I sorta remembered this alert, sorta not.
Anyway, ran it twice so far tonight with Leezard, Unleashedboy (gotta make a sig..), and I kinda got my rear handed to me the first time. The second time I did ok but I had to use all my toys or I wouldn't have made it.
I've kinda had this streak lately of "awww, that was easy", it feels like, when talking about stuff in game lately, and I'm all about balance so here we go.
Went in, got smacked around and left looking through a plate glass window waiting for things to end. In defeat. Leaving me with nothing - no pride, or sense of accomplishment - sitting in the dust with only a faint ringing in my ears ..."AT's aren't viable at the high-end"..
I know you're supposed to put on the suit.. But I'm kinda not into it when I know if I try I can make it 'on my own'.
Warlord's major thing is not being in the path of his fire. If you can avoid that, he can be defeated easily.
...or if one of your teammates has teleport team/you have teleport to teammate ;)
Even if you're on tank duty? The path of his fire thing? Look for FOOM! (ok I dunno the right one) and run to his back or just hit block?
There will also be a patch on the ground that you must walk out of. Blocking is a major part, too.
Cool, I can tank him now that I know I better be on my toes or he'll leave me out there tapping on the glass but the more finesse the better. I've been playing melee almost exclusively since going back to CoH and online games in general, but I still feel like a newb with it in some ways. Especially when I think about some of the people that kinda inspire my melee toons who were/are just amazing I think. Like Nemu, from CoH on Liberty. I think some people who play support toons exclusively, like I mostly did in the beginning, don't appreciate fully that melee takes some special skills too. Not just everybody is a Nemu, or Appocalipstick (think he used 2 p's...).
Was going to go back in and try again but ... It's confirmed, I'm a no class mutant. Because instead of playing, like I was looking forward to all day, I ended up just being glad to be sitting, and reading Zone chat, where people were refreshingly talking about things above the level of mildly interesting. I think I spotted a lil gamer lub even.
And no I'm not that mentally deformed that I would expect to have this experience every night hehe.
Woohoo!
Just defeated him with nothing but a 3 man team (had a couple of people bail).
Just me - one other level 40 providing good support and some heals, and a plucky level 14 Might-based toon that actually did rather well all things considered.
But I did do the majority of the Tanking. And we just slowly mowed our way through the mooks. But it was never in doubt we'd GET there.
I jokingly said about 2/3 of the way though:
"There's 3 of us, and there's 300 of them - those poor unlucky bastards! :D "
And this is the moment when he went down:
(https://i.imgur.com/HiNZoKI.png)
Paranomos is still up. Omega Punch had JUST gotten taken down by a fire patch, but we were victorious.
I'm standing over Warlord:
"Ronin here was built to take on Level 3 Kaiju. You're a bump in the road, pal."
Very nice. This is a fun fight.
Went back in to give it another go with Lee. Had a full team without healer and resisted the temptation to use any clickies/devices. When paying attention and consistently using Brou's tips... well.. I have to try it again for a luck/team check because my hp bar never went below 3/4 and it wasn't a short fight.
My screenies aren't working : /
I was standing in a bare patch of floor surrounded by flame during the last of the fight, "Burn, Hero! Burn!!". Kinda cool effect : )
Sooo, went back in, had a healer this time and it was just not fun. I was playing with the fire mechanic and they were mad that I was turning Warlord even though we easily won. And while we're on the subject of healers, why in the world do we always have to do things a certain way each and every time when a healer is in the team tonite as if they are just the most important toons in the game!
"You're on my no heals list". "Who cares?? If you're that much of an anal jerk that you have to have things your way when you are no more important than anyone else in the team and your rules aren't going to change the outcome - then why would I want to team with you again anyway?". I didn't say that reply out loud btw, just thought it : )
Besides, if I'm ever once, ever, that desperate for heals I'll load Xev.
/minirant
Seriously..
Afterwards I (instant karma!) had a slue of technical problems including DC's and then even being unable to load the game after several tries/reboots. Now everything works fine again and I think I just did a (I was still dazed and totally not paying attention..) Warlord with Brou! I think I glimpsed the name right before exiting anyway...
