Off to a strong start so far.
The actor playing Superman/Clark actually did a good job of portraying both Superman and Clark Kent. I still wish we could have gotten Tom Welling, but the actor did a credible job.
I gotta admit, I laughed loudly when Cat Grant shouted "Miss Tessmacher!"...
Quote from: Tenzhi on October 11, 2016, 06:24:08 AM
I gotta admit, I laughed loudly when Cat Grant shouted "Miss Tessmacher!"...
Same, hilarious! Jimmy Olsen is taller and more ripped than Superman. Supergirl is my favorite of the DC shows, looking forward to the crossover.
Quote from: Tenzhi on October 11, 2016, 06:24:08 AM
I gotta admit, I laughed loudly when Cat Grant shouted "Miss Tessmacher!"...
Also:
"I used to change his diapers."
"Your cousin smells terrific."
Lots of laughs this episode.
It answered the question of why Winn/Supergirl didn't go with the gold background for the S shield. Look at Superman, that gold background shows dirt like a mofo.
Quote from: ricodah on October 11, 2016, 06:55:56 AM
Same, hilarious! Jimmy Olsen is taller and more ripped than Superman. Supergirl is my favorite of the DC shows, looking forward to the crossover.
Jeepers Superman, you turn me into a tall bald ripped hot black guy, I get rid of the bow tie and learn to talk all deep and suave and I STILL can't get it on with the ladies!
Superman doesn't have to be ripped.
That seemed slightly better than last season, but do we really need them to spell out their character arcs in dialogue like a 3rd grader writing a topic sentence?
I'll admit it. When I saw the first pictures of Superman the immediate impression was he would be the Twilight emo version. But I really really like this guy as Supes and Clark. He does great at combining serious and fun to make the boyscout version of Superman work.
I really hope we see this Superman appear in the Arrowverse again.
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on October 18, 2016, 01:34:57 AM
I really hope we see this Superman appear in the Arrowverse again.
Has there been any sign that Supergirl (and, by association, Superman) are directly connected to the "Arrowverse" yet?
Quote from: Tenzhi on October 18, 2016, 07:16:51 AM
Has there been any sign that Supergirl (and, by association, Superman) are directly connected to the "Arrowverse" yet?
Aside from the occasional crossover event (like the one coming later this season), they aren't in the same dimension.
Polygon: Supergirl Won't Be Joining the Arrowverse Anytime Soon (http://www.polygon.com/2016/10/8/13210896/supergirl-arrowverse-cw-flash)
So it's unlikely we'll see Felicity, Cisco, and Winn all geeking out together for now.
Welling and rosenbaum would of been great since I imagine Lex will also show up at some point. But this guy playing super man is good too.
Quote from: eabrace on October 18, 2016, 07:41:59 AM
Aside from the occasional crossover event (like the one coming later this season), they aren't in the same dimension.
That isn't surprising as an essential element of DC Comics is the concept of a "crisis on multiple earths".
Quote from: saipaman on October 19, 2016, 12:50:54 PM
That isn't surprising as an essential element of DC Comics is the concept of a "crisis on multiple earths".
According to the Flash show there was one. It was a headline in the paper from the future evil Wells had in his secret hideout. I think it was 2020 so the shows need to stay on the air at last 4 more years.
Quote from: doc7924 on October 19, 2016, 02:50:06 PM
According to the Flash show there was one. It was a headline in the paper from the future evil Wells had in his secret hideout. I think it was 2020 so the shows need to stay on the air at last 4 more years.
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I understand the reference. Just keep in mind that not every multiple earth crisis had red skies.
Quote from: eabrace on October 19, 2016, 11:14:28 PM
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So 2024 - ok so 8 more years. :)
So I'm pleased they went with the big reveal that ...
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on November 01, 2016, 01:24:49 AM
So I'm pleased they went with the big reveal that ...
HELLO, Megan!
