Surprised there isn't already a thread on this.
I didn't get to see the whole episode cause I had to record it, and apparently 60 Minutes went longer than 60 minutes... From what I did see, there was more I didn't like than did. It felt like every other CBS action-drama, and pretty much craps on a lot of existing Trek lore. As a standalone sci-fi show, it might not be bad. Definitely not worth the CBS All Access sub, IMO.
I'll just stick to The Orville for my "new Trek" fix.
I haven't seen it because it's not very... ::puts on sunglasses:: ...Accessible
I read a lot of complaints about it not being on time, due to football. I don't understand how people can still be so dumb. I add an extra hour of recording time to anything on Sundays on channels that has Sunday afternoon football. Some people just get their knickers in a bunch over nothing.
STD: (funny initials) - too dark, too much angled cameras. But STD isn't the only show that bothers me about the new fangled camera angles that new shows use. That may be perhaps why I don't watch a lot of new shows (that, and most are not very good.. yet I love a lot of the 60s shows that would never get made today... Gilligan's Island)
I didn't like the Klingons' new look. What's wrong with the TNG+ Klingons? They just had to be different? The plastic looks a bit wet... slimy Klingons? I didn't realize it when watching, but others complained that all that prosthetics made the Klingon actors stiff in their movements. We won't be seeing any *cough* sexy female Klingons.
The lead character starts off with a mutiny in the first episode? Yeah, not captain material.
Too high tech stuff (Star Wars-like comm device) for a prequel to TOS.
I ain't payin' for special channels. The Orville will be the fun sci-fi near-Star Trek show I'll be watching.
Best TV Trek since DS9 ended, and lots better than any movie in ages.
But still not worth CBS All Access.
Not really fond of the prequel nature nor the new Klingons. Other than Michael, the cast is completely lackluster. Otherwise, it was good.
Quote from: GamingGlen on September 26, 2017, 07:43:53 AM
I read a lot of complaints about it not being on time, due to football. I don't understand how people can still be so dumb. I add an extra hour of recording time to anything on Sundays on channels that has Sunday afternoon football. Some people just get their knickers in a bunch over nothing.
No DVR where I am. Kept seeing the time as 8:30pm, when I tuned in, it still wasn't on. Plus, I was sick that night... when it did come on, I couldn't stay awake. That's not CBS's fault, of course.
I really don't watch anything on CBS, so $5 a month per episode for the 5 months to watch it (now-Nov, then Feb-March for 15 total weeks)... or $25-30 to get it in box-set form after the season is over. Hmm...
Won't watch. And won't help CBS in their con game. The reason they put this on all access is to attempt to leverage the services like Netflix and Hulu into paying more for their programming.
There were a lot of thing I did not care for in this Star Trek. I watched it without reading up on the background, setting, time frame. It seemed bent on taking huge risks, but at the same time repeating cliche failed strategies from earth's past.
I think I need the spoiler thingy here
I was riveted. I did look forward to some explanations. I really wanted it to end as a hologram examination testing Michael's fitness to be a Starfleet captain.
Quote from: pinballdave on September 27, 2017, 05:00:25 AM
There were a lot of thing I did not care for in this Star Trek. I watched it without reading up on the background, setting, time frame. It seemed bent on taking huge risks, but at the same time repeating cliche failed strategies from earth's past.
I think I need the spoiler thingy here
I was riveted. I did look forward to some explanations. I really wanted it to end as a hologram examination testing Michael's fitness to be a Starfleet captain.
Without reading your spoiler thingy I can probably answer your questions, at least if they have anything to do with continuity with the universe. The executives informed the writers that they could completely ignore continuity to tell their story. That it didn't matter if the events and people diverged completely because what "prime" universe meant was that going forward in the show this is the real universe and the other shows and movie had no bearing on it. When I have the time I'll see if I can find the article.
Quote from: Mandu on September 27, 2017, 02:28:02 AM
And won't help CBS in their con game.
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Everyone outside the US gets to watch it on Netflix. Why do I have to pay for yet another streaming service if I want to watch? I'll watch it if it ever becomes available on Netflix or Hulu.
Sorry but to me this isn't a Star Trek TV show. Firstly, the ship, there is no way Star Fleet would go from the NX ship to a ship that has missing places in the saucer section. Secondly, the ship looks Klingon not Star Fleet. The back looks like a D series bird of prey. Third, the Klingons look nothing like the classic, Enterprise, or Next Gen. Klingons. The directors or CBS probably said, lets remake the classic race. Fourth after reading everything that went on, back stage, such as directors writers quitting gave me no hope for the series.
