Yes, I know it's the same team that's behind Arrow and The Flash (going to be on CBS and not CW) but it looks ... not great.
I sure hope it's just how this promo is cut. There are some very cute/funny moments in there but some of it is just ... cringe worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo
Edit: After a second viewing I know what I really don't like about it. The soundtrack in the promo. Please please please please not have this drivel in the series unless a radio is on in the background. This isn't ABC Family.
Wasn't expecting much so I'm pleasantly surprised. I like the airplane scene. I'm glad they made Kara look wholesome instead of the tramp version from Smallville.
Looks ok, depends on how it gains momentum throughout the series, if I remember correctly Arrow didn't start of great, but got better with time.
I'm excited. I might actually watch this instead of petering out like Arrow and going weeks between binge viewing with the Flash. ^_^ Girls rock!
Could they have picked a worse Jimmy Olsen?
The preview looked great! I would like to see a hero show that's not all miserable and angsty all the time. I also hope that the major network brings the major network SFx budget with it.
Not jazzed that everyone seems to get to know her secret ID in the pilot, but that's the creative team's modus operandi. ;)
What's wrong with Jimmy Olsen?
Well found out more about the series.
Kara's adopted sister works for that secret alien defense agency which is a reason for being upset that Kara "came out".
Also hope there isn't a love triangle between her, Jimmy Olsen and Rick (not Dick) Malverne.
Oh and they are pulling a "The Flash" with stunt casting. I think this is mentioned elsewhere back during development but her adopted parents are played by Dean Cain and Helen Slater.
Edit: Oh I think the complaint is making Jimmy into a big hunky guy from his previous unremarkably looking cub photographer. Looking like that, Jimmy would have no problem attracting the ladies.
Edit: Here is a fan edit of the first look without all the annoying rom-com aspects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dkwFObqSM
FatherXmas nailed it. Big, black, and - it pains me to make the observation - kinda sexy is pretty much the complete antithesis to Jimmy Olsen.
That's why he's "James" Olsen. :P
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 14, 2015, 04:27:30 PM
FatherXmas nailed it. Big, black, and - it pains me to make the observation - kinda sexy is pretty much the complete antithesis to Jimmy Olsen.
Race doesn't matter. Hunkiness matters. It's "James" Olsen, eyecandy for the ladies that's a departure.
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 14, 2015, 04:53:55 PM
Race doesn't matter. Hunkiness matters. It's "James" Olsen, eyecandy for the ladies that's a departure.
I'm afraid I disagree that race doesn't matter. It carries with it an aesthetic, and aesthetics are a major part of comic book characters. That's not to say I couldn't get behind a black Jimmy Olsen if he were smaller and perhaps a little doofy, but it's part of the equation - possibly the smallest part in the scheme of things - that's putting me off the character.
I loved the teaser because
Bright colors
Humor
Real super powers
I thought that Flash might just be a fluke because everything DC related seems to be required to be dark and gritty and as "real" as possible. But it looks like their tv shows at least are getting the idea it's ok for comic books to be translated to the screen as comic books.
Quote from: Mandu on May 15, 2015, 12:43:37 AM
I loved the teaser because
Bright colors
Humor
Real super powers
I thought that Flash might just be a fluke because everything DC related seems to be required to be dark and gritty and as "real" as possible. But it looks like their tv shows at least are getting the idea it's ok for comic books to be translated to the screen as comic books.
Then check out my other thread.
http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.php/topic,10862.msg180592.html#msg180592
I can't help but think that this focus on Jimmy being wrong in a Supergirl series is not seeing the forest for the trees.
I think your focus on the focus is missing the forest for the trees. If that's the biggest problem cynical eyes see, they're doing something right. Although I will admit to having a moment of Smallville concerns in the beginning, too - I was thinking it was going to be all teen drama and skimp on the comic book superheroing. But then there was costume, humour, and super action. So tall, dark, and Olsen is all I get complain about... for now.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 15, 2015, 04:48:04 PM
If that's the biggest problem cynical eyes see, they're doing something right.
Don't worry, it wasn't.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 14, 2015, 07:18:55 PM
I'm afraid I disagree that race doesn't matter. It carries with it an aesthetic, and aesthetics are a major part of comic book characters. That's not to say I couldn't get behind a black Jimmy Olsen if he were smaller and perhaps a little doofy, but it's part of the equation - possibly the smallest part in the scheme of things - that's putting me off the character.
Yep, I have no problem with James being black either. But if they are going to stay even partially true to the characters he should be a Steve Urkel, not a Dwayne Johnson.
Quote from: Teikiatsu on May 16, 2015, 01:59:54 AM
Steve Urkel
Awright.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=img5.bdbphotos.com%2Fimages%2Forig%2F8%2Fn%2F8nrrh61nlej3el36.jpg%3Fdjet1p5k)
(yes, yes, I know)
(Steve Urkel grew up nice)
He did, but judging from his role on Psych he still does hapless doof pretty well, just not so much with the nasal stringbean supernerd antics.
I also think he'd make a good ferengi...
Too tall for a Ferengi...
Is he? He seemed so much smaller on screen. Mind you, it could just be that I've been watching too much DS9 recently and it's screwing with my mind's eye. I'll know for sure if I start seeing Jeffrey Combs everywhere.
He's around six foot.
I was gonna p'shop a crop of most of Combs' characters into a generic scene but it's too late and I'm too lazy.
Looking forward to this! However, being on a different network, the chances of any cross-over episodes seem unlikely.
This is already a trillion times better than Man of Steel :P
It's great to not only finally get a female led superhero show, but also one that isn't afraid to acknowledge he fun side of being a superhero.
Tim Gonzales edited the video leaving mostly the action scenes and minimal melodrama fluff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dkwFObqSM
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 14, 2015, 12:36:02 PM
Could they have picked a worse Jimmy Olsen?
Political correctness demanded atleast one black main character. Just like JJ is making a statement with a black storm trooper in the new starwars and I've heard talk about a black James Bond too (facepalm) Before anyone says I'm racist, I am black so shut your mouth.
All that aside I love supergirl and hope they don't turn this into a bad series much like all the mistakes the supergirl movie had. I give them huge props for using her iconic costume and not that aweful suit that new 52 (more like new pancakey two) has her wearing.
Supergirl remains my favorite female character with Hawk Girl in next and it looks like Hawk Girl is going to be in some other dc series coming soon as well. Can't wait to watch them!
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 14, 2015, 05:22:30 AM
Edit: After a second viewing I know what I really don't like about it. The soundtrack in the promo. Please please please please not have this drivel in the series unless a radio is on in the background. This isn't ABC Family.
