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Title: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 23, 2018, 05:13:54 AM

Only four episodes in so far.  Pacing could be better.  It seems to me that Mariah got stupid, but I could be mis-recalling how she was first season.  I like the capoeira.  And I Like Misty Knight's development so far.  And the music has been good, even if it went on a bit too long during a couple of bridging montages.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: eabrace on June 23, 2018, 08:47:00 PM

I've given up and turned on subtitles.  The Jamaican accents are just that good.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 23, 2018, 09:39:16 PM

Quote from: eabrace on June 23, 2018, 08:47:00 PM

I've given up and turned on subtitles.  The Jamaican accents are just that good.

I watch with subs by default, and it's been amusing me how they frequently don't match up with the Jamaicans.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on June 23, 2018, 10:10:53 PM

I keep subs on by default to support my speed watching. i'll be watching for discrepancies now.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Dev7on on June 23, 2018, 10:44:45 PM

Quote from: eabrace on June 23, 2018, 08:47:00 PM

I've given up and turned on subtitles.  The Jamaican accents are just that good.

LOL!!! I'm on episode 9 and here's what bothered me

Spoiler for Hidden:

If Bushmaster is able to decapitate people why didn't he did the same to Mariah? He could've just kill her right there but, noooooooooo he decides to set the building on fire to give Luke Cage an opportunity to save her for the story to keep going. >:( These writers keep doing the same old crap and it's getting f---ing annoying!

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on June 24, 2018, 05:22:34 AM

Spoiler for Hidden:

The fight with Bushmaster is just terrible. And they keep showing the worst parts in case you missed how far off the hits were the first time.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 24, 2018, 05:58:55 AM

Quote from: Vee on June 24, 2018, 05:22:34 AM

Spoiler for Hidden:

The fight with Bushmaster is just terrible. And they keep showing the worst parts in case you missed how far off the hits were the first time.

Spoiler for Hidden:

I thought the fight on the bridge was pretty good.  The earlier fight was fast and dark.  If there's a later one, I haven't seen it yet.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on June 24, 2018, 06:26:02 AM

The one that gets videoed. I'm only through 4 EPS.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 24, 2018, 06:43:30 AM

Yeah, that one may as well have been a still frame of an uppercut with a little head in the bottom right corner saying TOASTY.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 24, 2018, 12:59:45 PM

Quote from: Dev7on on June 23, 2018, 10:44:45 PM

LOL!!! I'm on episode 9 and here's what bothered me

Spoiler for Hidden:

If Bushmaster is able to decapitate people why didn't he did the same to Mariah? He could've just kill her right there but, noooooooooo he decides to set the building on fire to give Luke Cage an opportunity to save her for the story to keep going. >:( These writers keep doing the same old crap and it's getting f---ing annoying!

If you don't know why, you really weren't paying attention.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Mandu on June 24, 2018, 11:27:37 PM

Quote from: Tenzhi on June 23, 2018, 05:13:54 AM

Only four episodes in so far.  Pacing could be better.  It seems to me that Mariah got stupid, but I could be mis-recalling how she was first season.  I like the capoeira.  And I Like Misty Knight's development so far.  And the music has been good, even if it went on a bit too long during a couple of bridging montages.

Mariah has always been that stupid. She thinks of herself as royalty and expects people to overlook her mistakes and jump at her command.  The music has definitely been much better than season 1.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Dev7on on June 25, 2018, 02:12:30 AM

Quote from: Tenzhi on June 24, 2018, 12:59:45 PM

If you don't know why, you really weren't paying attention.

Ok....so....what did I miss?

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 25, 2018, 03:04:11 AM

Quote from: Dev7on on June 25, 2018, 02:12:30 AM

Ok....so....what did I miss?

Spoiler for Hidden:

Aside from Bushmaster taking many opportunities in the episodes leading up to it to mention how he wanted her to burn, right before he attempted the deed he recounted his tragic backstory about how the Stokes basically burned his mother alive in front of him and that very clearly gives us *why* he specifically wanted to burn her rather than just, say, decapitate her.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: AmberOfDzu on June 25, 2018, 03:09:13 AM

I finished watching this. I enjoyed the story, overall. But the quality of the storytelling seemed much lower. The whole thing was disorganized and confusing. I felt like it was supposed to be ending several times long before the last episode. I think the whole thing could have been done well in half as many episodes. Also, sure, the music was good, but there was far, far too much of it. I don't watch genre series to listen to music. The best part was the historical depth of the story, and how this played into the motivations of the two main contending factions. Luke's motivation was a bit off to me - here I think they could have done a much better job with his character development.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Dev7on on June 25, 2018, 04:23:02 AM

Quote from: Tenzhi on June 25, 2018, 03:04:11 AM

Spoiler for Hidden:

Aside from Bushmaster taking many opportunities in the episodes leading up to it to mention how he wanted her to burn, right before he attempted the deed he recounted his tragic backstory about how the Stokes basically burned his mother alive in front of him and that very clearly gives us *why* he specifically wanted to burn her rather than just, say, decapitate her.

