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Title: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on July 13, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
The new suit:
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=oyster.ignimgs.com%2Fwordpress%2Fstg.ign.com%2F2015%2F07%2FARROW-S4-Suit-First-Look.jpg)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: FatherXmas on July 14, 2015, 05:04:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP3pi_unmf0
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Solitaire on July 14, 2015, 07:23:10 AM
Liking the new suit  :D, have heard rumours that Diggle gets his own suit in S4....
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: saipaman on July 26, 2015, 12:28:09 AM
Hopefully, we won't have 23 episodes again to tell a six episode story.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on August 12, 2015, 01:29:54 AM
Looks like Superhero Fight Club Part 2

(https://i.imgur.com/2ZRul37.gif)

https://youtu.be/Uz1KXqGbW6s?t=72 (https://youtu.be/Uz1KXqGbW6s?t=72)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApAT848X9L4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApAT848X9L4)

https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/630943047950307328 (https://twitter.com/amellywood/status/630943047950307328)

I need to find a bar around here that will have it on screen!  8)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on August 12, 2015, 01:59:47 AM
Quote from: CG on August 12, 2015, 01:29:54 AM
Looks like Fight Club Part 2

Nah, much better than Fight Club 2, it didn't even retcon the interesting parts out.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on August 12, 2015, 01:36:31 PM
Constatine!!!!

Too bad it's just one episode (so far)

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Valtyr on September 04, 2015, 12:27:13 AM
Looks like John Diggle is playing Statesman on Arrow. (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/03/arrow-first-look-check-out-diggles-new-super-suit)

All of the comments are down on it because of the Magneto vibe, but I couldn't help but see the Statesman/Zeus model helmet.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on September 04, 2015, 12:54:10 AM
I hope that's a photoshop job 'cause that looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Valtyr on September 04, 2015, 03:01:25 AM
Regrettably, I think that is what it's supposed to look like but that is also a poor photoshop.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on September 04, 2015, 03:42:38 AM
Apart from the helmet (which i'm guessing is photoshopped unless he had part of his jaw removed over the break) it looks like something Dwayne Wayne would wear to a funeral.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: FatherXmas on September 04, 2015, 03:50:49 PM
I hope Oliver and Felicity make fun of it when they return.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: FatherXmas on September 05, 2015, 08:57:16 AM
Season Preview is up.  Spot the crossover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EGda9EbZgc

And here's a little Felicity action.  Might be a little seizure inducing.

Spoiler for Hidden:
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1416250502855052946.gif)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on September 06, 2015, 02:46:36 PM
Fair Play!

A bit wimpy looking though.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: FatherXmas on September 14, 2015, 03:08:18 PM
Extended Season 4 Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8HCgxHX8YE
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: eabrace on October 08, 2015, 12:38:31 AM
Season premiere!

That bomber jacket in the bar!  :D
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on October 08, 2015, 04:31:32 AM
Mmhmm, and a big dose of Kord to boot.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: FatherXmas on October 08, 2015, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: eabrace on October 08, 2015, 12:38:31 AM
Season premiere!

That bomber jacket in the bar!  :D

(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i.kinja-img.com%2Fgawker-media%2Fimage%2Fupload%2Fs--SWqoaJ1y--%2Fc_scale%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_80%2Cw_800%2F1465200243598585924.jpg)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on October 09, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
So that how you do a pretty rocking Premiere! (I'm looking at you, Flash...)

Random thoughts:

Spoiler for Hidden:
Not sure why Oliver is holding off on the proposal to Felicity.  Maybe he figures he can't do while he's operating from darkness?

Magic!  Constantine will be fun!

Canary's getting some real moves going on, which is nice to see.

Did not expect to see Capt. Lance working with Darhke.

Nice to hear a quick reference to Walter Steele.

And the big cliffhanger: somebody's going to die during the season.  The questions is why not use the Lazarus Pit, unless Malcolm's not sharing any more.

Not sold on Digg's helmet so far.

Should Oliver have given people such a good look at his chin during the broadcast?  It's pretty distinctive if you know him.


Very enjoyable!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on October 15, 2015, 06:09:19 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
So wait, with no mayor and most of the city leaders dead they change the name of the city based on what, that one presentation Ray did when he first showed up in town?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on October 15, 2015, 03:57:41 PM
Doofus wig, I'm going to miss you.  :-\
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on October 17, 2015, 09:51:06 PM
Still don't like Canary... ok make that don't like Laurel.  But that teamwork zipline move was pretty awesome.

Spoiler for Hidden:
I hope we see more signs of Mister Terrific in Curtis.  Martial arts and gymnastics as a hobby, or pretty much anything.  I just don't want to see another "Train for 1 month with somebody and suddenly become better than fighters with years of training" scenario.

Nice to see the origin of Anarky.

And apparently in Star City instead of burying people six feet under they bury them one foot under.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on October 17, 2015, 11:12:09 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
With the cgi desiccation they did to Sara she actually resembled season 2 worryingly anorexic Laurel.