That's only a big reveal if you've not seen Young Justice. And if you haven't seen Young Justice you should go watch it now 'cause it's waaaaaaaaay better than this.
Anyone else find it a bit odd that they're using the Mon-El name instead of Val-Or or Lar Gand seeing as El is a Kryptonian family name? Or at least odd that Kara doesn't mention they have the same family name? Though it's possible El is the Jingleheimer-Schmitt of that system I suppose.
I was at least expecting a "Maybe we're cousins." only to have kara look off to the side and mutter "No, my cousin is someone else."
I know nothing about Mon-El from the comics. Either after my time, or only showed up in books I didn't read (like Superman). I do remember that Daxamites first discovered their not so unique powers during the Invasion crossover event where the Dominion was introduced. Only a couple episodes away from the Dominion crossover event, wonder if we'll see more Daxamites.
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They have to get rid of Mon-El of course and I'm hoping they stick at least somewhat to comic continuity. I'm sacrificing animals every day (gummi bears if you must know) to the gods in hopes that we get a LSH story. Two parter where the Legion comes to the past to get help (how many times did they do that in the comics? Like every third Superboy issue it seemed) and at the end of part two Mon decides to stay with them.
And if those episodes prove popular maybe it could generate the LSH spinoff that has been proposed many times but never pushed through.
That's about what I figured would happen, especially since they still haven't paid off the Legion ring that showed up in Flash's glimpses of other earths. But then again before they revealed it was Mon-El I was assuming it was Kon-El since Cadmus showed up this season, so what do I know.
Or they could just go with the original story line -- he develops lead poisoning and has to be sent into the Phantom Zone.
Quote from: Vee on November 03, 2016, 03:39:26 AM
That's about what I figured would happen, especially since they still haven't paid off the Legion ring that showed up in Flash's glimpses of other earths. But then again before they revealed it was Mon-El I was assuming it was Kon-El since Cadmus showed up this season, so what do I know.
They did a couple of Legion episodes in Smallville. I'd love to see the CW version of the Legion, or at least some of them.
Okay... Must say this ...
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on November 22, 2016, 02:04:58 AM
Okay... Must say this ...
Maybe they don't have different types. We don't know that either.
Did they do away with the weakness to lead that Daxamites have in the comics?
Quote from: CG on November 22, 2016, 02:13:00 PM
Did they do away with the weakness to lead that Daxamites have in the comics?
Well so far it looks like they altered and weakened it so that they just have no immunity to lead which means bullets can kill them. But maybe it will slowly poison him until he has to be suspended for his own survival.
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on November 22, 2016, 02:04:58 AM
Okay... Must say this ...
The DEO has magical knowledge of all aliens (like when Winn's info dumping about Whatever-ites)
Quote from: Mandu on November 23, 2016, 02:34:56 AM
Well so far it looks like they altered and weakened it so that they just have no immunity to lead which means bullets can kill them. But maybe it will slowly poison him until he has to be suspended for his own survival.
Didn't she say something like, "He has a lead allergy"? That could be a weakness. He was certainly vulnerable to it, and the longer he had it in him the worse he seemed to get. And he seemed to get better as soon as they got it out. I think. I might have been tired by the time I got to the end of the episode.
Quote from: eabrace on November 23, 2016, 04:05:17 AM
Didn't she say something like, "He has a lead allergy"? That could be a weakness. He was certainly vulnerable to it, and the longer he had it in him the worse he seemed to get. And he seemed to get better as soon as they got it out. I think. I might have been tired by the time I got to the end of the episode.
You saw it correctly, so maybe everyone else was tired :D
Ah, so the Daxamite lead allergy is very reduced in comparison to the comics.
(For those who don't read comics, even trace amounts of atmospheric lead will cause Daxamites to collapse and die just by breathing normal air on Earth)
Quote from: CG on November 22, 2016, 02:13:00 PM
Did they do away with the weakness to lead that Daxamites have in the comics?
