Its just too bad it takes so long to wait for the next ones.
Okay, back from seeing it.
Vision's cool but I'm not sure if he did any density shifting. I think I need to see it again.
I saw it a few days ago - in the big fight at the end you see Vision phasing his arm through the robots once or twice. Its subtle and they really don't call attention to it but its there.
I think they did a good job with him. Of course a lot simpler then his real origin - being the body of the original Human Torch - which of course later had to be fiddled with since the Torch was found buried and deactivated under the ground quite a ling time ago. And of course having the brain patterns of Wonder Man - who was also not dead after all.
I'm sure that Wonder Man has his fans, but I long ago came to the decision that it would have been better if Simon Williams had remained dead in order to make Vision more unique.
Well for many. many years the joke was the only people who died in comics and who actually stayed dead was Bucky Barnes and Uncle Ben.
Of course we found out later Bucky didn't die, but they didn't know that when they did those zillion stories in the 70's and 80's with Bucky's ghost, reanimated corpse, etc.
I guess that leaves poor Ben all by himself.
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That bit was great. I must say Spader was excellent as Ultron.
You can see the set up for Civil War somewhat in this one. The division on what to do with Vision saw the sides that people will choose I'm sure.
I doubt the Secret Identity law will be used as A) they don't have THAT many heroes yet to make a big threat and B) who in the MU films actually has a Secret ID? Everyone knows Stark is IM, Rogers is Cap. Thor doesn't have one. No one really wears a mask. Heck in Cap:WS Black Widow opened up all the Shield files to the public.
I doubt the Secret Identity law will be used as A) they don't have THAT many heroes yet to make a big threat and B) who in the MU films actually has a Secret ID? Everyone knows Stark is IM, Rogers is Cap. Thor doesn't have one. No one really wears a mask. Heck in Cap:WS Black Widow opened up all the Shield files to the public.
Actually I can absolutely see it. In the comics Tony and Steve were public knowledge anyway during Civil War, and while yes, the sheer numbers will probably never match up, there are a decent number of heroes that will be around by the time that is out.
We have the Netflix shows setting up several, Spiderman and Black Panther will be joining up for Civil War, Ant-Man will have been released, and Agents of Shield has been setting up Inhumans. Combine that with the side characters of Falcon and War Machine, the new characters from this movie, and the old cast and you have a decent selection. Plus they have already mentioned Doctor Strange in the last Captain America movie, it wouldnt be that far out of nowhere to see more set up for him since his movie will be out later that same year.
Good grief. I never thought I'd be able to have a conversation about some of these characters getting movies. It's a good time to be a geek.
Nope, no second stinger. Just a screen saying "The Avengers will return."
The climactic fight scene shows why Marvel just pancaking gets it and DC does not. Comic Book Movies are supposed to make us WANT to put on a cape and save the world; not to gaze at our navels and mope about how daddy told us to let all our classmates die and then got sucked up in a twister. The end sequence where they were backed up around the ultimate macguffin felt like a live-action comic splash page. by comparison, the sequences in DC's last few attempts were gratuitous effects-wank.
was there a scene after credits? I only got to see the one featuring you know who putting on his you know what.
Though Man of Steel I liked - that felt more like a Marvel type film to me, for the most part.
And the fact they had him kill Zod - that was very bold and in the context of the story it worked.
Eh. i just re-watched that movie, and it just does not sit all that well with me. Not exactly sure on why, but it just seems... off.I could go on at length about what was wrong with Man of Steel. But it boils down to this... they took a character who, for 70 years, was a bastion of truth, justice, etc; an upstanding paragon and the literal big blue boyscout, and transformed it into a navel-gazing self-centered and self-important whiny brat of a superhuman because, well, that's how he's written in a lot of the current DC new 52. Basically, they listened to all those comic book readers who claim superman is boring, and tried to make hum... unboring to that particular section of the audience. They also tried to make a batman movie using superman; see this for explanations of why. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-eYiD9OfM&feature=share)
However, I will back you up on the killing of Zod. In the context, it fit. plus, in the comics, Superman has killed Zod in past stories. And it's not like he killed him, then stood up and laughingly skipped away. It caused him considerable anguish.
I agree with the post above that says Marvel get it and DC doesn't (in regards to films). DC is doing TV right, though. It's a big mistake for them to keep their TV and movie universes separate. They should throw the TV Arrow and Flash in the next set of movies. Just cameos, like War Machine and Falcon in Age of Ultron.
I could go on at length about what was wrong with Man of Steel. But it boils down to this... they took a character who, for 70 years, was a bastion of truth, justice, etc; an upstanding paragon and the literal big blue boyscout, and transformed it into a navel-gazing self-centered and self-important whiny brat of a superhuman because, well, that's how he's written in a lot of the current DC new 52. Basically, they listened to all those comic book readers who claim superman is boring, and tried to make hum... unboring to that particular section of the audience. They also tried to make a batman movie using superman; see this for explanations of why. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-eYiD9OfM&feature=share)
I do agree, that what they did with Zod was brilliant. Raising him up from being a bog-standard megalomaniac to being someone who was genetically predesigned to be a warmonger incapable of seeing that what he was saying was not right was a great idea in a movie full of otherwise bad and recycled ideas. that and the kryptonian sequence are really the only parts of that movie that work for me. (the two minute scene where clark talks to the priest is effective too, but it is quickly drowned by the surrounding scenes)
Nope, no second stinger. Just a screen saying "The Avengers will return."