Anarky was a little too badass for my tastes. Should've been a dorky teenager.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on October 18, 2015, 03:37:49 PM
Thea/Speedy strikes me more as an aggressive kitten. She's less threatening and more cute.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on October 19, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: Night-Hawk07 on October 18, 2015, 03:37:49 PM
Thea/Speedy strikes me more as an aggressive kitten. She's less threatening and more cute.
And then she breaks your arm.  :o
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on October 19, 2015, 05:24:03 PM
Quote from: CG on October 19, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
And then she breaks your arm.  :o

Right before caving in your face until you lose consciousness... and then caving it in some more.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on October 22, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
See? This is why Oliver needs sleeves.

I really liked the actor playing Double Down.  I hope he's back some time.

Spoiler for Hidden:
I guess this is how they'll stop the whole "return everyone from the dead" thing.  Nyssa fouled the pool.  ;)

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: eabrace on October 22, 2015, 11:30:39 PM
Quote from: CG on October 22, 2015, 12:55:53 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I guess this is how they'll stop the whole "return everyone from the dead" thing.  Nyssa fouled the pool.  ;)
This is all I can think about now.  And I can't stop laughing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPxiXGr9nFM
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on October 29, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
So, I think this episode turned on two very unlikely events.

1. Flashback #2 bad guy just happens to walk back to camp past Oliver's secret radio stash.  The Stash that is Oliver's only line to the outside world and will get him killed if discovered is laying on the ground with a tree branch over it.  So, of course he sees it.  Is this island the size of a postage stamp?

2. Out of a dozen or so small images rapid flickering on Felicity's screen, Oliver just happens to see Capt. Lance and Darhk chatting?

These co-incidences stretch credulity.

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on November 05, 2015, 01:29:49 PM
This episode made me want to watch Constantine.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on November 05, 2015, 02:22:03 PM
Was it me, or did Sarah not say a word of English the entire episode?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on November 05, 2015, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: Tenzhi on November 05, 2015, 01:29:49 PM
This episode made me want to watch Constantine.

Constantine was a pretty good show.  It just needed a little more time to find its legs to turn into a great show.  They were setting up an awesome storyline just as the show got cancelled. 

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Night-Hawk07 on November 13, 2015, 04:09:48 PM
I think this past episode was probably one of the better ones I've seen in a while. Good mix of humor, action, and feels.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on November 13, 2015, 04:17:42 PM
Too much contrived relationship drama for me.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on December 12, 2015, 10:36:55 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I think i liked that ending better with George Lazenby and Diana Rigg.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on December 14, 2015, 06:22:50 PM
Okay, my current guess as to who occupies the mystery grave:

Spoiler for Hidden:
Samantha and/or William.

I can see Dahrk finding out that Oliver has a son, and going after William. And, now that we know that Dahrk has a family (he's capable of love??), that brings into play the possibility of a retaliation by Oliver (or Malcolm, even). Plus, Oliver's graveside comment, about his being sorry that he hadn't been there for the grave's occupant(s), could be that he wasn't there when they were killed, or that he wasn't there for all those years of William's life. And it would explain why Samantha and William were brought onto the show at this point. And finally, it has the potential to hit close to Oliver's heart, without losing any of the regulars.

I have to agree with Blastr that it very likely wouldn't be Felicity in the grave. The folks behind the Arrowverse have been talking up their efforts to lighten the mood on the show, and they'd be foolish to kill off their chief source of comic relief. I am, however, REALLY tired of her attitude of "if you keep anything at all from me, then you don't really love/trust me".
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on January 21, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
OK, so it's not Felicity. And I don't see how murdering a child will lighten the mood.
I'd say it's Speedy's funeral... and Malcolm will turn Dahrk into a pin cushion.
That way Oliver can stay a hero.
Also, I've got 10 bucks that say Felicity will be able to walk again thanks to some super science or possibly magic.
On a side note, I really like Anarky.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Excidia on January 21, 2016, 03:44:53 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
They're turning Felicity into Oracle.  She's got the lair and computer skills, soon will have the chair, all she needs is a red wig.



Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on January 21, 2016, 06:40:15 PM
Quote from: Excidia on January 21, 2016, 03:44:53 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
They're turning Felicity into Oracle.  She's got the lair and computer skills, soon will have the chair, all she needs is a red wig.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The producers vehemently deny this.  They have repeatably said they will NOT be turning Felicity into Oracle.  But, I agree, they should.  She'd be *perfect*
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on January 28, 2016, 09:58:21 AM
Wow that episode was really ridiculous. Just every bit of it.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: eabrace on January 28, 2016, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: hurple on January 21, 2016, 06:40:15 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
The producers vehemently deny this.  They have repeatably said they will NOT be turning Felicity into Oracle.  But, I agree, they should.  She'd be *perfect*
Spoiler for Hidden:
"I was going to go with Oracle, but that's already taken."
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on January 28, 2016, 01:27:24 PM
Personally, I prefer the dark look on Felicity.