I just finished watching the season and the show finally showed Bushmaster's backstory on episode 11.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Ok I get it now but, he didn't HAVE to burn her alive because of what happened to his mother if it wasn't for his stupid monologue. Also, the part when Bushmaster went full blown beast mode at Harlem's Paradise when he got to Mariah again he could've snapped her neck Superman style. Again, another miss opportunity.

I think this season is better than the first one because it learned from their mistakes by killing off Cottonmouth half way of the show and Diamondback. The only downside I have is that the show is predictable. I think the show had some some lazy writing in my opinion.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on June 25, 2018, 05:26:01 AM

Quote from: Dev7on on June 25, 2018, 04:23:02 AM

I just finished watching the season and the show finally showed Bushmaster's backstory on episode 11. Ok I get it now but, he didn't HAVE to burn her alive because of what happened to his mother if it wasn't for his stupid monologue. Also, the part when Bushmaster went full blown beast mode at Harlem's Paradise when he got to Mariah again he could've snapped her neck Superman style. Again, another miss opportunity. I think this season is better than the first one because it learned from their mistakes by killing off Cottonmouth half way of the show and Diamondback. The only downside I have is that the show is predictable. I think the show had some some lazy writing in my opinion.

How 'bout a spoiler tag? This show was dragging enough without me knowing what's happening later.

Oh and Luke before you call someone ignorant you should know that that survival of the fittest was Spencer not Darwin.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Dev7on on June 25, 2018, 05:36:28 AM

Quote from: Vee on June 25, 2018, 05:26:01 AM

How 'bout a spoiler tag?

Fixed.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 27, 2018, 06:12:32 AM

Finally finished up, and I gotta say I really liked Bushmaster.  I didn't find the storytelling particularly disorganized or confusing.  The last few episodes did feel like multiple epilogues, though.  And what should've been a one episode cameo from a certain character went on a bit too long and felt awkward.  When I got to the end I was thinking I'd like to see more of Luke's dad, but I guess reality had other plans.  The only two things that are bugging me:

Spoiler for Hidden:

Shades' character arc just seemed odd.  His breakdown just felt weird and out of character.

Tilda's dark turn at the end felt purely like a contrivance to give us Nightshade.  Although, the weird way she kept calling Mariah mommy might have been a hint of madness.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on June 27, 2018, 03:50:23 PM

I finally finished too. I liked it overall but they have really got to do some better editing. If something is long because of necessary content that's one thing, but these eps felt long because of padding. Though at least there didn't seem to be entire episodes that were unnecessary (hey let's confront Jessica's mother again), but it's yet another season that would have been better with fewer or shorter episodes and tighter storytelling.

Spoiler for Hidden:

What kinda bugged me is that Bushmaster has all these underworld connections but he can't get some body armor or at least a vest? Maybe use the rare flower concoction as a backup?

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on June 28, 2018, 04:31:17 AM

Someone needs to introduce him to Dapper Dan...

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: doc7924 on July 01, 2018, 02:16:41 PM

I don't watch any of these Netflix shows. Are they also part of the MCU like SHIELD?

And if so they actually mention some of the events in the films.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on July 01, 2018, 04:57:52 PM

They have made occasional mention of events in the films, though Infinity War has yet to affect them if it ever does.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Mandu on July 01, 2018, 08:33:42 PM

Finally finished.  It was much much better than season one.  A hero is not defined by his power; a hero is defined by his opposition.  The reason I pretty much hated Cage season 1, Defenders, Iron Fish (yes that was deliberate), and Jessica Jones season 2 is because they had no villains.  A drug cartel is not a villain. A crime boss is not a villain (with one exception).  A law firm is not a villain.  Getting to the hero by threatening or attacking their vulnerable friends and family doesn't a villain make.  A school kid with a death wish could manage that.

Kingpin is a villain and he's the crime boss exception because he has the physical ability to be a legitimate opponent for Daredevil, Kilgrave is a villain, and Bushmaster is definitely a villain.  Punisher also managed to be an effective villain (or anti hero) because his skills bring him up to the level of DD.  Plus each of those villains had plenty of personality and presence.

Yes they definitely drug it out too long.  If the series had ended with Bushmaster telling his story in the police van I would have felt that was a nice tidy wrap up to the season. Sure some questions would have been left unanswered but there are always unanswered questions.

And I actually liked Danny in this.  I hated him in his own series and Defenders except when he was bantering with Luke, and the same vibe worked here.




And now my thoughts on what I would like to see.  What I would like them to do rather than adding new full length series to the MCU roster is to add a mini-series format.  Like a full season that consists of 4-5 episode story arcs with different characters.  Daughters of the Dragon, Power Man & Iron Fist, and Hellcat.  Three separate series that could be all story and zero filler.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: doc7924 on July 02, 2018, 10:14:39 PM

Not sure how the licensing works between networks and shows but do you think they may ever have some crossings over between Daredevil or Cage with SHIELD? or Cloak and Dagger?