Try this then - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8Ty9TrqYg
Quote from: Noyjitat on May 16, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Political correctness demanded atleast one black main character. Just like JJ is making a statement with a black storm trooper in the new starwars and I've heard talk about a black James Bond too (facepalm) Before anyone says I'm racist, I am black so shut your mouth.
As long as we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed how often we see a black man and blonde woman in proximity to each other in movies, on TV shows, and even in commercials? What's with that? Are they going for visual contrast, or something? Sometimes it's almost like it's a video-industry requirement now. A part of my mind tends to notice patterns, and I've been seeing this one for some time. So, when Jimmy's casting was announced, that part of my mind wasn't surprised.
Here's the second shorter trailer that came out almost right after the longer promo - https://vimeo.com/128030930
And a brief behind the scenes video - https://vimeo.com/128025585
My hype meter is over 9,000 :P
Quote from: Super Firebug on May 17, 2015, 01:57:46 AM
As long as we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed how often we see a black man and blonde woman in proximity to each other in movies, on TV shows, and even in commercials? What's with that? Are they going for visual contrast, or something? Sometimes it's almost like it's a video-industry requirement now. A part of my mind tends to notice patterns, and I've been seeing this one for some time. So, when Jimmy's casting was announced, that part of my mind wasn't surprised.
I never noticed that, but I will say that blondes have always been my weakness. Maybe because my first two gf's were blonde I don't know though haha.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 17, 2015, 07:49:46 AM
Here's the second shorter trailer that came out almost right after the longer promo - https://vimeo.com/128030930
I don't know about the second video, but I tried to watch this one, and it said that it's a private video, and that I need to enter a password. :/
Quote from: Super Firebug on May 17, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
I don't know about the second video, but I tried to watch this one, and it said that it's a private video, and that I need to enter a password. :/
It's supergirltv12 for both of them.
I have absolutely no problem with Jimmy Olsen not being nerdy because he is the comic book Jimmy and not the movie and television Jimmy.
Remember this. Jimmy was only the gosh golly kid for the first couple of years that Superman (the character, not the comic) was around, and in the trailer it makes it look like Superman has been active for a considerable time. In the later years (at least in the comics) Jimmy has gained multiple temporary super powers. He is a reserve member of the Legion of Super Heroes. He has had training in multiple forms of combat. And he has teamed up with Superman in Kandor as part of the crime fighting duo Nightwing and Flamebird. Just like Lois went from being the constant incompetent damsel in distress to being able to kick ass, Jimmy made the same transition from kid to man.
We have gotten used to seeing him as the nerdy photographer because every single superman movie and series that has existed has been an origin reboot and covering his first year or two at the Daily Planet. But in the comics he has gone far beyond that.
James Olsen is being re-imagined in this way because of the licensing issues over Superman and the storytelling requirements of a Supergirl adaption - Superman's connection to Kara is a very important part of her character, but they don't have access to the character - so as far as this show goes, James Olsen = Superman. That's why he's projecting the strong, confident and caring mentor personality, because he's Clark's stand-in for the show - for example, take the last scene from the trailer where he gives her the Kryptonian baby blanket - make a couple of tweaks to the dialog and switch him out for Christopher Reeve, and the scene works exactly the same.
They couldn't really have Kara only communicating with Clark with text messages, and it wouldn't really fit the style of the show with all it's call-backs and references to the comics to just invent a new character who was a close friend of Superman who'd act as his stand-in and go-between with Kara.
The traditionally geeky Olsen personality wouldn't work in this show because of the role he has to play, plus it'd overlap with Kara to a certain extent, as well as her tech friend Winslow Schott.
Wait, her tech friend is the Toyman?
Quote from: ricodah on May 16, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
Tim Gonzales edited the video leaving mostly the action scenes and minimal melodrama fluff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3dkwFObqSM
Beat you to it.
Quote from: Vee on May 17, 2015, 09:25:21 PM
Wait, her tech friend is the Toyman?
A version of him, yes :P
I have a passing familiarity with Jimmy Olsen's comic book exploits. He remains a goof despite them. Rick Jones on the Marvel side similarly has done all sorts of things and yet he's also a bit of a goof - albeit more in the slacker artist vein than the clean cut nerd. Hanging with cosmic powers does not exempt one from falling into the role.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 18, 2015, 01:24:31 AM
I have a passing familiarity with Jimmy Olsen's comic book exploits. He remains a goof despite them. Rick Jones on the Marvel side similarly has done all sorts of things and yet he's also a bit of a goof - albeit more in the slacker artist vein than the clean cut nerd. Hanging with cosmic powers does not exempt one from falling into the role.
What no love for Snapper Carr? <Snap>
Saving him for the Justice League movie, where his compulsive snapping will be diagnosed as Tourette's.
The Supergirl pilot "leaked" today - in suspiciously high definition and without any watermark - just like the flash pilot "leaked" last year in suspiciously high definition and without any watermarks.
My review - this is the greatest thing ever put on TV :P
I'm downloading now but kind of afraid to watch as I'm still in comic book guy mode over how silly the flash finale was.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 17, 2015, 01:22:40 AM
Try this then - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8Ty9TrqYg
I'm with you GG, the show looks awesome -- and this version of the trailer sells it a LOT better.
Quote from: Vee on May 22, 2015, 10:29:05 PM
I'm downloading now but kind of afraid to watch as I'm still in comic book guy mode over how silly the flash finale was.
Just put your mind in a Silver Age place, and you'll be fine ;)
Wasn't too bad. Either they did a quick re-editing job after the reactions to the trailer or they should fire whomever put the trailer together.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 22, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
The Supergirl pilot "leaked" today - in suspiciously high definition and without any watermark - just like the flash pilot "leaked" last year in suspiciously high definition and without any watermarks.
My review - this is the greatest thing ever put on TV :P
Not everyone seems to agree, going from comments in other places.
My guess? It was leaked on purpose, to see if after the reactions to the first trailer the show needed some retooling.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 22, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
The Supergirl pilot "leaked" today - in suspiciously high definition and without any watermark - just like the flash pilot "leaked" last year in suspiciously high definition and without any watermarks.
My review - this is the greatest thing ever put on TV :P
...because it has animated hair?
Well I'm 2/3rds of the way through right now, it's buffering so I'm going to let the player finish buffering it but so far so good. Three minutes for the origin story, a little "but you're a girl so you can't beat me" spiel, like Flash because Kara is new at this, nice setup for villain of the week, special effects what you would expect for TV, higher budget than the CW shows.
Okay. All done. Nice twist at the end. Still a smidge heavy handed with the anti-alien rhetoric from Director Hardass.
