http://thedisneyblog.com/2012/12/19/disney-ceo-bob-iger-talks-marvel-theme-park/
This actually bodes well.
Quote from: HEATSTROKE on December 22, 2012, 03:28:49 AM
how. give us your thoughts
Disney is showing cape love, and expanding their cape enterprizes.
CAPERPRIZE
I assume Disney is not able to leverage Marvel East of the Mississippi specifically Florida, because of the parks that are already using the Marvel IP. There are attractions at Universal Studios Florida - Islands of Adventures. But if they were to say pick up the City of Heroes IP they would not be prohibited from using it in Florida.
This bodes terribly.
you don't understand the complexity of this venture on thier behalf.
this is thier response to our plight, and it's little more than them rubbing us off thier shoulders without even giving us a reply. (typical response for a corporation about this sort of fan request)
heres what happened: we sent Disney mail about picking up city of heroes, they read the mail; then held a board meeting where the topic was brought up. it probably went something like this:
Quoteok and one other order of business before we adjurn: there is a request for us to pick up the intellectual property rights to City of Heroes.
whats the catch?
the request is made by the fans and doing so would cost us more than 80 million dollars.
oh.. what are the other options for super hero rights?
Hey I got an idea lets make a merger with marvel comics and tag onto thier soon to be released MMO, we'll offer them theme park space. it's win win and probably wont cost anywhere near 80 million.
all in favor of pursuing marvel?
nearly all agree.
Quote from: Joshex on December 22, 2012, 05:04:40 AM. Hey I got an idea lets make a merger with marvel comics and tag onto thier soon to be released MMO, we'll offer them theme park space. it's win win and probably wont cost anywhere near 80 million.
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It would cost in excess of 100 million to build an amusement park addition. Architectural and engineering services alone would be in the range of 10 million. One large steel rollercoaster can cost between 8 and 25 million. Shall we talk materials and construction services just for the shell buildings. Plus just because "Imagineering" will do the design does not mean it will not cost Disney money, they are some of the best paid Architects and Engineers in the business.
Quote from: Joshex on December 22, 2012, 05:04:40 AM
This bodes terribly.
you don't understand the complexity of this venture on thier behalf.
this is thier response to our plight, and it's little more than them rubbing us off thier shoulders without even giving us a reply. (typical response for a corporation about this sort of fan request)
heres what happened: we sent Disney mail about picking up city of heroes, they read the mail; then held a board meeting where the topic was brought up. it probably went something like this:
Erm... Disney had Marvel before all of the CoH stuff hit. It has nothing to do with us. No conspiracy there.
Quote from: HEATSTROKE on December 22, 2012, 03:28:49 AM
how. give us your thoughts
It means that if they want something to put in their Florida parks that is superhero themed, it has to be something other than Marvel.
It also means they are LOOKING at superhero themed things, showing an increase in general interest.
Quote from: Joshex on December 22, 2012, 05:04:40 AM
This bodes terribly.
you don't understand the complexity of this venture on thier behalf.
this is thier response to our plight, and it's little more than them rubbing us off thier shoulders without even giving us a reply. (typical response for a corporation about this sort of fan request)
heres what happened: we sent Disney mail about picking up city of heroes, they read the mail; then held a board meeting where the topic was brought up. it probably went something like this:
Uh, I hate to burst your bubble, dear, but at the moment we are perhaps being barely noticed by Disney. They certainly would not hold a board meeting about us.
Also, your figure of 80 million dollars is WILDLY high. The IPs of ALL of the closed games that NCSoft holds, tallied together, are valued in their stockholder report at $3 million. Granted, that was before CoH closed and joined them, but I highly doubt that CoH would be valued at 25 times more than all of the other closed games combined.
Now, this happens to be the forum that is being run by Team Wildcard. We are focused on trying to get someone to buy the IP. I therefore request you to refrain from defeatist comments here. I'm not saying we need to be all rah-rah here, but we don't need defeatism, we need activism. Come up with something constructive, please, instead of defeatist. Being doom and gloom on this board is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and pisses the pig off, and sometimes, the pig will bite you for it.