I never got that. Its not like lead transmits deadly radiation or something. It just sits there.
Or like the GA Green Lantern. He could stop bullets, rockets, knives, etc, but you could kill him with a wooden toothpick.
Characters - especially cosmic ones - are always underpowered whenever the situation demands it - for example, Superman can fly all across the universe without taking thousands of years, so he can move many times faster than the speed of light - but if the story requires him to fight a power-armored Lex Luthor then he'll generally slug it out with him in a hand to hand brawl, even though he could move fast enough to strip Lex of his armor in a fraction of a nanosecond.
OK, I would just like to say...
Thirty seconds at the end does NOT make a "crossover episode"!!!!!
Quote from: Ohioknight on November 29, 2016, 03:24:16 AM
OK, I would just like to say...
Thirty seconds at the end does NOT make a "crossover episode"!!!!!
Agree. That was very disappointing.
Massive waste of an hour, for those of us watching just for the crossover.
The point may have simply been to lure in new viewers.
Quote from: saipaman on November 30, 2016, 07:18:13 AM
The point may have simply been to lure in new viewers.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
That Winn subplot was awful.
Well you can definitely tell they have moved to the CW.
Alex: I'm worried about something. That means our relationship is all wrong so I quit.
Maggie: Fine with me. Goodbye
Alex: I fixed that thing I was worried about so we're on again right?
Maggie: Yeah sure. But this is your only chance until the next dozen times you are completely unreasonable and we break up.
Seems like it would've been better timing to have next week's episode this week...
Quote from: Vee on February 14, 2017, 07:31:03 AM
I'm just glad they used the traditional method of getting rid of him and a version I don't recall having seen in the comics.
Yeah, I liked that, though it wasn't as good as the time Superman got him to skywrite his name three times backwards.
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 27, 2017, 07:15:39 AM
Yeah, I liked that, though it wasn't as good as the time Superman got him to skywrite his name three times backwards.
I loved Michael J Pollard's Mxy in the old Superboy show. Even dressed like him from the comics. That show did a lot of things right, better then Smallville IMO.
Quote from: doc7924 on February 28, 2017, 04:47:54 AM
I loved Michael J Pollard's Mxy in the old Superboy show. Even dressed like him from the comics. That show did a lot of things right, better then Smallville IMO.
I don't recall watching Superboy, and yet, when I think of a live action Mxy the first thing I think of is Pollard. Though in my head he is "that guy from that Star Trek episode". If asked, I would've speculated that I was recalling Lois and Clark, but apparently that's just a futile attempt to forget Howie Mandel.
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 28, 2017, 09:29:27 AM
I don't recall watching Superboy, and yet, when I think of a live action Mxy the first thing I think of is Pollard. Though in my head he is "that guy from that Star Trek episode". If asked, I would've speculated that I was recalling Lois and Clark, but apparently that's just a futile attempt to forget Howie Mandel.
He played it good. And in his second appearance they had Richard Kiel (Jaws) play Mxy's bully from the 5th Dimension and he gets Superboy and Lana to help him trick the guy to say his name backwards to send him back.
His first appearance was in season 1 and that on DVD has a commentary for that episode. And John Haymes Newton says Pollard was hired because he could float on air by himself so they could save on special effects. LOL
Superboy was a great show. Like the Flash it had a lot of comic book villains and plots, retooled slightly for live action, Metallo, Kryptonite Kid, Bizarro, Yellow Peri and more.
And although it was sort of stretch on how they changed the actor - Sherman Howard was the best Lex Luthor IMO.
Agreed about Superboy. Aaaand... Stacy Haiduk.
Anyway, it's really starting to bug me that they cannot write Kara as the alpha. Someone please kill Mon-El.
Wow... nearly everyone got stupid for this episode. The artificial dramatic tension created by the stupidity was awful.
The opening pretty much confirmed that Kara must have a special DEO issued reinforced bed :P
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 28, 2017, 04:50:11 PM
Wow... nearly everyone got stupid for this episode. The artificial dramatic tension created by the stupidity was awful.
