(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Kid_Flash_%28Wally_West%29_2nd_costume.png/125px-Kid_Flash_%28Wally_West%29_2nd_costume.png)It looks more like the Young Justice version:
hope it has yellow boots.As you can see in the OP's second picture... nope, no yellow boots.
http://screencrush.com/flash-season-3-set-photo-evil-speedster-wally-west/
And a new Evil(?) Speedster: https://twitter.com/canadagraphs/status/753126203498921984/photo/1
http://screencrush.com/flash-season-3-set-photo-evil-speedster-wally-west/
New trailer:
https://youtu.be/5LGQRbPERaU
Yeah, if there's going to be any Arrow-related changes showcased during the likely short lived event, they should be shown on The Flash via cameos and such.
I mean, it might be interesting if the various DC shows collaborated on a wide-reaching event that had repercussions for all of them, but I don't see it happening with this Flash in the pan...
I wouldn't rule it out since they are planning a 4 show crossover event this year. At the very least I expect Flashpoint to be what transfers Supergirl and Metropolis to the CW verse.
Knowing their track record so far, I'd say it will be thanks to the Legends screwing something up :P
Just a heads up for anybody who is used to watching the show on Hulu. I haven't watched Hulu much lately because most the shows I watch are on hiatus so I was surprised when I noticed that all the CW shows have actually vanished. The CW decided to do their own streaming app that is add supported (so much for my upgrading to commercial free Hulu) and it's available on Roku and other devices.
Unfortunately it looks like there is absolutely no way to tag or favorite different shows so new episodes won't show up in a personalized feed like Hulu has. That means searching through the app each week to find your favorites instead of having them pre selected and highlighted.
I would like to drop cable entirely, but my girlfriend still enjoys doing this 20th century thing called "channel surfing."
Man that is SO 2014................
I would like to drop cable entirely, but my girlfriend still enjoys doing this 20th century thing called "channel surfing."
Two things I loved about the series opener - Julio is finally back baby!
And Barry and Iris's teacher was in high school was Mr. Hinkley! I wonder how many younger people would get that joke.
I'm quite glad that Flashpoint was just a single episode...
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But their time travel logic got even wonkier :roll:
I'd be happy if we never saw that Kid Flash again, but I have a feeling we will.
Flashpoint being a quick throwaway episode to excuse some thus far questionable changes is kinda annoying.
In the new timeline, I'm guessing it will have something to do with Doctor Alchemy, what with the voice and the message on the mirror...
I liked the first episode.
I love the Reverse Flash. "The Flash I know, in the future, isn't this stupid."
Their time travel makes no goddamned sense.
Mirror?
Sounds more like Mirror Master.
Is anyone else already tired of the return of "not"?
Mirror?
Sounds more like Mirror Master. Who has been conspicuous by his absence thus far on the TV show, seeing how he's one of the top-gun Flash rogues.
I'm, so far, having to let these accumulate on my DVR, I'll get around to catching up soon... hopefully.
I liked Mirror Master. Top was underwhelming, and the name doesn't make sense since she doesn't spin like one. She's more like Count Vertigo, which would have been a better name (Vertigo - despite it already being used on Arrow).
For those outside the U.S. who don't know: next week's day off is because next Tuesday is election day. And I'll be glad to get all this falderal over with, as I always am by this point in an election year.
For those outside the U.S. who don't know: next week's day off is because next Tuesday is election day. And I'll be glad to get all this falderal over with, as I always am by this point in an election year.
I don't care for either one but history is made either way - first woman President (and first 'First Gentleman') or a President who never, ever held any political office whatsoever and therefore has zero experience as a politician.
Did anyone think it was weird that Joe has a heart-to-heart with the 15-year old criminal after he's captured? Plus, where did he get the tech?
I'm thinking that Julian's on the show to, eventually, become the new member of Team Flash, if Caitlyn's going to be Killer Frost. After all, it's not like H.R.'s replacing Harry as a tech or a scientist, so they're already a bit short-handed in that department.