And that the Lord that all those female empowerment anthems in the first look are absent. So we have a newbie superhero fighting off alien escape prisoners who are preparing for the arrival of General Not-Zod. I can get behind that.
Fears averted. Misgivings reduced.
As for the "leak", yeah, I know they are trying to target a wider audience but if you lose the fandom up front, you're in serious trouble. This should assuage their fears. It has mine.
Still, love the stunt casting, hope they guest star sometime during the season. And give Dean something to say next time.
Quote from: GamingGlen on May 23, 2015, 03:28:04 PM
...because it has animated hair?
Her hair's amazing - and glorious when she's flying :P
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 23, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
And that the Lord that all those female empowerment anthems in the first look are absent. So we have a newbie superhero fighting off alien escape prisoners who are preparing for the arrival of General Not-Zod. I can get behind that.
Fears averted. Misgivings reduced.
As for the "leak", yeah, I know they are trying to target a wider audience but if you lose the fandom up front, you're in serious trouble. This should assuage their fears. It has mine.
What exactly is wrong with female empowerment anthems?
CBS doesn't need "the fandom". It's a national network, and the number of comic books fans out there is rounding error on their demographics. The CW doesn't rely on "the fandom" for Arrow and the Flash. Their target audience is 18-34 year old women, who typically aren't comic book fans. I suspect CBS is aiming at the same demographic. They don't need "the fandom" if they can get a chunk of the regular population; it'll be a audience than all the fans put together.
Good points
Loved her adopted parents. They couldn't have picked a better couple for the stunt casting.
The show was more than good enough. Considering how long it takes most series to get up to speed it was a very good first episode. Now if it doesn't progress beyond this level then it will be just meh overall but I'll still watch it.
Bad points.
Cat is too cliche and overacted. Calista is acting like she is in a 70s superhero show. Even Tracy Scoggins did a better job of being Cat.
The same goes for the prisoners. I kept expecting one of them to break out in a mwah hah hah hah hah laugh. It's entirely possible to be a classic villain archetype and even chew the scenery without being hammy.
Worst Point
She knows virtually nothing about her cousin. In fact the show makes it seem like she hasn't even met him beyond that first scene. I know that the series can't use him so I don't expect him to show up and hang out. But it makes it look as if he just dropped her off and then left which means Superman is a real dick.
Quote from: Mandu on May 23, 2015, 08:51:39 PM
But it makes it look as if he just dropped her off and then left which means Superman is a real dick.
Maybe he had a premonition? :P
(https://i.imgur.com/YhFk4eZ.jpg)
Quote from: Mandu on May 23, 2015, 08:51:39 PMBut it makes it look as if he just dropped her off and then left which means Superman is a real dick.
Yeah, but that's par for the course.
But as "Jimmy" said, he, Kal, wanted her to make the decision as to when herself. And you can't have big blue watch over Metropolis and visit the cuz on holidays.
Quote from: CG on May 23, 2015, 08:27:17 PMWhat exactly is wrong with female empowerment anthems?
CBS doesn't need "the fandom". It's a national network, and the number of comic books fans out there is rounding error on their demographics. The CW doesn't rely on "the fandom" for Arrow and the Flash. Their target audience is 18-34 year old women, who typically aren't comic book fans. I suspect CBS is aiming at the same demographic. They don't need "the fandom" if they can get a chunk of the regular population; it'll be a audience than all the fans put together.
Because it turns the show into yet another Felicity or something on ABC Family. She's FREAKING SUPERGIRL. That's plenty empowering without her leaning to stand up to either of her "bosses" or how to date guys who aren't jerks. As for the demographic CBS is desperately looking for a show that can appeal to the younger audience, as you say the 18-34 demo or even younger 18-29. CBS may have the most watched show on TV in the US with NCIS but it's 18-49 demo tells a different story. They are barely keeping up in the demo against shows with half the viewers.
You always need fandom to stoke the fires for something as offbeat genre wise as a superhero show in primetime. CW is a tiny network, they can get away with it and Flash, their number one show in ratings, would be considered a middling success on large networks. AoS survives on ABC because ABC and Marvel are Disney and they understand the synergy they get with AoS between the MCU releases. Gotham on Fox, who knows. It's more of a police/mob drama than anything "super hero".
NBC is bringing back Heroes and CBS needed something to fill that gap in genre and with the same production company that succeeded with The Flash and Arrow that shows the range from light hearted fun to darkly dark dark of the darkness, CBS stepped up and paid the piper for Supergirl. You don't think WB wouldn't try to make as much as they can from a major network Vs their "own" for a property than can reference Superman without ever saying his name. They likely presented CBS a list of what's off the table, future movie properties, and told them to pick anything but those.
Yes you need fandom because if there was enough scuttlebutt that the show's terrible, like the Wonder Woman pilot, it wouldn't get off the ground. At least now it's up to the mundanes to keep the show on the air.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 23, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
Maybe he had a premonition? :P
(https://i.imgur.com/YhFk4eZ.jpg)
Wow, I never seen that issue before. I wonder how Superman got out of that situation. Maybe he kissed Perry White and he forgot sort of like what Superman did to Lois Lane in Superman 2.
No need to wonder when there are terabytes of comics just a click away. Turns out Supergirl and Perry were androids sent by the Superman Revenge Squad just to mess with Supes.
Quote from: ricodah on May 23, 2015, 11:23:40 PM
Wow, I never seen that issue before. I wonder how Superman got out of that situation. Maybe he kissed Perry White and he forgot sort of like what Superman did to Lois Lane in Superman 2.
It's not what it used to be, but the whole thing is out there in the archives and highly recommended:
http://www.superdickery.com/tag/superman-is-a-dick/page/23/
Should start a Bats offshoot of that site. Just for example in good old Batman #1 he goes to elaborate means to kill mutated mental patients minutes after synthesizing a cure for them. #2, not to be outdone has him kidnapping a near-death Joker from the hospital in order to force him into brain surgery.
Any Helen Slater in this series?
Just like they gave the original TV Flash a role in the new series, I was wondering if any love for the original Supergirl?
Quote from: doc7924 on May 24, 2015, 06:06:38 AM
Any Helen Slater in this series?
Just like they gave the original TV Flash a role in the new series, I was wondering if any love for the original Supergirl?
IMDB has her playing Sylvia Danvers.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 24, 2015, 06:06:38 AM
Any Helen Slater in this series?
Just like they gave the original TV Flash a role in the new series, I was wondering if any love for the original Supergirl?
Yep, in the pilot Dean Cain and Helen Slater play Kara's Earth parents. Stunt casting at it's finest. Too bad they are on screen for 30 seconds.