For my Star Trek feel of a show, I will watch Orville.
Yeah, The Orville has been surprisingly good. I was expecting it to just be zany, irreverent nonsense, but it takes itself more seriously than I was expecting. In fact, the humour is largely kinda flat, forced, and has a sort of contractually obligated feel to it. But when it's not forcing the humour, it feels somewhere between TOS and TNG.
The ship doesn't look remotely Klingon, and we've seen Federation ships like this before.
Frankly, it looks better than most Federation ships... Enterprises included.
When does it air next? (in the US) Their site says Sundays at 8:30 Easter, but our local on-screen guide doesn't show it.
It won't air again on US Broadcast stations.
Star Trek: Discovery is only on CBS: All Access going forward. Last Sunday was a preview of the series.
Quote from: Tahquitz on October 02, 2017, 01:47:40 AM
It won't air again on US Broadcast stations.
Star Trek: Discovery is only on CBS: All Access going forward. Last Sunday was a preview of the series.
Wow, they're not going to like the results of that decision.
According to SyFy's Facebook page, STD (heh) has been pirated "a lot" since going to CBS All Access.
Quote from: MyriVerse on September 30, 2017, 01:11:30 PM
The ship doesn't look remotely Klingon, and we've seen Federation ships like this before.
Frankly, it looks better than most Federation ships... Enterprises included.
Sorry I disagree, the real ship has yet to be shown. However, there are videos on YouTube that shows what the ship will look like.
Sorry but for the ship looks that is your opinion, and I respect it. Enterprise's was inspired by the Akira class. To me they only ships the first ship in Discovery that looks better is the Oberth class, and the tier 3 ships in STO.
We saw the real ship (the Discovery) on screen Sunday, and before that, we'd seen it in pictures. It's basically just a weird take on the style of the Enterprise.
The Shenzhou looked more like ships like the Reliant.
Quote from: Night-Hawk07 on October 02, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
According to SyFy's Facebook page, STD (heh) has been pirated "a lot" since going to CBS All Access.
I don't even like Star Trek and I feel like I should torrent it just to delete it. Maybe send CBS some screengrabs.
Quote from: MyriVerse on October 03, 2017, 02:25:42 PM
We saw the real ship (the Discovery) on screen Sunday, and before that, we'd seen it in pictures. It's basically just a weird take on the style of the Enterprise.
The Shenzhou looked more like ships like the Reliant.
It's based on a Ralph McQuarrie concept for what was Star Trek Phase II, I believe.
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Quote from: Night-Hawk07 on October 03, 2017, 07:58:36 PM
It's based on a Ralph McQuarrie concept for what was Star Trek Phase II, I believe.
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I have that book that came out 30 -odd years ago on Phase II. That certainly was the new concept for the Enterprise.
It was all green lights for the series when Star Wars blew up in the movies, so they switched gears and dropped Phase II to make the Motionless Picture.
There were even quite a lot of scripts written for Phase II.
Spock wasn't in it, so they had a Vulcan replacement. The same one that was in the TMP scripts until Nimoy decided to do it and he was written out.
Would have been like the new Will and Grace - same cast just like 10 years later.
I watched last night's episode. I did not know the Federation had holodeck abilities pre-TOS. I thought that was a TNG innovation. And, to my horror, the Klingons took an Admiral hostage. So much canon out the window.
Quote from: pinballdave on October 23, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
I watched last night's episode. I did not know the Federation had holodeck abilities pre-TOS. I thought that was a TNG innovation. And, to my horror, the Klingons took an Admiral hostage. So much canon out the window.
While I understand we have better tech now then in 1966, its the one reason I really don't want to watch this.
So much of it is much more advanced then even TNG or DS9 and they were set 100 years after this show.
Let alone the tech they have that's way better then TOS only 10 years in the future.
So to me it just cant fit into the timeline like it should. And hate they changed the Klingons again just because they could. Makes no sense.
There's a lot of canon bending going on, but nothing really breaking, imo.
Quote from: doc7924 on October 24, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
While I understand we have better tech now then in 1966, its the one reason I really don't want to watch this.
So much of it is much more advanced then even TNG or DS9 and they were set 100 years after this show.
Let alone the tech they have that's way better then TOS only 10 years in the future.
So to me it just cant fit into the timeline like it should. And hate they changed the Klingons again just because they could. Makes no sense.
It's not just you. There is sooooo much that is wrong with this series. Starting from the very first episode to the last.