Same. I was rooting for Mon-El the whole episode. I like Mon-El. Even though he's misunderstood and people don't take him seriously he does have a good point when things get odd.
And he's got experience when it comes to covering up a shady past.
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 28, 2017, 04:50:11 PM
Wow... nearly everyone got stupid for this episode. The artificial dramatic tension created by the stupidity was awful.
They had to up their game since legends isn't on this week. Law of conservation of stupidity.
Quote from: Golden Girl on March 01, 2017, 04:50:11 AM
And he's got experience when it comes to covering up a shady past.
I just assumed he was hiding being the prince (who is, perhaps, also secretly a centaur) rather than anything particularly shady.
The Daxam royal family is pretty shady, going by the few bits of info we've gotten about them so far.
Quote from: Tenzhi on March 01, 2017, 11:59:16 AM
I just assumed he was hiding being the prince (who is, perhaps, also secretly a centaur) rather than anything particularly shady.
"You're not dealing with the ordinary Byronic hero any more. No, now you're facing the one, the only, legendary Super Brony."
Heh. "You're the only Superman we need, Dean Cain."
Holy carp! I thought the episode was over, then we get a mysterious reveal of Hercules and Lois as upcoming probable antagonists. Mon-el's parents, perhaps?
Quote from: Tenzhi on March 07, 2017, 06:59:47 PM
Holy carp! I thought the episode was over, then we get a mysterious reveal of Hercules and Lois as upcoming probable antagonists. Mon-el's parents, perhaps?
They are - the worst kept secret/twist of the series :P
WTF was Alex thinking going against Cadmus alone and disobeying Martian Manhunter's orders. She almost got sent off to space. And then she gets her job back after all that happen? ??? It was all kinds of wrong on that episode. I also don't like Alex's girlfriend because at the end the episode she said "Good, cuz I'm not dating an unemployed person." Which tells me she's high maintenance. That's not love. Kara just just got fired and Mon-El still loves her. I believe their relationship will not work out down the road. I know I'm getting personal I just want to get this off my chest and tell you guys how I felt about that episode.
The bit about not dating an unemployed person was clearly her just having a sense of humour about the whole thing.
And the going off alone bit was just Alex acting like every character in every one of these shows.
Quote from: Dev7on on March 07, 2017, 10:38:33 PM
I also don't like Alex's girlfriend because at the end the episode she said "Good, cuz I'm not dating an unemployed person." Which tells me she's high maintenance. That's not love.
That was just a couple kidding around the way that couples do - Alex was the driving force behind foiling Cadmus' plans, and almost every scene that she was in was an action scene, so Maggie either has a serious problem with short term memory loss, or her "slacker" remark was just a joke :P
If Rhea had a moustache, she would've twirled it right off her face.
Alex and Maggie can't escape stupid drama.
Hmm, huge bounty you could buy a planet with. Seems like it'd have been a perfectly good time for them to ruin Lobo.
I'd like to see a bitch-off between Rhea and Lillian to decide who wins the Worst Mom in the Multiverse award :P
Don't forget: new episode tonight.
If I didn't have such a vague memory of the rest of the season, I'd call last night's episode the most pointless of this season.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 02, 2017, 07:30:34 PM
If I didn't have such a vague memory of the rest of the season, I'd call last night's episode the most pointless of this season.
If your memory was more clear you'd know you could have said that 19 times already. And that's just for this thread. With all the crap shows I watch I might need to steal your quote for a sig line :D
Could be. I've been calling the show pretty good, but that's been in the context of discussing DC shows in general. It might just be skillfully riding the line of forgettable mediocrity.
I can't even distinguish anymore. They've all settled to the bottom of the barrel.
Just ran the Supergirl/Gotham/Flash/Shield gauntlet. I'm exhausted from all the stupidity.
