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Title: Loregasm 2013
Post by: eabrace on April 13, 2013, 06:05:38 PM
A couple of hours ago, Matt Miller posted the following (https://twitter.com/MMODesigner/status/323103481974120449) on Twitter:

QuoteBoom. Have at it CoH players. #CityOfHeroes (https://twitter.com/search/%23CityOfHeroes) #Loregasm (https://twitter.com/search/%23Loregasm) docs.google.com/document/d/11b... (https://t.co/tFZeAWpnSd) - Matt Miller (@MMODesigner) April 13, 2013 (https://twitter.com/MMODesigner/status/323103481974120449)

The link leads to a Google document that can be edited in order for anyone to ask lore questions that will be answered on April 28 - CoH's 9th anniversary.

Please note before asking any questions that there are rules to follow on the first page of the document.  They are subject to change, but here are the rules as I write this post:

QuoteOn April 28th, 2013, Matt Miller and other members of the Paragon Design team will put answers to lore-related questions of City of Heroes to questions that are in this public document.

Rules:

Try to limit the number of questions you ask. We only have a limited amount of time to answer questions, but if you monopolized half the document with your questions, we might be forced to skip over questions asked by other people. If you have a laundry list of questions, come back later and see if your question was asked by someone else, if a few days have gone by and it's still not asked, then add a couple more questions.

Read the already asked questions, try not to repeat. If you have a similar, but not the same, question as another user add it as a comment in the format described below.

No questions about the following subjects will be answered so don't even try.
* Paragon Studios
* Paragon Employees (including "where are they now")
* The future of CoH
* NCsoft
* The Shutdown of Paragon
* Anything non-CoH lore related, really

We, the designers, reserve the right to make up answers for questions that never really had answers to begin with. (Ex: What was Statesman's Mother's Maiden Name?) This means there is the possibility that we contradict existing Lore that was written by someone-not-us. In that case: mea culpa.

Do not delete or edit any other user's question! Feel free to comment on it in the format described below.

Don't edit anything outside the two horizontal lines in the document.

New rules may appear at any time.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 13, 2013, 06:34:54 PM
Posted a question. Maybe someday I'll get an answer about the Penny/Clockwork King relationship. :D
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Quinch on April 13, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
-adds a question... or four-

-hopes he hasn't broken the "don't ask too much stuff" rule-

-also fun to watch people type their questions in realtime-
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: SirKittles on April 13, 2013, 08:06:32 PM
I added a question as well. I'm glad they're doing this, and it will hopefully tie up some loose ends lefts open because of murdering of the game.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Empyrean on April 14, 2013, 02:08:26 AM
Wow.  This is awesome!   Makes me a little sad, but awesome!  Man, I had so many questions back in the day--now I gotta go pick the one or two best.  Gonna be tough.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Brightfires on April 14, 2013, 02:26:26 AM
I had to ask about the moon base... That's one of the unfinished things that I really, really wish we'd have gotten to see. :(
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Captain Electric on April 14, 2013, 04:20:56 AM
Do publicly shared and editable Google docs have revision control for rollbacks? There isn't a chance in Hades this will ever work if vandalism can't be rolled back.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Quinch on April 14, 2013, 04:31:51 AM
Quote from: Captain Electric on April 14, 2013, 04:20:56 AM
Do publicly shared and editable Google docs have revision control for rollbacks? There isn't a chance in Hades this will ever work if vandalism can't be rolled back.

-> File menu
-> See revision history
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Aggelakis on April 14, 2013, 04:38:55 AM
Besides, the actual loregasm won't be put in the publicly-editable questions file.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Captain Electric on April 14, 2013, 05:07:25 AM
Thank you both for the answers.  :)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on April 15, 2013, 03:54:19 AM
I've put in my question.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: johnrobey on April 15, 2013, 06:49:25 AM
I am still hoping to discover the answer to all Loregasm questions sometime in the future in-game, but this is simply my personal choice and preference.   :D
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on April 16, 2013, 11:19:59 PM
I went with a power set question whose answer was only going to come from "real life".
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 18, 2013, 10:23:20 PM
I've been checking on a daily basis just to see what questions were asked... did someone just wipe out almost ALL questions?!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: dwturducken on April 18, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
According to the revision history, an anonymous user made an edit at about 2PM CDT. At that edit, most of the questions disappeared.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 18, 2013, 11:17:53 PM
There's always someone out there who has to be a jerk ... >:(

Do you think we need to repost or could Posi recover the questions?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 18, 2013, 11:31:17 PM
Woot. I tweeted Matt and he restored it.  ;D
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: blackjak on April 18, 2013, 11:47:59 PM
I probably asked the most stupid question. It really bothers me though! It's a mystery!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: eabrace on April 19, 2013, 12:52:58 AM
QuoteWhoever this "anonymous" guy who deleted all the Loregasm questions at 10am this morning... shame on you. FYI, it's restored now. -- @MMODesigner

:)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on April 19, 2013, 03:37:36 AM
Agents of the MMO Killer in action?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Rotten Luck on April 19, 2013, 05:09:10 AM
Quote from: eabrace on April 19, 2013, 12:52:58 AM
:)

I.. I just have too...