Thanks for understanding.
Quote from: Lily Barclay on December 22, 2012, 06:36:22 AM
Erm... Disney had Marvel before all of the CoH stuff hit. It has nothing to do with us. No conspiracy there.
very well I guess I hadn't paid any attention to that news and came to an assumptions based on the text here.
still even that doesn't bode well. you must realize you can only be DC or Marvel you can't be both or you'll be in a court session of rights abuse, DC and Marvel are not keen on merging with any competition even eachother, that includes CoH, if so disney may already have a bias against City of heroes with the information you just supplied. or Marvel might be threatening disney not to adopt us.
enough being defeatist, moving towards nuetral ground: I heard it as a rumor that NCSoft agreed to sell the rights to CoH for 80 million regardless what it's really worth. sort of like a price to insure that no one would buy it so that they never have to worry about anyone making the game profitable again for the sake of thier pride.
moving from nuetral to positive: I'm going to attempt to win the lottery and if I am mistaken on the price of the game and it is only 1-3 million I'm sure I will buy it (only if I can win that much)
on a more realistic positive note, maybe, just maybe if we are very polite we can talk not only to disney but to marvel, if we could get marvel and disney to cooperatively pick-up CoH causing a merge of CoH and marvel I.. I can only see good things. and to tell the truth I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
I can see only bad, really. The dilution of our world most prominent among them.
Quote from: Joshex on December 22, 2012, 07:20:41 AM
very well I guess I hadn't paid any attention to that news and came to an assumptions based on the text here.
still even that doesn't bode well. you must realize you can only be DC or Marvel you can't be both or you'll be in a court session of rights abuse, DC and Marvel are not keen on merging with any competition even eachother, that includes CoH, if so disney may already have a bias against City of heroes with the information you just supplied. or Marvel might be threatening disney not to adopt us.
I personally doubt that, since the only games that Marvel has out are absolutely nothing like COH. You can't even play your own player-made character, only color variations on Marvel characters. CoH is nothing like a threat to those games.
Mind you, Marvel won't be threatening Disney anyway. Disney owns them. They will do what Disney tells them to.
Quoteenough being defeatist, moving towards nuetral ground: I heard it as a rumor that NCSoft agreed to sell the rights to CoH for 80 million regardless what it's really worth. sort of like a price to insure that no one would buy it so that they never have to worry about anyone making the game profitable again for the sake of thier pride.
That is a rumor that I personally debunked 2 months ago via a conversation with Brian.
Quotemoving from nuetral to positive: I'm going to attempt to win the lottery and if I am mistaken on the price of the game and it is only 1-3 million I'm sure I will buy it (only if I can win that much)
on a more realistic positive note, maybe, just maybe if we are very polite we can talk not only to disney but to marvel, if we could get marvel and disney to cooperatively pick-up CoH causing a merge of CoH and marvel I.. I can only see good things. and to tell the truth I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
We don't need to talk to Marvel. As I pointed out, Disney owns Marvel, not the other way around. We only need to talk to Disney, which is exactly what we are doing. Check the stickied thread at the top of the board; "Team Wildcard Needs You! TF Hail Mary LFM." This is our current call to action. It is by NO means going to be our last.
Quote from: Terwyn on December 22, 2012, 07:26:30 AM
I can see only bad, really. The dilution of our world most prominent among them.
Not sure what you mean by that, Terwyn. Remember, unlike the Marvel franchise, CoH is completely unknown by 99% of the general population. There really isn't anything there to dilute, so far as the rest of the world is concerned.
However, this would present an excellent opportunity to build a brand.
Quote from: Victoria Victrix on December 22, 2012, 07:31:14 AM
Not sure what you mean by that, Terwyn. Remember, unlike the Marvel franchise, CoH is completely unknown by 99% of the general population. There really isn't anything there to dilute, so far as the rest of the world is concerned.