Can't believe they did that to Waller.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on January 28, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on January 29, 2016, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: CG on January 28, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Did we watch the same episode?  :o

[/spoiler]

Evidently not.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The hallucination bits were just stupid beyond words, as was the general "i'm useless because i'm in a wheelchair" pseudo-conflict behind it. Two episodes' time, a game of cards and burger turns Diggle the younger from completely intractable even under torture to willing to risk his life for a plan even when he had the option of just staying in prison or of actually betraying them? The flashbacks now not only show that everything going on relates to something that happened to Oliver on the island but now are going to rope the Diggles in as well? Oh, and Waller not suspecting they might want to break into Argus after they took the eyes of Argus operatives, even after someone (untrustworthy or not) said the weapons were a distraction? If that's supposed to be Amanda Waller it's good that they killed her off.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on January 29, 2016, 02:17:29 AM
They will change her into Oracle but not call her Oracle.  Just like Arrow is more Batman than he is Green Arrow.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 04, 2016, 07:33:26 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
So they're going to have super-elaborate plot-convenient hallucinations every week now?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 04, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Have they had any?  Last week wasn't so much plot convenient as an awkward attempt at character growth.  This week the only one I recall was part of the ongoing, tiresome flashbacks which are inherently plot inconvenient.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 04, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 04, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Have they had any?  Last week wasn't so much plot convenient as an awkward attempt at character growth.  This week the only one I recall was part of the ongoing, tiresome flashbacks which are inherently plot inconvenient.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Ok maybe I should have said 'bad writer convenient'. But the point remains. From years of watching TV we're used to suspending disbelief on the occasional elaborate hallucination but consecutive weeks with different characters is really pushing it. And as far as I can tell the Felicity one was only there so they could skip straight to lame jokes this week. Oh and because presumably people commented somewhere that they liked her goth version.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on February 04, 2016, 10:37:23 PM
At first i wished they'd gone with a younger Caclulator... maybe whoever voiced him on DCUO.
But with that revelation at the end, it kinda makes sense. Kinda.
Spoiler for Hidden:
What is the need to have heroes and villains know each other (or like here being related) in their everyday lifes?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on February 05, 2016, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: Nos482 on February 04, 2016, 10:37:23 PM
At first i wished they'd gone with a younger Caclulator... maybe whoever voiced him on DCUO.
But with that revelation at the end, it kinda makes sense. Kinda.
Spoiler for Hidden:
What is the need to have heroes and villains know each other (or like here being related) in their everyday lifes?

I don't get your spoiler either.  I hate when superhero movies/TV do that.

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 05, 2016, 03:35:14 PM
Quote from: hurple on February 05, 2016, 03:21:50 PM
I don't get your spoiler either.  I hate when superhero movies/TV do that.

Not just them, was particularly egregious in the last couple Bond movies, e.g. I don't get it either unless they're just trying to see how far the boundaries of believability can be pushed before there's a collective 'oh come onnnn'.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on February 11, 2016, 01:57:07 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
So, if Oliver was going to knock Malcolm out anyways, why did he cut off his hand first?  It was certainly a shocking moment.

Also, how did that little stone thing that Oliver got from his hallucination become real?

If they end up killing William, I will be done with this show.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 11, 2016, 06:59:07 PM
Personally, I found William to be a pointless little plot thread.  If they kill him off, I will simply roll my eyes at the contrived drama and move on.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on February 11, 2016, 08:22:10 PM
I don't watch shows where they murder children.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 11, 2016, 08:45:56 PM
Without being developed as a character within the story, it's not even a person, it's just a plot device.

Not that it would bother me either way.  Kill all the humans you want in a story... just don't kill a dog onscreen, because then you might lose me.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 12, 2016, 02:04:53 AM
Anyone who hates children and animals can't be all bad.

- W. C. Fields
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 12, 2016, 05:24:22 AM
Quote from: Vee on February 12, 2016, 02:04:53 AM
Anyone who hates children and animals can't be all bad.

- W. C. Fields

Because you sparked my curiosity and ushered me down the internet rabbit hole:

http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2011/02/any-man-who-hates-dogs-and-babies-cant.html?m=1
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 12, 2016, 05:55:50 AM
Neat. Also Leo Rosten looks like John Lovitz and Jean Paul Sartre had a kid.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 12, 2016, 06:16:50 AM
Yeah, I actually thought it was a picture of Lovitz when the page first loaded (viewing from a phone, so it's a bit small).
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: saipaman on February 12, 2016, 09:40:58 PM
Quote from: CG on February 11, 2016, 01:57:07 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
So, if Oliver was going to knock Malcolm out anyways, why did he cut off his hand first?  It was certainly a shocking moment.

Also, how did that little stone thing that Oliver got from his hallucination become real?

If they end up killing William, I will be done with this show.

I'd say that was done to provide additional motivation for Merlin's final scene of the episode. 
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on February 16, 2016, 11:44:03 PM
Actual, current news headline: "Hollywood hospital hit by ransomware attack; hackers demand $3.6M".

My first thought: "This sounds like a job for Felicity Smoak." She'd free up the hospital computer without breaking a sweat, and turn the ransomware on the hackers, because they have it coming.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Quote from: CG on February 11, 2016, 08:22:10 PM
I don't watch shows where they murder children.

So that leaves out Game of Thrones, Walking dead, Legends of Tomorrow, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Daredevil, Gotham, Powers, Doctor Who, Torchwood...