Did anyone think it was weird that Joe has a heart-to-heart with the 15-year old criminal after he's captured? Plus, where did he get the tech?
Hopefully she doesn't turn evil. Just because the one on E2 was bad doesn't mean she has to be.
I hope she doesn't. In addition to being lovely, intelligent and very feminine, she's also one of the sweetest, gentlest, most caring characters I've ever seen portrayed. And I've heard almost NO profanity from her. It's like they decided to write her by what I like in a woman. So, I do NOT want her to be a villain! I'd rather she be the hero Ice, instead of the villain Killer Frost. (Precedent: on Arrow, Isabel Rochev became Ravager, instead of The Queen. And Roy skipped completely over being Speedy, on his way to becoming Arsenal.)
Plus, if Caitlin's a hero, that'd set things up for a "snowball fight" between her and another Earth's Killer Frost!
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I don't think it was a training session, but I'm sure it wasn't what it appears.
Y'know for a second or so I thought Barry would tell Julian about the Flash... glad he didn't ;)
Man, if that guy isn't the biggest hypocrite in the city...
Matt Parkman is in The Flash now! And he's playing the same role from Heroes!!!When I saw that this was the episode Kevin Smith was directing, I was expecting to see a Jay Mewes cameo again. Instead we got a Greg Grunberg surprise. Awesome. (Though I kept looking for J J Abrams to walk by the background somewhere.)
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When I saw that this was the episode Kevin Smith was directing, I was expecting to see a Jay Mewes cameo again. Instead we got a Greg Grunberg surprise. Awesome. (Though I kept looking for J J Abrams to walk by the background somewhere.)
When I saw that this was the episode Kevin Smith was directing, I was expecting to see a Jay Mewes cameo again. Instead we got a Greg Grunberg surprise. Awesome. (Though I kept looking for J J Abrams to walk by the background somewhere.)
... And we got a Frozen Easter egg, too.
Nice to see some of HR's lateral thinking coming in helpful. Still waiting to see if his knowledge of the name Savitar is a red herring or not (I suspect it is - do they even have the same religions 19 dimensions away?).Spoiler for Hidden:
He is sort of the Savitar from the comics, but a lot cooler looking.
I wonder if he has any relation to Zoom?
What I don't get is if he is that fast - he still doesn't know who Flash is? Jay (Hunter) figured it out his first 5 minutes on Earth 1.
And if he knows - then just attack him at Star Labs, his home, or his job. And he never bothered to tell Alchemy?
These evil speedsters don't use their speed very well sometimes.
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Prediction: Savitar turns out to be future Barry.
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Something about the phrasing that Jay used when he brought Barry back from the Future has been bugging me. He said: "You weren't supposed to see that" as opposed to something more generic like "You're not supposed to see the future".
The way he said it and the words he used implied to me that Jay knew what was coming. That doesn't make any sense however, since Jay doesn't spend a lot of time on Earth 1 and why would he be going to the future on another earth? Maybe he knows Savitar's M.O.? He did suggest they throw the box containing Savitar into the Speed Force, so I hope he's not a double agent.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into a poor turn of phrase...
For a guy with super speed and who can even travel through time running faster then light, he sure gets shot a lot.
So The Flash is going to be like Heroes and try to save/change the future from actually happening. ;D
He never learns. Isn't this more or less how he got in this mess in the first place?
My biggest problem is Legends - they f**k up history on a daily basis and nothing ever seems to change. But Barry changes one thing in the past and totally screws up everything that even the Dominators take notice.
At least he didn't stick his daughter in it.
So, you swear on both of your *dead* parents' lives to protect Iris, Barry? I call that courting failure.
It's apparently Gypsy...
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I figured we wouldn't be seeing the last of him.
Okay... that was ridiculous.
So, have they noticed that Black Siren is missing? Or was Barry's comment about STAR labs doors at the end of the episode a nod to that?
As of a few episodes, it's also a museum and wanna be tourist attraction. They kinda want people to wander in.