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Mandu on July 03, 2018, 12:58:28 AM

Once upon a time I would have said it was impossible.  But then Supergirl crossed over into the CW universe when it was still on CBS so who knows.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on July 03, 2018, 01:14:58 AM

Seems unlikely. The tone is completely different with the Netflix stuff than the others. Supergirl was on a different network but was the same formula. And I really hope not. As boring as these have gotten they're still leagues beyond the network garbage.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: doc7924 on July 03, 2018, 04:11:58 PM

Quote from: Vee on July 03, 2018, 01:14:58 AM

Seems unlikely. The tone is completely different with the Netflix stuff than the others. Supergirl was on a different network but was the same formula. And I really hope not. As boring as these have gotten they're still leagues beyond the network garbage.

The CW is co-owned by Warner and CBS so not a stretch they could cross over.

I was just wondering because they took Black Panther, not a major character really, and made a great film. Did they aim too low for something like Luke Cage and maybe could have made a film rather than just a streaming TV series.

Or Daredevil - sure they had a bomb with one film already - but the Hulk had two not so great films and he bounced back ok.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Dev7on on July 05, 2018, 11:01:40 PM

Also, another problem I have is when Misty Knight quit her job because she disagreed with the captain. Than, when the captain got killed Misty became detective again. That was a waste. I thought they was going let her continue without being a detective and I would've been ok with that.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: CG on July 17, 2018, 05:38:21 PM

Just finished watching it and I really liked it. It was like the first half of last season before Diamondback showed up and started chewing the scenery.

I liked Bushmaster and that he was a credible threat to Luke.  I was super surprised (pleasantly) that he and Luke had a team-up; that was fun!  I liked his martial arts style and how it was distinct from more traditional Eastern styles.

I found Mariah to be all over the place in goals and motivation.  I'm not sure if it was just some scenes where the character was drunk or if it was that she was losing her grip like Shades thought Cottonmouth did.  It came across to me as very unpredictable in the hands of Alfre Woodard.  I'm not sure a lessor actor could have pulled that off.

The music was fantastic (again).

Danny was a great addition to the season for an episode.  I'm not sure how much of an impact his appearance had, but it was great to see Power Man and Iron Fist together fighting street crime. I hope they can continue this much improved Iron Fist in any future Netflix series'.

I thought the ending with what Luke gets was a very interesting choice.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I'm not sure where they're going with Tilda, but I'm assuming she'll be one of the antagonists for next season.

The show didn't feel like 8 episodes stretched into 13 like last season.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on July 17, 2018, 10:08:09 PM

Quote from: CG on July 17, 2018, 05:38:21 PM

The show didn't feel like 8 episodes stretched into 13 like last season.

Felt about the same to me, more actual content than the latter part of s1 but the eps also seemed longer. but at least it wasn't 2 episodes stretched into 13 like j.jones s2.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on July 22, 2018, 06:05:01 AM

Quote from: Vee on July 17, 2018, 10:08:09 PM

Felt about the same to me, more actual content than the latter part of s1 but the eps also seemed longer. but at least it wasn't 2 episodes stretched into 13 like j.jones s2.

Yeah. I finished Luke Cage season 2 in, like, 3 days. I started Jessica Jones season 2 a month or so ago, and I'm only about halfway through.... It's definitely not keeping my attention like season 1 did.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Dev7on on October 20, 2018, 05:35:47 AM

Breaking News: Luke Cage is also cancelled!

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/luke-cage-canceled-1202987278/

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tenzhi on October 20, 2018, 07:02:57 AM

Well, damn.  I was actually interested in where they were going.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Vee on October 20, 2018, 07:27:48 AM

I think if they'd done season 2 as 8 eps this one would still be around. It's kind of bittersweet to me. On the one hand i'm thrilled for the infinite queue to lessen a bit and this show was boring. On the other i liked the world building, most of the characters and most of the acting. It was the execution I had a problem with. And it's nuts that this is cancelled yet SHIELD continues to exist, not to mention the DC catalog. I'm worried that these cancellations are only in preparation for a ton of terrible shows to drop once disney's streaming service is going.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: MyriVerse on October 20, 2018, 12:55:48 PM

This is making me think Marvel is just moving their series to the Disney stream.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Tahquitz on October 21, 2018, 04:58:10 AM

Netflix has a stake in the series, so continuing it would give them profit.  I think they're leaning to a clean break and doing something else.

Hulu and other channels following suit with cancellations would be concerning to me.  Cost savings isn't the point, Marvel going in-house with distribution is not a good idea to me... the big mouse can't push their ethos into them and keep Marvel's edge.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: HalcyonS on November 01, 2018, 01:51:20 AM

I'm guessing a lot of it is based on viewership and it sounds like both Luke Cage and Iron Fist saw a big drop in their second seasons.

Title: Re: Luke Cage season 2
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on November 01, 2018, 06:07:42 PM

Quote from: HalcyonS on November 01, 2018, 01:51:20 AM

I'm guessing a lot of it is based on viewership and it sounds like both Luke Cage and Iron Fist saw a big drop in their second seasons.

Neither one was advertised very well. Both just popped up on my Netflix account suddenly, even though I follow all the Netflix shows on FB. In fact, DDS3 is the only one of the past season of each show that had a big push; quoting Bible verses every day leading up to the premiere and "letting the devil out."