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 24, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
Yep, in the pilot Dean Cain and Helen Slater play Kara's Earth parents. Stunt casting at it's finest. Too bad they are on screen for 30 seconds.
Still at least they got a nod for there past roles.
Another reason I love the new Flash - giving Shipp a nice big role. Plus the many tips to the old series.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 24, 2015, 06:06:38 AM
Any Helen Slater in this series?
Just like they gave the original TV Flash a role in the new series, I was wondering if any love for the original Supergirl?
She and Dean Cain are seen very briefly in the trailer when Superman drops Kara off to them as a young girl:
(https://i.imgur.com/mcXFOHX.jpg)
This is also a sweet picture:
https://twitter.com/MelissaBenoist/status/572448672966787072/photo/1
And an opinion from Smallville:
https://twitter.com/Vandiekins22/status/598627163013664768
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 23, 2015, 08:15:36 PM
Her hair's amazing - and glorious when she's flying :P
ill 2nd that. i enjoyed it very much and it was awesome.
cant wait for the season to start
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 23, 2015, 09:41:14 PMAoS survives on ABC because ABC and Marvel are Disney and they understand the synergy they get with AoS between the MCU releases.
It's not just that. Although in the 18-49 demographic their live ratings have been in the 1.5 or lower area lately that doesn't matter. Their live+7 ratings (includes dvr and streaming services for the week following the broadcast) have run from the mid 2s to 3.
ABC at least has figured out that most people no longer watch live and that the targeted demographic is the audience that is most likely going to dvr or stream the shows.
Quote from: Mandu on May 24, 2015, 03:10:01 PM
It's not just that. Although in the 18-49 demographic their live ratings have been in the 1.5 or lower area lately that doesn't matter. Their live+7 ratings (includes dvr and streaming services for the week following the broadcast) have run from the mid 2s to 3.
ABC at least has figured out that most people no longer watch live and that the targeted demographic is the audience that is most likely going to dvr or stream the shows.
We DVR almost everything we watch in the house because not all of us work the same schedule and we have a limited time that we can watch the shows together.
Quote from: Twisted Toon on May 24, 2015, 10:46:04 PM
We DVR almost everything we watch in the house because not all of us work the same schedule and we have a limited time that we can watch the shows together.
Anyone remember the good old days before VCRS and on demand that if you couldn't watch a TV show when it was broadcast, you had to wait until they showed it again to see it?
Or maybe not see it at all if it was a one off special or something.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 25, 2015, 03:02:01 AM
Anyone remember the good old days before VCRS and on demand that if you couldn't watch a TV show when it was broadcast, you had to wait until they showed it again to see it?
Or maybe not see it at all if it was a one off special or something.
Oh yeah. But that was also a time when stores closed by 7pm and all day Sunday. You planned you life around what was going to on TV. And back then Primetime started at 7:30p on Sunday so the kids can catch Wonderful World of Disney and be able to get ready for bed at 8:30p for school on Monday.
It helped that TV series were entirely episodic in nature so play order was mostly irrelevant.
Hmm, are we entirely certain Supergirl isn't going to be a procedural? CBS isn't exactly known for their continuing stories. That alone could turn it into a Constantine-sized disaster.
Quote from: Vee on May 25, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
Hmm, are we entirely certain Supergirl isn't going to be a procedural? CBS isn't exactly known for their continuing stories. That alone could turn it into a Constantine-sized disaster.
Well, I don't think that all those escaped alien convicts will report to their nearest police station to register themselves as a threat - someone's going to need to track them down :P
Well yeah, but that could just be alien of the week mode, which is what I was worried about.
For this kind of show, the alien of the week is a safe, accepted way of establishing all the rues of the world for the audience. As well as provide easy "watch her develop" moments. Not necessarily the best way, mind you, but it is he safe way for the writers
But I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned who the head of the DEO was
Supernatural
Grimm
X-Files
Buffy
All of them monster of the week shows for at least the first couple seasons. Nothing wrong with that as long as it's done right.
Quote from: Battlechimp on May 25, 2015, 08:14:07 PM
But I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned who the head of the DEO was
I think that I know how his character development is going to play out too :P
Quote from: Mandu on May 25, 2015, 10:44:37 PM
Supernatural
Grimm
X-Files
Buffy
All of them monster of the week shows for at least the first couple seasons. Nothing wrong with that as long as it's done right.
Wait, did Grimm get better? I gave up after about 6 episodes. And I've made it through some truly awful shows in my time.
Quote from: Vee on May 26, 2015, 12:44:52 AM
Wait, did Grimm get better? I gave up after about 6 episodes. And I've made it through some truly awful shows in my time.
Most of the time it was good. However recently it turned down a path I'm not happy with but could simplify things in the future. At times it's quite formulistic but those episodes worked best for me. The Royal family troubles and super baby I could live without.
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 27, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
Most of the time it was good. However recently it turned down a path I'm not happy with but could simplify things in the future. At times it's quite formulistic but those episodes worked best for me. The Royal family troubles and super baby I could live without.
I don't mind the Royal family troubles. But the super baby yeah. I hate when shows go that route. I haven't watched for a while. Has she turned into a teenager overnight and tried to start a new religion? After all that's what super babies inevitably do.
I showed my wife the pilot.
Her response as soon as she saw Jimmy Olsen:
"Sorry Jimmy but you need to learn a lesson! For the next week you're just going to have to live as a tall, hot, black guy!"
"Aww jeepers, Superman!"
Ah, yes, Superman's oft forgotten Minority Vision. As I recall, he used it when he fought the KKK who turned out to be alien androids after Earth's supply of Hostess Cupcakes.
James could definitely be a product of the Plastimold machine.
Quote from: Ohioknight on May 27, 2015, 03:27:00 AM
I showed my wife the pilot.
Her response as soon as she saw Jimmy Olsen:
"Sorry Jimmy but you need to learn a lesson! For the next week you're just going to have to live as a tall, hot, black guy!"
"Aww jeepers, Superman!"
(https://i.imgur.com/xLeAVPe.jpg)
I don't see why there is this need to change an established characters race, or even gender.
I'm all for diversity but comics are a VISUAL medium. The character should be the character as portrayed in the comics.
I mean what's next? a white Nick Fury?
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 27, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xLeAVPe.jpg)
You know, back in the day stuff like this was acceptable. If they tried to do something like that now you would have all these activists and such and people crying and complaining how racist that is.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 27, 2015, 09:26:42 PM
I don't see why there is this need to change an established characters race, or even gender.
I'm all for diversity but comics are a VISUAL medium. The character should be the character as portrayed in the comics.
I mean what's next? a white Nick Fury?
