I think they'd be better off buying the IP, making some sort of "upgrade", be it graphics or system related, and relaunching as a sequel. Hell for me i24 brought enough changes to warrant calling it a sequel (then again my main was a Blaster). I think people would understand needing to start over more if it were relaunched like that.

I'd personally be fine with re-rolling all 50 something of my alts if it meant I got my City back. There would have to be some extremely massive changes to the core game to keep me from coming back.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Lothic on March 07, 2013, 08:00:08 PM
Considering CoH was City of Altitis it really confuses me too that people wouldn't be thrilled at the chance to have an excuse to recreate their main and do it BETTER that time.

Le sigh.

Your enthusiasm about having the chance to "make new alts BETTER" is based on the assumption that our original mains weren't already pretty much perfect to begin with.  For example my 8.5 year old main character ended the game with/as:

Level 50+3 Incarnate with over 20 VR Incarnate powers.
1396 Badges.
300 Souvenirs.
2 billion INF.
Every costume/aura/pet unlocked.
Every Enhancement slot maxed out with Purple/PvP/IO/Hami-Os.
Every Enhancement slot with +5 boosters.
1000+ Astrals / 400+ Empyreans.

And so on...

Basically if it was in the game my main had it unlocked or had already done it.  Le sigh.

Despite all that I'm not against the idea of having some form of City of Heroes to play with again today.  I'm just saying if we were not allowed to play with our original characters I probably wouldn't bother to "recreate" my original main regardless because it would be impossible unless I had another 8.5 years to spare.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kistulot on March 07, 2013, 08:43:47 PM
Point taken, but still, the thrill of having them again... I'd street sweep to 50 if I had to.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: DarkCurrent on March 08, 2013, 12:18:55 AM
I think even if another company bought and restarted City of Heroes, we should expect it to be a blank slate restart. The challenges behind importing, indexing, verifying, keeping payment info safe and secure, and all that must go into online gaming accounts I could understand the new owners just wanting to start over.

Personally, I think they'd be better off buying the IP, making some sort of "upgrade", be it graphics or system related, and relaunching as a sequel. Hell for me i24 brought enough changes to warrant calling it a sequel (then again my main was a Blaster). I think people would understand needing to start over more if it were relaunched like that.

I'd personally be fine with re-rolling all 50 something of my alts if it meant I got my City back. There would have to be some extremely massive changes to the core game to keep me from coming back.

The dumb asses at NCSoft should've let I24 launch, then flipped the game into maintenance mode while shopping around for a buyer.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: saipaman on March 08, 2013, 12:45:25 AM
The fact that NCSoft didn't chose to do that is circumstantial evidence that this had nothing to do with the game's finances.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on March 08, 2013, 12:57:35 AM
The fact that NCSoft didn't chose to do that is circumstantial evidence that this had nothing to do with the game's finances.
yep.

I think the reason was realignment of focus or something along those lines.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tenzhi on March 08, 2013, 05:21:26 AM
A preference for doing so for whatever reason is not the same as being forced to do so because your character is absolutely incapable of running on the normal difficulty without buying boosts from the store, like some 'free' games do. Personally I frequently did the same, usually on characters with less damage like defenders or tanks just because it made it go faster.

I found normal difficulty practically impossible with some characters facing some enemies.  When my FF Defender got to around the 40s the Rikti could often ruin his day.  When my Fire/Rad Controller got to the 40s, pretty much anything with a Mez was liable to cause faceplanting - regardless of all the debuffs and Controls, something always managed to get through.  Indeed, in my experience most characters that relied on toggles to survive but did not have Mez protection ended up being pretty screwed at high levels.  And that's before considering all the asinine special arcs that they were putting in that forced bosses/elite bosses on you regardless of your difficulty settings.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: tomborocks1 on March 08, 2013, 01:00:42 PM
If COH came back, regardless of it was NCSoft or another entity bringing it back, nothing would prevent me from coming back. If I needed to start from scratch without any of my previous toons, I'd be okay with that. I would just simply want to play again.

This time, however, I might actually be a bit more social.  ;D

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Captain Electric on March 08, 2013, 01:37:49 PM
This is such a loaded question. It's kind of exhausting to think about, too; it's not as if I hadn't thought about it long before now--I imagine I'm far from alone there. There are a couple of things that, I mean, I don't think they would stop me from ever logging in. No, that would be pretty extreme, especially if I knew my friends were back. And even if they weren't back, all of the bad things I can imagine could probably be contrasted by some good things too, and reasons to log in and play.

There are some things that would make me very sad to see. And some of those things would be inevitable if the game returned. For instance, of course, Paragon Studios is no more. Our dev team, they're gone. I've never been such a huge fan of a dev team, and I don't expect them to ever come back, even if City of Heroes does.

Someone recently corrected me when I referred to the game world, the fiction, as the heart of the game. They said the community was the heart of the game. And I immediately agreed, but only halfway. I think our dev team was the other half.

I don't know how to explain why I connected to City of Heroes the way that I did. No game of any kind has ever reached into me the way City of Heroes did. And this is coming from a guy who was already a veteran MMO player before stumbling into City of Heroes in March, 2009. I doubt I'll ever connect with and invest in another MMO like that. Not because I'm gun shy--I'd love to have another similar experience. I'd be open to it. But it's a chemistry thing. And even the devs agreed, City of Heroes wasn't just built, it kind of fell together over the years. It was a mix of love, sweat, and luck.

I am really, really angry with NCSoft. What's interesting is, I wasn't exactly angry with them in the beginning. I was too busy seeking to understand them. Then, too busy just being devastated. Then, too busy trying not to think about it, thinking about other things. As my head cleared and time marched on a bit, I would have expected to become more understanding of the situation. But instead, I seem to grow angrier and more upset with NCSoft as time wears on. Not because I haven't let go or accepted or whatever--I've done both. Or maybe I haven't, heh! Ah well.

One thing's for sure, it is what it is.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JetFlash on March 08, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
Hmm, what would stop me from playing if it returned?

1.  If NCSoft reopened it.  Maybe I would do a F2P if they did, but they will not get one more cent from me.

2.  Changes to the microtransactions, or in simpler terms, being turned into a Pay to Win game. No thanks.

3.  Forced PVP.


Restarting from scratch on all my characters?  Not a problem.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Aleksandros on March 08, 2013, 07:33:56 PM
Very little would stop me returning to the City - devastating physical injury, apocalypse scenarios (zombies I can deal with, til the power/internet go out).  Even if NCSoft were to dangle a new, re-opened City, I'd bite, though I'd watch the skies like a dinoaur on asteroid day.  Nothing else on the market appeals - played CO and DCUO, neither holds a candle - tried going back to EverQuest, nope, ya can't go home again.  Even tried buying Heroes of Might & Magic VI and playing through the campaigns.  It fills the time, but not the void.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: saipaman on March 09, 2013, 12:55:13 AM
It fills the time, but not the void.

You sum it up so very, very well.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Styrj on March 09, 2013, 11:46:34 PM
For me, it would be:

1)  Any NCStupid involvement.
2)  Forced PVP.
3)  Having the game turned into a Pay-to-Win scenario.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: healix on March 10, 2013, 11:24:13 AM
Nothing would stop me, after I stopped crying for joy so I could see the game.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Nebularian on March 10, 2013, 12:42:56 PM
It fills the time, but not the void.

HAH...that is how I define my time spent with DCUO now LOL.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Waffles on March 10, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
New, idiotic developers that don't know half the shit we have experienced and openly say that Paragon "Were amatuers". This would infuriate me beyond anything...And remind me of Diablo 3.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: brucetromp on March 12, 2013, 12:01:14 AM
Like most everyone, I'd come back no matter what.  To me the fun was the people.  If some of them come back then the game would be great.  I feel like I spent a lot of down time just roaming the city.  So I'd like to see the city in the same shape that it was.  Other than that I'm ready to play!  Hope everyone is doing well.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Sailboat on March 12, 2013, 12:05:21 PM
Armed guards.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: BobMc on March 12, 2013, 09:43:44 PM
We'd be back for sure.

I might not be willing to give money willingly to NCSoft, or only the bare minimum needed to play,but I'd be back even so.

If anyone else saved the game, I'd be back with wallet open, happy as could be.

Even starting from scratch, or an previous version of the game. We've both been playing since COV beta, and I've been in since July of starting year.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Chrome on March 14, 2013, 01:12:32 AM
I would want to play! but NCSoft will never get another dime from me :(
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: æhæd on March 14, 2013, 02:29:56 PM
I'll be back if it doesn't cost much more than before. It needs to be free for those who cannot donate. It doesn't need any further functionality, although some I24 beta bits might as well be turned on and if development does stop then it'll need to be structured as non-profit.

There is so much content I haven't tried and so much I want to do again with my friends.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: slickriptide on March 14, 2013, 06:24:58 PM
I can't think of anything in particular that would make me say "no" to playing. I assume already that if the game ever comes back that it will be a start from scratch affair.

I think that ED was a good thing for the game, regardless of the rancor it created, but I doubt I'd base a play decision on whether the game was pre/post ED in setting.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kaiser Tarantula on March 15, 2013, 07:37:37 AM
No matter who brought CoH back there is always going to be the dreaded day when it gets shut down again. Even WOW will face that day, eventually.
I can understand that, but they could've been more forthright about information regarding the shutdown, and more gradual in the shutdown process itself.

A lot of games exist basically in maintenance mode, with no further upgrades or updates, but left open for diehard players, and with their stores still open for subscriptions and microtransactions, just in case there's still any money to be milked from the game.  CoH, when it was shut down, wasn't some niche title that barely had a playerbase - it was one of NCsoft's biggest titles this side of the Atlantic, if not its outright biggest.

They had, and still have, alternatives to just shutting down the game and squatting on it.  It's not making 'em any money, so why not pick a halfway reasonable price and sell the entire IP, code, and server rights to someone who wants it?  Or maybe rig up a user-level server software and license it to individual people to run private servers for their own enjoyment?  There's plenty of money to be made there, if they'd take those options, but they haven't, and it still perplexes me to this day why they don't.

Sure, all games will eventually die.  But from a financial and moral standpoint, it's better to let 'em run their course and wring everything you can from 'em, rather than arbitrarily strangling them with a pillow while they're on their deathbed.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Helyom on March 15, 2013, 06:08:12 PM
Dear friends, im sure they erase our accounts and chars months ago. We lost everything...Our dream is restart to play on the exactly point that they closed the game. But it is really no possible....And yes, i'm still very depressed, there is no game to replace COX to me.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: NeoFight on March 15, 2013, 06:22:48 PM
Im sure they erased our accounts and chars months ago. We lost everything...

I sincerely hope not.  But even if they did, I have not.  My heart still burns to patrol Paragon City again, in one form or another.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kyriani on March 15, 2013, 07:00:16 PM
Dear friends, im sure they erase our accounts and chars months ago. We lost everything...Our dream is restart to play on the exactly point that they closed the game. But it is really no possible....And yes, i'm still very depressed, there is no game to replace COX to me.