They seem to be bent on destroying the ST legacy. First the first officer mutinying against the Captain just because she wanted to "protect" the crew. Fine, that is THE same motivation the Captain had. The she is sent to prison, oops she got out and at every chance she rebels.
There is not one reason for them to have holodecks in this timeframe.
Quote from: pinballdave on October 23, 2017, 03:48:46 PM
I watched last night's episode. I did not know the Federation had holodeck abilities pre-TOS. I thought that was a TNG innovation. And, to my horror, the Klingons took an Admiral hostage. So much canon out the window.
Which is one among many reasons I cba to watch it. At least JJ was nice enough to start a new reality altogether.
So, advice ladies and gentlemen: never say never. I didn't pay for the service, but a co-worker introduced it to me after hours and I've caught up to the current episode.
Well, everyone's right.
Pros:
-- Saru... I like him. Best new character in the Star Trek universe in a long time. Just because you've been bred for cowardice doesn't mean you can't be a big damn hero.
-- Lorca is an interesting character. Without giving too much away (recent episodes have M. Night Shyamalan-esque twists, which is the only clue I'll give. If MNS makes you revulse, you know what's coming) I'll say he rightfully steals the spotlight a lot in this series.
-- The Discovery itself is improved a lot after the first ship reveal. It appears smaller than their original design now, has some of the Ralph McQuarrie-ness reduced, and even a 'ring' style saucer making it look more modern. I do like how they touched it up. And it's clear that the Discovery isn't intended to be a battle cruiser. The crew itself seems self-aware that in the beginning, Lorca is forcing the war down their throats, and they resist his inclinations bit by bit to return to their 'explorer' mission they all agreed to pursue. That alone has me interested in finishing the season.
Nit-picks:
-- The past is really unclear. The further they go, the harder they'll have to try to not retcon themselves let alone past series on TV.
-- Klingons being different doesn't bother me too much. What does is that the Klingon arc doesn't garner much empathy from me. Even facing the tribulations of other houses stomping on the earlier antagonist's work in bringing the houses together, I don't care if they succeed, let alone if the Federation manages a peaceful resolution. On that note...
-- Empathy is a vulnerability in the cast to me. Only 2-3 characters I feel any empathy towards concerning their situation. (Dr. Culber didn't have to try. And you know how I regard Saru. I'll let you guess who #3 is. It's not who it should be.) The rest of the cast I have no connection to yet. For the longest time, this included Michael herself... and recent developments have me watching her fall on my fictitious ladder of trust. She's not on the bottom rung yet (where one more 'mistake' I perceive and I'm done watching the series period), but she hasn't made it past the halfway point yet where I want her to win.
Cons:
-- Michael is impetulant at times, betraying her Vulcan background. And for seven years under Georgiou's training, the 'teenage phase' of emotions as a human shouldn't be as odd and uncomfortable as she is now. So is she a character worth redemption? Time will tell. I'm going to hold back judgement until the season is over on whether I think Michael is worth watching further until they finish this in a couple of weeks.
-- The technology is the biggest source of discord with past and future Trek shows. Holodeck before TOS? An experimental technology which isn't in any other series? (To avoid the episode 3 reveal, that's all I'll say. If you seen the show, you know what I mean.) This won't be easy to reconcile, especially with Trekkies. Some of the most unforgiving fans when it comes to continuity issues. (Star Wars fans are more forgiving in my experience.)
-- The plot twistiness doesn't let up really. It's Episode 13, there's two more left, and if they leave the season arc unresolved, that will go a long way in me telling folks whether this show is worth watching further or not. (If I even smell a deus ex machina coming... I'm done.)
Verdict: Flip a coin. At the moment, it's probably right either way.
If you like the show, Ars Technica (https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/01/star-trek-discovery-returns-with-more-fodder-for-the-fan-theories/) has favorable reviews of some of the episodes, while having fair criticism of the others. If you loathe it, so does the AV Club (https://www.avclub.com/star-trek-discovery-is-exciting-but-not-much-else-1822501041). Find your crowd. :)
Episode 15 finished, and AV Club hit it right on the nose (https://www.avclub.com/star-trek-discovery-ends-its-first-season-with-a-promi-1822911143). If you're going to write a TV show backwards (you know the conclusion and make everything else fit that), you have a lot more homework to do than if you wrote it sequentially.
There's no conversation about the series on here, so I'll leave it alone. For those who don't like the series and stopped watching, the end of season reveal will just irritate further, and there's plenty of websites to read about it on.