I'm hoping that was somewhat sarcastic tongue-in-cheek, since there was a white Nick Fury before the Nick Fury based on the looks of Samuel L Jackson.
I do agree with you, however. Political Correctness can (and usually does) go way too far.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 27, 2015, 09:26:42 PM
I don't see why there is this need to change an established characters race, or even gender.
I'm all for diversity but comics are a VISUAL medium. The character should be the character as portrayed in the comics.
Agreed. I'm all for diversity and gender equality but there's other ways to accomplish this without changing the nationality/sex of established characters. I can swear often when it's done is to just create chatter/buzz about the movie before release.
Quote from: ricodah on May 28, 2015, 02:31:41 AM
Agreed. I'm all for diversity and gender equality but there's other ways to accomplish this without changing the nationality/sex of established characters. I can swear often when it's done is to just create chatter/buzz about the movie before release.
I would love to see the reaction if they announced that the Black Panther would be played by a white actor.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 28, 2015, 02:40:07 AM
I would love to see the reaction if they announced that the Black Panther would be played by a white actor.
That's an apples to oranges comparison; it's not like white actors are under-represented in media.
Underrepresentation is no excuse for misrepresentation.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 28, 2015, 12:35:13 PM
Underrepresentation is no excuse for misrepresentation.
Depends on what you mean by misrepresent.
They have not mislead you; they changed Johnny from white to black.
If you mean he's being represented in an unsatisfactory manner, that is a matter of opinion.
Quote from: CG on May 28, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
That's an apples to oranges comparison; it's not like white actors are under-represented in media.
That's not my point. My point is changing the race of an established character is an issue in either direction.
Has nothing to do with white or black actors and how they are handled in the media.
Quote from: doc7924 on May 28, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
That's not my point. My point is changing the race of an established character is an issue in either direction.
Has nothing to do with white or black actors and how they are handled in the media.
Alright, I understand your point. Your example runs into other issues which obscure your point.
Not so much unsatisfactorily, as blatantly incorrectly. Which isn't opinion so much as something that is visibly apparent.
Creators make changes to characters all the time. There is no "correct". There's what was done before and what's being done now.
Let me know when the creators of the character make this change. I expect if they ever do, there will be the usual uproars made when creators make drastic changes to characters.
Mere adaptors may receive both more and less leeway for changes. Depending on the nature of the adaptation and changes, as well as the errant whims of the fanbase.
Adaptors are creators. In this case they are creating a film. The important characteristics about Johnny are: Flame powers, personality, family/friends(Sue/FF). Race is not a key characteristic for the Human Torch.
Quote from: CG on May 29, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Adaptors are creators. In this case they are creating a film. The important characteristics about Johnny are: Flame powers, personality, family/friends(Sue/FF). Race is not a key characteristic for the Human Torch.
Doesn't ones personality have something to do with their race?
Quote from: doc7924 on May 29, 2015, 12:57:35 PM
Doesn't ones personality have something to do with their race?
No.
No one doing serious work on race is going to agree with you on that.
Quote from: Vee on May 29, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
No one doing serious work on race is going to agree with you on that.
There is nothing inherent to personality based on race. There's lots of things that will affect personality based on things related to race (wealth, education, racism) but I'd like to see you produce a study that says certain races have certain personality dispositions based on genetics alone.
To bring this back on point (sort of; this is the Supergirl thread after all) there is no aspect of Johnny's personality that I know of that is exclusive to a white person.
I'm trying to figure out what "continuum" Supergirl all happens in?
Is this series set in the same world as Arrow and Flash? How about in regards the last Superman movie? They don't use his name, is that a license issue of some sort, and will that keep all these in separate worlds? Is the superman cousin here the same superman as in the 2006 movie?
In the marvels TV series, a non-comic book person like myself can be pretty sure it's all one world, and is consistent with the box office movies (Except for those embarassing early hulks they couldn't seem to get right.) It just seems DC is having trouble here.
Quote from: CG on May 29, 2015, 04:12:46 PM
There is nothing inherent to personality based on race. There's lots of things that will affect personality based on things related to race (wealth, education, racism) but I'd like to see you produce a study that says certain races have certain personality dispositions based on genetics alone.
To bring this back on point (sort of; this is the Supergirl thread after all) there is no aspect of Johnny's personality that I know of that is exclusive to a white person.
Who said anything about 'inherent' or based on genetics alone? You originally said 'no' to the question 'Doesn't one's personality have something to do with their race?'
Quote from: CG on May 29, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Adaptors are creators. In this case they are creating a film. The important characteristics about Johnny are: Flame powers, personality, family/friends(Sue/FF). Race is not a key characteristic for the Human Torch.
Adaptors aren't the creators of the character (which, in this case is Jimmy Olsen, not Johnny Storm). And race, as a potentially strong visual component, is a key factor in many comic book characters. As key as uniform design, insignia, and colour. Making Jimmy Olsen black is like making Superman's outfit orange, or changing his emblem to a stylised B. But, given the character's supporting status, I'd overlook it if they hadn't also apparently made major changes to his bearing and demeanor.
And, yes, a key factor of Johnny Storm is family - his blood relation to Sue Storm. You may as well make Luke black but leave Leia white and ask everyone to buy it. Talk about bad shoehorning. And in a similar vein, while I really like Iris and her Dad in The Flash, I cringe a little whenever I ponder a possible Wally in that universe.
There is part of me that want a consistency in people's outrage. If race bending characters in A:TLA is bad then all race bending is bad. But part of that outcry is actually about employment opportunities for Asian or native American actors.
For the new FF I CAN accept a black Johnny since they made Dr Franklin Richards black (they are doing the Ultimate origin story). And since we live in a time of extended families and interracial marriage is more and more common, his sister being white would cause about a two second pause before I adjust and accept if it was a real life situation. Only question I would have is whether Johnny is a half-brother, step-brother or Sue was adopted but in the end it really doesn't matter to the characters of Johnny and Sue. As long as they grew up together long enough the family dynamic between them will be there.
The problem with the FF casting was that Johnny was the first announced with zero other info about what they were doing. And needless to say it freaked out the fanbase, more so than a black Spider-man would. It's less of a problem now that I've seen the full trailer and I have an inkling what they are doing. It's like that undying rumor that Doom is an angry blogger. Doom is in the trailer and like Ultimate FF is working on the project along with the other four, goes along with them and is equally affected. And recently there was a rumor that the reshoots for the movie (all movies have reshoots) were directed by someone else because the studio hated the movie and that got shot down.