If I can get i24 COH functional either as a single player, LAN, or private server and just have to start over and rebuild what I've lost I would still be happy. If the price of playing coh again is the loss of my 50's/base/enhancements/etc so be it... I just want the game back.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Aleksandros on March 15, 2013, 10:50:56 PM
If I have to rebuild every toon from level 1, re-lay every brick and banner/recraft every enhancement in my base, I will do exactly that.  I have a wealth of screenshots, saved Costume files for each and every one of my heroes and villains, Sentinel files for all as well.  If the City sees another sunrise, I will be there in full regalia to greet it.  In the meantime, our City lives on in my memories and yours.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Achimrst on March 16, 2013, 03:02:35 AM
Nothing would stop me from coming back, I can remake a character and have spent enough time away.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: SirKittles on March 16, 2013, 08:23:14 PM
There is nothing at this point that would prevent me from ever going back, even if it went into the hands of some less-than-reputable developers. That doesn't say that it would prevent me from leaving, but I would be happy to have this game back in any form, just to see it playable again.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Cinnder on March 17, 2013, 07:23:32 AM
I'd agree with most of the posts above regarding things like open world PvP, pay to win, etc, and add some things like changing to a gear-based, loot-oriented system, but to me such changes would alter the game so fundamentally that I would question whether it really was CoH coming back as posed in the original question.

However, I think my list is getting shorter day by day as I find the feeling of loss is growing with time rather than diminishing.  I quit the one other MMO I played for a little over a year when they announced their next release recently and I realised that they don't seem to care about the journey from 1-50 anymore but are just adding new endgame grinds.  What I always loved about CoH was the choices I had with new characters -- both in power sets and content.

You always hear about the desperate measures to which drug addicts will go to get one more hit.  Well, I never thought of myself as addicted, but I realised yesterday that I would pay a LOT of money just to be able to play one more mission...  Well, except for any of the Twinshot missions, so I guess I'm not that far gone... :-)

Oh, and thanks a lot Captain Electric.  I was curious what the link was in your sig, so I just followed it to see Evangel's "Memories" video, and here I am 10 min 11 sec later experiencing all the emotions of the closure again as if it just happened.  I never thought a "mere game" would affect me this much for this long.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Illusionss on March 17, 2013, 06:04:26 PM
If NCIdiocracy bundled CoX with the release of a new game, meaning that you had to buy the new game in order to get back into the City.... would you still do it?

I would do it. I would buy the new game and never once touch it, in order to get back in. That's pretty desperate of me.. but yes I would do it.

The more I think about it, the more I have a feeling they wiped our servers. It makes the least amount of sense for NCSoft to have done that, so of course that is what they did! Think about it.... it feels right. Those bozos would do it without thinking twice.

I also am suprised that so many people are saying a wipe would mean they would not bother with a relaunch. Thats all we did, was start new characters and level them up! We had it down to a science. Well, we also took level 50s and crafted them into perfection, but we had that down to a science too.

The thing that would really irk me is the loss of irreplaceable badges. But, lemons out of lemonade....
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on March 17, 2013, 08:01:04 PM
I know people who spent hundreds of hours crafting just a few toons to make them awesome. I can see how they'd be unwilling to come back if it meant having to redo all that.

Me, I was always more interested in the story and trying out new powersets so I'd be happy to start over if it meant I had COH back.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Cinnder on March 17, 2013, 08:35:48 PM
Me, I was always more interested in the story and trying out new powersets so I'd be happy to start over if it meant I had COH back.

Same here, definitely.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Triplash on March 17, 2013, 09:27:52 PM
I know people who spent hundreds of hours crafting just a few toons to make them awesome. I can see how they'd be unwilling to come back if it meant having to redo all that.

Man. If I ever said the words "That was my favorite game of all time and now it's gone forever!" ...I could never follow it with the words "Someone brought back another version of it later, but I just didn't feel like logging in again."

I guess I can understand the feeling, but I cannot agree. There's no way simply starting over would be enough to keep me out.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Noyjitat on March 17, 2013, 10:16:39 PM
Im surprised about the negative feedback towards incarnates and inventions. to each his own, I honestly don't think the game would of lasted many more years at all without something to do for max level characters. I know I ran 10's of 1000's of tfs and made 100s of alts. You can only beat up romulous and lord recluse so many times before it gets stale. I was really starting to run out of stuff to do. Issue 16, Incarnates and beyond refreshed that for me; and added what could possibly have been another 5 years of playtime and adventure for me. The route city of heroes was going to me looked like an inexhaustible pool of content. The boss fight experience between a tf and trial was so much different.

I certainly wouldn't call any of that pay to win. If you had been with the game since day 1 you couldn't play without being subscribed anyway. And those features were in the game before freedom launched. It was only logical to require some features to remain with the subscription only to continue making sub money.

To me the best thing to happen would be that someone bought the servers and relaunched CoX so we can continue where we left off. Unless they purged the cox servers already, our login accounts should be stored on them since they were separate from ncsoft master accounts. I hope you all wrote down your passwords and account info.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: r00tb0ySlim on March 17, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
The thing that would really irk me is the loss of irreplaceable badges. But, lemons out of lemonade....

Yea, the loss of badges sucks, but I would be more than happy to do all 1202 over again.  I overlooked a lot of badges back in the day  :o
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: r00tb0ySlim on March 17, 2013, 10:21:42 PM
To me the best thing to happen would be that someone bought the servers and relaunched CoX so we can continue where we left off. Unless they purged the cox servers already, our login accounts should be stored on them since they were separate from ncsoft master accounts. I hope you all wrote down your passwords and account info.

Wouldn't it be wild if they announced a relaunch at PAX....talk about a trip  ;)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Noyjitat on March 18, 2013, 03:04:27 AM
I would /tearsofjoy followed by /heartexplode finally /hospital
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Lucretia MacEvil on March 18, 2013, 03:43:17 PM
I would alternate between joyful weeping and shouting "about damn time, NCsoft!".  Either way, I'd definitely be grinning for the rest of the week!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: doc7924 on March 18, 2013, 09:09:13 PM
It would suck if I had to redo my 20 or so level 50's all over again, plus the other 30 or so toons of various levels, but if the game came back more or less the same and that was the price, I would have no problem at all with that.

Like other people said, could probably do better the second time around with all the knoweledge gained.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Golden Ace on March 18, 2013, 11:16:13 PM
I would really have a hard time trusting them.

best bet is if they sold it.

*hope*
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kistulot on March 19, 2013, 12:25:30 AM
If NCIdiocracy bundled CoX with the release of a new game, meaning that you had to buy the new game in order to get back into the City.... would you still do it?

I would do it if I had to buy an Ubisoft game to do it, and Ubisoft was responsible for a game that almost bricked an old computer of mine. While pretending their spyware wasnt to blame for it.

Good times.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Illusionss on March 20, 2013, 01:52:33 AM
... You know when they will decide to relaunch this game? I'd lay money on it: we'll get a revival notice a few weeks before Phoenix Project rolls out the gate. I. WOULD. BET. MONEY. That is TOTALLY the kind of **** they would do.

[not much money, but still.]
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Hindenburg on March 21, 2013, 01:42:46 AM

I think they just want to know if we'd play.  and how much interest.

when i have ss and sj on, or even better combat jumping with IR, and im jumping around AP or any zone.  I feel free.  I mean, the game is kinda like a "inbetween" world.  Almost like a interface.  could work well for "virtual internet" whoa, i should pattent that!

And NO.  Not like second life :p

WHERE'S ELF STALKER!

@hINDEN
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on March 21, 2013, 02:04:45 AM
... You know when they will decide to relaunch this game? I'd lay money on it: we'll get a revival notice a few weeks before Phoenix Project rolls out the gate. I. WOULD. BET. MONEY. That is TOTALLY the kind of **** they would do.

[not much money, but still.]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised that if either The Phoenix Project or Heroes and Villains make it to launch that NcSoft will be looking them over carefully to see if they have any legal recourse to shutting them down. They'll definitely want to make sure none of the tech or lore they own from City is being used in another game even if they never plan on releasing anything on it again.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Kistulot on March 21, 2013, 02:16:48 AM
Thankfully both MWM and HAV are prepared for that! :)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: DarkCurrent on March 21, 2013, 03:04:44 AM
I already said that the only way CoX is getting sold is due to press about replacement games.  But they'd better hurry up because no one would play the old game if a spiritual successor is on the horizon.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on March 21, 2013, 04:07:22 AM
I already said that the only way CoX is getting sold is due to press about replacement games.  But they'd better hurry up because no one would play the old game if a spiritual successor is on the horizon.

I dont know. I know plenty of remakes of old games and even with superior graphics I prefered the old one. :p
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: saipaman on March 21, 2013, 03:17:33 PM
Im surprised about the negative feedback towards incarnates and inventions.

I personally found the Incarnate content to be almost 'disconnected' from the rest of the game.  I think there was lots of potential there for 'untold tales of the Praetorian War' story arcs that would have helped glue the Incarnate Trials together into a more compelling story.

At one point, I thought about going back and doing all the Praetorian content, which certainly might have helped, but I never got around to it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: LadyShin on June 25, 2013, 09:34:40 AM
I personally found the Incarnate content to be almost 'disconnected' from the rest of the game.  I think there was lots of potential there for 'untold tales of the Praetorian War' story arcs that would have helped glue the Incarnate Trials together into a more compelling story.

At one point, I thought about going back and doing all the Praetorian content, which certainly might have helped, but I never got around to it.

I think that was the whole point of the Incarnate system - You're on top of the world, level 50, you've got gang bosses and secret organizations cowering at your feet, you've smashed the Qularr - I mean, Rikti Invasion - and suddenly you're catapulted into this whole new realm where you start from the bottom up - the challenges you've faced before are insignificant compared to the new threats. This was probably the whole purpose of the Coming Storm - waging a titanic battle on the level of a deity. I'm sure the gluing together of the story arcs would've happened eventually :)... All these random arcs...eventually twining together one by one. Nemesis plots..Pandora's box..Hamidon.. Kronos Titan Projects.. Romulus' meddling.. The Shivan invasion... All tiny pieces of a bigger puzzle. And once you got -there- ... whoa. there goes the universe, hold everything, turn it all around and upside down - everything you thought you knew was a lie. You finally discover the point behind all this madness and have to race forward and back in time, battling against the clock, enemies old and new, former allies and future friends, even yourself, to stop it. Suspense anyone?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Energy Aura on June 25, 2013, 02:04:53 PM
Energy Aura would most certainly reappear in CoH.  Level 1 or Level 50 Incarnate makes no difference.

In preparation for the eventual return I have even done several Mids builds using SOs -->IOs-->Sets to level 50 for several of my favorite Heroes and Villains. 

My hopes are that once the "underground" has gotten a working prototype server for individuals to run and host, it will be based on I24 for the most part (some stuff in the final Beta wasn't ready for prime time). And since it may be Beta based, the Paragon Rewards and Paragon Points would be easy to reacquire since Beta market was free (thus all your Vet powers would be a few clicks away).  This would also give individuals running servers a 75% functioning WW/BM since component items self populated in Beta (I believe).

This is my dream.  I'm sure 99% of us here had a group they ran with regularly and one of those individuals could run the server for your group.  Thus making it your world.  After that, characters stored on local machines could run on other servers to get more of a MMO feel for those who enjoy the social aspect.

YES I WOULD PLAY AGAIN.