Quote from: Tahquitz on February 12, 2018, 10:02:17 PM
Episode 15 finished, and AV Club hit it right on the nose (https://www.avclub.com/star-trek-discovery-ends-its-first-season-with-a-promi-1822911143). If you're going to write a TV show backwards (you know the conclusion and make everything else fit that), you have a lot more homework to do than if you wrote it sequentially.
There's no conversation about the series on here, so I'll leave it alone. For those who don't like the series and stopped watching, the end of season reveal will just irritate further, and there's plenty of websites to read about it on.
I agree. At least Enterprise tried.
I thought it was the best Trek since DS9.
But that's not saying a whole lot.
Looking forward to S2.
Quote from: Angel Phoenix77 on October 24, 2017, 10:39:51 PM
There is not one reason for them to have holodecks in this timeframe.
Sure there is.
Do not forget that the Discovery is the place where the federation designs, tests and perfects new tech. It could be the *only* ship in the federation with a holo-deck.
Although, it taking 100 years to move from testing to general use seems a bit long...
Enterprise introduced the earlier holodecks. So blame that. Klingons were using the Xyrillian designs on their cruisers in the 22nd century.
I can accept us just not seeing their use for practical reasons -- ships being more utilitarian.
Quote from: MyriVerse on February 13, 2018, 06:59:57 PM
Enterprise introduced the earlier holodecks. So blame that. Klingons were using the Xyrillian designs on their cruisers in the 22nd century.
I can accept us just not seeing their use for practical reasons -- ships being more utilitarian.
Except for the fact that in "Encounter at Farpoint" it was made clear this was brand new technology.
Of course the Klingons did get it back in the days of Enterprise.
Now why Starfleet didn't make use of it back then, who knows?
Probably the same geniuses who signed a treaty that every space faring power can use a cloaking device except Starfleet.
Quote from: doc7924 on February 13, 2018, 11:56:26 PM
Except for the fact that in "Encounter at Farpoint" it was made clear this was brand new technology.
Of course the Klingons did get it back in the days of Enterprise.
Now why Starfleet didn't make use of it back then, who knows?
Probably the same geniuses who signed a treaty that every space faring power can use a cloaking device except Starfleet.
The holodeck was called the recreation room on the NCC 1701. https://youtu.be/9eYZRNRqzjg?t=3m28s (https://youtu.be/9eYZRNRqzjg?t=3m28s) The TNG version may be a 'new' tech, but not a new idea.
Quote from: Power Gamer on February 14, 2018, 04:01:21 AM
The holodeck was called the recreation room on the NCC 1701. https://youtu.be/9eYZRNRqzjg?t=3m28s (https://youtu.be/9eYZRNRqzjg?t=3m28s) The TNG version may be a 'new' tech, but not a new idea.
As often as the holo-deck suffered a glitch that put the whole ship, or essential crew members, in jeopardy, or the holograms escaped and tried to take over the ship... They tech was obviously flawed and should have been abandoned. It was stupid to keep using it.
:D :D :D
Quote from: hurple on February 15, 2018, 02:59:00 PM
As often as the holo-deck suffered a glitch that put the whole ship, or essential crew members, in jeopardy, or the holograms escaped and tried to take over the ship... They tech was obviously flawed and should have been abandoned. It was stupid to keep using it.
:D :D :D
LOL, quite true!
Quote from: hurple on February 15, 2018, 02:59:00 PM
As often as the holo-deck suffered a glitch that put the whole ship, or essential crew members, in jeopardy, or the holograms escaped and tried to take over the ship... They tech was obviously flawed and should have been abandoned. It was stupid to keep using it.
:D :D :D
But then they might have had to think of actual plots that involved exploring new planets and new civilizations. You know, like it said in the opening every week.
Quote from: doc7924 on February 15, 2018, 06:01:22 PM
But then they might have had to think of actual plots that involved exploring new planets and new civilizations. You know, like it said in the opening every week.
Ooooh, that stings! :o
But then people complain about "alien of the week" stories.
And then every other one of those stories is something about Prime Directive this or that. Blech.
Personally, I wanted more Moriarty.
Quote from: MyriVerse on February 16, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
But then people complain about "alien of the week" stories.
And then every other one of those stories is something about Prime Directive this or that. Blech.
Personally, I wanted more Moriarty.
Did they ever follow that up in a novel or something?
Quote from: MyriVerse on February 16, 2018, 07:03:31 PM
But then people complain about "alien of the week" stories.
And then every other one of those stories is something about Prime Directive this or that. Blech.
Personally, I wanted more Moriarty.
More Moriarty!