Come to think of it pretty much every genre show that isn't specifically aimed at children has featured a bad guy killing children and sometimes good guys killing children.  And every cop show,  And every soap opera, and western, etc.

So what you're basically saying is you only watch comedies, reality tv, and game shows.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 17, 2016, 04:05:40 AM
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
So what you're basically saying is you only watch comedies, reality tv, and game shows.

Those murder children too, just slowly.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 17, 2016, 05:55:23 AM
But at least they never kill children in comic books...  right?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on February 17, 2016, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
So that leaves out Game of Thrones
Nope.  That show is for sociopaths.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Walking dead
Nope.  Don't like zombies.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Legends of Tomorrow
The premise of that show is to save a kid who was killed.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
When did they kill a kid on Agents of SHIELD?  Keep in mind I haven't watched this season at all.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Daredevil
Which kid did they kill in Daredevil?
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Gotham
Stopped watching Gotham when Fish started scooping out her own eyeballs.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Powers
Are you kidding?  That show was terrible.  I barely made it through the first episode.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Doctor Who
Nope.  I never had an emotional attachment to it from before it was revived so I didn't jump on the bandwagon when it came back.
Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Torchwood
Nope.  Never watched the new Dr. Who, so I didn't really care about Capt. Jack & co.

Quote from: Mandu on February 17, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Come to think of it pretty much every genre show that isn't specifically aimed at children has featured a bad guy killing children and sometimes good guys killing children.  And every cop show,  And every soap opera, and western, etc.

So what you're basically saying is you only watch comedies, reality tv, and game shows.
There are plenty of genre shows that don't kill kids.  There's also a difference between shows where kids die as a matter of other events and where kids are specifically targeted for assassination.  The latter doesn't happen all that often and is what I find objectionable. 
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on February 18, 2016, 01:15:20 AM
Since they've started to address it in this episode (currently being aired), I wanted to get this mystery-grave guess in before the betting window closes on it.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Another possible occupant is Donna, Felicity's mother. Darhk finds out that Lance was working with Green Arrow, and punishes Lance by going after his girlfriend, Donna. That would be another reason for Felicity's being so obviously upset in the car, in addition to the possibility that William, her future stepson, could be in the grave.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on February 18, 2016, 01:23:23 AM
Quote from: Nos482 on January 21, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
And I don't see how murdering a child will lighten the mood.

To think that I was suggesting that that was how they were lightening the show's mood is insulting.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: eabrace on February 18, 2016, 03:58:22 AM
On a related note, how in the world did this escape my notice up to this point?

http://www.cwseed.com/shows/vixen/vixen-season-1/

I guess I have some homework to do before next week's episode.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on February 18, 2016, 04:02:58 AM
SHIELD.  The episode where you find out what really happened when May earned her Cavalry nickname.
Spoiler for Hidden:
May murdered the child Inhuman.
Daredevil. Black Sky episode.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Stick murders the kid.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 18, 2016, 01:34:08 PM
"Curtis, you're Terrific."
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on February 18, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Super Firebug on February 18, 2016, 01:23:23 AM
To think that I was suggesting that that was how they were lightening the show's mood is insulting.
Well, that's what I read... might want to pick your phrasing a little more careful in the future.
Ya know, so you don't get insulted by what others take from your posts.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 18, 2016, 09:58:16 PM
Quote from: Nos482 on February 18, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Well, that's what I read... might want to pick your phrasing a little more careful in the future.
Ya know, so you don't get insulted by what others take from your posts.

Seems like he clearly stated that killing off the comic relief would run counter to lightening the mood. 
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on February 18, 2016, 10:03:07 PM
...and then stating that it could possibly be William in the mystery grave.
So that's why I left a snarky remark. :roll:

Quote from: Nos482 on January 21, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Also, I've got 10 bucks that say Felicity will be able to walk again thanks to some super science or possibly magic.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Shameless self-quote and it looks like super science it is.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 18, 2016, 11:28:48 PM
So you were deliberately misunderstanding for the sake of snark, then, and it had nothing to do with the actual clarity of the statement.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 19, 2016, 05:50:58 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Maybe the grave was William's mother?

I'm thinking Darkhe won't kill him, he'll take him as an apprentice and William will become Klarion. The best revenge is a silly haircut.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 19, 2016, 07:57:26 AM
Maybe the grave is for Curtis, who has a twin brother named Michael...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on February 19, 2016, 09:27:47 AM
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 18, 2016, 11:28:48 PM
So you were deliberately misunderstanding for the sake of snark, then, and it had nothing to do with the actual clarity of the statement.
a bit of both ;)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on February 19, 2016, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: Vee on February 19, 2016, 05:50:58 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Maybe the grave was William's mother?

I'm thinking Darkhe won't kill him, he'll take him as an apprentice and William will become Klarion. The best revenge is a silly haircut.

