http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/ (http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/)
I'm not totally sure that is something that whould necessarily be celebrated.
If they were to fold, then lots of other players of their other games would potentially get the same kick in the gut that he hard core CoX fans got.
I'm not sure I wish that on anyone else.
Of course, NCSoft haven't had a penny off me since they killed CoX and Paragon Studios, but that was a personal decision I made by and for myself.
Also, MMO's seem to have been on a downward trend, in western markets at least, for a good while now, so I'm not sure that falling profits from a major player in MMO's should really be a surprise.
Meh, waffling now, I'll shut up.
It would be celebration worthy if it encouraged them to sell off the CoX IP. Otherwise, it is just more bad news that serves no real purpose.
Quote from: Canine on November 05, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
Also, MMO's seem to have been on a downward trend, in western markets at least, for a good while now, so I'm not sure that falling profits from a major player in MMO's should really be a surprise.
The novelty of walking around in a 3D world has definitely faded now that we have 3D TV and such. I bet when they can add a gaming interface to your brain, and you can enter a virtual world all first-person like the Matrix, the market will go to previously unseen levels.
I try not to have a negative attitude toward NCSoft, but they really ganked this community. I am all for them staying afloat until Nate and crew get the IP rights and/or a server image.
Quote from: chuckv3 on November 05, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
The novelty of walking around in a 3D world has definitely faded now that we have 3D TV and such. I bet when they can add a gaming interface to your brain, and you can enter a virtual world all first-person like the Matrix, the market will go to previously unseen levels.
I try not to have a negative attitude toward NCSoft, but they really ganked this community. I am all for them staying afloat until Nate and crew get the IP rights and/or a server image.
Dunno... If they go bankrupt and have to start auctioning off assets to pay off debts, we might just get more, faster.
Quote from: hurple on November 05, 2015, 10:12:30 PM
Dunno... If they go bankrupt and have to start auctioning off assets to pay off debts, we might just get more, faster.
Good point!
This is going to affect people's jobs. People that aren't even at NCSoft. And the gamers thereto who still enjoy what they have to offer.
We can dislike NCSoft as a company, but let's not wish ill to them, it's really beneath us.
But we can maybe think of the possible it does steer the sale in the right direction, of course... nothin' wrong with that.
BEARS ARE LEAD TO HONEY NOT VINEGAR.
IF NEGOTIATIONS ARE BEING MADE WITH PEOPLE OF NCSOFT, THEN MWM WILL WANT THE PEOPLE OF NCSOFT TO BE IN A GOOD MOOD?
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THINGS ARE NOT GOING WELL, NCSOFT MIGHT BE MORE INCLINED TO MAKE DEALS TO STIMULATE THEIR PROJECTS.
BUT.
WHAT'S THE SAYING? KICK THEM WHEN THEIR UP, KICK THEM WHEN THEIR DOWN.
AND I AGREE, NOT TO CELEBRATE IN OTHERS SUFFERING.
HOWEVER. THAT'S LIFE, AND SOME OF US HAVE BEEN GRIEVED BY NCSOFTS ACTIONS, MAYBE WE COULD SUE THEM FOR MENTAL ANGUISH?
JUST KIDDING.
the end
^ imagining previous poster with a giant bullhorn, screaming at the top of their lungs.
And this, kids, is why we stay away from the capslock button.
Quote from: houtex on November 07, 2015, 02:57:01 AM
We can dislike NCSoft as a company, but let's not wish ill to them, it's really beneath us.
It's really not beneath me at all, to be honest. Even knowing the consequences I can easily wish ill upon them. I can also hope that if everything falls apart there are people around to pick the pieces up and keep going. I'm a very simple person.
Quote from: Aggelakis on November 08, 2015, 06:34:34 PM
^ imagining previous poster with a giant bullhorn, screaming at the top of their lungs.
And this, kids, is why we stay away from the capslock button.
so that's why the end seemed so underwhelming
Quote from: Aggelakis on November 08, 2015, 06:34:34 PM
^ imagining previous poster with a giant bullhorn, screaming at the top of their lungs.