As I've said about Jimmy Olsen, it's the turning him into a hunk rather than him being black that is more shocking. Lets reflect the demographic of the world we live in and we can do this with the secondary characters. But Jimmy is suppose to be a skinny, average height, somewhat dorky guy, not 6'3" with a 6-pack who could walk into a bar and leave with anyone he wants.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/45/d0/a0/45d0a04904d36ceb26c8e0fb5c552182.jpg)
So not the Jimmy I expected.
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on May 29, 2015, 04:41:38 PM
I'm trying to figure out what "continuum" Supergirl all happens in?
Is this series set in the same world as Arrow and Flash? How about in regards the last Superman movie? They don't use his name, is that a license issue of some sort, and will that keep all these in separate worlds? Is the superman cousin here the same superman as in the 2006 movie?
In the marvels TV series, a non-comic book person like myself can be pretty sure it's all one world, and is consistent with the box office movies (Except for those embarassing early hulks they couldn't seem to get right.) It just seems DC is having trouble here.
There's a possibility that Kara will crossover with Flash and Arrow at some point, but nothing's been officially confirmed about it.
Tone-wise, Supergirl feels closest to the original Christopher Reeve movies.
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on May 29, 2015, 04:41:38 PM
I'm trying to figure out what "continuum" Supergirl all happens in?
Is this series set in the same world as Arrow and Flash? How about in regards the last Superman movie? They don't use his name, is that a license issue of some sort, and will that keep all these in separate worlds? Is the superman cousin here the same superman as in the 2006 movie?
In the marvels TV series, a non-comic book person like myself can be pretty sure it's all one world, and is consistent with the box office movies (Except for those embarassing early hulks they couldn't seem to get right.) It just seems DC is having trouble here.
It's not Man of Steel universe. It's likely in the Arrow/Flash universe but the network separation my cause a problem for guesting. And I think it only has a vague tie to either the Reeve's Superman or Superman Returns because of the plane catch and I think that has more to do with the public's memory of Superman movies than anything official.
As for not saying "Superman" is either a license issue or a joke within the writers room to come up with ways to mention him without saying his name.
She says his name once during her starting voice-over.
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 29, 2015, 06:53:10 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/45/d0/a0/45d0a04904d36ceb26c8e0fb5c552182.jpg)
Stupid sexy Olsen :P
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 29, 2015, 06:53:10 PM
As I've said about Jimmy Olsen, it's the turning him into a hunk rather than him being black that is more shocking. Lets reflect the demographic of the world we live in and we can do this with the secondary characters. But Jimmy is suppose to be a skinny, average height, somewhat dorky guy, not 6'3" with a 6-pack who could walk into a bar and leave with anyone he wants.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/45/d0/a0/45d0a04904d36ceb26c8e0fb5c552182.jpg)
So not the Jimmy I expected.
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn03.cdn.justjared.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F12%2Fbrooks-family%2Fmehcad-brooks-family-guy-05.jpg)
I think he might be able to pull off dorky.
Jimmy Olsen is not likely to be walking around with his abs flexed and on display. Clothes make a *LOT* of difference in a dork.
Quote from: Aggelakis on May 29, 2015, 08:09:37 PM
Jimmy Olsen is not likely to be walking around with his abs flexed and on display.
The writers manged to have Oliver Queen wandering around shirtless quite often - I have faith in their ability to get James topless too :-p
Besides which, he seems to carry himself too confidently. He should slouch more and give off that humble Xander-y aura of being everybody's butt monkey. Be the stolid, somewhat hapless doof, who is also dependable and fraught with that human element. That Guy.
Winslow is this show's butt monkey :P
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 29, 2015, 07:24:17 PM
She says his name once during her starting voice-over.
Pretty sure she doesn't. I believe she said "you know his story".
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 30, 2015, 01:05:38 AM
Pretty sure she doesn't. I believe she said "you know his story".
She says "When I arrived, I was still a 13 year old girl - but in that same time, my cousin Kal-El had grown up and revealed himself to your world as Superman, the most powerful man in the universe."
Quote from: FatherXmas on May 29, 2015, 07:14:54 PM
As for not saying "Superman" is ... a joke within the writers room to come up with ways to mention him without saying his name.
Rather like not calling him "Green Arrow" even when it becomes awkward NOT to
Cops chase that Black Arrow guy, and that Red Arrow guy all shooting arrows, but not that "other" Arrow guy who we all call "the Arrow" even though there are something like 5 of them.
Plus, any cops I've ever met would be calling him "Robin Hood" derisively -- and the press would label him "the Robin Hood Killer".
It is possible to be completely ripped and yet still play the part of a dorky guy. Aaron Taylor-Johnson in Kick Ass 2 for instance.
But I still hold to my statement that Jimmy was only dorky in the early years, and that includes the early years of reboots so he kind of fluctuates between being dorky and being confident and competent. But he has never been suave like this James Olsen.
Yeah, this James Olsen should be doing Old Spice commercials or something. Maybe knock back some Dos Equis afterwards with TMIMitW.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 30, 2015, 07:08:06 AM
She says "When I arrived, I was still a 13 year old girl - but in that same time, my cousin Kal-El had grown up and revealed himself to your world as Superman, the most powerful man in the universe."
Yep, your right. My bad.
Quote from: Tenzhi on May 29, 2015, 06:04:10 PM
And, yes, a key factor of Johnny Storm is family - his blood relation to Sue Storm. You may as well make Luke black but leave Leia white and ask everyone to buy it.
What's wrong with everyone buying it? I'm practically as white as the forum background. My wife is black (with a single native american in the family tree three generations back). Our son is the *exact* same skin coloration as me. Our daughter isn't. They are both absolutely ours - our hospital does parental testing before allowing you to take the baby home: apparently it had a bad rep for mixing up babies in the past (though babies now stay with their mother the entire time instead of going to a nursery - you'd think that would be enough).
I see your point played out, as everyone assumes our son is from my first marriage or that my wife is his nanny in public, but it's not *super* rare. Hey, maybe the movie will be educational to a portion of the populace (no, it won't. Avoid the youtube comment section on this movie at all costs).
It's an odd casting choice but it shouldn't be a suspension of disbelief crushing one. Same with 'Jimmy' - it's clearly not the same character, merely one borrowing a name and general theme of 'Superman's ally'. Like most of Gotham's cast. Pretty sure the Riddler didn't work for the GCPD in any of his origin stories, nor did Dr Thompkins. To say nothing of whatever 'Barbara' is supposed to be.
As for the rest of the show - I gave Smallville the benefit of the doubt (and kept watching for the perhaps 3 seconds of Super-awesome per episode, but mostly for the Luthors) for it's entire run. I can spare as season for Supergirl - as long as they don't put it up against Person of Interest, the Flash, or Agents of Shield.