I like that idea.  He's a great character.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on February 19, 2016, 03:35:45 PM
I think Oliver needs to lay off the double meanings when he talks to Ruve.  Telegraph much?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: saipaman on February 19, 2016, 05:35:57 PM
Only if he wants to keep his identity secret!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 19, 2016, 05:42:56 PM
Wait, are we saying Darkhe doesn't already know Oliver is GA? He'd have to be one incredibly thick mastermind even if he didn't have Malcolm working with him.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on February 19, 2016, 07:57:34 PM
Quote from: Vee on February 19, 2016, 05:42:56 PM
Wait, are we saying Darkhe doesn't already know Oliver is GA? He'd have to be one incredibly thick mastermind even if he didn't have Malcolm working with him.

Ah, this reminds me of one of my favorite comics ever...Oliver Queen is on a plane, in flight, when the Joker and Two-Face stage a hi-jacking.  Queen feigns a panic attack and "faints" so they lock him in the bathroom.

A few minutes later Green Arrow comes busting out of the bathroom and starts fighting them and they're all like, "Green Arrow?  Where did he come from?"

Bwah-ha-ha-ha!

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 19, 2016, 08:09:32 PM
That is a good one. I think I've mentioned before in that context the World's Finest where Clark and Bruce are on a freaking space shuttle and the same thing happens.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on February 25, 2016, 11:31:28 AM
Felicity is a self righteous twit. I don't think that's a spolier.

Spoiler for Hidden:
She can take her new legs and go fall down a well for all I care.

It was nice to see Darkhe get some comeuppance. 

I liked live-action Vixen. I thought the special effects for her powers was well done.

I wonder what tie-in the flashback cave of wonders will have on the current season...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on February 25, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Liked everything about the episode except Felicity being an idiot.

And I hope we never see William and his mother again...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on February 25, 2016, 07:39:03 PM
Speaking of the flashbacks... I think it is well past time to do away with that trope in this show.  FIrst season, alright, second season, oookaaayyy... third season, now you're stretching credibility, now... uh, yeah.

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on February 25, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
Quote from: hurple on February 25, 2016, 07:39:03 PM
Speaking of the flashbacks... I think it is well past time to do away with that trope in this show.  FIrst season, alright, second season, oookaaayyy... third season, now you're stretching credibility, now... uh, yeah.
Well, we should have at most one more season of flashbacks if they're still 1 year per season.  By the time Arrow is in Season 6, Flashbacks will be from Season 1.  ;)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on February 25, 2016, 09:24:16 PM
Quote from: CG on February 25, 2016, 07:50:56 PM
Well, we should have at most one more season of flashbacks if they're still 1 year per season.  By the time Arrow is in Season 6, Flashbacks will be from Season 1.  ;)

Diggle:  Remember that time you dropped your pencil and bent over to pick it up?
Queen:  Yeah

(flashback, of pencil drop (in slo-mo of course) and Oliver bending over to pick it up.  his pants rip.  He looks embarrassed, Diggle laughs uproariously.)

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on February 27, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Vulnerability to a very stubborn magic gorilla is an oddly specific, though all too common Achilles heel in the talisman world.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on February 28, 2016, 06:40:26 AM
Actually I think the reason they are keeping the flashbacks going is that next season they plan on increasing their special effects budget.  In order to offset the added expense they will actually film only half an episode and fill the other half with season 1 flashbacks.

Oliver is facing down Merlyn whose missing hand has been replaced with a bow.  They both fire a few trick arrows then close to hand to hand.  Merlyns bow transforms into a sword.
Director: Ok, that's the budget.  Say the line John.
Merlyn: I should have killed you the first time you came back to Starling City.

(flashback to season one fight)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Mandu on February 28, 2016, 06:43:00 AM
Quote from: Vee on February 27, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Vulnerability to a very stubborn magic gorilla is an oddly specific, though all too common Achilles heel in the talisman world.

So I guess Congorilla could make a comeback after all.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Excidia on February 28, 2016, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Vee on February 27, 2016, 09:22:28 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Vulnerability to a very stubborn magic gorilla is an oddly specific, though all too common Achilles heel in the talisman world.

This made me laugh far more than it should have.

e-
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on March 24, 2016, 03:35:45 PM
Felicity is a selfish, childish, idiot.

Spoiler for Hidden:
So, for someone who claims to love Oliver, she sure has a funny way of showing it. 

  • Recovering from PTSD from being marooned on an island/forced to kill people as a mercenary?  Felicity cares not about your psychological scars. 
  • Said person is trying to recover from these horrific events and may stumble from time to time?  Felicity demands perfection. 
  • Said person discovers they have a son they didn't know about and was put in the unreasonable position of having to lie to people to even see their son?  Felicity only cares that you lied and not at all about any other circumstances.
  • Said person made decisions about the best interests of their child (in conjunction with the child's mother)? Felicity demands an equal seat at the table as the parents.

That's not love.  That's Felicity being a selfish asshole.  If this is the Felicity we get, I would have preferred the character have died in the mid-season drive by than turn into this.

Now that that's off my chest...

I like seeing Cupid on the show.  I think she does crazy very well.  I'm stunned that Waller actually let those criminals out after doing Task Force X work!

It was cool to see that Darkhe's totem was Baron Blitzkrieg's totem.  I wonder what the ring that he secreted away was.  It's strange that he put it back on his finger, though; the guards will no doubt notice it and take it.