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Weird that the gorillas would throw all those points into mind control and telepathic speaking but none into mind reading or pants. Time to reroll..
Seemed a bit asinine of Wally to expect Jesse to leave her world behind without even entertaining the option of joining her in hers.
So, why is Gypsy on earth-2? I thought her world had strict laws when it comes to inter-dimensional travel.
She forgot creamer to go with her coffee and it was less embarrassing to pick it up on E2 than to risk being spotted back on E1.
Or after spending some time getting to know the people of E1 she realized it was a lot more pleasant to live on a world that wasn't so fanatic about the evils of inter-dimensional travel. And it's not like they are going to send anybody after her.
If she can combat-dimensional shift, why hasn't she just left? She's not in a cage. Is she working with Grodd intentionally? Is it even Earth-19 Gypsy?
Shouldn't a five digit code mean 100,000 possible combinations rather than 90,000?Unless there's a constraint that it can't start with 0.
Super speed would be really handy if you happened to be a forensic scientist who could get to your office, get a fingerprint kit, and dust a keypad in a second so you could narrow down number combinations. Too bad Barry's never seen a movie.
That only works if someone had touched the pad before. If its only used to disarm then maybe it was never used before now.Trudat
Like one episode when he goes to pick up a pizza and is back in like 3 seconds. Unless the pizza was waiting for him, and he just threw the money on the counter and left, there would be no way he could run to the place, ask for the pizza, wait for the guy to give him the pizza, pay for the pizza and run back in three seconds.
Its a cute bit but just couldn't work.
Maybe he went to Little Caesars where their pizza is always hot and ready even for most impatient people in the world for $5. ;D
Maybe he went to Little Caesars where their pizza is always hot and ready even for most impatient people in the world for $5. ;D
Ah, an episode where everyone gets stupidly hung up on things just to pointlessly shake up relationships... Flash, your CW is showing.
I suppose it's too much to hope that that's the end of Wally...
Also, what if Savitar isn't saying "I am the future, Flash" but rather "I am the future Flash"...
An opportunity for a bit of light-hearted conjecture:
H.R. mentioned the Earth-19 movie, Four Amigos. Who would you cast alongside Steve Martin, Martin Short, and Chevy Chase, as the fourth Amigo?
Jim Carrey
I win.
I just came here to say that exact same thing. I think that Flash goes crazy and becomes Savitar. And I think that might be what the future flash was warning Rip about and not Flashpoint. And that is why Savitar has to kill Iris. Because that is what finally leads flash to enter the speed force in an attempt to become so fast he can never fail to save anybody again. And he gets trapped there where he goes all Hank Hall.
That was a pretty big episode for advancing the plot. I'm glad we get another episode next week to continue this plot before we get derailed with a musical ep.
Lot of serious stuff going on to have that musical one right in the middle. Unless it is a speed force thing.
My first guess is Wally. Before Savitar grabbed Wally I was commenting about how it all sounds like things happening to Wally, then Wally gets trapped in the speed force and I'm like: Yep -- he goes insane, blames barry for not saving him, and becomes Savitar.
That could just be a red herring though, so my second guess is Eddie Thawn. No specific in series hints, just seems like something they'd do and I'm thinking I'd read that the actor was supposed to appear on the show again.
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My second guess is Wally.That's my first guess. Fits the whole "you were there when I was created" thing with Wally getting sucked into the portal and Savitar clawing his way back out. Would also throw an extra wrench into the plan to have Wally save Iris from Savitar.
That's my first guess. Fits the whole "you were there when I was created" thing with Wally getting sucked into the portal and Savitar clawing his way back out. Would also throw an extra wrench into the plan to have Wally save Iris from Savitar.
I don't think Carrey was even a mote in Hollywood's eye back then.
A more likely choice might be John Candy.
He'd already been in "Once Bitten" the year before the Three Amigo's came out.
Though didn't Jay say Savitar was the first of them to get super speed?He may have, but I don't remember that.