Here's to all of you and your hopes and dreams...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: tazov91 on June 25, 2013, 03:02:12 PM
well is it? nothing would stop me playing the game again lots of fun best MMO Ever and gone still puzzles me...i look on the web alot for answers if itll ever come back...a piece of me missing..
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Angel Phoenix77 on June 25, 2013, 04:14:44 PM
NCSoft being involved in any way.

None of the other things would stop me at least playing casually other than compulsory open world PvP.
bingo for me as well, ive seen what nc did to tabula rasa, auto assault, and dungeon runners. :(
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: srmalloy on June 25, 2013, 10:02:28 PM
I personally found the Incarnate content to be almost 'disconnected' from the rest of the game.  I think there was lots of potential there for 'untold tales of the Praetorian War' story arcs that would have helped glue the Incarnate Trials together into a more compelling story.

If you did all of the Incarnate trials, you got more-or-less a 'what' for some the events of the Praetorian War, but I agree that it would have been nice to get a contact at, say, 45 that would give you an extended story arc that would have you discover villain groups that are getting equipment that shows odd designs (eventually linking them to Praetoria via an NPC hero/villain who'd left Praetoria). Once you identified the equipment, then you'd follow a trail through the suppliers of that equipment that lead up to discovery and clearing of one or more Praetorian 'forward outposts' on Primal Earth, and finally capping out with missions that send you into the Praetorian facilities on the other end of the links to those outposts to recover information from their commanders or the facility computers. At some point through this, the character would be expected to hit 50, and possibly become Incarnate, with additional missions or goals if they are that provide additional information. And all of this would result in giving more background about what Cole is doing with his invasion and explaining why we need to be doing the Incarnate trials -- and why heroes and villains need to work together to this end -- instead of having them dangling out there with no visible support.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tamayoke_Garimi on July 03, 2013, 04:38:44 AM
NOTHING
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: CheerGunbunny on July 03, 2013, 10:50:36 AM
mandatory PvP

meaning, can happen anywhere, without your consent.

NO.

Restart everyone from level 1?  um, yeah, major altaholic, no big deal...hell, my main I never even respecced post-ED since I was literally over 80% Hami-O before ED.  Still had 6-slot stamina (as pool not inherent)..:)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 01:33:45 AM
The biggest deal-breakers for me would be what look like the two most hated in this thread: mandatory PvP and Pay-to-Win.

NCSoft's involvement is also a dealbreaker unless they meet the following conditions:

1) Deliver an unmistakeable, humble apology that explains that not only do they now know what they did was wrong, but that they guarantee never to do it again with this game.

2) Offer everyone who was subscribed at the time of the closing announcement OR a more-than-one-year veteran some kind of goodies-- like an entire free purple set of their choosing, for instance.  They pissed away (with relatively few exceptions) all of the goodwill from this community, so they would definitely need to make some kind of goodwill gesture.

That said, if NCSoft weren't involved at all, I would hardly shed tears over that.  Until my game comes back they can all just batter up and go pancake themselves.

As for my characters, I wouldn't be too happy about it but I could live with recreating my favorite characters.  Some of them were in dire need of a respec, and I saved all of my favorite costumes anyway!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: goodtime on July 08, 2013, 01:50:29 AM
I think if it came back with a clean slate - specifically without access to my characters or bases- I would have a hard time justifying a paid subscription.   I might spend a little on some veteran reward-type equivalents, but my heart wouldn't be in the game.   If I could keep all the stuff I've collected over the years and have my bases to work on and edit again, I would shell out monthly and giggle like a schoolgirl the whole time.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Eoraptor on July 08, 2013, 03:52:41 AM
What might stop me? like others have said, an emnity towards NCSoft, or no gurantee that the game would be protected. I would not start playing again if I thought there was any chance NCSoft would shut things down again in six months or a year.

what might prevent me? a change to a new pricing schema. I played freedom mainly because it gave me the option to play without a sub price those months I couldn't afford it, so going to a new subscription model, particularly one that costs markedly more, would keep me away for practical reasons.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 04:20:18 AM
For me deal breaker would be if it was less enjoyable than the game I'm playing now.
Another one would be if they have no semblence of marketing plan.
With those two ir rather lack of those, I might as well stay where I'm at.

The last direct deal breakers are if they give no consideration to those  may not like having to team to play with too much team required content and pay to win like invention and incarnate stuff. Put up with it for a while and played it to see and not itching to do it again, especially a player ran market making inf go into hyper inflation mode faster than the Zimbabwean dollar. Then, once again, if that happens, I will be better off staying where I am already now. My dealbreakers. Mine.

Okay, I'm just going to come right out and ask.

Why are you here?

You don't seem to have liked anything about the game as it was.  Your "dealbreakers" seem to boil down to whether or not the game came back exactly as it was, i.e. with the I24 bugs still being ironed out, and without even more solo content/freebies (which there was a surfeit of).  Another "dealbreaker" you mentioned was no "semblence" [sic] of a marketing plan, but you simply would not be privy to any marketing plan, no matter how elaborate and brilliant, until well after it was implemented.

You further went on to call things that existed before Freedom and that you couldn't buy with anything but your subscription fee, without which you would have had access to precisely NONE of the game, "pay to win."  I'm not going to re-litigate that particular fight, especially not when I could better spend my time watching any random Laverne & Shirley rerun.  I just note it here for its undeniable absurdity.  (Things like this make me hope against hope that the game does NOT come back with any F2P option.)

So, given the things you've said here and elsewhere, I must ask: why are you here?  Why are you participating in this community?  I hate to say it, but you've given me no reason to believe your commitment to Sparkle Motion even exists.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Captain Electric on July 08, 2013, 04:30:27 AM
WAIT, WAIT, DON'T ANSWER HIM JAGUAR.

You have to hear it like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eUZF2Lq2w

Okay, now you can answer him.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on July 08, 2013, 04:37:52 AM
WAIT, WAIT, DON'T ANSWER HIM JAGUAR.

You have to hear it like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eUZF2Lq2w

Okay, now you can answer him.

lol.


Well I was in middle of typing but lmao. Yeah, enough said right there. lol. That is how I visualized him as he typed those words. I guess since my opinion and deal breaker is diffferent he just cant emotionally take it. It makes him cry shed tears and cant sleep at night.
lol. Well, the world continue to turn as it has been with him and without him. Sad he doesnt realize that yet.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 05:02:33 AM
lol.


Well I was in middle of typing but lmao. Yeah, enough said right there. lol. That is how I visualized him as he typed those words. I guess since my opinion and deal breaker is diffferent he just cant emotionally take it. It makes him cry shed tears and cant sleep at night.
lol. Well, the world continue to turn as it has been with him and without him. Sad he doesnt realize that yet.

Yes, I am totally shedding tears and losing sleep over your posts.  Some naive fools would just explain that last thing I said previously as a throwaway humorous reference, but no: your clear insight has seen right through me.

No, seriously.  Your dealbreakers appear to be "the game as it was."  I'm not seeing a whole lot of anything positive about the game from you and a whole lot of taking NCSoft's side.  If the game comes back, it will most likely come back with your dealbreakers fully in effect.

I'm willing to allow that I could be horribly misjudging you.  But I would need to know what motivates your participation here, because my attempts to discern it on my own leads me to some negative conclusions.

So.  Why are you here?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on July 08, 2013, 05:26:01 AM
Yes, I am totally shedding tears and losing sleep over your posts.  Some naive fools would just explain that last thing I said previously as a throwaway humorous reference, but no: your clear insight has seen right through me.

No, seriously.  Your dealbreakers appear to be "the game as it was."  I'm not seeing a whole lot of anything positive about the game from you and a whole lot of taking NCSoft's side.  If the game comes back, it will most likely come back with your dealbreakers fully in effect.

Riiight and if the game does come back especially under NCSOFT term, you think they are going to do your demands? Not likely. But those are my dealbreakers you have your. The title of the thread was "If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?" I took "you" in the threead topic to mean what will stop that particular person. Not What will stop Pinnacle Blue. So thus, I said what will stop me. Which boils down to if theg ame ends up more fun than whatI'm playing now and or at the time it does return assuming i nthe context of the question that is does, then I will return. If not, then I wont. Simple as that.  Some say nothing, some say as long as NCSOFT if not involved and some say other things. Those are what would stop or not stop in some cases, people.


I'm willing to allow that I could be horribly misjudging you.  But I would need to know what motivates your participation here, because my attempts to discern it on my own leads me to some negative conclusions.

So.  Why are you here?

See that is your problem. You think you "need" to know why I am here. The fact of the matter you dont "need" to know anything. Now I would gladly answer that question, but see, usually in these circumstances when soemone ask that, they are not looking for a reason to anything. They could care less for a reason. They already have a reason made up in their mind and no matter what reason is stated, it will end up just creating more animosity as they will completely dismiss that reason in order to create more animsity. So lets cut the crap and cut to the chase. I dont think you are looking for a true honest answer to that. You're just looking for something else to attack. Yet, just in case I'm wrong, I'lll answer your question partically. If you are truely interested in the reason you'll find it as easily as the other stuff you find to attack. It didnt take you no problem to find the post from MArch 2 only to dismiss it and call it stupid because it didnt fit your deal breakers. So I assume you'll if you truely want the answer will have no problem finding your answer in my past post where I directly answer that question.

But I'm here for many reasons. But none of those reason have you in mind.

I stated my reasons for being here many times. A couple I actually go into depth. The answer you seek, if you are truely actually seeking them, lies within those posts, a couple are actually from that time period of March iirc.

Yet I cant lie and cant say I was kind of wonderign the same thing about you. Why are you here? To root out opinions that dont match your own and attack them and the person? You dont have many posts yet but seems like a good number of them, well most of them, that is all you seem to do. And of course spill hate about NCSOFT. Alright we get it, you hate ncsoft and wont give them another dime and you want a class action suit for them shutting down "your" game. Even in your deal breakers, you come off as it's all about you. You say as long they promise to not do it to "this" game.  What about the others? Oh right, you dont care if they shut down the other games or any game. It's only an issue because they shut down "your" game and now it's wrong, but it is just and proper when they do it to others. It's all about you and your feelings. Damn everyone one else right? It's stupid for peopel to play their other titles, even though people do and have and will. Because you decided to not give them another dime anyone that does is stupid in your eyes. Yet I bet if they continued to shut down other games as they have in the past and COX wasnt the first if you was paying attention, you wouldnt care. You'd give NCSOFT all your money if you could. The action itself is not what you believe asa dick move. What was a dick move is that it was "your" game. But it wasnt a dick move when it happened to those other games.

But since it did happen to "your" game and now it's a dick move, and you feel a certain way about it, to you, as you come off and as you have stated, feeling any other way besides how you feel is absurd especially if someone choose with their own money to play another title of NCSOFT.

But one thing I can tell you dealing with why are people here. I know why some people are not here. Because people like you think they must hate NCSOFT to be here. All you been doing is adding to that stereotype, that whether you believe it or not, is not a requirement of being here.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 05:35:03 AM
Fair enough.  The only reason I addressed your post was because I found the thread interesting enough to go to page 1, which is where your post happened to be, and because it looked to me like part of a pattern.  I guess I'll attempt to locate your posts from March, then, when I get bored again.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Captain Electric on July 08, 2013, 05:36:42 AM
Just throwing this out there, but nothing in the forum topic suggests that we should interrogate each other regarding our answers.