Nice to see that vigilante's don't hold up in court.  When exactly did Digg buy drugs for Thea?  There is an interesting question about how the Diggle household supports themselves when nobody seems to be working.  If he's being paid from the money Felicity is embezzling from Palmer tech, that's a potential big problem.  Laurel is completely correct that they were lucky to get out of there before their entire vigilante operation unravelled.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on March 24, 2016, 04:01:42 PM
For a minute I thought she'd pull her head from her backside by the end of the episode, but nope...  Out of all the silly contrivances in fiction, I think I've developed a sensitivity to those of relationship drama.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on March 25, 2016, 11:43:33 AM
Funny thing I noticed...
The team gets a call at court, daylight filtering in through the windows. Cut to a car chase at night.
No need to hurry guys, take your time. I'm sure the victims will be fine :roll:
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Nos482 on March 31, 2016, 09:32:47 AM
Terrific episode ;)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on March 31, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
How many times did they say "bee-con of hope", I wonder?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on March 31, 2016, 01:01:00 PM
I noticed in this but somehow I didn't notice when I saw her on Flash that Queen Bee is Beth from Walking Dead. I've been Clark Kented.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: eabrace on March 31, 2016, 10:35:13 PM
Quote from: Vee on March 31, 2016, 01:01:00 PM
I noticed in this but somehow I didn't notice when I saw her on Flash that Queen Bee is Beth from Walking Dead. I've been Clark Kented.
I keep hoping to see her just light the place on fire and give everyone the finger before she walks away.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on April 01, 2016, 04:35:21 PM
It took me until a couple of weeks ago to realize that the actor playing Damien Darhk is the same one who played Dum Dum Dugan in the first Captain America movie. (I think he's stuck in alliterative type-casting.)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on April 01, 2016, 04:45:43 PM
I think it was George RR Martin who said it's a bad idea to always have bad guys with the same powers as their nemesis. 

Spoiler for Hidden:
I think having Bree with a spinal tumour and needing the biochip is cutting a little too close to the mark with regards to Felicity.  It feels like a terrible reason to have her on the show.  Frankly she could have just been there to get the plans and sell them to the highest bidder.  Being able to cure spinal injuries is HUGE.  Working biotech is HUGE.  There's enough reason there to get her to try to steal it.

They sure are taking the slow burn in getting Mr. Terrific onto the team.  He's a long way from field work at this rate.  Must be something for next season.  Will something bad happen to his husband to get him motivated?

It was cool to see how badass Oliver was compared to the rest of his team.  That's why the show it called "Arrow"  8)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Heroette on April 01, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Quote from: Super Firebug on April 01, 2016, 04:35:21 PM
It took me until a couple of weeks ago to realize that the actor playing Damien Darhk is the same one who played Dum Dum Dugan in the first Captain America movie. (I think he's stuck in alliterative type-casting.)


I met Neal McDonough.  He is the nicest guy.  And yeah, he has done tons of movies and tv.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on April 01, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
Quote from: Heroette on April 01, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
I met Neal McDonough.  He is the nicest guy.  And yeah, he has done tons of movies and tv.

?? He is ??

Holy 5h!t!

I had absolutely no idea. 

He's GOOD!
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on April 01, 2016, 08:30:17 PM
The moustache is his glasses.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on April 01, 2016, 09:09:28 PM
::checks imdb out of curiosity, and is amused to find that he has also voiced both the Green Arrow and the Flash::
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Heroette on April 01, 2016, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: hurple on April 01, 2016, 08:18:00 PM
?? He is ??

Holy 5h!t!

I had absolutely no idea. 

He's GOOD!

I was totally surprised too.  He usually plays a jerk and I kinda expected him to be that way but NO.  He really impressed me with his charm.  I always get a kick out of watching him on Arrow now because I know that's not the way he is (now that is a great actor).
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on April 04, 2016, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: Heroette on April 01, 2016, 10:41:01 PM
I was totally surprised too.  He usually plays a jerk and I kinda expected him to be that way but NO.  He really impressed me with his charm.  I always get a kick out of watching him on Arrow now because I know that's not the way he is (now that is a great actor).

No, sorry.  I quoted the wrong post.  Meant to quote the one that he's the same guy that played "Dum Dum" not the one about him being nice.

My bad.

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on April 07, 2016, 05:16:35 AM
Okay, a bit of suspicion about tonight's episode...

Spoiler for Hidden:
First, we have the unheard part of the conversation between Oliver and Laurel, including the promise. Then, later, the crash-cart team charge into the room, with the doctor immediately announcing, "It's an embolism!" Someone with actual medical knowledge would have to confirm or deny this, but wouldn't they be incapable of diagnosing an embolism instantly? An embolism is a blood-vessel obstruction by a blood clot, gas bubble, fat globule, etc.; I doubt that you can tell that that's what it is without an autopsy. I think I smell a fake-out, here. Maybe it has something to do with Laurel's having been unmasked in the hospital - "her secret identity's about to get out, so let's fake her death".
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on April 07, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I read the article on EW  http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/06/arrow-laurel-death-spoilers

It sounds like she's actually kaput, though she'll probably show up from time to time on Earth-2 or flashbacks, etc.