Longshot is HR, since he is the only one I know that calls Wally "Wallace". Not sure how that would happen though.
Longshot is HR, since he is the only one I know that calls Wally "Wallace". Not sure how that would happen though.
I was just going to comment on that very point. H.R.'s the only one, that we've met, who calls him "Wallace". I was thinking that, maybe, H.R. might be the Reverse Flash from season 1, passing himself off as a different Wells. But Thawne lost the Wells "overlay" just before he was deleted from existence. And I don't even know how he'd have survived, to begin with.
He loses his powers completely and starts a company that makes energy drinks trying to find the exact formula that will restore his powers.
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I still don't get how Eoabard can exist at all, even in Legends as a 'time remnant'. He IMMEDIATLEY vanished, since he never could have been born. It's not like Marty where it took time for him to start vanishing, or letting time catch up with him. And there should always have been a Flashpoint event as soon as Eoabard was wiped, since he no longer existed to kill Barry's mom. Nothing from that first season should have even happened, if they did the time travel right.
This is an earlier time point Eobard. Sort of a Flashpoint version who found out what was going to happen to him in the future. All of the parallel time lines still exist for a period of time after the past being changed eliminates them. That is why on Legends we get changes that gradually phase into existence like Stein's daughter or phase out of existence like Ray and Nate losing their previous knowledge and abilities due to Star Wars not happening. When faced with being wiped from the timeline Eobard fled to a different timeline since speedsters are able to do that without a time ship. Speedsters interact with time change differently than mere mortals due to being tied into the eternal speed force. Normal propagation of the time change isn't able to wipe him out so the speedforce itself is using its enforcers to correct the aberration.
And the reason that the future Eobard vanished the moment Eddie shot himself is because at that moment there was an open portal to his own time that effectively linked those two time periods so that the timeline change was instantly able to affect the future and didn't have to travel there as a time wave. It wasn't a propagation effect but rather an instantaneous change.
I swear I could make a career of explaining ways around the writer's inconsistencies.
Nature abhors a paradox. Eobard (and the relevant events) had to have existed in order to culminate in his erasure. If his erasure prevented his erasure, then it couldn't prevent his erasure. In order to avoid a paradox headache, then, Eobard's existence has to be a sort of closed paradox loop.
Music Meister by behind. That had to be Mxplt..Myxtlp.....that 5th Dimensional Imp. All the stuff he can do fits his MO. And he said something like they wouldn't understand or believe where he is from. Its the only way he can know everything he knows about everyone, existing in another dimension looking in.
Though why he tried to rob the bank I don't know. Just havin fun I guess.
Music Meister by behind. That had to be Mxplt..Myxtlp.....that 5th Dimensional Imp. All the stuff he can do fits his MO. And he said something like they wouldn't understand or believe where he is from. Its the only way he can know everything he knows about everyone, existing in another dimension looking in.
Though why he tried to rob the bank I don't know. Just havin fun I guess.
Mxyzptlk already showed up in his own episode on Supergirl.
That was... not musical enough.Yeah, this was no "Once More, With Feeling."
The two original songs were okay, though Gustin oddly sounded a bit country in the last one. The unoriginal songs were just disappointing. And the singing and dancing needed to be more tied into what they were calling a story in order to give it a proper musical feel.
Oh. I don't watch Supergirl on a regular basis. He had too many powers to just be a music villain though. Especially getting out of a cell that can hold any meta.
Given how he had to borrow Supergirl and the Flash's powers, and used an obvious bit of tech to get from her world to Earth 1, I'm assuming he's not a meta at all. Didn't Piper escape from a cell using hidden tech, too?
Of course, he's such a one shot throwaway character that we'll probably never know for sure. May as well just say it's Mopee and forget about it.
Given how he had to borrow Supergirl and the Flash's powers, and used an obvious bit of tech to get from her world to Earth 1, I'm assuming he's not a meta at all. Didn't Piper escape from a cell using hidden tech, too?