I'm a proud NCSoft-boycotting City of Heroes fan. I get the impetus behind some of what you've posted around here lately Pinnacle. I even agree with some of it. Just not the parts that seem to challenge the value of anyone else's participation here. Yes, there are big fans of NCSoft here, but they are not the ones at fault. Some of them are helping to rebuild our lost world, or new worlds to fill the void. Some of them are Titan Network staff. No offense, but what are YOU doing to help? Personally, the friends I have in that camp, I'm not going to jeopardize those friendships on account of VIDEO GAMES. That would be pretty frakking cheap, don't you think?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 05:43:23 AM
BTW, when I say "fair enough" I am not including this portion of your post:

Yet I cant lie and cant say I was kind of wonderign the same thing about you. Why are you here? To root out opinions that dont match your own and attack them and the person? You dont have many posts yet but seems like a good number of them, well most of them, that is all you seem to do. And of course spill hate about NCSOFT. Alright we get it, you hate ncsoft and wont give them another dime and you want a class action suit for them shutting down "your" game. Even in your deal breakers, you come off as it's all about you. You say as long they promise to not do it to "this" game.  What about the others? Oh right, you dont care if they shut down the other games or any game. It's only an issue because they shut down "your" game and now it's wrong, but it is just and proper when they do it to others. It's all about you and your feelings. Damn everyone one else right? It's stupid for peopel to play their other titles, even though people do and have and will. Because you decided to not give them another dime anyone that does is stupid in your eyes. Yet I bet if they continued to shut down other games as they have in the past and COX wasnt the first if you was paying attention, you wouldnt care. You'd give NCSOFT all your money if you could. The action itself is not what you believe asa dick move. What was a dick move is that it was "your" game. But it wasnt a dick move when it happened to those other games.

But since it did happen to "your" game and now it's a dick move, and you feel a certain way about it, to you, as you come off and as you have stated, feeling any other way besides how you feel is absurd especially if someone choose with their own money to play another title of NCSOFT.

I'm here because I want CoX back, and I'm willing to do whatever I can, however insignificant it is.  I miss the game and I miss the people I played it with, even though I soloed a lot.

I never played any other NCSoft games so I have no feelings about them whatsoever and never have.  I don't know if Tabula Rasa or Auto Assault were even profitable (like CoX was).  I sympathize with the players of those games, however, because the #1 MMO killer got us too.  I don't know what you were trying to accomplish by introducing that bizarre tangent.

As for my feelings toward NCSoft, I'm hardly alone.  If I come up with an idea that will hurt NCSoft to the extent that they sell the game just to get rid of the trouble holding on to it would cause, and it's something that I can legally do, then I'm going to do it, period, end of story.

And really, putting "your" in scare-quotes when everyone able to discern context knows I'm speaking tongue-in-cheek does not paint you in a good light any more than it paints me in a bad one.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on July 08, 2013, 05:55:52 AM
BTW, when I say "fair enough" I am not including this portion of your post:

I'm here because I want CoX back, and I'm willing to do whatever I can, however insignificant it is.  I miss the game and I miss the people I played it with, even though I soloed a lot.

I never played any other NCSoft games so I have no feelings about them whatsoever and never have.  I don't know if Tabula Rasa or Auto Assault were even profitable (like CoX was).  I sympathize with the players of those games, however, because the #1 MMO killer got us too.  I don't know what you were trying to accomplish by introducing that bizarre tangent.

As for my feelings toward NCSoft, I'm hardly alone.  If I come up with an idea that will hurt NCSoft to the extent that they sell the game just to get rid of the trouble holding on to it would cause, and it's something that I can legally do, then I'm going to do it, period, end of story.

And really, putting "your" in scare-quotes when everyone able to discern context knows I'm speaking tongue-in-cheek does not paint you in a good light any more than it paints me in a bad one.

never said you was alone. In fact, most of the people, that I get along with just fine here, would rip NCSOFT apart limb by limb if thye was given an opportunity in a steel cage with no hesistation.

And that tangent isnt as bizzarre. You the one that made it a point in your deal breaker that you will return if they promise to not do the shut down again to THIS game. Well then, what about other games? You would still give money to them if they continued to shut down other games? And of course you probably dont know if games like Auto Assault or Tabula RAsa was profitbale because when they shut it down you didnt even care to look into it. That is what I'm saying. As long as they left your game alone, you could care less and continued to give NCSOFT money, even though when they shut down your game it's now a dick move. Wasnt it a dick move then? I would think so. Yet, you continued to give money to NCSOFT, so even if it was your game, what is wrong with people choosing to continue to give NCSOFT money still? SOme COX players were Auto Assault transplants, some were Tabula Rasa transplants. Yet you did not question that logic when they chose to move on to another NCSOFT title, your game. But since they still choose to move on to another NCSOFT title but since the victim is now your game, it's now a problem to do so now. Why is that? Whether you are alone or not is irrelevant unless you are the type that feel what ever the crowd is feeling for the fear of being alone. But that is a different story different topic.

And what have you done legally to pursue your goal? I see you suggested it in between attacking other's opinions and ideas. But have you even made a move towards your own goal? Have you started a class action suit? Have you even contacted a lawyer to see if it would be good to do? It might be and if it is, go for it. Do what you have to do. That is why you are here aint it? But what have you done actually outside throw a few ideas out there and your opinion and attack any opinion that idfferent from yours or call the action of moving to another ncsoft stupid? Are you moving on to another ncsoft title? I would think not judging by your comments. And that is your choice. Let others have their without attacking them. Some may think it's stupid for you holding on to that anger and hate while not doing anything and instead going around calling other people decisions, which are not yours to make, stupid.

Oh by the way my deal breaker doesnt only apply to COX it applies to any game since 2011. When I look at a game those are some of the stuff I look for. Only thing new is the marketing thing. I think it was or rather lack of marketing that helped the downfall and didnt allow COX to reach it's full potential in population level and after that I wont be itching to enter another unknown game that no one knows about. And that is just me. And I dont think that other threshold people have is neither right or wrong. It's merely their threshold of personal choice. I like choice. Its a wonderful thing. The downside is that sometimes that choice wont always line up with what I would have done. I respect that. Do you?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 05:57:45 AM
Just throwing this out there, but nothing in the forum topic suggests that we should interrogate each other regarding our answers.

I'm a proud NCSoft-boycotting City of Heroes fan. I get the impetus behind some of what you've posted around here lately Pinnacle. I even agree with some of it. Just not the parts that seem to challenge the value of anyone else's participation here. Yes, there are big fans of NCSoft here, but they are not the ones at fault. Some of them are helping to rebuild our lost world, or new worlds to fill the void. Some of them are Titan Network staff. No offense, but what are YOU doing to help? Personally, the friends I have in that camp, I'm not going to jeopardize those friendships on account of VIDEO GAMES. That would be pretty frakking cheap, don't you think?

I'm not sure you understand me.  See, I don't want to challenge the value of anyone's participation.  To me, though, JaguarX's participation seems determinedly counterproductive.  I could be 180 degrees to the facts on that, I admit, and he's pointed me in the direction of, if not directly at, the posts he's made explaining why he's here.  So, once I get bored enough to sift through the gigantic mound of posts in question, I guess I'll know.  The thing is, I've been ignoring or dismissing most of his posts as "Jaguar being Jaguar" but when I saw him justify what NCSoft did using either NCSoft's words (or a reasonable approximation thereof), I'm pretty sure I lost it, and I haven't quite gotten it back yet.  (I don't remember which thread it was in, but I'll likely run across the post I'm talking about while I'm sifting.)

As for me?  The only thing I can do with my limited resources is write a letter-- which I'm still editing, as I want to get it as close to perfect as I can.  I'll post it in the appropriate thread when it's done before I send it off to Google.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 05:58:59 AM
Some may think it's stupid for you holding on to that anger and hate while not doing anything and instead going around calling other people decisions, which are not yours to make, stupid.

You're out of bounds here.  The worst thing I've called you is an admitted NCSoft shareholder.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pinnacle Blue on July 08, 2013, 06:04:50 AM
never said you was alone. In fact, most of the people, that I get along with just fine here, would rip NCSOFT apart limb by limb if thye was given an opportunity in a steel cage with no hesistation.

And that tangent isnt as bizzarre. You the one that made it a point in your deal breaker that you will return if they promise to not do the shut down again to THIS game. Well then, what about other games? You would still give money to them if they continued to shut down other games? And of course you probably dont know if games like Auto Assault or Tabula RAsa was profitbale because when they shut it down you didnt even care to look into it.

I didn't know they had ever existed.  Period.  Between 2005 and 2010 I didn't play any MMOs.  Late 2010 I got into CoX, then I gave it up for a little bit, then got back into it.  It's not that I didn't care.  It's that I didn't know.  I'm hardly the world's most enthusiastic MMOer, as I just let my subscription to EQ lapse.

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And what have you done legally to pursue your goal? I see you suggested it in between attacking other's opinions and ideas. But have you even made a move towards your own goal? Have you started a class action suit? Have you even contacted a lawyer to see if it would be good to do? It might be and if it is, go for it. Do what you have to do. That is why you are here aint it?

Wrong.  All talk of class action suits was quashed quite a while back when somebody else suggested it.  My, but you're getting defensive.  Stock price going down?

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But what have you done actually outside throw a few ideas out there and your opinion and attack any opinion that idfferent from yours or call the action of moving to another ncsoft stupid? Are you moving on to another ncsoft title? I would think not judging by your comments. And that is your choice. Let others have their without attacking them.

Yeah, I'm inclined at this point to believe that the only reason you're here is to try and get people to give money to a company you're invested in.  You're acting like I'm threatening that investment.

Hey, guess what?  I AM.  :D  It's not even a plausible or credible threat-- just a statement of what I would like to do.  But you're reacting as though I've got pictures of NCSoft upper management in compromising positions with goats.  That's telling.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Aggelakis on July 08, 2013, 06:07:43 AM
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Okie dokie. I think this line of conversation is QUITE over. We're now at the point where you're just sniping at each other, so let's leave it at that. Let's get back to the topic: If CoH came back, what might stop you? (If you've already answered, feel free to answer again, or discuss others' answers, WITHOUT ruffling feathers.)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mythic13 on July 08, 2013, 06:16:04 AM
I had some fun on CoH during it's run but theres no way I would play it again.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Captain Electric on July 08, 2013, 06:29:23 AM
I had some fun on CoH during it's run but theres no way I would play it again.

Those are fighting words! (Kidding...)

(Maybe...)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: JaguarX on July 08, 2013, 06:33:37 AM
I had some fun on CoH during it's run but theres no way I would play it again.
cool stuff.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mythic13 on July 08, 2013, 06:42:00 AM
Those are fighting words! (Kidding...)

(Maybe...)

I think I remember you on the official forums. I never used them much but I recognize some people.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mythic13 on July 08, 2013, 06:42:18 AM
cool stuff.

Ya I agree
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Captain Electric on July 08, 2013, 07:48:40 AM
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. They say a picture is worth a thousa-- HURRR

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(Sort of like the Hulk, I turn into an ill Japanese woman whenever I'm angry.)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: LadyShin on May 09, 2014, 02:59:52 AM
If COH comes back I would like the downtime to be woven into the storyline.