And this, kids, is why we stay away from the capslock button.
I just use the leetkey plugin I've got for firefox, and toggle it all to lower case if I can be arsed to read big blocks of caps. Usually, I can't.
I don't believe stocks or any price drops will affect the speed of CoH returning. The only factor to it's return is the legal work and most importantly: Time.
I believe the whole deal is really on spare time of both THeM and NCSoft, and not really a "On the wire" type deal as I believe some in the community to perceive.
It's just a matter of time, really :>.(or so I think.)
Quote from: Solitaire on November 05, 2015, 09:18:36 AM
http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/ (http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/)
First problem with that article is while true that quarter over quarter the statement "sales dipped for all of NCsoft's big games", that's not true YoY. Combined Lineage, Lineage 2, Aion, B&S and GW2 sales was flat year over year.
Overall sales for the quarter year over year were down nearly 16,000 million KrW and profits by 45,000 million KrW.
Two primary reasons why YoY is down in the 3Q. First, a year ago WildStar launched, it did okay-ish numbers then but of course since then it's income a year later has dropped by nearly 90%, a bit over 14,000 million KrW shift. That's where the bulk of missing sales income went. The other major losses YoY in terms of income is the "Other" catagory, down nearly 3,000 million KrW.
On the other side of the P/L sheet, expenses were up by nearly 15,000 million KrW. Then for whatever reason they payed more tax this year's quarter, even with less pre-tax income than they had a year ago, some 10,000 million KrW more in taxes.
In the trailing 12 months they still had income over 640,000 million KrW (roughly $540 million USD) with after tax profits being 29%.
As I reported earlier Nexon through in the towel trying to take over the board and liquidated their holdings in NCSOFT at a hefty loss.
Quote from: Aggelakis on November 08, 2015, 06:34:34 PM
^ imagining previous poster with a giant bullhorn, screaming at the top of their lungs.
And this, kids, is why we stay away from the capslock button.
YOU CAN TAKE OUR POSTS...
BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE...
OUR CAPSLOCK!
Quote from: Castegyre on November 08, 2015, 06:53:53 PM
It's really not beneath me at all, to be honest. Even knowing the consequences I can easily wish ill upon them. I can also hope that if everything falls apart there are people around to pick the pieces up and keep going. I'm a very simple person.
I only wish for the company to go under, for all of its employees to immediately find new and better jobs, and for all the people who had anything at all to do with CoH's closing to immediately lose their favorite thing forever (and to be thereafter constantly told "Look, here are many things that are terrible pale imitation of your favorite thing, so it's okay that your favorite thing is gone" whenever they say anything about what they lost)
That's not bad, is it?
I am guessing this was posted here in remembrance of back during the closure of the game a lot of forum users on Titan were watching the NCSoft stock as it plummeted for quite a while. Mostly I think we were hoping they would notice the direct correlation (close CoH = huge loss of profits), but a lot of us did take a lot of satisfaction and even glee as we watched Guild Wars 2 preorders and initial sales go through and still not recover it. Eventually it obviously did recover, and eventually we realized that they were not going to change their minds despite loosing so much money, and we all moved on.
I mostly agree with Canine. I've said since the announcement that ending COH was a business decision for NCSoft and they don't have to explain/justify their actions. But then they have to acknowledge that for me the decision was personal. I cannot play any of their games nor recommend them to any of my friends based on this experience. The idea that this company is willing to burn and bury any property it controls without any obvious rational should be terrifying to any prospective player. Do I hate them? Yes. Do I want all their employees out of work and customers left is the same position we are? No.
I don't understand why this is hard to understand?
Pre-sales on GW2 was 250,000...CoH had 50,000 members but only 33,200 paying customers at shutdown...
NCSOft is not financially hurt either...those game sales are down...but Lineage (the first one) is in the Asian market and one of the top 10 games in the market currently as I write this...with more people playing Lineage than there are playing WoW...how are they hurting?