They thought about removing it... Caitlin refused. She said she'd rather die than willingly become Killer Frost.
Right but once she healed they could have put it back on.
Well, at the end they arguably didn't have time to before they got blasted. However, it's more likely that Malfoy planned to bring forth Killer Frost given his all too obvious aggravation of the wound earlier.
Gee. If only there was someone they knew that had super speed..
Putting aside that those people routinely fail to be fast enough and suffer from dubious reflexes, was there such a person in the room during the crisis moment at the end? I only recall Cisco, Malfoy, and HR. During the surgery lead up it would be a moot point, as the patient was adamantly against it. At the moment of crisis, it could only possibly matter if the speedster was right there - and even then, without being on standby to put the necklace back on her the moment she stabilised, they probably would've been too late.
Barry doesn't learn I guess. "I will never time travel again" as it cause too many problems. So next week he goes to the future.
And he must make a habit of travelling to the future a lot - everyone he pisses off seems to be from there.
But if he goes into the far future to figure out how to change the near future doesn't that count as changing the past?
Not from the perspective of his present.
Cisco's responsible for what went wrong in the stinger, you know. Julian told him to grab the oxygen. But instead, Cisco was using an Ambu bag (trademarked name), generically known as a bag-valve mask or a manual resuscitator, which only provides what oxygen is in the atmosphere. Of course, Julian shares in the responsibility, as he didn't correct Cisco's mistake.
And I'm not sure that I trust H.R.'s explanation for his two-day absence, given that Caitlin started going south after he showed up. Preliminarily, I'm thinking nanites, passed to her when he reached for the gelatin (semi-serious guess).
Maybe that isn't 'our' HR. They do all look the same.
Looks like next season's gonna suck :( (http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/24/15168140/wga-strike-authorization-vote)
Yay, Heroes all over again...
I never watched Dr. Horrible... it's too much of a Dr. Steel rip-off for my liking.
Since I have not watched the episode yet, I cannot comment on it specifically, but I feel like the trope of "Who's under the mask" has been done too much on the Flash. It's been three seasons in a row.
S1 with Wells was probably the best, as they gave broad hints from episode 1 and confirmed it by episode 9 (early December). The audience was in on the cat and mouse from almost the get-go via hints in earlier episodes. This was the best season and they revealed the villain the earliest.
S2 had the "Jay Garrick" swerve revealed in episode 16 (late march) which was ~3 months later in the season. They spent way too much time trying to figure out who it was. Compare to S1 where the audience knew who it was, but the characters didn't. That was a lot more suspenseful and interesting seeing the characters interact with the bad guy without realizing it.
S3 has Savitar (yet another speedster?) and should be revealed next episode (20, beginning of May) which is 6 weeks later than last season. They're telegraphing that it's Barry, but wouldn't it have been much more interesting to have Barry fighting himself all season, even if it was just the audience who knew that?
Time for something new. I'm getting tired of "Who's under the mask" and "Our main villain is a speedster". For example: Snart and Heat Wave were fantastic villains. No superspeed and no secret ids.
This isn't to say that there shouldn't be evil speedsters; there should be because it's the flash. Just mix it up. Don't make them the big villain for the season. Don't do the secret id thing. There are still lots of interesting stories to tell.
Gotta be some one Calityn would trust - so maybe future, future Barry. Not 2024 since he didn't know.
Or a Wells. Or Julian for that matter.
or a Ronnie
She says Barry would be shocked when he finds out. I doubt Ronnie would qualify.
Has to be someone both Barry and Caitlyn know very well from their group.
My list is
Future Barry
Jay
Hunter - though maybe not since he became the Black Flash
Future Wally
Assuming the person already had super speed before becoming Savitar, otherwise it could be anyone from the group really.
She says Barry would be shocked when he finds out. I doubt Ronnie would qualify.
Has to be someone both Barry and Caitlyn know very well from their group.