However, this would present an excellent opportunity to build a brand.
While it is true that legal cross overs would be an excellent method of building a brand, I worry that what makes CoX unique may well end up threatened if it isn't handled the right way.
Quote from: Terwyn on December 22, 2012, 07:34:06 AM
While it is true that legal cross overs would be an excellent method of building a brand, I worry that what makes CoX unique may well end up threatened if it isn't handled the right way.
What's unique about CoX has always been the community. I share your concern, but again, Disney has a pretty good track record of taking things that are successful and
leaving them alone.
Quote from: Victoria Victrix on December 22, 2012, 10:31:41 AM
What's unique about CoX has always been the community. I share your concern, but again, Disney has a pretty good track record of taking things that are successful and leaving them alone.
This makes me wonder what they'll do with Star Wars, being that it became terrible and now is theirs. Off topic, but still a curiosity.
That said, they HAVE shown a track record for this. They dont just change things to change them.
Quote from: Joshex on December 22, 2012, 07:20:41 AMstill even that doesn't bode well. you must realize you can only be DC or Marvel you can't be both or you'll be in a court session of rights abuse, DC and Marvel are not keen on merging with any competition even eachother, that includes CoH, if so disney may already have a bias against City of heroes with the information you just supplied. or Marvel might be threatening disney not to adopt us.
In case you didn't realize, Disney
owns Marvel. There's no way Marvel can 'threaten' Disney. It's an LLC subsidiary. That would be like your left big toe threatening the rest of your body. Patently ridiculous and thoroughly impossible. I don't understand where you're bringing DC into this. CoH is not and has never been part of DC's franchises. There is no conflict of interest involved with Disney acquiring the CoH IP - the only obstacle is NCsoft's willingness to sell and Disney's willingness to buy.
Quoteenough being defeatist, moving towards nuetral ground: I heard it as a rumor that NCSoft agreed to sell the rights to CoH for 80 million regardless what it's really worth. sort of like a price to insure that no one would buy it so that they never have to worry about anyone making the game profitable again for the sake of thier pride.
The 80 million pricetag is kinda shaky - nobody can get firm word on whether that was or wasn't the number quoted. It's also patently ridiculous, set so arbitrarily above the IP's actual worth that it can only be construed as a roundabout way of saying "no we aren't selling." Since then, NCsoft's undergone a dip in price on the stock market, entered into a stockholding relationship with Nexon, and now has basically reorganized their entire holdings east of the Pacific. Considering all of this upheaval they've undergone, now's the perfect time to approach them with an easy way to earn a quick buck, get a nasty PR monkey off their back, and earn some western-market goodwill at the same time. That's what selling CoH would be for them.
Quotemoving from nuetral to positive: I'm going to attempt to win the lottery and if I am mistaken on the price of the game and it is only 1-3 million I'm sure I will buy it (only if I can win that much)
on a more realistic positive note, maybe, just maybe if we are very polite we can talk not only to disney but to marvel, if we could get marvel and disney to cooperatively pick-up CoH causing a merge of CoH and marvel I.. I can only see good things. and to tell the truth I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
Once again I gotta reiterate:
Disney owns Marvel. By talking to Disney, we
are talking to Marvel. Or rather, talking to Marvel's superiors, the people who can tell them "hey, we're acquiring a new IP and universe and we're putting it under your management" if they so choose.
As I've said, the
only obstacles to Disney's purchase are NCsoft and Disney themselves.
Though hey if you win the lotto and get enough after taxes to throw down $80 mil in cash, and have the willingness to do so, then more power to you. You'd certainly be doing this community a favor.
EDIT: I realize VV's beaten me by a country mile here, but there's a few points I wanted to state anyway.