Brou is pretty distinctive. Kinda hard to miss. Big blue doggie dude? If you saw a big blue doggy dude raising his leg dancing on Warlord after the fight? Yeah probably him. :)
Hehe : )
I was beat and ended up just kinda coasting through that last Warlord hack & slash style and not really paying attention to anything but mobs and, sometimes, my hps. Looked up at the last second at the party list and thought I caught the name there before poofing back to MC.
Look forward to playing again tonite
This topic sorta started due to me thinking this was a tough fight and since I had this string of "that's easy" posts I wanted to keep humble and make a mention but I think I forgot just how humbled my guys can be.
Warlord's easier for me now that I've got Brou's tips and am paying attention but this situation has reminded me how I get to feeling pretty decent about my build/toys/AT sometimes and forget just how un-uber I am until I team with an uber(s) and they decimate everything in their path.
Some folks are just playing on a whole other level.
And, isn't this the mission that has a thread on the official forum that talks about some kind of exploit/hack that lets certain players skip straight to Warlord? (I haven't played the mission. It's just fun watching threads crash and burn, over there.)
I stopped reading official forums to any game awhile back except when a post on one would come up when Googling for info. The only reason I got hooked up here even was I always used the Wiki and missed LB (a Liberty Channel) and wanted to do a shout-out and the only other place to do so that I knew of was Facebook, which I never was into. Then I started playing CO and saw the forum here and asked some questions and people were cool and pretty well stick to the Gametime is Funtime motto and were putting up with me, so here I am.
To yer point, yeah.. There is a way to skip to the end of Warlord. I was in a team that did so last night but I missed how they did it because I lagged behind unsure what was up. I'm still a lil lost in that alert. I assumed they just ran to the end by skipping everything in the way but I dunno how they did it.
The "how" is a matter of some debate. There are a few who say it's just a speed run, but a fairly adamant group is insisting there is some hack or exploit at work. I think I've done Resistance, but not this one. Honestly, I haven't done much outside the "main" storylines. I did Whiteout twice, the Viper one twice, and the alternate universe one with the giant Destroids once. My highest is only level 23, and, for various reasons, I have three different accounts.
On a side note, I got thinking, last night: I have three accounts, and my son has one. I now have four machines that have the game client installed. One more of each, and I can "double box" a full team and form a super group of all me!
Mwah-hahahahahahaha- <coughsputter>
Sorry. Anyway, yeah, I think it's just speed runners, too, but I haven't played it, yet.
I dunno what it is yet either but am getting curious now after reading this and hearing all the moaning about an exploit in Zone chat (some/probly most by people that can't figure out the exploit but are calling the people who use it dumb for using it because the 'sploiters supposedly can't finish the alert without cheating).
lol on the double-boxed SG : )
The thing about trying the exploit is the rumors of how Cryptic/PWE handled the emote-crash exploit. Rumor has it that everyone who used it, based on a script/search run by the boffins, was permabanned from the game, possibly from PWE, altogether, despite cries by some that they were doing it so that they could accurately file the support tickets that were reporting it.
They aren't comparing crashing the zone for everyone to winning a silly alert, are they??
The forumites are, but the mods have been absent, so far. Apparently, there was another "incident" that resulted in some sweeping bans, but the posters who are recalling that are kind of vague on details.
Some of us talked to the CM today and one of the devs. The expectation is that this is being looked into.
That's good. I should have caveated that I hadn't been over to their forum since this morning.
Quote from: Xev on August 03, 2013, 01:10:05 AMWent in, got smacked around and left looking through a plate glass window waiting for things to end. In defeat. Leaving me with nothing - no pride, or sense of accomplishment - sitting in the dust with only a faint ringing in my ears ..."AT's aren't viable at the high-end"..
I know you're supposed to put on the suit.. But I'm kinda not into it when I know if I try I can make it 'on my own'..
This was my experience with Warlord too... except
I made the mistake of putting on the suit.
I basically got creamed the moment I entered the battlefield, on Warlord's first attack, as did pretty much everyone else. I still had the suit for a while after the mission was over, so I said "screw it" and decided to take it for a joyride around Vibora Bay.