Your information is based on American market which has less than a million players while NCSoft is primarily Asian with a billion possible players...yes I said Billion...China alone has 1.1 Billion people...not including Korea (where the head company is), Vietnam, Japan and other markets.
CoH has THE most passionate players...but sorry guys...the numbers are not there to keep this active...without a lot of help. We need better advertising, more media attention and the passion kept alive. With Leandro and Codewalker hard at work the Dream shall continue. Let's always keep up our support as well!!!
Quote from: FeliciaDivine on November 23, 2015, 01:40:16 AM
I don't understand why this is hard to understand?
Pre-sales on GW2 was 250,000...CoH had 50,000 members but only 33,200 paying customers at shutdown...
NCSOft is not financially hurt either...those game sales are down...but Lineage (the first one) is in the Asian market and one of the top 10 games in the market currently as I write this...with more people playing Lineage than there are playing WoW...how are they hurting?
Your information is based on American market which has less than a million players while NCSoft is primarily Asian with a billion possible players...yes I said Billion...China alone has 1.1 Billion people...not including Korea (where the head company is), Vietnam, Japan and other markets.
CoH has THE most passionate players...but sorry guys...the numbers are not there to keep this active...without a lot of help. We need better advertising, more media attention and the passion kept alive. With Leandro and Codewalker hard at work the Dream shall continue. Let's always keep up our support as well!!!
I agree, especially with the "With Leandro and Codewalker hard at work the Dream shall continue. Let's always keep up our support as well!!!" part.
SCoRE has been for some time, and likely always will be, our best shot at ever seeing CoH back in any form. Let's not forget to support them in their efforts. Three cheers!
Quote from: FeliciaDivine on November 23, 2015, 01:40:16 AM
I don't understand why this is hard to understand?
Pre-sales on GW2 was 250,000...CoH had 50,000 members but only 33,200 paying customers at shutdown...
NCSOft is not financially hurt either...those game sales are down...but Lineage (the first one) is in the Asian market and one of the top 10 games in the market currently as I write this...with more people playing Lineage than there are playing WoW...how are they hurting?
Your information is based on American market which has less than a million players while NCSoft is primarily Asian with a billion possible players...yes I said Billion...China alone has 1.1 Billion people...not including Korea (where the head company is), Vietnam, Japan and other markets.
I hate to burst your bubble, but more than 100 millions WoW accounts have been registered since it came out in 2004, top of that, WoW is still the World's most subscribed MMORPG... The Lineage Series has only attracted 43 Million players since the first Lineage came out 1998, So I highly doubt that there are more people playing Lineage than there are playing WoW unless Lineage 2 somehow has more than 5.5 Million Players with it's Free To Play model and no new expansions...
While yes, the Asian part of the Lineage 2 players practically throw their money down the drain on micro-transactions, it's not very plausible that there are enough players spending so much money for NCsoft to make money off of Lineage 2, I'd say that they're just getting the same amount of money that they spend keeping the servers up... Of course, I could be wrong, NCsoft could be making Bank off of all the money spent on micro-transactions but if that were the case, then they wouldn't be doing some of the things they've done in the past/are doing now
(Not trying to be rude here, but very few games can compete with WoW, even SWTOR wasn't able to really make a huge dent in WoW's subscriptions. The main reason WoW has lost people is because like me, they've gotten bored of the repetitive aspect of every single WoW expansion, or they just don't like WoW anymore, or both)
This always amazed me
CoH
The game was launched in North America on April 27, 2004.
WOW
The game was released on November 23, 2004, on the 10th anniversary of the Warcraft franchise.
Swtor suffered the EA plague shortly before open beta and had numerous problems after launch. With another publisher other than EA it may have turned out better. As much as I still like swtor (despite what it could of been) it's probably going to continue going downhill over time as long as EA has any involvement.
Your did not read my post properly Stitchified. I said Lineage...not Lineage 2
Go to You Tube and search...Top 10 Most Profitable MMORPG's 2015
WoW currently boasts 14 million players...Lineage (the first one - tops that)
I stand by my earlier remarks.