I was merely referencing that Marvel views any other superhero universe as a competitor.
that being said, yeah disney owns marvel, which is why if they don't see the option of merging Marvel and CoH, then they can and will only view CoH as 2 things 1: a threat to thier currently owned superhero franchise, 2: a laughable suggestion due to the first option.
I think some effort needs to be made to convice disney and marvel that merging with CoH is a very good idea.
Also winning the lottery has appeared to fail for me, unless the numbers magically change.. didn't even match a single number in the powerball..
Quote from: Joshex on December 23, 2012, 05:53:29 AMWhich is why if they don't see the option of merging Marvel and CoH, then they can and will only view CoH as 2 things 1: a threat to thier currently owned superhero franchise, 2: a laughable suggestion due to the first option.
And you seem to not realize that Disney
already owns and works with other superhero franchisesFor instance,
The Incredibles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredibles)? That ain't Marvel, but it's put out by Disney/Pixar.
Sky High (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_High_%282005_film%29)? Also not Marvel, put out by Disney, Gunn Films, and Max Stronghold Productions Inc.
Judge Dredd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dredd_%28film%29) is owned by IPC Media, and the movie was put out in the United States by Hollywood Pictures, a
Disney subsidiary. Unbreakable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbreakable_%28film%29) is an original by M. Night Shyalaman, and is distributed by Touchstone Pictures, a subsidiary of Walt Disney Studios.
None of these are seen as a threat to Marvel, are they? No. Marvel hasn't tried to arrange for their distribution to end, has it? No - it can't. You seem to be of this idea that Marvel has some sort of control over Disney, or some leverage to affect decisions. It doesn't. Disney could literally shut Marvel down on a whim and there's nothing Marvel could do about it (it'd be a stupid idea, but it's one Disney could make). Marvel cannot 'take its ball and go home' or sever ties with Disney - it is
owned by Disney and only exists as an independent entity because Disney allows it to. If Marvel even
tried something like that, they'd be promptly reorganized into a smaller LLC that's more closely tied and reliant to the parent company, much as NCsoft is doing with ex-NCWest right now.
Finally, there is no threat posed by CoH to Marvel or its franchises - at least, not by Disney's viewpoint. For one, CoH is a well-established and respected superhero MMO with numerous fans just
waiting to get back in and resubscribe. The Marvel MMO is almost not an MMO - it's a Diablo-clone featuring Marvel characters. It's a different genre of game - the only similarity with CoH is that it involves superheroes and is multiplayer.
From Disney's standpoint, if they were to purchase CoH and run it concurrently with their "Marvel MMO," they would basically have fingers in two parts of the MMO market. Those looking for a Diablo-like (competing with Torchlight and Diablo itself) and those looking for a conventional MMO (Competing with Champions Online and DCUO). They would have a new stable of characters to use, which they could work into Marvel crossovers or even incorporate into the Marvel universe if they so wished - or keep them separate and use them on their own merits, as they have with The Incredibles.
We know that with Disney's clout and a little advertising budget, City of Heroes can thrive again. If it can thrive under NCsoft's mismanagement, I can only imagine what it will be capable of under a responsible owner. If Disney treats it responsibly, it's not going to flop, and it's not going to fail for a long time. Obtaining it at a reasonable price from NCsoft (if NCsoft will give them a reasonable price - something they'll likely be put under pressure by their shareholders to do) will be both cheaper
and faster for Disney than building their own game. Getting CoH means profits more-or-less immediately, compared to waiting another year or two for their Marvel MMO to pan out -
with no guarantee it even will. Even if running CoH
does pull players from the "Marvel MMO" that's
still money in Disney's pocket either way - and it's money taken away from Champs Online and DCUO, who currently dominate the Superhero MMO niche, with CoH's closure.
So, if you stop and think about it, getting CoH and running it properly is a pretty sweet deal for Disney. Nice and low-risk; they know how it will likely perform, since it's performed before. The only question is can they get it at a reasonable price from NCsoft, assuming NC's willing to sell? And as I'll reiterate,
Disney's viewpoint is the ony viewpoint that matters, Marvel has no say in the matter.