What a disaster. Enemy groups I'd soloed easily,
trivially on my own were a nightmare in the suit. I couldn't take hits worth a damn, and the damage output I was capable of was
sorely lacking - and I'm a Glacier AT, my damage ain't great to begin with! Then the suit expired and I'm back to normal and I'm like, "What the hell, is the suit a developer dick-move trap or something? Am I playing Kaizo Champions Online here?"
Now I'll admit, I'm a silver player with no access to the Power Armor powerset - I can't make a freeform PA character or a character with The Invincible archetype. So... I'm rather inexperienced about Power Armor and how to use it effectively. I'm also statted as a Glacier, and as far as I'm aware that doesn't change when you put on the suit. So that's probably another big problem.
Still, it begs the questions -
why does the suit exist and
what kind of benefits does it offer?
Quote from: Kaiser Tarantula on August 08, 2013, 01:19:57 PM
This was my experience with Warlord too... except I made the mistake of putting on the suit.
I basically got creamed the moment I entered the battlefield, on Warlord's first attack, as did pretty much everyone else. I still had the suit for a while after the mission was over, so I said "screw it" and decided to take it for a joyride around Vibora Bay.
What a disaster. Enemy groups I'd soloed easily, trivially on my own were a nightmare in the suit. I couldn't take hits worth a damn, and the damage output I was capable of was sorely lacking - and I'm a Glacier AT, my damage ain't great to begin with! Then the suit expired and I'm back to normal and I'm like, "What the hell, is the suit a developer dick-move trap or something? Am I playing Kaizo Champions Online here?"
Now I'll admit, I'm a silver player with no access to the Power Armor powerset - I can't make a freeform PA character or a character with The Invincible archetype. So... I'm rather inexperienced about Power Armor and how to use it effectively. I'm also statted as a Glacier, and as far as I'm aware that doesn't change when you put on the suit. So that's probably another big problem.
Still, it begs the questions - why does the suit exist and what kind of benefits does it offer?
It's a showcase for the Invincible. Many power armor powers can be toggled simultaneously. Were you using more than one at the same time?
edit: Fixed quote
Think your quotebox got butchered there, Brou.
Yes I was, actually, and it's neat how it could do that. Burns energy like you wouldn't believe though, and I really didn't see too much of an advantage in it compared to my regular ol' ice attacks. You have to toggle everything off to use your energy builder or anything else, and sometimes powers would come off toggle for no apparent reason. Of course, I only figured that out after the alert, because we pretty much wiped on the Warlord fight within thirty seconds of it starting.
Problem is, the suit doesn't exactly come with an instruction manual, nor are there any enemies between getting the suit and fighting Warlord in order to acclimate yourself and get a grip on controlling it. It's basically flying blind unless you've had experience with Power Armor or The Invulnerable AT before. Really didn't help that the whole team was basically attempting to blitzkrieg the alert, zerg rushing everything without regard to strategy.
As a showcase for The Invincible, the suit in the Warlord alert really ain't all that great. Definitely not inspiring me to want to unlock that archetype as a silver player, that's for sure. It went down in one attack, didn't even get to see what hit me, to be honest. I'm pretty sure that I'd have had better odds simply staying as my usual Glacier self.
Quote from: Kaiser Tarantula on August 08, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Problem is, the suit doesn't exactly come with an instruction manual...
Being a child of the 80s, this immediately evoked:
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But, to the point of what you were saying with it, I have unlocked The Invincible with Zen, in unlocking a freeform character I had made that was a recreation of my main from CoH, and I have to admit to still getting the hang of it. Granted, I've been focusing on a higher level character in the hopes of getting him to max and using him for Zen harvesting, but I wasn't aware of the simultaneous power use thing. Given how energy intensive each power is, that's probably a good thing. Also, he's still in the teens, so I'm probably only scratching the surface, at this point.
Statesman's Ghost, you mean the learning curve for PA is that steep?
Yeah, I'm definitely not encouraged to play PA or unlock The Invincible. Being a silver player, my character slots are limited, and I definitely don't want to waste them on characters that are a chore to play.
It's also plainly apparent that putting on the suit was definitely the wrong choice for that alert. With no instructions, no tutorial, and no information whatsoever before throwing you into a boss fight that can potentially one-shot you, even on a Tank AT, the suit looks more and more like some dastardly Kaizo trap than a viable way of clearing the alert.