You're introduced to a cutscene right off the bat. Radio comm signal loaded with static, from either Longbow or Arachnos, not to you but rather the search & rescue teams that have been dispatched to dig up the remains of those who were caught in the disaster from the rubble.

Wait, what disaster?

That's right, you blacked out the moment the Coming Storm struck.

You were buried under thousands of tons of rubble, but by some miracle managed to survive for god knows how long under fallen structures and other debris.

Your once great powers seem to have dwindled away, seems like the Well has nearly abandoned you.

As you get your bearings, you look up in the sky, and see a disjointed reality: The world as you know it has been partially merged with the realm of Ouroboros, one of the floating continents of that area now resting broken in the heart of the city. The sky is shot through with ribbons of energy, occasionally bits of that other realm fading into view before slowly disappearing.

It's up to you to re-awaken your powers of the Well of Furies, achieve new greatness and go back in time to set things right.

And oh yeah.

Your former allies?

They don't remember you.

Good luck.

 8)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: The Fifth Horseman on May 09, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
Woven into the storyline?
Easy.
Everyone blacked out for a fraction of a second. According to everything we can tell, Earth has moved forward in time by two years. It's a Nemesis Mender Silos plot
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ohioknight on May 09, 2014, 05:18:20 PM
If COH comes back I would like the downtime to be woven into the storyline.

You're introduced to a cutscene right off the bat. Radio comm signal loaded with static, from either Longbow or Arachnos, not to you but rather the search & rescue teams that have been dispatched to dig up the remains of those who were caught in the disaster from the rubble.


Personally, I think the perfect cutscene would be AA's "Unity" video - Chasing the Shadows Away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyn_YuMLSNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyn_YuMLSNc)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Triplash on May 09, 2014, 10:53:07 PM
Personally, I think the perfect cutscene would be AA's "Unity" video - Chasing the Shadows Away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyn_YuMLSNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyn_YuMLSNc)

I gotta be honest, when I first saw that video it felt like that was what was actually happening. (Symbolically I mean, not literally, heh :P )  The citizens, the NPCs and most of our characters have slipped into a kind of stasis, while a few select supers volunteered to stand guard over the others. Inside their universe they fight together to push back the darkness, draining every last bit of their collective strength just to hold the world together. And from our end, we struggle to reconnect with their world so they can all reawaken and begin to heal. Actually, it's got a bit of an Alpha and Omega Team vibe to it when I think of it that way.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Sajaana on May 10, 2014, 08:53:17 PM
Sajaana might be too out of shape after two years on the couch to run around Paragon City like she used to do.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Solitaire on May 10, 2014, 09:39:28 PM
I'd certainly love to see CoH come back and I would most likely want to support anyone who decided to stick their neck out and reboot the servers. I was just wondering, what might be a dealbreaker to you coming back to CoH?

1. All player data being reset/lost. We all have to make new accounts and everything we bought, vet powers earned and characters made were lost. Starting over at level 1 with no characters. I would be annoyed but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.
2. No further developments or changes. Game in maintenance mode. (Issue 23) That is tough knowing the game will no longer evolve.
2a. No successor.
3. Radical changes to the game. Adding in or removal of "key" features. Fairly generic catagory but its possible if the game came back the powers to be decieded to add some new feature like open world pvp or say removed bases or inventions. This might be too generic but just a topic of things changed which might make me not want to come back.

Nothing would stop me!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: chuckv3 on May 11, 2014, 01:17:13 AM
The only thing that would even slow me down is spouse aggro.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: MWRuger on May 11, 2014, 04:03:56 AM
Short of my own death, i can think of nothing.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: KingsGambit on May 12, 2014, 01:32:23 AM
I'd miss my vet perks and powers :-D

I loved logging in with a brand new alt for the first time, and waiting almost a minute for all the popups to stop. Then I'd start claiming all the rewards and sorting my power tray...Pocket D jump pack/VIP Pass, beast/ninja run, sands of mu, nemesis staff, remove fog of war, etc, etc. Not to mention the ability to pick travel powers at 6. I loved that my investment, play and commitment over the years gave me a much better QoL and enjoyable start to the life of an alt. I don't think I could break out of prison again, find Kalinda and go through it all again without those perks.

I also had so many free respecs/tailor tokens that even with a new character, I could probably go through their entire career and never pay for either (or do the trials, though I usually did them for the badges anyway).
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Reiraku on May 12, 2014, 01:45:22 AM
The only thing that would even slow me down is spouse aggro.

That would only speed me up, I think. After all, we named our son after Lord Recluse...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: MWRuger on May 14, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
I'd miss my vet perks and powers :-D

I loved logging in with a brand new alt for the first time, and waiting almost a minute for all the popups to stop. Then I'd start claiming all the rewards and sorting my power tray...Pocket D jump pack/VIP Pass, beast/ninja run, sands of mu, nemesis staff, remove fog of war, etc, etc. Not to mention the ability to pick travel powers at 6. I loved that my investment, play and commitment over the years gave me a much better QoL and enjoyable start to the life of an alt. I don't think I could break out of prison again, find Kalinda and go through it all again without those perks.

I also had so many free respecs/tailor tokens that even with a new character, I could probably go through their entire career and never pay for either (or do the trials, though I usually did them for the badges anyway).

Yeah, that was awesome! It really made the low level stuff fun.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Styrj on May 14, 2014, 10:53:14 PM
The biggest deal breaker for me would be open (I.E., unavoidable) PVP.  Let me play my PVE and I'm a happy camper.

1)  Forced PVP.
2)  Having the game turned into a Pay-to-Win scenario.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Stratoburst on May 14, 2014, 11:19:37 PM
As long as no radical changes were made to CoH, the only thing stopping me is that I'm enrolled in an Accounting program right now (Western Governors University), and I'm trying to accelerate through the program.  In other words, gaming time is severely restricted.

After that however....Stratoburst (my Peacebringer) flies again!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Sugoi on May 15, 2014, 04:01:01 AM
Not a darn thing!

A RL friend of mine and I had this very discussion while watching some classic CoH videos on YouTube last weekend.  We both agreed that even if we had to start over fresh, it wouldn't be much different from what we had been doing for years, levelling clones of our favorites on different servers or trying new power concepts as they appeared.

And now that I'm retired, I'd have even more time to help out!

How retired am I?  Well, when I was young, to get to school, I had to fly thru a tornado... both ways!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: æhæd on May 15, 2014, 04:51:08 AM
I'd be in to see the I24 content. After that, "development" might be up to the community to devise. I'd be keen to see where that goes. Player-run events may have some way to expand considering AE. It would likely be a smaller crowd, but could be managed on fewer (one?) servers. I don't mind starting toons over.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: blacksly on May 15, 2014, 04:03:54 PM
Out of all of the complaints that I've seen in this thread, I can't think of one that would be a deal breaker and is in any way likely.

The only deal breaker would be open PvP in all areas, and that's not going to happen.

Otherwise... pay "wall", or gated content? I was paying a subscription for years, that wouldn't bother me at all.
Having to re-make characters? A shame to lose the influence and IO collections, but they can be built up again.

As a plus, I would be in the advance login group for sure, and would have a better chance to snag some snazzy names.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: MWRuger on May 15, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
Out of all of the complaints that I've seen in this thread, I can't think of one that would be a deal breaker and is in any way likely.

The only deal breaker would be open PvP in all areas, and that's not going to happen.

Otherwise... pay "wall", or gated content? I was paying a subscription for years, that wouldn't bother me at all.
Having to re-make characters? A shame to lose the influence and IO collections, but they can be built up again.

As a plus, I would be in the advance login group for sure, and would have a better chance to snag some snazzy names.

This.

I'm sorta on the fence about the naming thing. While it is nice to be able to get the exact name you want in CO it was amazing to see the creativity of players when Captain Awesome wasn't available: Cap'n Awesome, Captain Awesomesauce, Captain Aww-some, (various other ranks) awesome, Kapitain Awesome and maybe about a hundred other variants. I would hate to lose that.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: FourSpeed on May 16, 2014, 10:35:10 PM
Out of all of the complaints that I've seen in this thread, I can't think of one that would be a deal breaker and is in any way likely.

The only deal breaker would be open PvP in all areas, and that's not going to happen.

Otherwise... pay "wall", or gated content? I was paying a subscription for years, that wouldn't bother me at all.
Having to re-make characters? A shame to lose the influence and IO collections, but they can be built up again.

As a plus, I would be in the advance login group for sure, and would have a better chance to snag some snazzy names.
Well, apart from the obvious "dying thing", the one that would, unquestionably keep me out of the
game would be NCSoft having *any* position of involvement, control, or management of the game.

Absolute deal-breaker for me.

While many of the other points would have varying degrees of annoyance or frustration for me,
NCsoft needs to be 100% completely out of the picture before I'd even give any thought to a return.

They're totally done for the remainder of my life - absolutely zero give or grey area on that point.

Everything else is negotiable.


Regards,
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Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Zombie Hustler on May 17, 2014, 05:17:51 AM
Neither Heaven, nor Earth, nor anything 'twixt.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Tahliah on May 24, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
I'd certainly love to see CoH come back and I would most likely want to support anyone who decided to stick their neck out and reboot the servers. I was just wondering, what might be a dealbreaker to you coming back to CoH?

1. All player data being reset/lost. We all have to make new accounts and everything we bought, vet powers earned and characters made were lost. Starting over at level 1 with no characters. I would be annoyed but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.
2. No further developments or changes. Game in maintenance mode. (Issue 23) That is tough knowing the game will no longer evolve.
2a. No successor.
3. Radical changes to the game. Adding in or removal of "key" features. Fairly generic catagory but its possible if the game came back the powers to be decieded to add some new feature like open world pvp or say removed bases or inventions. This might be too generic but just a topic of things changed which might make me not want to come back.

Nothing would stop me from logging back on and checking it out (and yes, re-subscribing).  I wouldn't be thrilled if all our stuff was gone, but after all this time, it seems pretty likely that it will be.  *Shrug*  I saved all my toon builds and would just rebuild the ones I wanted to and start over on the ones I didn't.

I hadn't done so much of the newer stuff (since about GR, though I did go through Praetoria a few times and had a blast), thinking I had all the time in the world, that further development wouldn't be a problem for me.  There was so much that I didn't do or see or experience.  *Sob*  I'd be kept busy for years with everything up to i23 (I'd be a teeny bit bummed that we didn't get i24, though, I was soooo looking forward to the blaster love, but given that I'm heartbroken that COH is gone, that's nothing at all.).

Well, okay, maybe if they got rid of all the instanced missions and added freaking dungeons that had to be grinded for days and all that cookie cutter crap from every other game out there, I'd not be happy and likely wouldn't stay for long.  If it were open world pvp, I wouldn't even log on to look at it.  Blech.  But then, if they did any or all of that (including getting rid of bases or the invention system; well, I'd play without those probably), it wouldn't be CoX, so I wouldn't be missing anything.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Angel Phoenix77 on May 25, 2014, 08:08:17 PM
Nothing would stop me, I would comeback and become a lifetime sub to City of :) (I know there wont be a lifetime sub :) )
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: ukaserex on May 25, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
Real life.

This may not be a popular notion, but honestly, without me logging in to CoH/V every day, I've lost 60 pounds. (I can see muscles in my stomach! I'm 47! I've never seen muscles in my stomach before!
I've saved thousands of dollars, I've gotten several raises and gosh-golly, even made several real-life friends that I otherwise wouldn't have made because I would have been playing CoH instead.