My favorite from Supergirl was how the villain has plot-convenient temporary mind shielding.
Quote from: Vee on May 04, 2017, 07:03:12 AM
Just ran the Supergirl/Gotham/Flash/Shield gauntlet. I'm exhausted from all the stupidity.
My favorite from Supergirl was how the villain has plot-convenient temporary mind shielding.
I was bugged by that and the fact that they had a camera feed to work with but couldn't track Alex's location. Or establish communication without the bad guy being the one to push the button.
Quote from: Vee on May 04, 2017, 07:03:12 AM
Just ran the Supergirl/Gotham/Flash/Shield gauntlet. I'm exhausted from all the stupidity.
My favorite from Supergirl was how the villain has plot-convenient temporary mind shielding.
I wouldn't mind the plot-convenient temporary mind shielding, but they didn't even bother to explain it. The guy was Joe Average, but he can block J'ONN?! Da heck? But then at the end, J'onn's just going to mind wipe him to keep everybody secrets. :roll:
And yes, they tracked the fake camera IP. And they just stop tracking?! Stupe. >:(
Sigh. I was really hoping they were going to use the whole "people are afraid of Guardian" plot to revamp James' costume. Give him something with the original's blue and gold and less like Night Thrasher 2.0. But no.
Quote from: Ulysses Dare on May 09, 2017, 04:52:00 AM
Sigh. I was really hoping they were going to use the whole "people are afraid of Guardian" plot to revamp James' costume.
They still could. They sort of left that thread hanging.
Going by stuff said earlier in the season about marriage on Daxam, Rhea teleporting Lena with her when she left at the end of this episode and the promo for next week, I'm guessing that part of Rhea's plan for taking over Earth involves an arranged marriage between Lena and Mon-El as part of a "peaceful" union between the Daxamite people and the people of Earth.
Episode 21 was epically glorious - and the finale next week looks even better - Zod even gets a variation of his favorite line :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKh0lDJkgho
It was great until the good guys' plan fell apart at the end. Really, Kara? You need to talk Rhea down one more time? Um, no.
Of course, that might have killed Clark, but she didn't know that. And ya know what... I could live with a dead Clark in the Supergirl-verse. At least it would stop people from asking, "Where's Superman?" every other episode.
Cool that Madam President is a Durlan. Glad she wasn't a White Martian after all.
It was great seeing Cat Grant back. And the bit between her, the President, and Rhea was amusing. There were some funny dialogue and references (Mars Attacks and Star Wars being my favourites) scattered throughout the episode. But the real world political message in Cat's resistance speech was a bit on the nose (resist those who are conning us and telling us they'll make our world great again). And the ending just felt like an excuse to drag things out.
On the subject of Martians, I'm hoping that because of the psychic bond that they've established, M'gann will drop by next week to break J'onn out of his mental trap.
I like that Alex starts carrying a non-regular gun now that she's fighting people with a lead weakness.
This episode also highlighted one of the great things about the show - while the plot was a pretty standard alien invasion/infiltrate the mothership thing, the entire story was driven by the plans and actions of 4 middle-aged women - President Marsdin, Queen Rhea, Cat Grant and Lillian Luthor - which as far as I know makes it pretty much unique in sci-fi/comic book media.
Well, that finale episode was the best bit of live action DC since the Dark Knight.
And the best bit of hamfisted moral summation since, idk, Punky Brewster?
Nine Months Later
"...and in unrelated news, birth defects have increased 1000% in the past few months, as have cases of dementia and kidney failure. Luthor Corp has begun selling lead detoxification kits. It'll be a great year for luthor Corp stock holders."
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 16, 2017, 08:23:55 PMBut the real world political message in Cat's resistance speech was a bit on the nose (resist those who are conning us and telling us they'll make our world great again).
Agreed. I like my entertainment without politics. If I want to be bashed over the head with all that nonsense going on right now, I'll log on to Facebook or Twitter.