So... where's this mysterious conflict of interest you keep seeing?
Quote from: Joshex on December 23, 2012, 05:53:29 AM
I was merely referencing that Marvel views any other superhero universe as a competitor.
that being said, yeah disney owns marvel, which is why if they don't see the option of merging Marvel and CoH, then they can and will only view CoH as 2 things 1: a threat to thier currently owned superhero franchise, 2: a laughable suggestion due to the first option.
I think some effort needs to be made to convice disney and marvel that merging with CoH is a very good idea.
Also winning the lottery has appeared to fail for me, unless the numbers magically change.. didn't even match a single number in the powerball..
Since you have not even looked at the stickied thread I asked you to look at I will sum it up for you here.
A four man team, including myself, the most respected Internet Marketing Specialist in the English-speaking world, a profession journalist and a senior IT tech, overseen by Paragon Studios senior employees, put together a
31 page "pitch" document for Disney that can be adapted to every other possible target to buy CoH.
I should think 31 pages is enough to convince anyone, if they can be convinced at all. Is that "effort" enough for you?
Quote from: Victoria Victrix on December 23, 2012, 06:31:53 AMI should think 31 pages is enough to convince anyone, if they can be convinced at all. Is that "effort" enough for you?
Not to mention the fact that we can confirm a minimum of three-dozen hand-written followups to said 31-page packet just by looking at the pertinent thread on this site.
While I didn't hand-write mine, I did send a letter each to Pleasants and Iger (I finally had them ready about a week in, and some independent digging coupled with some things said on the forums had led me to believe that those were the really relevant ones, anyway), along with each of them being on my Christmas card list, "signed" by about a dozen of my characters on each, it's hard to say how many have responded to this call. While giving this effort a separate forum, so to speak, instead of giving it a CtA on the Save Paragon one probably is a good idea, as far as organization, have we weakened or limited the message? How many people are looking at the Titan Networks fora as a whole, and how many are just hitting one or another or maybe a handful of sections? I know I do not look at everything.
Looking at the numbers on the MMOSite poll, CoH has a total of 20045 votes in 16 days of voting. Assuming the same people voted every day, once for each category, that's a little more that 625 people. The question really is, how many letters does it take to get Disney's attention, and can we muster that many? I know I plan to have a couple more ready for when they come back from the holiday break. Can we get a better showing for this than we're managing for the MMOSite polls?
I doubt a million letters would be enough to get Disney to buy the game. But I applaud the effort for what it is nonetheless.
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 24, 2012, 03:11:14 AM
I doubt a million letters would be enough to get Disney to buy the game. But I applaud the effort for what it is nonetheless.
thankk you Debbie Downer
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 24, 2012, 03:11:14 AM
I doubt a million letters would be enough to get Disney to buy the game. But I applaud the effort for what it is nonetheless.
Well, if you don't think that one million people willing to spend time, effort and postage to save a game, and then continue spending that money on Disney's products should it decide to buy the game would be enough to convince Disney that it's worth the investment, that's well within your rights. I just think you're on crack for thinking it.
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 24, 2012, 03:11:14 AM
I doubt a million letters would be enough to get Disney to buy the game. But I applaud the effort for what it is nonetheless.
There's a mantra in business that says that for every person who writes in to complain about something, or ask for something to be changed or done, there's a dozen more that were just too lazy to write in.
That said, I would suggest that if you're going to be negative, be informative about why you've come to that perspective--or else you're going to get a lot of responses like the above "debbie downer" remark and no one will take you seriously when you do have a valid point.
The only reason I'm getting these responses is because I don't subscribe to group-think. Short of rah-rah'ing it's clear that expression of conflicting opinion isn't welcomed. I don't really care about popularity points so no biggie.
I do wish to reiterate, however, that I applaud the effort even if I personally believe it to be futile. I've written my own letters, voted in polls, etc. I just think it isn't going to work.