I would still want to play, but I'd never be able to play with the same passion and intensity as I did before. I'd turn into one of those..."casual" gamers, who only played for an hour or so on the weekends. So very little time, it's hardly worth it, in my opinion. (Relax, nobody's ever paid dime one for my opinions)

Yes, I still miss leading the iTrials.
I still miss being led in iTrials and even task forces and ITF, specifically. Atta. Frostfire. The Striga Arcs. Soloing Dreck with my blaster and a fair amount of purple inspirations. I even miss the drama of LB, a chat channel on Liberty.

I miss the market and farming.
Generating all that inf for no other purpose than to just spend it if I needed to do so..that was the best feeling of all.
I also wish I'd gotten a little more into RP and had been less vocal about my in-game disappointments in other players. It all seems kind of silly to get upset over some player not paying attention and blowing up a bomb in the UGT. ...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: CMKook on May 29, 2014, 10:11:48 AM
the one thing that might stop me is if NCsoft still owned it or had any control over any part of it that would allow them to shut it down again on whim like last time
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Fleur_uk on May 29, 2014, 09:52:15 PM
Nothing.... if we get it back :-\  I've been surfing and ug :(   Read one article on tentonhammer, regarding mmograveyard, obviously CoH was there but the amount of NCsoft games have been vitual killed off is almost depressing, perhaps a few rightly so...but wow it was quite sad.
What got me down was I read a comment somewhere someone said, that NCsoft has been responsible for 1/3 of cancelled/killed mmo's.  And of all those mmo's not one has been sold, or brought back.  :( 
I've been so hopeful, up till I read that.  I really hope CoH will be the exception to that comment.  I miss this game ever so much.  So if it does come back, Nothing would hold me back.  Apologies for moan and going slightly off topic.  xx
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Mistress Urd on May 29, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
I always tell people never is a long time.

Revisiting this topic, interests change and markets change too. I'm sure if the servers were turned back on today, people would be happy to come back. As to the % no one knows and its not clear how long people would stay. I'm playing a different MMO but the hours I log per week aren't even close to what I put in with CoH. I've used the past two years going to school at night and sharpening up my skills for more interesting work.

If the characters were reset and all of our character data was lost, I'd probably have to think really hard about wanting to come back. The other thing would be game development, is the game going to continue to evolve or just be in maintenance mode. I think in the end neither would stop me, but I probably wouldn't play all that much.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: LadyShin on May 30, 2014, 05:22:08 PM
Maybe offtopic...

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=unsubject.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F01%2Fcoh_daddy_heaven.jpg)

This gives me chills.   :gonk:
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Netzahualcoyotl on July 22, 2014, 07:00:12 AM
Nothing at all - I may (MAY) have a twinge if NCSoft is still involved, but I would still be there... and in light of current events, this seems more likely with each passing day! ;)

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,9675

http://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/29wow9/update_on_the_the_deal_with_ncsoft/

http://www.reddit.com/r/Cityofheroes/comments/2aam6c/anything_new_on_the_deal_to_get_cox_back/
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Twi on July 22, 2014, 12:16:28 PM
A gunshot to my head.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Power Gamer on July 22, 2014, 02:39:29 PM
Real life.

This may not be a popular notion, but honestly, without me logging in to CoH/V every day, I've lost 60 pounds. (I can see muscles in my stomach! I'm 47! I've never seen muscles in my stomach before!
I've saved thousands of dollars, I've gotten several raises and gosh-golly, even made several real-life friends that I otherwise wouldn't have made because I would have been playing CoH instead.

I would still want to play, but I'd never be able to play with the same passion and intensity as I did before. I'd turn into one of those..."casual" gamers, who only played for an hour or so on the weekends. So very little time, it's hardly worth it, in my opinion. (Relax, nobody's ever paid dime one for my opinions)

Yes, I still miss leading the iTrials.
I still miss being led in iTrials and even task forces and ITF, specifically. Atta. Frostfire. The Striga Arcs. Soloing Dreck with my blaster and a fair amount of purple inspirations. I even miss the drama of LB, a chat channel on Liberty.

I miss the market and farming.
Generating all that inf for no other purpose than to just spend it if I needed to do so..that was the best feeling of all.
I also wish I'd gotten a little more into RP and had been less vocal about my in-game disappointments in other players. It all seems kind of silly to get upset over some player not paying attention and blowing up a bomb in the UGT. ...

Good on ya mate!

150lbs lost here!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Relitner on July 22, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
I'll echo the compulsory PvP concern.
Starting with empty character slots would have no impact on my decision to return. The price tag may cause me some hesitation, but I'd have to see what it is first.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: hejtmane on July 22, 2014, 03:29:09 PM
New, idiotic developers that don't know half the pancake we have experienced and openly say that Paragon "Were amatuers". This would infuriate me beyond anything...And remind me of Diablo 3.

I am playing Diablo III a little but it sucks and the current PTR changes are a joke when you by pass over 90% of the attacks as a barb and every build tries to avoid using spenders and you buff the part that is already powerful further moving away from spenders then your dev team is stupid. Diablo III dev team is the worse I have ever seen in understanding balance and fixing what is broken.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Angel Phoenix77 on July 22, 2014, 05:03:25 PM
nothing will stop me from playing again, I have quit playing sto and champions and the only other game I am somewhat playing is secret world (need blue gear to face the final enemy in the red sand arc).
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: MaidMercury on July 25, 2014, 04:33:27 AM
Not sure...even though I visit here...

Real life has kicked in since the shut down almost 2 years ago, I might play or not play.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Castegyre on July 25, 2014, 07:21:29 AM
I miss CoH quite a bit and I would play it if it came back. I don't know if it could ever be my main game again, though. After over 15 years of playing MMOs I feel burned out on a lot of the old genre standards. CoH is different in a lot of ways, but in other ways it's just more of, or variations on, the same. I look at the potential of what games like EQNext could bring to the genre and while I love CoH I don't see how it could compete as my primary game. I'd pay a sub to support it and I would play occasionally, but I think that'd be it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Serpine on July 25, 2014, 08:37:44 AM
While it is nice to be able to get the exact name you want in CO it was amazing to see the creativity of players when Captain Awesome wasn't available: Cap'n Awesome, Captain Awesomesauce, Captain Aww-some, (various other ranks) awesome, Kapitain Awesome and maybe about a hundred other variants. I would hate to lose that.
I don't know, for every "Captain MC Awesomepants" that situation created there were a dozen guys named things like "Captain Awesome ##", where ## was the next sequential number available. :)

As to the main topic of this thread, even an owning company I'm not fond of or the oft mentioned open world PvP would not keep me away. The only things that I could see keeping me from playing a relaunched CoH or a CoH2 on some level would be:
  1) Something totally external related to real life.
  2) Total abandonment of the gameplay style (i.e. if it ever plays like NW, something horrible has happened).
  3) Character customization is removed: Everybody now has a generic look for the archetype.
  4) An insane subscription price (Only $30 a month! Act now while supplies last!)
  5) That I somehow ended up actually working on it myself, in which case I'd be mostly to busy to play. :)

So odds are, when the time comes, I'll be playing the game.

This may not be a popular notion, but honestly, without me logging in to CoH/V every day, I've lost 60 pounds.
I actually lost that amount of weight when still playing CoH regularly, and gained it back since its been gone. CoH let me interact with a lot of my friends that no longer lived in the same real world city which improved my mood, and it made it harder to snack then when camped mindlessly in front of a TV. :) WeightWatchers helped to of course... I have to rejoin that sometime.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Waffles on July 25, 2014, 04:27:58 PM
Broken arms and/or blindness.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Plinkyplonk on November 13, 2014, 09:38:23 AM
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Power Gamer on November 13, 2014, 12:11:49 PM
a major organ exploding unexpectantly
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: erich on November 13, 2014, 09:11:24 PM
Nothing! With the ESO and ArcheAge failures...I can't use a word to describe how badly I'm ready for my COH game to return.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: silvers1 on November 13, 2014, 10:42:48 PM
1.  Unreasonable charges way out of line with what the game was charging at close.

2.  Major changes to gameplay that put it out of line with what I enjoy.

3.  Introduction of any pay2win elements that are so common in the newer games.

4.  Not sure if this would stop me, but it might give me pause.  If they promise to bring the game back and it stays static
with no further releases.   I quit GW1 because of this.

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Burnt Toast on November 13, 2014, 11:14:44 PM

1. Highly doubtful... they want to entice as many players to play Issue 23 CoH as possible.


2. They won't be making changes... the game will be just like it was the day the servers shut down.


3. See 1 & 2.


4. CoH when it comes back WILL be a static game... stuck in Issue 23... UNTIL CoH 1.5 (Atlas Park Revival) is completed.



1.  Unreasonable charges way out of line with what the game was charging at close.

2.  Major changes to gameplay that put it out of line with what I enjoy.

3.  Introduction of any pay2win elements that are so common in the newer games.

4.  Not sure if this would stop me, but it might give me pause.  If they promise to bring the game back and it stays static
with no further releases.   I quit GW1 because of this.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: silvers1 on November 14, 2014, 12:48:09 AM
4. CoH when it comes back WILL be a static game... stuck in Issue 23... UNTIL CoH 1.5 (Atlas Park Revival) is completed.

Oh well, then I guess I'll wait for 1.5 - unless there's a character transfer option from the static game over to 1.5

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Eoraptor on November 14, 2014, 03:54:47 AM
character transfers are unlikely, that would either require knowledge of the server data or a static import system like titan.

the former would violate the proposed terms of the IP sale, the latter would be a huge backdoor into cheating AP1.5 by uploading artificially enhanced toons or accounts.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ultimate15 on November 14, 2014, 04:36:52 AM
1. Highly doubtful... they want to entice as many players to play Issue 23 CoH as possible.


2. They won't be making changes... the game will be just like it was the day the servers shut down.


3. See 1 & 2.


4. CoH when it comes back WILL be a static game... stuck in Issue 23... UNTIL CoH 1.5 (Atlas Park Revival) is completed.

This pretty much quiets any fears I might have with the re-release of COH. Totally willing to pay month-to-month (within reason, obviously - and there is no doubt in my mind that it will be) and I could care less about starting over with all of my characters. I was a 7 year veteran, but the character's were only part of the experience for me - it was the world I was able to immerse myself in, and the community of players I met in game that reeeeeeeeally weigh heavily on my mind even to this day.

ALSO...and I dunno if Irish Girl will see this or not...but just from a marketing/PR standpoint? I would just title the re-vamped version of COH @ I23 ported over to Unreal for further development as City of Heroes 2. There's something about 1.5 that just sounds kinda elementary/silly to me? Or City of Heroes: Freedom Reborn. I DUNNO. I'M JUST SPITBALLING HERE.

Are we there yet? :D
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Takinalis on November 14, 2014, 11:50:08 PM
A SWAT Team might stop me. A super villain maybe...I don't want to think about it. A heart attack would probably stop me...
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: ukaserex on November 16, 2014, 03:41:48 AM
Currently, what would stop me is a lack of free time.