But if you must address it in your TV show, do it like Star Trek.
That finale had a fun beginning and interesting portents at the end... the rest was a'ight.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 23, 2017, 08:28:12 PM
That finale had a fun beginning and interesting portents at the end... the rest was a'ight.
Quote from: Vee on May 23, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
That's who I'm assuming that was, too.
Edit:
... and GG beat me to it.
Going by evil Kryptonians' dialogue, that's actually Reign, not Doomsday - she should make for a good season 3 villain, as she has more intelligence than Doomsday, whose more mindless style of rampaging would be hard to sustain over a 20+ episode season.
It'll tie in neatly with the Cadmus storyline and give Lilian some ammunition to promote her "don't trust Kryptonians" agenda.
ah, wasn't aware of her as I'm still half a year's worth of reading away from new 52. of course if she doesn't show up in a bats or jla title i'd not know anyway. still though, lil reign was probably adorable.
also it's unclear to me a villain's being unsuitable for a 20+ episode season would prevent them from using it as such anyway. certainly hasn't stopped them on arrow or flash.
The problem with Doomsday though is that he's so inarticulate - he's more of a force of nature than a fully formed character, and to be a season long villain - or even for half a season - you do really need to have someone who can articulate their motivations and plans to their followers and to the heroes when they confront them, and be intelligent enough to actually come up with plans in the first place.
I assumed the Kryptonian thing was some vampire cult I'd never heard of and Not Doomsday...
But I'm more interested in what happened to Mon-el. Was that a Boomtube?
It's an opening to the Phantom Zone, if they're following the major points of his comic storyline, which they seem to be - a Boomtube is usually more yellow colored with a kind of grid pattern to it.
Let's hope it is the Phantom Zone as that should lead us to the Legion.
I'd love to see the Legion brought in too - they've shown the flight ring now more than once, which seems unnecessary if it's just meant as an easter egg - the only barrier might be budget wise when it comes to showing 1,000 years in the future.
Is there a requirement to even show the future?
Mon-El and company could just appear in a time bubble and talk about the future.
I feel that it'd have more dramatic impact to have Kara visit the future rather than Mon-El just reappearing after a few episodes and explaining that he'd been gone for 1,000 years.
It might be possible to do it within a TV show budget if they had it like the Black Mercy episode in season 1, where a lot of it was spent on Krypton, but indoors, with only a few views out of the windows and a couple of establishing shots - which is also how I think they could do Kandor - although in both cases an indoor setting heavily limits any kind of flying action.
Having Kara go anywhere really ruins the show for the other characters. Notice that even her crossover episodes have her being home in them. The center of action for Supergirl is National City and its surroundings. The future has nothing of import for this show. The only significant dramatic impact would be Mon-El showing back up in the present with some LSH friends and a baddie or three.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 26, 2017, 07:07:53 PM
I feel that it'd have more dramatic impact to have Kara visit the future rather than Mon-El just reappearing after a few episodes and explaining that he'd been gone for 1,000 years.
I'd like that a lot also -- poignant lovers separated in time would be much better -- and we did get the Legion foreshadowed already I believe. As for cost, just put the future in space most of the time -- no more expensive than the Daxams.
Oh and on Doomsday: Original Doomsday wasn't so much a character as a (rather stupid) plot device. To make sense, he needs enough of a travel power that you can't beat him by just getting him off the ground he needs to walk on -- as originally written, throw him into space and only the power of a bad writer's intervention could save him -- any GL takes him out in 30 seconds with no fuss.
Regarding Alex and Maggie... I've found that on all these shows, they're really much better if you fast forward through any scene where two characters are alone having a deeply emotional talk -- and you miss absolutely nothing. I don't feel deprived from not actually having watched any scene with Iris alone with Barry or her Dad on the Flash this season after the first couple episodes. Alex and Maggie seem to have nothing to do with the story aside from being Alex and Maggie. Couple, got it, don't really need anything else.