Sorry if my opinion in any way appears to invalidate yours. It shouldn't.
Duly noted. That said... you still haven't said why you think any amount of initiative from the players wouldn't have any effect.
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 24, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
The only reason I'm getting these responses is because I don't subscribe to group-think. Short of rah-rah'ing it's clear that expression of conflicting opinion isn't welcomed. I don't really care about popularity points so no biggie.
I do wish to reiterate, however, that I applaud the effort even if I personally believe it to be futile. I've written my own letters, voted in polls, etc. I just think it isn't going to work.
Sorry if my opinion in any way appears to invalidate yours. It shouldn't.
The reason you're getting these responses, is because when people are rallying together, they don't appreciate being told that there's no possible chance it will succeed. We all know that the chances are low, if even existent. I would be powerfully shocked if any of us thought it was just one more letter and bam, CoH is saved.
But saying that you're only getting negative responses to a negative attitude because you don't subscribe to groupthink is offensive. We're all banding together to be positive, and to work towards a goal. We're glad that you're a part of that effort, but we're not going to smile give you a thumbs up and cheer for you saying its a waste of time. Is it? It might be. But we're trying.
Accusing people of responding negatively due to groupthink is pretty winged sparklepony. Doubleplus ungood, chap.
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 24, 2012, 04:20:17 PMThe only reason I'm getting these responses is because I don't subscribe to group-think.
It's mostly as Kistulot said. We
realize our chances are slim to nil. Even if we
can line up Disney, Valve, and god-only-knows-who-else, NCsoft can just abjectly refuse to sell. It would be a terrible decision, considering how much stock value they've lost in the past year alone, but it's one within their rights to make.
Dissenting opinions, saying we're not going to succeed, or explaining that we've got about a snowball's chance in fire-and-brimstone Hell,
are unhelpful and counterproductive. You're A). not telling us anything we don't already know, and B). irritating us with the negativity. Then you further insult us by insinuating that we're 'submitting to groupthink' by remaining positive in the face of this adversity.
You honestly think this is 'groupthink' here? That somehow we wouldn't have chosen this if we were 'thinking rationally'? Well, I can't speak for others, but I know I voluntarily chose to support Task Force Hail Mary. Why? Because it represents the best and most well-organized legal attempt to reopen City of Heroes. Sure, not all the information is public, but NDAs exist and I can't encourage breaking them. Further, VV and the rest of TFHM aren't asking for money, or personal information, or anything else from us except postage for a couple letters, and a little time and effort spent writing them.
A chance, however slim, to save CoH, in exchange for a snailmailing a couple letters. For me, that's not too much to ask.
If you have a better plan that results in the return of a legal, operating City of Heroes server, be my guest to outline it. If I think it's good, I'll support it. Until then, I will thank you to stop complaining at the people who are actually trying to
do something, regardless of the odds.
Actually I have been thinking lately. If Disney does buy CoH, fingers crossed, it would make the most sense to combine it, or feed it, to Marvel. I mean that in a good way of course Marvel is the comic book/super hero experts it would make the most sense for them to take it on. To keep CoH and Marvel as two separate entities within Disney wouldn't make much sense to me, but then again I have no business education. I could see CoH becoming a separate project of Marvel or the worst case scenario, which is still pretty good, part of the Marvel universe(Which I don't think would happen). Although Statesman would make a good Marvel character....
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 24, 2012, 04:20:17 PM
The only reason I'm getting these responses is because I don't subscribe to group-think. Short of rah-rah'ing it's clear that expression of conflicting opinion isn't welcomed. I don't really care about popularity points so no biggie.
I do wish to reiterate, however, that I applaud the effort even if I personally believe it to be futile. I've written my own letters, voted in polls, etc. I just think it isn't going to work.
Sorry if my opinion in any way appears to invalidate yours. It shouldn't.