Maybe if I start playing CO again, I can get some people who aren't bumrushing the alert and can help me do this thing properly.
Quote from: dwturducken on August 08, 2013, 02:20:10 PM
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*mutters something incoherent about needing to dab the coffee on the monitor*
Holy Crackers it's been a while since I'd seen that ... ah when TV programming was worth watching.
Quote from: Kaiser Tarantula on August 08, 2013, 04:17:43 PM
Statesman's Ghost, you mean the learning curve for PA is that steep?
I don't think so tbh. I think PA (the Invincible) in general is a fairly well-rounded AT. What I don't like about it is the self heal at lvl 17 and shield at lvl 21. I can see where that would make leveling solo with it a pain. Personally I grab my block enhancers/forms/self-heals
before more than the basic attacks.
I use many of the beam attacks for a light based character, but for the sake of argument, I may make an Invincible tonight and see how I fare with it.
I vaguely remember using the suit when this alert came around last time which was probably not too long after I started playing. Mainly, I remember having the this has no instruction manual and seems to suck anyway reaction too.
Might be interesting to give it another go now that I know it's supposed to show off Invincible.
I'm going to amend my statement now... I did create an Invincible and ran with it for the first few levels. It might be my general aversion to most PA weapons, but I
hated every minute of it. It's not that I had any problems street sweeping - but the power selections just rubbed me wrong ...
- Power Bolts - Ok - I use these on many different builds - very "Laser-y"
- Tactical Missiles - Eew. just. eew. While not a bad power, I prefer the power-bolts power which feels like it does more damage quicker with its tap component
- Mini Gun - meh. Not overwhelming dps wise for the amount of end it chews up
- Invulnerability - quintessential tanking power - good stuff
- Micro Munitions - Fun, noisy/blast-y - imo to early... I'd prefer the shield first.
I had to stop after that, mostly because I was finding the AT to be effective - but not at all fun for me. YMMV though, This is part of the reason I went gold ATs just feel to restrictive after being spoiled since launch with Free-Form builds before Free-Form was special.
I didn't mean to imply that it had a steep learning curve. I actually enjoy the AT more than what I was doing with the character as a FF. For me, the problem is one of changing habits I played the character more as a blaster as FF than the "blank" that the AT is, and the energy management wasn't as fickle.
Agreed, it really wasn't difficult at all to 'get into it'. As a matter of fact I think it would be great for someone that wasn't as spoiled on FF (me).
Woot! Won his foot!
err
*ahem*
Yes, this alert is acceptable.
Edit:
Not to get off topic but 3 minutes later I looted Hi-Pan's hat!
Quote from: Xev on August 09, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
Woot! Won his foot!
I actually haven't run this alert yet... altitis ftw. Might hop on Barrage tonight and see what's cookin' tho.
It's been a lucky day to play : ) I never get costume pieces in regular alerts except the Grab Helmet that I think prolly everyone has too many of already and I haven't done that many Warlords.
Edit:
Well, I caught a glimpse of a/the sploit at least. They ran up to the elevator doors, went through them, and my guess is they did the same thing until the end.
It needs to be fixed but until then it's a neat magic trick I say! You still have to fight Warlord at the end and if you can do that you should have been able to make it to him anyway - and on top of that, they're winning without half the team sometimes. So, kudos.
I was with a sploit team that let me chase them to the end (Warlord) somehow and they fought a clean fight as far as I could tell. Clean as they get in CO at that level anyway : )
OK so like with any fight, when you start getting used to it and get in enough good teams it starts to get a lot easier.
Still though, in a decent 3ish minute Warlord fight (it's not a tricked out team) where he is tossing flames everywhere and by the end of the fight, as a melee, you are still standing toe-toe with him in the only spot not covered with fire (he's got fire on the other three sides of himself) and then he starts yelling "Burn, hero, burn!" while shooting his flame thrower in the only spot you can stand in as you dig in and just kinda do your pay attention to where your feet are and when to block thing while still clinging to enough agro to keep him on you, so you come out smelling like roses - this is still a pretty decent moment for me. Have had this pleasure twice, now.
Bravo, guys who made this fight fun.