Things change. New job, new patterns of behavior. I hope that the game comes back, and I have time to play it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on November 16, 2014, 05:43:25 AM
Since it looks like we might start all over at level 1, not a deal breaker.
Adding "fun" new features, not a deal breaker.
Open world PvP, I'd hate it but not a deal breaker.
Removing key elements, AE, invention, the market, incarnate stuff, SG bases, not a deal breaker.

Deal breaker ---
Losing chat, chat channels, people with a sense of humor who can take a joke.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Power Gamer on November 16, 2014, 06:02:14 AM
-Sonny and Cher remarry
-Being crushed by a meteor
-Held for ransom in the middle of the Congo
-Torn apart by rabid, mutant bottle-nose dolphins on a meth binge
-I convert to an ultra-orthodox, vegan, glue-sniffing Amish man with a fungal infection on his big toenails
-Adopted by uppermiddle-class orangutans seeking to justify their career and life choices by living vicariously through a child with whom they have no real commitment
-Something else comes up
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: blacksly on November 16, 2014, 03:00:28 PM
character transfers are unlikely, that would either require knowledge of the server data or a static import system like titan.

the former would violate the proposed terms of the IP sale, the latter would be a huge backdoor into cheating AP1.5 by uploading artificially enhanced toons or accounts.

I can think of several ways around this. For starters, there is already some knowledge of the server data and how it affects characters, so it's likely that much of the character's data can already be translated. The rest would have to be figured out, but there would be plenty of time for that, I think, given the end payoff (full transfer of characters).

In the second issue, the idea of throwing all of your IOs into one character, transferring him over, then swapping the IOs to the next and repeating, there is probably a way around it. We don't know what server commands are included, but if there is a "delete character" command from the outside (as in, other than the owner of the account deleting it), and there probably is such a command, then it would be possible to set up the transfer command so that it deletes the character when making the transfer. That way all possessions are transferred over only once.

I'm not sure how the auction houses would be handled. Again, it depends on what handles are available for character/auction house interaction from outside of the account. Same goes for possessions in a base or vault. Still, I doubt that anyone would have too many problems about transferring even if they could only take what their character carries, especially since you'd just fill up your character slots with IO mules to carry IOs for you.

I think that, in general, everyone who is saying "this can't be done, this won't be done, etc", is probably underestimating the resourcefulness of gamers who are also programmers and are given a free license by the company to figure out the data and code for the company's own benefit (ie: character transfers, adding new powers & powersets, etc). I will be personally surprised if, a year after CoH 1.0 is active again (if it is, of course), we do not have someone who has figured out how to add new powers using existing graphics. Maybe even actual powersets, though I don't know enough about how those are indexed to be sure.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: KosmicKnight on November 25, 2014, 05:37:56 AM
Pretty much nothing would stop me.

I doubt unavoidable PvP would ever be an issue, if NCIdiocracy was running the game, that would mean too much investment in the game. If someone else were running it, it would mean a complete redo of the game anyways.... so I dont ever see that happening.

I would remake everyone from the ground up if I had to.

I often wonder exactly WHAT NCIdiocracy actually DID with our servers. Are they wiped? I would not bet a dollar that the info is stil intact. The mere thought enrages me. But what can be done once, can be done again.

The servers are being used for wildstar. Ain't that a kicker?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Noyjitat on November 25, 2014, 10:07:33 PM
Currently, what would stop me is a lack of free time.

Things change. New job, new patterns of behavior. I hope that the game comes back, and I have time to play it.

Oh I'm sure you'll find time ;) No matter what I intend to and I'll probably take a vacation day from work the day it's playable.... Probably a few days.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ironwolf on November 26, 2014, 02:26:13 PM
I was thinking what would stop me from playing and I could only come up with a Mongol Horde invasion - which immediately led me to a new alt - Yak Attack.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Captain Electric on November 26, 2014, 05:54:44 PM
I actually think it's a testament to City of Heroes, Cryptic and Paragon Studios that I might not come back to a world in which my story, my history, my characters have been irretrievably erased. Before City of Heroes, I played at least a dozen other MMOs. I'm an old-schooler. My first account in an MMORPG was created in November, 1997 (Ultima Online). I still play Ultima Online occasionally, when the itch visits me, despite having nuked my stable of characters half a dozen times. So what's so different about COH? What's different is, COH turned out to be the game that I was always looking for; one in which my stable of characters didn't feel like disposable units of stats, casually overlaid on top of game fiction that was just as disposable--just an excuse for boss fights and XP.

I'm well aware that COH is exactly that for many other players and well-loved for it. I'm not hating. That's more or less what I'd done in many other games. But I always wondered what a more immersive experience would feel like, just like pre-launch ads always promise. In COH, I was finally given all the customization tools I had ever dreamed about. I saw each new character as fresh paint on the same canvas the game's story was painted on. And almost immediately I was lucky enough to fall in with a group of other players who approached roleplay just as creatively and imaginatively. Without that final piece, I probably would have lost inspiration, eventually, caught up in the same mad rush for XP that can be found in every class-based MMO on planet Earth.

COH made this veteran MMOer less-jaded about MMOs than he had any right to be. Which is why, "just roll some more alts", isn't a respectable solution to the empty holes left on that old canvas. Remember the cartoon that was circulating around after the game closed? With the kid having his old dog taken away, his parent saying, "Here, you'll like one of these newer ones?" I took great care in character creation to carve something meaningful and worthwhile into my corner of that universe. Believe it or not, I never deleted a character, and I knew mine and my friends characters very well, like people in a story that you don't want to end. NCSoft deleted every single one of them. If they could simply be replaced, after everything I just told you, what would that say about me?

I'm not one of those people who came up with an apocalyptic tale to excuse NCSoft's digital book-burning. After all, the world of COH was an apocalypse--of epic proportions, zombies and extradimensional aliens and giant monsters--and yet we didn't think of it like that; places like Paragon City sat in the middle of it all, well-defended by our heroes, even by our villains. And in my mind, that's where I left them--defending that oasis, cleaning up Primal Earth.

Before COH closed, I easily could have played for another five years, maybe more. I don't generally put that many years into one MMO; that's testament to the game being able to keep people invested. But if I ever went back to a COH without my characters in it, there'd have to be a reason for my doing so that made sense in-universe. There are many ways that that could happen, creatively speaking. But will it serve the story, or just serve as an excuse to go back?--As an author or director might say, one of these isn't good enough. Also by that time, the launch of one or more of the game's successors might be imminent, too.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ankhammon on November 27, 2014, 06:19:05 AM
I was thinking what would stop me from playing and I could only come up with a Mongol Horde invasion - which immediately led me to a new alt - Yak Attack.

with his battle cry: "Yakity Attack! Don't talk back."
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Floride on November 29, 2014, 06:14:48 AM
An EMP. A really big EMP.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: MaidMercury on November 29, 2014, 11:10:00 PM
What would stop me from playing CoH?
the same perpetrator that ended CoH to begin with...NCsoft.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: CatMan on December 02, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
I would come back definitely.

So would my kids.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Safehouse on December 02, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
Pretty much the only thing stopping me from coming back would be open world PvP and even that wouldn't stop me, I'm sure.

Outside of that, I think even losing both my arms and my eyes would not stop me.

Boy I hope this deal happens. I'm itching to play, to sit in my three favorite zones - The Hollows, Atlas Park, Steel Canyon - and just shoot the breeze with everyone. For now I have to settle for listening to the soundtrack and writing my fan fiction.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: LaughingAlex on December 02, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Not even the numerous new games I played could really stop me from playing city of heroes.  No, my life would have to be so bad off as to not have any internet access to stop me from playing it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Harpospoke on December 09, 2014, 03:54:24 AM
Kinda scary to read about the people who have developed new habits since shutdown and how that might keep them away.   I get that.   I might struggle to find the same amount of free hours too.   Do I practice guitar less or play less basketball?   Hmmm....
On-topic, the community is what really made the game for me.

In real life, I don't really feel like part of a social group very often.  Even when I'm talking about human beings in general, I tend to say "they" or "people" instead of "we".  After the Save-the-Game campaign began, I noticed something; the CoX community is my "we".  I would give my dad updates on the situation, saying "we're gonna just keep playing until they shut the servers down" and "we have a petition going on-line" and stuff like that.

I want my "we" back.

That's all.
That's pretty damn awesome.    :)
I know people who spent hundreds of hours crafting just a few toons to make them awesome. I can see how they'd be unwilling to come back if it meant having to redo all that.

Me, I was always more interested in the story and trying out new powersets so I'd be happy to start over if it meant I had COH back.
I've got a couple of friends whom I just can't convince to come back unless they get their characters back.  As you said, they spent countless hours working on them.   They were way more into that than I was.   I only had 16 50s from 8 years of playing....that's not impressive at all from reading this forum.   So at first the prospect of losing 8 years was a big deal to me....a lvl 50 represents a huge investment of my life.   

But then various posters described ways to powerlevel characters back to 50 in a matter of days so I should be fine within a month.   I can learn how to do it I'm sure.   So my fears of characters being lost was mitigated. 

But I do get it how others might be too discouraged to come back.   I would never say, "I'm amazed at the number of people who wouldn't go back if they had to remake their characters again" or "It really confuses me too that people wouldn't be thrilled at the chance to have an excuse to recreate their main and do it BETTER that time" or "I also am surprised that so many people are saying a wipe would mean they would not bother with a relaunch".

CoX was different for everyone.   It was more than just the game mechanics to some....they felt it was a world that actually existed in some way and the characters were a big part of that.   There are emotions involved there.   Nerdy?   Yah....but without emotion I wouldn't have played either.


My only real concern now would be the cost.   I want to come back with two accounts again.   But I'm a musician for a living now so the budget isn't what it used to be.
I'd miss my vet perks and powers :-D

I loved logging in with a brand new alt for the first time, and waiting almost a minute for all the popups to stop. Then I'd start claiming all the rewards and sorting my power tray...Pocket D jump pack/VIP Pass, beast/ninja run, sands of mu, nemesis staff, remove fog of war, etc, etc. Not to mention the ability to pick travel powers at 6. I loved that my investment, play and commitment over the years gave me a much better QoL and enjoyable start to the life of an alt. I don't think I could break out of prison again, find Kalinda and go through it all again without those perks.

I also had so many free respecs/tailor tokens that even with a new character, I could probably go through their entire career and never pay for either (or do the trials, though I usually did them for the badges anyway).
That was a great "problem" to have, right?    First thing I had to do was stand there in front of Ms Liberty and sort everything out.   Sands of Mu and Nemesis Staff...sigh...I would miss those for sure.   They made it worth slotting for global acc all by themselves.   :D
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: AmberOfDzu on December 09, 2014, 07:33:18 PM
It would be daunting to get back the perks earned from years of play and/or Paragon Rewards. I had quite a few too, and I also liked setting my veteran perks up just right once I got to Atlas Park on a new character. Ahh, fond memories. :)

I suppose one thing that could keep me away would be a business model I found to be too pricey or cash-grabby. People will differ on all that, and I'm sure it's far too early to be worrying over it. I would want the reborn City of Heroes to make a little, or at least not cost any, money for the maintainers, and I trust those who're actually involved in all that are fully aware of those issues.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: robo40 on December 20, 2014, 01:18:14 PM
I would come back definitely.

So would my kids.