This forum was created
specifically to
support the Team Wildcard efforts. If you do not wish to support them, please take the advice of Thumper's mother. "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." This is not, as you put it, "rah-rah groupthink."
We are doing our best. We are
very aware of the odds. So stop jiggling our elbows as we fly.
C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Han Solo: Never tell me the odds.
What's disappointing is you seem hell bent on chasing away what dwindling support you can have simply because you can't tolerate any opinion that dissents from your own.
I've written my letters. I've done all that was asked. Not saying something nice is my right. Although I don't think I've said anything "not nice," just something that disagrees with the quickly-becoming-a-clique mantra.
But like I said, I'm not in this for popularity points. If you don't want my support, then so be it.
I think it is clear that you don't understand the meaning of the phrase "hail Mary play."
There isn't anyone here expecting it to work. There is no "groupthink," there is just a plan with really poor odds against it... And holy heck, we *ALL* know it. It just seems that you're being willfully ignorant of that.
No one has said "ERMAGERD ITS GONNA WORK SO STFU YOU BUTT." So it is perplexing why you are acting as if we all are.
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 25, 2012, 04:25:43 AM
What's disappointing is you seem hell bent on chasing away what dwindling support you can have simply because you can't tolerate any opinion that dissents from your own.
I've written my letters. I've done all that was asked. Not saying something nice is my right. Although I don't think I've said anything "not nice," just something that disagrees with the quickly-becoming-a-clique mantra.
But like I said, I'm not in this for popularity points. If you don't want my support, then so be it.
What's disappointing is that you seem hell-bent on throwing in negative comments at every possible point because you can't tolerate any opinion that dissents from your own.
We've put together the package and sent it for
this pitch. We have, at minimum, another eight to ten to go. Correcting you on that point is my right. Although I don't think you have been at all nice, deciding in your own mind that this has somehow become a clique. Are you jealous of the fact that I am a published author and you are not? Don't be, I will guarantee I am not making nearly the money that you think, my lifestyle is precarious, I have no retirement funds and I will be working until the day I die. I get no holidays, no sick days and no time off. Every moment I spend answering posts is one I could be using to make money.
But I am not in this for popularity points or to boost my image. I'm in a fight at long odds, which is costing me working time, because not fighting is defeatist. If you have something
constructive to say, some angle or approach we haven't thought of (other than adding to the list of pitches or pitch points) please say something. So far all we have heard from you is "this isn't going to work," which is far from helpful. If in your mind this isn't going to work,
what is?
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 25, 2012, 04:25:43 AM
If you don't want my support, then so be it.
This is not really support:
QuoteI doubt a million letters would be enough to get Disney to buy the game.
If that's the kind of support you want to give, then it would be incredibly nice of you to give it to someone else.
Putting aside my bias for CoH "the game", and looking at it from a business/gap perspective:
CoH's strength is its everyman concept, even though it has its own considerable stable of named heroes as well. Everyone can be a superhero, each unique. This is a definitely complimentary concept to Marvel.
It's the G-rated version of Kick-Ass. Or the public-at-large version of The Incredibles.
And it has a villainous public counterpart. It's the superhero version of Star Trek's Mirror, Mirror. Or an interesting version of NBC's Heroes.
Anyone doing even cursory research into CoH from a proposal would see a ready-made example of how an entire city population could be super-powered in a million different unique ways, just by looking at the Unity Rally video. And that's just from the MMO itself, let alone the movie animators taking the raw materials of the design of characters and fleshing it out into a movie topic. I could see CoH *being* a movie about ... itself.
CoH trademarks like: superjump, teleport, superspeed, powersets, costume components could directly be part of a movie concept that simply mimics the COH universe. The mob and villain groups, heroes and lore are already more than enough to populate an entire movie or two. Circle of Thorns, Tsoo, Council, Arachnos, 5th Column, Rikti ... are you kidding? I'd love to see a couple Tsoo sorcerors on screen doing a cooler version of those Big trouble in Little China hats.