Quote from: Brutey on May 31, 2015, 03:58:50 PM
What's wrong with everyone buying it? I'm practically as white as the forum background. My wife is black (with a single native american in the family tree three generations back). Our son is the *exact* same skin coloration as me. Our daughter isn't. They are both absolutely ours - our hospital does parental testing before allowing you to take the baby home: apparently it had a bad rep for mixing up babies in the past (though babies now stay with their mother the entire time instead of going to a nursery - you'd think that would be enough).
I see your point played out, as everyone assumes our son is from my first marriage or that my wife is his nanny in public, but it's not *super* rare. Hey, maybe the movie will be educational to a portion of the populace (no, it won't. Avoid the youtube comment section on this movie at all costs).
It's an odd casting choice but it shouldn't be a suspension of disbelief crushing one. Same with 'Jimmy' - it's clearly not the same character, merely one borrowing a name and general theme of 'Superman's ally'. Like most of Gotham's cast. Pretty sure the Riddler didn't work for the GCPD in any of his origin stories, nor did Dr Thompkins. To say nothing of whatever 'Barbara' is supposed to be.
As for the rest of the show - I gave Smallville the benefit of the doubt (and kept watching for the perhaps 3 seconds of Super-awesome per episode, but mostly for the Luthors) for it's entire run. I can spare as season for Supergirl - as long as they don't put it up against Person of Interest, the Flash, or Agents of Shield.
I have to agree with you on Smallville. Mostly it was lame but I watched it for the occasional super hero stuff. After all back then we didn't have the plethora of superhero shows we do now. But what really kept me coming back to the show was Michael Rosenbaum as Luthor, and later on Erica Durance as Lois.
Quote from: Mandu on May 31, 2015, 08:34:20 PM
I have to agree with you on Smallville. Mostly it was lame but I watched it for the occasional super hero stuff. After all back then we didn't have the plethora of superhero shows we do now. But what really kept me coming back to the show was Michael Rosenbaum as Luthor, and later on Erica Durance as Lois.
Before I saw the show (and the trailers), I was afraid The Flash was going to turn out to be another Smallville - calling him the Blur and maybe him not wearing a costume. This show is almost the exact opposite.
The problem DC has is Marvel really knows how to integrate their movies and TV. I understand they are working on a Flash movie which has nothing to do with the TV series.
Or many of their upcoming movies are not in a shared universe like the Marvel movies.
It gets confusing having so many multiple versions.
Maybe they need to do a "Crisis of Infinite Media" and merge all film and TV into one, coherent universe.
Barbara is the worst thing about Gotham. If they focus on her too much (and the character doesn't substantially improve) it could put me off the show. And I quit Smallville for awhile when Lana became a witch or something (I was also always annoyed at that casting choice because Lana should be a redhead).
The Anti-Jimmy is probably going to give me a WTF moment every time someone calls him by name, if not every time he's on screen. The rest of the show will have to hook me pretty good to get past that.
CBS has announced the start date:
(https://i.imgur.com/4IN0w4U.gif)
My birthday. She would make for a nice present. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What is that? 2010, the 25th month, 15th day? I need a time machine? :P
Quote from: CG on June 10, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
What is that? 2010, the 25th month, 15th day? I need a time machine? :P
No no, it's clearly suppose to mean the 26th day of the 15th month of the year 2210. But yes, you're still going to need a time machine. :P
Quote from: Golden Girl on June 10, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
CBS has announced the start date:
(https://i.imgur.com/4IN0w4U.gif)
That must be the most pointless use of GIF animation that I've ever seen!
Quote from: GamingGlen on June 10, 2015, 03:44:34 AM
My birthday. She would make for a nice present. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Happy Birthday! It's a pilot you've probably already seen!
Quote from: Ohioknight on June 10, 2015, 10:58:20 PM
That must be the most pointless use of GIF animation that I've ever seen!
I heard she's a fan of yours:
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i59.tinypic.com%2F9k7a6f.gif)
Quote from: CG on June 10, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
What is that? 2010, the 25th month, 15th day? I need a time machine? :P
It's shorthand that sensibly follows the long form. October 26th, 2015. Month, date, year. Sensible.
Quote from: Shenku on June 10, 2015, 07:55:50 PM
No no, it's clearly suppose to mean the 26th day of the 15th month of the year 2210. But yes, you're still going to need a time machine. :P
Dammit!
Quote from: Tenzhi on June 11, 2015, 06:46:34 AM
It's shorthand that ambiguously follows the long form. October 26th, 2015. Month, date, year. Sensible.
Fixed that for you.
Quote from: Tenzhi on June 11, 2015, 06:46:34 AM
It's shorthand that sensibly follows the long form. October 26th, 2015. Month, date, year. Sensible.
Until you go somewhere that says "the 26th of October, 2015"...which not few places/peoples do.
No one writes it like that in this century. That's the sort of anachronistic form that should include "in the year of our Lord" somewhere. Scoff scoff.
Quote from: Tenzhi on June 11, 2015, 09:09:15 PM
No one writes it like that in this century. That's the sort of anachronistic form that should include "in the year of our Lord" somewhere. Scoff scoff.
Um, yes. That is exactly what 26/10/2015 is. And much of the world still does say the 26th of October. (In fact, it's not-uncommon here in the PNW part of the US.) It's how a lot of legal documents are written, too :)
Quote from: ricodah on June 11, 2015, 02:19:23 AM
I heard she's a fan of yours:
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i59.tinypic.com%2F9k7a6f.gif)
Awww Well, I'm a fan of hers too. I thought that pilot was great.
If they do it in legalese, you *know* it's bad, clunky English. Of course, the "of" awkwardly used to reattach the severed date to the month is really all the proof one needs of how wrong it is. ;)
This is the case of "The Standard that Isn't".
November's 26th day in 2015 ... or ... The 26th day of November in 2015. They're both clumsy, and if one uses something clumsy long enough, it wears a path, and both sides are arguing from their well-worn paths. I've even heard of people refusing to use the number for the month -- month's aren't numbers. Instead of "26/10/2015" they might insist of "26-Nov-2015", or even "2015-Nov-26".
However, the latter has the advantage of being in order of magnitude. Days are sub-elements of months, and months in turn are sub-elements of years. But even that's just a preference for a style or purpose, consider "Four-score and seven years ago..." and "Four and twenty blackbirds..."
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on June 12, 2015, 04:25:46 PM
This is the case of "The Standard that Isn't".
November's 26th day in 2015 ... or ... The 26th day of November in 2015. They're both clumsy, and if one uses something clumsy long enough, it wears a path, and both sides are arguing from their well-worn paths. I've even heard of people refusing to use the number for the month -- month's aren't numbers. Instead of "26/10/2015" they might insist of "26-Nov-2015", or even "2015-Nov-26".