After watching this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3olN1Bganx0), I'm now fairly sure it'sIt just makes so much sense if you think about it :roll:Spoiler for Hidden:
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Iris left Eddie for Barry
I like that under that suit Savitar wears dress shoes and slacks.
Gotta be some one Calityn would trust - so maybe future, future Barry. Not 2024 since he didn't know.
Or a Wells. Or Julian for that matter.
In the future, Wells and Julian are still around after Savitar is gone.
Well so is Barry, Wally, Joe, Cisco. So then it couldn't be any of them either. Unless Savitar is one of them from further in the future.
Or Iris.
It would really make no sense for it to be Cisco, given that Killer Frost destroyed his hands. And neither Joe nor Wally merit Frost's instant trusting join up. Barry is already established as existing in more times and places than he ought...
But given Frost's reaction, it almost has to be Ronnie or Zolomon. Of course, it's entirely possible that the established identity will turn out to not make sense in context.
And neither Joe nor Wally merit Frost's instant trusting join up.
It just goes back to Frost saying Barry would be very shocked. Makes me think it has to be someone close to him, not her, so probably not Ronnie.
Unless Barry has been talking to Ambush Bug, he should be pretty gosh darn shocked that not only is Ronnie alive, but he apparently has developed a bizarre deep hatred for Barry (probably some cliche you-left-me-trapped nonsense, if it is Ronnie). His forced separation from Martin might also mean that the armor is a necessary containment suit that he can't be out of for long.
Given that it usually is, it would be more anticlimactic if it was again.
Like I said before, it's Barry.
That line repeated so many times "I am the future flash." meant he is the future version of Flash.
That plus old guy Flash sending a warning to Rip warning him to not trust Barry is a huge clue too. Flashpoint was not something everybody had to be warned about. Flash turning into Savitar is.
I would assume it's Barry from show clues had they not done the Prometheus thing on Arrow. Of course if they were going to do that again they'd have had Savitar's real name revealed as Max Crandall or something before having it be someone else.
Or what they used to do in Doctor Who in 80's to hide the fact the Master was someone in the story in disguise and use an anagram of the actors' name in the credits.
Even though I previously postulated it might be future Barry, it stopped fitting for me with KF's "oh my delicious teddy bear steak YES I'll join you" reaction. It was going to take some major crazy for future Barry to kill Iris, anyway, but KF totally made me disbelieve the possibility.
She did say, in the future, that she's mad at Barry, because his Flashpoint-repair attempt gave her unwanted powers (and a split personality, apparently).Except we don't know if that's really Barry's fault.
I really hope that this doesn't mean I'm starting to think like the writers.
Dayum, did not see this coming... guess it was just too obvious, with that specific suit and all :roll:In S2 E5, Wells had a meta-detector watch and held it up to Caitlin to show that she was not a meta.
Except we don't know if that's really Barry's fault.
If you remember, at the season's beginning Caitlyn hadn't told anyone about her ice powers... so there's no way to know if she didn't have them before Flashpoint. Barry told her she didn't, but since she kept 'em a secret from everyone anyway... well, there's a good chance that she became a Meta in the particle accelerator explosion and her powers simply took some time to manifest.
I have a question: When Barry went to the future to see his future self, Future Barry didn't know who Savitar was. And after this week's episode it's revealed it's Future Barry?? ??? How far in the future is he from?
Nah, Barry's changing the timeline again. From next week's preview, it's clear that Cisco knows.
The writers have no consistency on time travel, but I think the way it works is that you jump to the future as it existed at the time you left. If you come back and make changes on what you learned in the future, that future doesn't exist any more and if you go forward again, you might find something new.
Were you thinking as you watched that the guy who can catch bullets out of the air should jump in front of ice spikes with his chest twice rather than catching them or just moving their target out of the way? Were you thinking that the resident genius should be confused as to how Caitlyn knew he was in the rafters despite knowing that she was working with a time traveler and also being 10 feet away when she explained it? I think you've got quite a ways to go before you start thinking like these writers.