"It's a Nemesis Plot!" confess you smiled.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: healix on April 19, 2013, 07:47:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/F9qHClK.gif)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Mentalshock on April 21, 2013, 11:43:18 AM
Anyone else unable to access?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: goodtime on April 21, 2013, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: Mentalshock on April 21, 2013, 11:43:18 AM
Anyone else unable to access?
Question-taking is over as of last night, they'll be answering it and we should expect it in about a week.

As per Matt Miller's tweet. (https://twitter.com/MMODesigner/status/325718799695372288)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Tiberian Fiend on April 22, 2013, 10:11:05 AM
Missed it.  :(  My laundry list of questions...
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: dwturducken on April 22, 2013, 12:23:36 PM
I end up not doing these. All of my questions are ones that I know won't get answers. :)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Quinch on April 22, 2013, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: Tiberian Fiend on April 22, 2013, 10:11:05 AM
Missed it.  :(  My laundry list of questions...

There's always next time.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Safehouse on April 23, 2013, 02:25:03 AM
I wish I'd found this a couple days ago... :( I have some questions that I'm itching to have answered
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Maressa on April 26, 2013, 01:12:07 PM
I don't suppose we know when we can expect to see the answers? Can't wait to give them a read!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: eabrace on April 26, 2013, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: Maressa on April 26, 2013, 01:12:07 PMI don't suppose we know when we can expect to see the answers? Can't wait to give them a read!

QuoteOn April 28th, 2013, Matt Miller and other members of the Paragon Design team will put answers to lore-related questions of City of Heroes to questions that are in this public document.
;)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Maressa on April 26, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
Quote from: eabrace on April 26, 2013, 01:29:57 PM
;)

Oh hey! Nice, Don't mind my noobishness. Nothing to see! :o ??? ;D
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Safehouse on April 26, 2013, 09:39:43 PM
Quote from: Maressa on April 26, 2013, 01:35:36 PM
Oh hey! Nice, Don't mind my noobishness. Nothing to see! :o ??? ;D

I anxiously await the answers! And the questions of course, haha. Want to do the #9reasons thing too. What a way to celebrate the anniversary - if we can't be on the game we might as well be learning about lore!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Kaos Arcanna on April 28, 2013, 10:17:53 PM
Matt updated his twitter regarding Loregasm:

Quote
For those awaiting the #Loregasm document to be opened up... I am still chasing down some ex-devs who can answer some questions.

So hopefully the answers will come soon. :D
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Jetfire99 on April 29, 2013, 08:31:10 PM
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on April 28, 2013, 10:17:53 PM
Matt updated his twitter regarding Loregasm:

So hopefully the answers will come soon. :D

Cue the Benny Hill Music!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Jachim on May 03, 2013, 09:36:21 AM
So what happened to this? Any word? Am I blind?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: eabrace on May 03, 2013, 11:59:15 AM
No update from Matt yet.  I figure I'll wait for Monday (giving him at least a week) before I ask over Twitter.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: eabrace on May 07, 2013, 06:34:42 PM
The document is now updated with answers.

https://t.co/tFZeAWpnSd

(Haven't had a chance to look yet, myself, but plan to do so later tonight.)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: LadyWizard on May 07, 2013, 06:35:10 PM
He does say a few didn't get answered
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Golden Girl on May 07, 2013, 06:57:04 PM
The Malta answer was epic :P
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Thunder Glove on May 07, 2013, 07:08:39 PM
Aaaaaand I'm sad all over again.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Golden Girl on May 07, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
Villains only being 20% of the player base seems even lower than expected.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: dwturducken on May 07, 2013, 07:28:23 PM
I'm intrigued by the question answered by "@Neiltyson." Joke or coincidence?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Omega Force 1990 on May 08, 2013, 04:24:14 AM
Huh, I guessed right about how Silos was getting around the Carbon Law. 

And the lore bible has an answer for Dr. Mechanor about the inanimate DE monsters:  Hamidon created telekinetic mold.  The psychic mold uses the rocks it is on to fashion a useful body.

I think Star Strider would have fit better in Vanguard than the Dark Cowboy.

Vigilante Widower Manticore + Countess Crey?  Yeah, I'd read that comic.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Golden Girl on May 08, 2013, 04:41:58 AM
Quote from: Omega Force 1990 on May 08, 2013, 04:24:14 AM
Vigilante Widower Manticore + Countess Crey?  Yeah, I'd read that comic.