Granted, I haven't really read any of the comics(except for the infamous Doomsday arc (https://youtu.be/0PlwDbSYicM)... Warning, Mild language, and very funny, may not be work safe!), let alone the new 52 stuff(which every thing I hear makes me kind of not want to lately...), so my perspective might not be as well informed as yours...
Theater workers tried to get everyone to leave by telling us that (so did Joss but ...). Someone shouted back that we just wanted to acknowledge all the people who worked on it ... and wait for the bathrooms to empty.yeah bathrooms were a serious issue at our theater, I had to go once, my dad twice, and there was always a line. it was more like a night at a baseball game than at the movies.
Eh. i just re-watched that movie, and it just does not sit all that well with me. Not exactly sure on why, but it just seems... off.
However, I will back you up on the killing of Zod. In the context, it fit. plus, in the comics, Superman has killed Zod in past stories. And it's not like he killed him, then stood up and laughingly skipped away. It caused him considerable anguish.
I agree with the post above that says Marvel get it and DC doesn't (in regards to films). DC is doing TV right, though. It's a big mistake for them to keep their TV and movie universes separate. They should throw the TV Arrow and Flash in the next set of movies. Just cameos, like War Machine and Falcon in Age of Ultron.
I saw it in 2DAs Odin intended!
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I certainly did not see the scene like that, and was curious if anyone else felt like that at all when they saw it.
Bruce said he can't have kids - I'm guessing the gamma radiation...No idea how close the movies are to the UU, but one issue had Banner and Stark talk about the fomer's DNA.
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Of course for the movie, Cap is more like the Ultimate version so he is not the same.Most emphatically, not like the Ultimate version.
Most emphatically, not like the Ultimate version.
Cap in the comics and the movies is best of America. He's brave, heroic, compassionate, honest. The Ultimate version is more like USAgent than Cap. He's jingoistic, nationalistic and a brute.
That Cap can't lift the hammer was there to set up the gag later on when Vision could, not a reflection on worthiness. Rest assured, movie Cap will lift the hammer if the plot needs it or it would make an awesome moment at some point in the future. Perhaps in the Infinity Wars movies.
Also set up the scene where Quicksilver tried to grab the hammer and went flying along with it.The entire theater I was in erupted into laughter when that happened. It was a great geek-bonding moment.
The entire theater I was in erupted into laughter when that happened. It was a great geek-bonding moment.I wish I could say the same, small town iowa, so its less geek bonding and more like "listen for who else in the theater really got the joke"
I had no attachment to the character. I was kinda expecting Hawkeye to die, given that they had primed his death so well to be a drama bomb. They showed him to be the most fragile at the start, they made out that he brought the human element to the team, they made a big deal out of his wife and kids AND that she was pregnant AND that he just had to come home in one piece... And then Quicksilver had to make out that he was maybe getting too old for this stuff. The only way they could have set Hawkeye up any more perfectly to die would've been to put him in a red shirt.Me, too. That's why I was holding my breath! Fully expected Quicksilver to get there a fraction of a second too late, and thus set up some serious "too slow!?" drama for him later.
I had no attachment to the character. I was kinda expecting Hawkeye to die, given that they had primed his death so well to be a drama bomb. They showed him to be the most fragile at the start, they made out that he brought the human element to the team, they made a big deal out of his wife and kids AND that she was pregnant AND that he just had to come home in one piece... And then Quicksilver had to make out that he was maybe getting too old for this stuff. The only way they could have set Hawkeye up any more perfectly to die would've been to put him in a red shirt.
We'll probably never know for certain, but I think at least some of your complaints would have been addressed by the hour and ten minutes of material left in the editing room. Joss Whedon is a great story teller, but he also has a tendency to be very verbose, and I think in this case, that tendency came back and bit him in the ass when everyone around him (rightly) told him that people didn't want to sit through a three and a half hour movie in theaters.
Ultron was decidedly not nearly as charismatic as Loki or psychotic as Ronin or wacky as Justin Hammer, but I wouldn't dismiss him out of hand. I can follow the logic that he was built to protect the earth, and with his super-human intellect came to the conclusion that humans are a menace to themselves first and formost. It went off the rails for me when it stopped being that and turned into daddy issues.
As to Cap and Supes... it's not that we as fans don't want them any more... far from it in fact, if you listen to the myriad of arguments and complaints people still have about "Man of Steel" two years later. The problem is that the suits at Marvel and at DC are hyper-focused on a very small portion of the fan base; the fans of the 90's anti-heroes. To those folks, no one can simply be a hero to be a hero (see allstar superman) but must instead have some twisted psychological reason for doing what they do. And they crow and cry loudly that "Superman is Boring!"Spoiler for Hidden:
For whatever reason knownst only to the suits, they chose to listen to this sector of the fanbase above all others, which is why we got the "now everyone is a grim and gritty batman" nu52, and a superman who is an emo whiney wrist cutter with daddy issues, and a captain america who is at odds not just with his timeline, but with pretty much everyone else in his universe. the new younger less grim and gritty batgirl and last year's big hero six seem to finally be signally a change in this idea, but progress is glacially slow in moving away from the pouches-and-steroids era thought process.