Also is it me or did Anne Dudek have a botched eye job since a few weeks ago when the magicians season ended? She looked like 10 years older.
Nah, Barry's changing the timeline again. From next week's preview, it's clear that Cisco knows.
The writers have no consistency on time travel, but I think the way it works is that you jump to the future as it existed at the time you left. If you come back and make changes on what you learned in the future, that future doesn't exist any more and if you go forward again, you might find something new.
If anyone famous is killed by a time-traveler that week you can be sure they'll pull it.Now you're just tempting fate...
Show Barry takes 10-15 seconds to remember he has superspeed :P
ROFL
Their cause and effect makes no sense most of the time where some things are affected by time travel and some are not.This.
This.
It's hard to keep watching a show where they're not consistent with their rules for how the universe works. Perhaps I'm not the target audience and they're aiming the show at "shippers" who just want relationship drama and don't really care about consistency. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not the show I want to watch.
Season 1 had consistency (for the most part - time travel with Thawne/Wells worked in a predictable fashion). They seem to have dropped it because writing good time travel stories is hard. Not to mention that Barry forgets to turn on his Superspeed regularly.
If Savitar needs to wear the suit to run at super speed, why shouldn't Barry just be able to take him once he is out of the suit?
It takes like 10-15 seconds it seems for the suit to come on or off. In the comics he can run around the entire world in that time.
Apparently, because the suit can move on its own... but at least he tried.
The way they seemed to explain it is Emo-Barry says the rules don't apply to them if they mess around with time travel enough. Probably the best explanation we will ever get.
And even Emo-Barry isn't so bright. If he knows because he was Barry-2017 then he knows that Tracy is in Star Labs working on the trap - why doesn't he just attack? Or send Frost. She came on her own and got in easy enough.
That wasn't Emo-Barry in the suit. The time remnant's hair is a bit shaggier than Barry's, but it's not nearly as long as Emo-Barry's in 2024.
They do like to take arcs from the comics and seriously alter them. I think this was their attempt to adapt the Wally as Flash never existed story.
It was more the future Flash one. That was done a few years ago in the comics where Barry goes bad in the future and then time travels back to mess things up.
The Wally not as Flash would have been better had it not lasted 5 minutes.
Yeah, that is closer to what it worked out as. But it really does look like they are just going thorough back issues and picking out arcs that lasted through multiple issues. And of course the arc they have teased since almost day one is the Crisis where Barry vanished. But they can't do that one unless the show lasts another 7 years.
Potential future arc which is the most cliche. The one where Cobalt Blue turns out to be Barry's long lost twin brother. Yeah, that one is almost guaranteed. Another speedster who is the evil twin. Plus Wally recruiting every other hero speedster to travel through time to warn future speedsters. On paper it was a good story arc but the show could squeeze it down into just a few episodes of pure cliche. Here is crossing my fingers that it doesn't happen.
The instant they said, "There's nowhere on earth Savitar won't find her," did anyone else think, "Cisco, open a portal to Earth-38, and we'll ask Supergirl to hide/guard her"?
The instant they said, "There's nowhere on earth Savitar won't find her," did anyone else think, "Cisco, open a portal to Earth-38, and we'll ask Supergirl to hide/guard her"?
Okay, so what's the minimum acceptable time, after a show's latest episode, before we can post about potential spoilers? I have a couple of theories burning a hole in my brain, and I don't need more brain holes.
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And that was an incredibly stupid thing for HR to say, even if it was the real Barry, as soon as he knew, so would Savitar. So same thing would have happened.
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Recruiting Gypsy maybe a good idea but, have you forgot how freaking stubborn and reluctant she is?
Recruiting Gypsy maybe a good idea but, have you forgot how freaking stubborn and reluctant she is?Plus travelling to her earth is a crime. Still, she's got anti-speedster powers, so it would make sense to ask even if the answer was probably 'no'. Like with the Felicity text, it would help show that they were pursuing all avenues.