How about a superhero movie version of Logan's Run mixed with Escape from New York (Paragon City), where instead of everyone dying at 30, criminals are locked away in a city with a plasma dome and their powers are stripped. Or so the authorities think for decades, until it is discovered that an evil corporation named Portal has long been experimenting on the hapless criminal population, and isolated reports of someone spotted on the inside flying and testing the plasma walls begin to surface. Portal has figured out how to restore powers. However, a side effect of this restoration is a madness (think the Taint on Saidin in The Wheel of Time) which makes them even worse than before their incarceration. So a team of good guy heroes has to infiltrate the bad guys' city to find the source of this restoration and to stop the buildup of powered-up criminals.
"City of Heroes" would be a great movie title, even if the game didn't exist.
Quote from: Tommy2Toes on December 25, 2012, 04:25:43 AM
I've done all that was asked. Not saying something nice is my right. Although I don't think I've said anything "not nice," just something that disagrees with the quickly-becoming-a-clique mantra.
You have a right to do whatever you want. But doing everything you have the rights for is not how you behave in a community. No one here is disagreeing with the core argument you made! It's unlikely. But we're pushing on.
What we have a problem with, is you saying that us working our hardest to stay positive to support eachother an this movement is because we're groupthinking sheep. Do you have a right to be a downer? Yes. Are you being realistic in a way that is helpful or constructive? No. You received criticism and instantaneously claimed it was because of groupthink. That's... there's a lot of words for reacting like that, and none of them are good.
I would recommend stopping for a moment, and considering if maybe anyone here would have a legitimate reason to be personally unhappy and have reasons to disagree. Attacking people because they criticize you (politely) and have legitimate discussion... it's just not helpful, and not very conductive of community.
In this world of negativity, hate and dishonor - I am very happy to stand with a diverse and dedicated group with a single goal, to return City of Heroes and whatever former developers we can muster to working order in a stable environment.
This isn't group think - it is a single focused goal.
We have black, white, native American, Asian, European and all flavors in between. We have socialist working hand in hand with conservatives. We have writers, artists, IT guys, retail workers and unemployed folks. We have in short every type of human being you can imagine finding satisfaction in working as a community to recover what we think is a hidden gem.
The chance to fly, be a hero and do so with other people who also have that goal.
What you call group think - we call a family.
Quote from: Ironwolf on December 26, 2012, 01:13:02 AM
In this world of negativity, hate and dishonor - I am very happy to stand with a diverse and dedicated group with a single goal, to return City of Heroes and whatever former developers we can muster to working order in a stable environment.
This isn't group think - it is a single focused goal.
We have black, white, native American, Asian, European and all flavors in between. We have socialist working hand in hand with conservatives. We have writers, artists, IT guys, retail workers and unemployed folks. We have in short every type of human being you can imagine finding satisfaction in working as a community to recover what we think is a hidden gem.
The chance to fly, be a hero and do so with other people who also have that goal.
What you call group think - we call a family.
Thank you, Ironwolf. I could not possibly have said it better myself.
/em removes hat in homage.
/em realizes she does not have a hat.
Quote from: Victoria Victrix on December 26, 2012, 01:28:00 AM
Thank you, Ironwolf. I could not possibly have said it better myself.
/em removes hat in homage.
/em realizes she does not have a hat.
VV's next line: "OH GAWD MY SCALP HELP! LARRY DO SOMETHING!" 0_o
Hehehe. /em tosses VV a hat so she can take it off. :)
Quote from: Victoria Victrix on December 25, 2012, 02:59:00 AM
C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Han Solo: Never tell me the odds.
Fair odds aren't fun anyway. Hence casino's. Nothing makes victory sweeter then going "Oh ya AND the odds were against me" *wipes lint off shoulder* "but you know, no big deal ;)"
Well, it depends on the game being played, but I agree in general. For the accomplishment, I want the odds stacked against me. When the important thing is to win?
Fair fights are for suckers.