For me, the scene had no emotional impact at all because I literally didn't believe them until I did some reading after the episode ended.

Digg's a moron.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on April 07, 2016, 01:53:44 PM
So, will Laurel's sister come back and become Black Canary again?

I hope so.  She was better anyway.

Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on April 07, 2016, 04:24:40 PM
Seriously?  It's like they unsuccessfully tried to pull a Whedon.  That was awful.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on April 07, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
But a good start as far as i'm concerned.

Spoiler for Hidden:
How funny is it that they used the "one last mission before retirement" trope?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Dev7on on April 08, 2016, 04:09:45 AM
Why the hell DC Comics or CW killed off Black Canary? They're going make a Justice League movie in a few years from now and they can't have a Justice League without Black Canary!!! I know that the TV series is a separate universe to the cinematic universe but, I just wish that DC would do the same as what Marvel is doing the tie-in universe that connects to each other....

In the comics Green Arrow is married to Black Canary....ever since the show came out I've been questioning why the show are doing things different from the comics like Speedy being Thea Queen instead of Mia Dearden. Now I'm outraged!  >:(

I'll probably stop watching Arrow when the season is over. The Flash is outstanding! I love it! The Flash is my favorite superhero and they're doing a fantastic job! I freaking LOVE Super Speed! I hope they don't screw that up........

After watching Batman vs. Superman DC Comics is falling apart. The only good job they're doing is the animated movies. Justice League vs. Teen Titans is good and I can't wait for The Killing Joke animated movie that comes out in July.

#Disappointed
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on April 08, 2016, 06:58:04 AM
After this long of the Arrowverse's creators showing, overall, a lot of respect and love for the source material, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that they'd suddenly flush canon down the toilet, and spit in the comics fans' faces, on this scale.

Spoiler for Hidden:
It doesn't make sense, having Green Arrow without Black Canary; they're the eternal comic-book-hero couple.

With their making Felicity look self-centered, whiny, irrational and unlikeable, if they then killed HER off so that we can finally have Green Arrow with Black Canary - THAT makes sense. They're replacing her with Curtis, anyway, so replace Laurel with her! Make Laurel's death a fake-out as part of the plan to finish Darhk, and plant Felicity in the mystery grave, with her presence in the car being in Oliver's head! Problem solved; you're welcome.

Since she was unmasked in the hospital, someone's suggested that Team Arrow are faking Laurel's death to protect her father, so that she can keep going as Black Canary, with the public (and the bad guys) thinking, "Laurel Lance is dead, so this BC must be someone else." I sure hope so.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on April 12, 2016, 03:00:33 AM
I'm now hanging on to one bit of hope. We started out with Sara Lance as a pseudo-BC, with the wrong civilian name, the wrong codename, and a handheld, tech-based sonic attack. Then we got Dinah Laurel Lance, who had the right civilian name (although she went by her middle name), the right codename, and still a tech-based sonic attack, but one which used her voice to some extent. I'm wondering if, at some point, we'll get a Black Canary from a parallel universe: a meta with a natural sonic attack, whose name is Dinah Laurel Lance, but who will be called "Dinah" to distinguish her from Laurel, like with Harrison Wells and "Harry" Wells. I'd accept that. (It beats the living daylights out of the Internet rumor that they'll make Felicity the new Black Canary, of all the half-baked, cockamamie notions.)
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on April 12, 2016, 03:09:09 PM
Quote from: Super Firebug on April 12, 2016, 03:00:33 AM
I'm now hanging on to one bit of hope. We started out with Sara Lance as a pseudo-BC, with the wrong civilian name, the wrong codename, and a handheld, tech-based sonic attack. Then we got Dinah Laurel Lance, who had the right civilian name (although she went by her middle name), the right codename, and still a tech-based sonic attack, but one which used her voice to some extent. I'm wondering if, at some point, we'll get a Black Canary from a parallel universe: a meta with a natural sonic attack, whose name is Dinah Laurel Lance, but who will be called "Dinah" to distinguish her from Laurel, like with Harrison Wells and "Harry" Wells. I'd accept that. (It beats the living daylights out of the Internet rumor that they'll make Felicity the new Black Canary, of all the half-baked, cockamamie notions.)

Well, the *original* Black Canary, pre-Crisis, was from Earth 2, and moved to Earth 1 to be with Oliver after one of those JLA-JSA team-ups.  So... I suppose it's possible.

But, it could also be that the actress was ready to move on, so they wrote her out and that's that.  Canon means nothing when it comes to casting a show.  Remember the 90's flash show had an Iris West in the pilot, but that actress refused to do the series, so they paired Barry Allen with Tina McGee instead.

Things happen. 

Also, they've clearly stated that the movie universe is a different universe from the TV universe(s), so NONE of the TV actors will be in the movies.  So, they can still make that Justice League movie, and have a Black Canary in it if they won't to (hint:  they won't).  What's happening on TV means *nothing* to the movies.