That might have been the rumored "50 Shades of Crey" storyline they were planning.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on May 10, 2013, 04:51:10 AM
Looks like I can claim "the last" first post after a 'red name' unless their is a Loregasm 2014.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Tiberian Fiend on May 13, 2013, 09:33:47 AM
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 07, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
Villains only being 20% of the player base seems even lower than expected.
That's a lot higher than I expected.  I would've put it at 10%, especially towards the end.

I hope you social network types bug them to do one more of these Loregasms.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Little David on May 13, 2013, 11:16:52 AM
Quote from: Thunder Glove on May 07, 2013, 07:08:39 PM
Aaaaaand I'm sad all over again.

You and me both.

I especially felt the desire to do a German Suplex on an NCSoft suit after seeing that Paragon was in the middle of working with Rooster Teeth on the Freedom Phalanx deal.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Safehouse on May 13, 2013, 11:30:19 AM
The definition of bittersweet... I miss this game. I would have loved to fight Battalion and the Dimensionless, not to mention possibly creating a new Freedom Phalanx character to actually appear in game. To see what AMAZING stuff they had in store for us... :gonk:
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Cold Bob on May 14, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
Loregasm 2013 was well worth the wait. (I missed out on contributing questions to the original AMA.) I got good answers to all four of my questions, and there was a lot of juicy information throughout the entire document, almost as much as the original exercise back in September, in terms of quality.

I'm not going to hold my breath for Loregasm 2014, but then again, I don't need to: I finally got an answer about "Elysium", an itch I've wanted to have scratched since hearing rumours about its existence in 2005.

Thanks Positron, et. al., for taking the time and making the effort to acknowledge what would have been the 9th anniversary of CoH with the Loregasm 2013 document.

Thank you, thank you, very, very much!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on May 15, 2013, 12:13:14 AM
And I forgot to ask my essential question:

"Why didn't the Rularuu Invasion event ever return?"

Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: srmalloy on May 15, 2013, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: saipaman on May 15, 2013, 12:13:14 AMAnd I forgot to ask my essential question:

"Why didn't the Rularuu Invasion event ever return?"

Judging from the board commentary when it was going on, it never came back because it was too intrusive. Remember what it was like to be on the receiving end of a puke volley from a bunch of Vahzilok in the low levels where no one had any Toxic resistance; being on the receiving end of a Rularuu attack felt like that, except that it was because none of them ever seemed to miss; their inherent accuracy bonus rendered them able to ignore pretty much any level of Defense that characters would have at lower levels. Small groups of Rularuu were routinely dropping characters several levels higher than them. Players would be zooming through the streets to get to their next mission, come around a corner to discover a spawn of Rularuu, and would be on the ground almost before they could react. The devs would have had to do a redesign either on the mobs themselves or on the way that they spawned so that lower-level heroes would have a better chance against them, and their focus was always on other things. Remember that this was back before we got many of the QoL improvements that we were accustomed to in the later years of the game; there was less ability to tweak the way things worked back then.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Golden Girl on May 15, 2013, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: Cold Bob on May 14, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
I'm not going to hold my breath for Loregasm 2014

That'll be the 10th anniversary :P
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on May 16, 2013, 01:03:20 AM
I missed it because it was a "lost" part of the game.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: General Idiot on May 16, 2013, 03:33:06 AM
I think if they'd ever gotten to revamping the Shadow Shard they'd probably have given us another rularuu invasion, likely in a modified form though.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on May 16, 2013, 11:35:57 PM
It would have been good to have the invasion tied to the Shard TFs.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: TimtheEnchanter on May 17, 2013, 02:39:29 AM
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 07, 2013, 07:15:54 PMVillains only being 20% of the player base seems even lower than expected.

The trouble is, it was never really City of Villains. It was more like City of Lord Recluse Lackeys.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Kistulot on May 17, 2013, 04:47:02 AM
Quote from: TimtheEnchanter on May 17, 2013, 02:39:29 AM
The trouble is, it was never really City of Villains. It was more like City of Lord Recluse Lackeys.

They had started to do a lot to rectify that, but honestly, what villain worth their salt would want to live on a dump like the isles?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Tiberian Fiend on May 17, 2013, 05:36:17 AM
Quote from: TimtheEnchanter on May 17, 2013, 02:39:29 AM
The trouble is, it was never really City of Villains. It was more like Islands of Lord Recluse Lackeys.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Little David on May 17, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 07, 2013, 07:15:54 PM
Villains only being 20% of the player base seems even lower than expected.

Just re-read that part ... that certainly explains a lot, like why it seemed impossible to earn any zone event rewards redside, at least on Guardian. I always thought that most villain players were just uninterested, whereas it was a lot easier to get heroes together for a zone event.