Second.  I can't imagine a scenario where I wouldn't come back.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Pearl Dragon on December 26, 2014, 03:05:48 AM

I will be back... I know at least 5 in our family will be back, maybe 7  :)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on December 28, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
Come to think of it, the only thing that would stop me from coming back, concerning the game, would be if it was changed to the point where it would be more like other games like Champions Online or something like that.

The enhancement system in CoX is cool, you get to decide which power gets up to all 6 slots.  And you get to decide what type and kind of enhancement goes into each slot.  Other games have skills or talents or abilities to fill in.  CoX allowed a whole lot more customization.

So, where do I sign?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: futch on December 29, 2014, 02:22:18 AM
i would go bck in a flash so would wifey ! :) :) :)
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Safehouse on December 31, 2014, 02:54:52 PM
Come to think of it, the only thing that would stop me from coming back, concerning the game, would be if it was changed to the point where it would be more like other games like Champions Online or something like that.

*snip*

After some thinking, this ^

The game I want is CoH, not something called City of Heroes that is unrecognizable.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: AmberOfDzu on December 31, 2014, 04:11:35 PM
After some thinking, this ^

The game I want is CoH, not something called City of Heroes that is unrecognizable.

I agree. There is likely good advice to be inferred from this for those making the potential successor games. It's a confluence of the game setting/lore, the mechanics of the engine, the visual style, and the rule-sets. There's room in all of these for improvements, but one would have to be careful not to go too far away. I wish I could advise how far was too far, and what would stay in the zone.

Of course, for a possible relaunch of i23, I have no such concerns. ^_^

Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Safehouse on December 31, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
I agree. There is likely good advice to be inferred from this for those making the potential successor games. It's a confluence of the game setting/lore, the mechanics of the engine, the visual style, and the rule-sets. There's room in all of these for improvements, but one would have to be careful not to go too far away. I wish I could advise how far was too far, and what would stay in the zone.

Of course, for a possible relaunch of i23, I have no such concerns. ^_^

It's part of why I have a lot of optimism for all of the successor projects, actually. Each and every one of the studios involved is comprised of people who were players and members of the CoX community. The folks involved know what really clicked for this game, and what could use some work. Of all the people into whose hands I would entrust CoX's future, these are the people with whom I'd be most comfortable. They all know that we don't want something that's so far removed from what we know and love as to be unrecognizable.

And since some of these people are involved, even if in just an advisory/sideline capacity, in the negotiations, it gives me a lot of optimism about what we'll see upon the return.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on January 01, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
Ok, the ONLY thing that would keep me away would be, clown costume Wednesdays.
Yes, if each and every Wednesday ALL the characaters and players of City of Heroes were required, by law, to dress up in clown costumes.  I'm allergic to grease paint, and a big red nose would clash with my eyes.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Waffles on February 04, 2015, 04:22:32 AM
Upon hearing the news that we're back in buisness, I run way too fast to my computer, trip over the cat, and faceplant into a pile of conveniently placed landmines, and die @.@
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Safehouse on February 04, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
Upon hearing the news that we're back in buisness, I run way too fast to my computer, trip over the cat, and faceplant into a pile of conveniently placed landmines, and die @.@

You would let that stop you?? Clearly you don't love the game as much as I do, because that wouldn't be enough to stop me.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Waffles on February 05, 2015, 02:38:47 AM
You would let that stop you?? Clearly you don't love the game as much as I do, because that wouldn't be enough to stop me.

Indeed. It would stop me.


...

Temporarily.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on February 05, 2015, 07:18:01 AM
Ok, the ONLY thing that would keep me away would be, clown costume Wednesdays.
Yes, if each and every Wednesday ALL the characaters and players of City of Heroes were required, by law, to dress up in clown costumes.  I'm allergic to grease paint, and a big red nose would clash with my eyes.

Also, ballarina Thursdays.  I would hate to see Lord Recluse dressed up like a ballarina.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Blackout on February 05, 2015, 04:44:03 PM
Also, ballarina Thursdays.  I would hate to see Lord Recluse dressed up like a ballarina.

I'm not so sure about that, I think Recluse would fit a pink tutu rather well :P. I'm also pretty down with the clown thing though, but I'm addicted to killer jester and Harlequin characters so I'm probably (Read, Definitely) biased.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Salud on February 05, 2015, 05:00:51 PM
The only thing that would stop me is the inability to get it running on Linux again.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Vee on February 05, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
Ok, the ONLY thing that would keep me away would be, clown costume Wednesdays.
Yes, if each and every Wednesday ALL the characaters and players of City of Heroes were required, by law, to dress up in clown costumes.  I'm allergic to grease paint, and a big red nose would clash with my eyes.

I totally agree - clown costumes should be Tuesdays or gtfo.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Abraxus on February 08, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
I will definitely miss the pile of vet rewards that are available for each noob I create, but I will be coming back regardless. 

I played from about 10 days after go-live, to the end (except for the last day...I just could not bring myself to watch the servers go-offline), had 25 L50 characters, many at various levels of Incarnate abilities.  My son started playing when he was about 6, and also played to the end, so he was practically raised on it.  By the end, he had a lot more than myself tied up in the markets, and crafting, but I can tell you that nothing will stop either of us from returning on day 1!

Besides, if you don't concentrate too much on what you lost, sometimes starting over can be fun in its own way.  Eventually we will all get back to where we were, and imagine all the fun you will have getting there!  Perhaps by then, the 1.5, and 2.0 versions of the game will be in Beta, and imagine how great that will be!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: UruzSix on February 25, 2015, 01:57:03 AM
I'm hip-deep in Guild Wars 2 and Guild Wars 2 roleplay these days, I adore my sylvari to pieces. That said, there's no question I'd be back. I miss my widow and my animatronic superhero, I've never been able to properly re-build them elsewhere. I'd just have to split my time wisely between the two games.  :o
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ultimate15 on March 02, 2015, 01:55:03 PM
I think the only things that would DETER me from coming back (not stop me completely, but would definitely leave a sour taste in my mouth) would be things like:

1.) A monthly pay system that was just unreasonably expensive. To the point where my finances would be all "...Okay, ouch."
 
2.) I know there were rumblings and talks of this earlier on, and I'm not sure if anything is concrete or set in stone with this...but I wouldn't want to see other toons from the other successor projects having the ability to come over to COH, and vice-versa. While I wish all of the other gaming titles in the superhero MMORPG genre the best of luck, I think everyone should just stay in their lane and remain separate games, lore and all.

3.) Any type of set-up with NCSoft (after the deal has gone through, assumingly) where if they want to pull the plug on the game like they did before, they have the power/authority to do so. Of course, beggars can't be choosers and I'll take whatever deal comes my way, as long as I get to play in Paragon again...but aside from them having certain creative jurisdiction over stuff and having their logo on everything, I would be nervous to know that they retained THAT much control over things.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Ghostly on March 03, 2015, 10:58:05 AM
"NCsoft" and "Korean politics" are definitely the most likely deterrents to actually never make me go back to COX.
But ppl found the solution didn't they ?
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on March 05, 2015, 05:29:08 PM
If all the NPC's were turned into Teddy Bears, I would have to find another game.
Teddy Bears!  Come on people!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Inc42 on March 06, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
If I was unable to find a good group or manage to get my old group back together. We had an amazing group of around 4-8 people at any given time that was on practically every night, and we did move on to other games but nothing stuck and eventually life happened and we drifted apart.

I loved CoH, but after so many years the game was not what was keeping me there. The people were. As much as I want it back, as often as I check the progress on negotiations, I just have this feeling that it will never be even close to the same.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: HeatSpike1 on March 25, 2015, 10:46:30 PM
No more updates or new content? don't care. I can play the game in i23 for years to come, there's so much content and it's different each time with a new character.

If all character data was lost? Not a problem.  I think it would be refreshing to start all over, it's kind of like we all have access to CoH for the first time again on launch day! Plus remaking your characters isn't a problem.

If NCSoft was involved? I would be cautiously pessimistic.  Of course I would have to jump back in and try it out but I would fear that it would end again just like 2012. 

Pretty much nothing else would cause me to NOT return..
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on March 26, 2015, 12:48:42 AM
If there wasn't free-to-play and the subscription price was too steep.  I guess I could give up eating, to save money, so that works, never mind.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: HeatSpike1 on March 26, 2015, 01:05:43 AM
If there wasn't free-to-play and the subscription price was too steep.  I guess I could give up eating, to save money, so that works, never mind.

Just do a few eating and drinking emotes in game. As long as your logging enough hours (which shouldn't be a problem) maybe you can trick your subconscious into believing you're being fed!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: artbunker on March 26, 2015, 06:40:53 PM
The Four Horsemen Riding, World War 3, Economic Collapse.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Styrj on March 26, 2015, 08:57:37 PM
* A large asteroid smacks into the earth in the town where I live.

* The power company cuts off my electricity just before the game went live.  Oh wait!!  I got battery backup NVM. :D
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: HeatSpike1 on March 26, 2015, 09:51:51 PM
damn I wan't this game to come back!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: MWRuger on March 26, 2015, 11:20:03 PM
Nothing short of death or homelessness!
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Paragon Avenger on March 28, 2015, 05:40:57 AM
Too bad they can't do a board game even.  Something, man, I'm strung-out.  You don't understand.  I need my fix.  Somebody send me a tell.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: HeatSpike1 on April 10, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
2.) I know there were rumblings and talks of this earlier on, and I'm not sure if anything is concrete or set in stone with this...but I wouldn't want to see other toons from the other successor projects having the ability to come over to COH, and vice-versa. While I wish all of the other gaming titles in the superhero MMORPG genre the best of luck, I think everyone should just stay in their lane and remain separate games, lore and all.

totally agree.  let each title be their own.  I'd be perfectly fine with letting CoH come back as issue 23 or 24 (even if it never developed or changed again).  Instead of merging with the successor titles and completely changing the game and the reasons we loved it. There's more than enough content to run through.  If it aint broke, don't fix it.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Floride on June 30, 2015, 11:33:17 PM
If it came back but we weren't able to do anything except run around and chat.
Actually, on second thought....  ;D
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Power Play on July 07, 2015, 01:47:08 AM

One thing may stop me from EVER coming back to CoH.

I hated the invention system and totally despised the incarnate levels.  Unless I wanted to do incarnate missions, grind, craft, and all that garbage, I couldn't even have my characters work out with my SG mates in the arena, because my character was so gimped compared to theirs.  The whole thing which made CoH different, when it first came out, was there was NO CRAFTING and no having to find/purchase special items, just to be competitive.  DOs and SOs ruled.

I had limited playtime, due to taking care of my disabled wife and my kids.  The last thing I wanted to do was have to collect sets of enhancements and IOs.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Vr2Lrose on July 07, 2015, 04:10:20 AM
the community would be the desiding factor if there was no rp or costume contests
or if all the rp was Elitist (looking down on steriotypes of characters even if the rp quality is good) like it often is in other mmos that have rp these days.

I don't mind a fresh start on characters/bases  heck i might prefer it. Rebuying everything eould be a meh but its a livable cost. and id probibly VIP anyhow.
Title: Re: If City of Heroes came back what might stop you?
Post by: Crindon85 on July 07, 2015, 04:37:25 PM
Nothing that I can see would stop me from coming back to Paragon City.. Even if NcSoft was at the helm or not.. I dont care.. the possibility of being able to fly/jump around the city is by far the one thing that trumps everything else