 
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on April 13, 2016, 03:57:11 AM
I have an idea as to how they can defeat Damien Darhk's magic. Last season, Barry and Oliver appeared in each other's season finales. This year, Legends of Tomorrow can join in the fun. Presuming that Carter's mace disrupts magic, as Hawkgirl's did on Justice League, Kendra can take it to Star City and tee off on Damien's head like a golfer. It's about time that she took up Carter's mace, anyway, and actually became Hawkgirl.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on April 21, 2016, 12:36:53 AM
Still trying to figure out just what's going on, before they come back. I wonder if it's just an amazing coincidence that the doctor, who treated Laurel, looks so very much like the Russian woman in the flashbacks.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: hurple on April 21, 2016, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Dev7on on April 08, 2016, 04:09:45 AM
Why the hell DC Comics or CW killed off Black Canary? They're going make a Justice League movie in a few years from now and they can't have a Justice League without Black Canary!!! I know that the TV series is a separate universe to the cinematic universe but, I just wish that DC would do the same as what Marvel is doing the tie-in universe that connects to each other....

In the comics Green Arrow is married to Black Canary....ever since the show came out I've been questioning why the show are doing things different from the comics like Speedy being Thea Queen instead of Mia Dearden. Now I'm outraged!  >:(

I'll probably stop watching Arrow when the season is over. The Flash is outstanding! I love it! The Flash is my favorite superhero and they're doing a fantastic job! I freaking LOVE Super Speed! I hope they don't screw that up........

After watching Batman vs. Superman DC Comics is falling apart. The only good job they're doing is the animated movies. Justice League vs. Teen Titans is good and I can't wait for The Killing Joke animated movie that comes out in July.

#Disappointed

Anyway, dude... chill.  DC has already established that this is a completely different universe than the comics, the Supergirl show, and the movie-verse.  Let them tell their story without being slavishly beholden to the comic book continuity. 

Plus, BC and GA have not been a couple (yet) in comics since the New-52 re-launch, anyway.

This reminds me of the night I spent on the phone in 1992 talking down a friend of a friend who was so distraught that they "killed" Superman that people were worried he was going to hurt himself. 

It's just fiction... dude.   :o
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on April 28, 2016, 07:40:38 PM
That episode was a bit of a train wreck.  Disjointed.  Characters acting stupider than usual.  An apparent throwaway stand-in for Canary.  And not much was accomplished.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on April 28, 2016, 10:21:33 PM
Quote from: Tenzhi on April 28, 2016, 07:40:38 PM
Characters acting stupider than usual.

Unpossible
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on May 06, 2016, 02:21:02 AM
To defeat Dahrk, you just have to think happy thoughts...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on May 06, 2016, 07:17:22 AM
Too bad DC doesn't have any magic characters other than Constantine they could have sent Oliver to instead of making one up  :o
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on May 06, 2016, 07:57:21 AM
My devious head canon convinced me that Fortuna was the eponymous goddess of fortune, who often inhabits the tower of Fate along with the good Doctor.  But a bit of research has shown me that my head canon was taking advantage of some fuzzy memory details, and DC never awesomely paired Fortune and Fate like that.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on May 06, 2016, 08:53:54 AM
Maybe she's Bib Fortuna's sister. The sharp teeth,  lekku and albinism could be y chromosome mutations.

I was kind of hoping Constantine would give Felicity the fate helmet he has sitting in his lair. Would cut down on her 'you lied to me' conversations with Oliver. Of course the 'how can we get our Felicity back' and 'I need to keep this power so I can be useful' conversations they'd replace them with would be just as annoying.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Super Firebug on May 07, 2016, 01:06:37 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Diggle: "Andy said Genesis was coming."
Felicity: "I don't think so. Phil Collins said they'd never tour again."
THIS is the Felicity we fell in love with - not the whiny, self-centered, "You have to let me in on everything, or it's over" Felicity!

Also,...
Spoiler for Hidden:
I'm wondering if, maybe, there was some part of the uncontrolled, "real" Andy left inside Darhk's obedient servant. And he realized that he could never break free of Darhk's control, but was able to assert himself enough to push John into killing him, so that he'd never be the instrument of his niece's and sister-in-law's deaths.
We'll likely never know it, if it is true.
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on May 12, 2016, 11:32:11 PM
Just when you think the ridiculous honesty conversations can't get any worse...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Tenzhi on May 26, 2016, 12:35:50 PM
Next season: the bureaucratic misadventures of the Green Mayorow...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on May 27, 2016, 04:06:55 AM
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 26, 2016, 12:35:50 PM
Next season: the bureaucratic misadventures of the Green Mayorow...

Spoiler for Hidden:
i suppose they decided they didn't need an intriguing cliffhanger since the Flash one promises to alter it anyway.

So Oliver blocks Darkhe's soul sucking attack and it somehow keeps him from using his telekinesis to block an arrow but not to kill the hacker? Oh, and now he's a LoA trained fighter again but the first time he lost his magic he got clobbered by two random prison inmates?
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: CG on May 30, 2016, 01:10:55 PM
So, I wonder if the colossal hypocrisy of excoriating Oliver for keeping William secret in order to be able to see him at all while keeping secret from her Mother that she's on a super-hero team and meeting up with her father without mentioning it will occur to her?

Nah...
Title: Re: Arrow Season 4
Post by: Vee on May 30, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
Maybe Flashpoint will retcon them all as not morons.