Tangent here, but as much as I loved the concept and mechanics behind zone events, the fact that it required a "critical mass" of participating characters to get the full rewards bothered me. Would've been nice if they had a mechanic to adjust for the general population likely to participate.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: dwturducken on May 17, 2013, 05:53:49 PM
I was always under the impression that villainy was less a team activity than heroism. :)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: eabrace on May 17, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Quote from: dwturducken on May 17, 2013, 05:53:49 PM
I was always under the impression that villainy was less a team activity than heroism. :)
There's no 'I' in "hero".

"Villain", however...
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: blackjak on May 17, 2013, 06:04:14 PM
I mainly played blueside, but my redside characters felt odd when teaming. I even ran an arrows defender redside and needed the teamups! He was a bounty hunter so it didn't feel too odd. My other villains were a possessed teenager (who would have teamed more if I would have played her more) and a character that I (for some misguided reason) decided would be completely mute and only use emotes to communicate ingame. That didn't help with teams at all.  :-\
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: JaguarX on May 17, 2013, 06:59:57 PM
Quote from: Little David on May 17, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
Just re-read that part ... that certainly explains a lot, like why it seemed impossible to earn any zone event rewards redside, at least on Guardian. I always thought that most villain players were just uninterested, whereas it was a lot easier to get heroes together for a zone event.

Tangent here, but as much as I loved the concept and mechanics behind zone events, the fact that it required a "critical mass" of participating characters to get the full rewards bothered me. Would've been nice if they had a mechanic to adjust for the general population likely to participate.

Yeah, there didnt seem to be many villains players hanging around, especially on the likes of Victory server. If I wanted an accolade that required a team to get in all or portion of it, had to go to hero side, switch to virtue, and get the hero side equivalent, switch back to villians go back to Victory to have it on a Victory server character.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Xnarl on May 20, 2013, 07:35:26 PM
So, if Lady Grey is a Battailion mole. and Mender Tesseract is an important redeemed Battailion agent...
Is Tesseract Grey's future?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Little David on May 20, 2013, 08:20:26 PM
Quote from: Xnarl on May 20, 2013, 07:35:26 PM
So, if Lady Grey is a Battailion mole. and Mender Tesseract is an important redeemed Battailion agent...
Is Tesseract Grey's future?

...

Welp, we've got something to ask for Loregasm 2014!
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: JKPhage on June 05, 2013, 03:52:55 AM
I wish I had noticed this earlier so I could have submitted my own question. Of course, it wouldn't have dawned on me by that point so kind of moot I suppose. Since we have a slight bit of speculation going here: Whilst exploring the Antimatter personal story map (Underground tunnels infested by Hamidon and apparently intended to house an encounter with the Avatar of Hamidon) I noticed a section of the tunnel that looked like teeth/a mouth and suddenly had this moment of clarity. I'd always taken note of the fact that all of playable Praetoria pre-First/Night Ward was situated on a man-made island and populated by artificial plant-life, and seeing that mouth-like opening made me wonder: Is it possible that, being the Incarnate of Earth (or whatever he was incarnate of), Praetorian Hamidon was THE EARTH ITSELF? Slightly crazy notion, I know, but keep in mind, Praetorian Hami was unbelievably/immeasurably powerful, to the point that it was never contained but merely convinced to give humanity a very small chance to live after what I can only assume was pleading on the part of the most powerful metahuman on the planet. *Shrug* Just a thought I had and figured I'd toss out for the lore-minded among us since we're on the topic. :)
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: Zombie Hustler on June 05, 2013, 10:25:53 PM
Can't believe I forgot to check back in on the answers until now. Very interesting, although perhaps not quite as informative as the previous Lore installment.

All of this info on Lady Grey as a deep cover agent of the Battalion is curious, though. I find myself going back and trying to think if there were any hints of it beforehand; the only thing I can think of is that whole scene between Lady Grey and Nemesis during Serpent Drummer's arc takes on a whole new depth in light of this revelation.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: saipaman on June 06, 2013, 04:19:25 AM
It's not surprising there are fewer revelations this time around.  After all, memories fade and at some point, all that can be said, has been said.
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: srmalloy on June 06, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
And I'm kicking myself for having spaced on the question I'd had for some time... The Kronos Titan looks like a scaled-up Zeus Titan; since the Zeus Titans are the result of two Hercules Titans combining, are the 'giant monster' Kronos Titans the result of two 'monster' Titans combining (i.e., two Ouranos Titans combine to make a Kronos Titan)? And if so, would we ever see the 'component' Titans in-game?
Title: Re: Loregasm 2013
Post by: General Idiot on June 07, 2013, 02:42:50 AM
Should've been a trial or taskforce boss at some point. Like the Siege/Nightstar fight in the BAF, but instead of them reviving if you don't kill them at the same time, they combine into something bigger and meaner.