So i'm trying to figure out how the remnant barry from an alternate timeline is affected by changes this barry goes through in a timeline where they neither created the remnant nor were mean to him. When Barry changed the timeline in flashpoint he didn't automatically get the memories of all the stuff that happened in his changed life. /summon mandu
Seems like speedsters who time travel get a pass. Eddie Thawne killed himself in 2015 or whatever so the RF could never have been born, yet he was still bouncing around until the Black Flash caught up to him.
And I have said this since the start of season 2 - their time travel logic sucks. Like just the other episode where he loses his memory - so Savitar loses his memory and forgets to give Wally his powers - all well and good but what about everything else he did that should have been forgotten and not have happened. They pick what stuff they want to change and leave other things the same, and it makes no sense.
So i'm trying to figure out how the remnant barry from an alternate timeline is affected by changes this barry goes through in a timeline where they neither created the remnant nor were mean to him. When Barry changed the timeline in flashpoint he didn't automatically get the memories of all the stuff that happened in his changed life. /summon mandu
Actually I don't think this one is going to need left field thinking. Emo Barry didn't defeat Savitar until Traci came up with the speed bazooka after Iris was killed. So I'm thinking the multiple time remnants attempt was made sometime after her death. Once Iris died Barry didn't immediately hide away. Instead his new purpose became to defeat Savitar so he tried multiple stuff including doing a Jaimie Madrox imitation. It was only after he won and Savitar was locked away that he became the emo recluse.
I don't buy it. If you're going to have time travelers be immune from timeline changes, fine, but you can't have them immune and not immune in the same story, or only have the immunity apply to their existence.
Your wraith point is fair enough though.
I say Barry will be back at latest by episode 2 of next season ;)Back on screen, I agree.
Hopefully he won't escape by punching reality hard enough to break it.
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Except the viewer is the one who wants to go back and hang themself in the womb.
Not sure. I don't think I've seen him in at least a decade. But it is my natural reaction to most of the shows we discuss on here.
Somehow, this reminds me of Jay Sherman's signature line in reviewing almost any movie, on The Critic: "It stinks!" So, why keep watching them?Compulsion
I liked the foolie they pulled at the beginning when Wells showed up.
But once again they conflict their own time travel rules.
Barry doesn't become dark and brooding, so no Savitar, but Julian says it will take time for the paradox to catch up to him and he vanishes.
Yet when Eddie shot himself and died, Reverse Flash immediately disappeared as he could never have been born. (Not withstanding the fact he showed up like 8 more times after that)
Unless because he was a time remnant it made a difference?
My explanation for the instant reaction when Eddie shot himself is that there was a wormhole open to Thawnes time right in the corridor with them. So the effect was able to propagate instantly.
2. On Cisco's request for Wally to "reverse the polarity on the neutron flow": neutrons are neither positively nor negatively charged, so a "neutron flow" would have no polarity.
Three things from the finale:
1. To "splice" is to join two or more things together - like splicing electrical wires to complete a circuit. What Savitar wanted would have been more like an interdimensional quantum splinterer, or fracturer, and not a splicer.
2. On Cisco's request for Wally to "reverse the polarity on the neutron flow": neutrons are neither positively nor negatively charged, so a "neutron flow" would have no polarity.
Neutron flow
Although neutrons themselves have no polarity if the stream were flowing clockwise (for instance) then switching the flow to counter clockwise would reverse the polarity of the flow.
Sorry, but I still disagree; that would reverse the direction. But polarity comes from the idea of oppositely-charged poles, as on a magnet, where one repels and the other attracts.
Also, in the finale, Gypsy told Cisco that she could feel that he was in danger because they're linked. Assuming that "Gypsy" is a codename, we haven't heard her real name. I'm wondering if they're linked and have the same powers because, maybe, she's Cisco's doppleganger from her Earth. Or would that be too weird?
...just repeat to yourself "it's just a show, I should really just relax".I see what you did there. (https://youtu.be/uiBscFVYiSg?t=66) :)