However, the latter has the advantage of being in order of magnitude. Days are sub-elements of months, and months in turn are sub-elements of years. But even that's just a preference for a style or purpose, consider "Four-score and seven years ago..." and "Four and twenty blackbirds..."
When I saved any reports on the computer, I always had the date in the file name with the year/month/day order. That way, all the files were in chronological order when I had to go looking for them. however, when I write the date down when signing a meal waiver or something, I always use month/day/year.
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on June 12, 2015, 04:25:46 PM
November's 26th day in 2015 ... or ... The 26th day of November in 2015.
Wow, those are even worse, and I can't say I've ever seen either used with regularity. The unnecessary possessive, the redundancy of calling it a day just in case someone might've thought it was November's 26th cake because it's such a fat month...
Quote from: Tenzhi on June 12, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
If they do it in legalese, you *know* it's bad, clunky English. Of course, the "of" awkwardly used to reattach the severed date to the month is really all the proof one needs of how wrong it is. ;)
That does not change the fact that it is, in fact, not archaic nor is it uncommon usage. (One, obviously, follows the other. If it's not uncommon, it by definition cannot be archaic, which means no longer used or not used enough to be considered.)
Hogwash. We use anachronistic terms and phrases all the time. Every time we dial a number on a cellphone, or hang it up for that matter. Some people use them without even knowing how or why they're wrong.
Heck, there are those who would argue that the imperial system of measurements is an anachronism, and look how much mileage that gets.
There's a new Supergirl promo poster:
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/673/wysiwyg_imageupload/1/supergirl-tv-series-poster.jpg
It looks ok, I think my brother could have photoshop something better.
Quote from: Tenzhi on June 12, 2015, 11:55:58 PM
Hogwash. We use anachronistic terms and phrases all the time. Every time we dial a number on a cellphone, or hang it up for that matter. Some people use them without even knowing how or why they're wrong.
Heck, there are those who would argue that the imperial system of measurements is an anachronism, and look how much mileage that gets.
I still shake my head when someone on an MMO is unfamiliar with the phrase "rolling a new character" or if they are, where it comes from.
Quote from: ricodah on June 14, 2015, 04:04:20 PM
There's a new Supergirl promo poster:
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/673/wysiwyg_imageupload/1/supergirl-tv-series-poster.jpg
It looks ok, I think my brother could have photoshop something better.
Agreed, rather "meh".
They've also used this one:
(https://i.imgur.com/iCpev4T.jpg)
Which is pleasingly familiar ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/LSgzVW6.jpg)
There's a very short behind he scenes video from the first day of shooting the second episode here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKtqNsc65j8
Red Tornado confirmed :D
Also confirmed no crossover with the CW shows.
https://twitter.com/GaryMLevin/status/630769769319260160
So, I saw the first episode tonight, and I thought it was pretty good.
I do wish Kara wasn't being sent to Earth to watch over her cousin ... wouldn't most parents just save their daughter because they could if they had the means?
Beyond that, the actress playing Supergirl is very likable, and the effects are nice for a television show.
My verdict: I'll keep watching. :D
And I have no problem with "James" Olsen being African American, but does he have to be suave and sophisticated? I miss a nerdy Jimmy...
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on October 27, 2015, 02:05:36 AM
I do wish Kara wasn't being sent to Earth to watch over her cousin ... wouldn't most parents just save their daughter because they could if they had the means?
Yeah it's a bit odd in something beating the empowering women drum that she evidently only had worth in relation to Kal. Not to even mention Jimmy being sent in to be paternalistic since Kal's far too busy.
Anyone notice if there were changes from the 'leaked' version? Wondering if I need to bother watching before next week.
Comicbook universes UNITE!
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i61.tinypic.com%2F140krcz.jpg)
and nice wallpaper
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i57.tinypic.com%2F2yxp6kh.jpg)
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on October 27, 2015, 02:05:36 AM
I do wish Kara wasn't being sent to Earth to watch over her cousin ... wouldn't most parents just save their daughter because they could if they had the means?
Makes perfect sense to me. That's the Kara El origin story I'm already familiar with. If you don't want to spend an entire pilot (or season) telling an origin story when you can spend five or ten minutes recapping the story people are already familiar with, then just show us a few quick glimpses and move on to saving the airplane. Let's not make this another Smallville.
Quote from: eabrace on October 27, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
Makes perfect sense to me. That's the Kara El origin story I'm already familiar with. If you don't want to spend an entire pilot (or season) telling an origin story when you can spend five or ten minutes recapping the story people are already familiar with, then just show us a few quick glimpses and move on to saving the airplane. Let's not make this another Smallville.
To me, that's a recent invention. When I started reading comics Kara had come to Earth from Argo City when that city faced destruction from Kryptonite poisoning. They saved Kara because she was important to them. Not because they expected Kal-El to need a super babysitter.
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on October 27, 2015, 02:05:36 AM
And I have no problem with "James" Olsen being African American, but does he have to be suave and sophisticated? I miss a nerdy Jimmy...
"Sorry, Jimmy, but to teach you a lesson you're going to have to live for the next 6 months as a tall, ripped, hot, confident, black guy."
"Jeepers, Superman!"
Quote from: Vee on October 27, 2015, 02:52:38 AM
Anyone notice if there were changes from the 'leaked' version? Wondering if I need to bother watching before next week.
Minor edits, mostly tightened things up a tiny bit. Didn't she say the "It means "hope" thing about her symbol in the "leaked" -- that was gone, for example. I noticed because I always thought that was stupid.
Not bad for a premiere episode. SFX are decent for a TV budget. I hope we quickly start getting away from 'Oh, I hope I can do this, I hope I'm good enough.' Banging that drum as a way to show she's learning and that her confidence needs building will get old fast.
What I noticed, and then kept noticing were the clumsy references to Kal. Didn't say 'Kal;' didn't say 'Superman.' It was always 'my cousin,' 'he,' 'him,' 'the big guy,' etc. Maybe it was just me, but every reference to 'him' plopped like a lead balloon. You'd think that the showrunners could've at least gotten permission to say the names. Guess not, tho, and the workarounds got rather annoying by the fifth or sixth use.
Quote from: Ohioknight on October 27, 2015, 12:04:50 PM
Minor edits, mostly tightened things up a tiny bit. Didn't she say the "It means "hope" thing about her symbol in the "leaked" -- that was gone, for example. I noticed because I always thought that was stupid.
Thanks, sounds like I can skip it then.
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on October 27, 2015, 11:42:53 AM
To me, that's a recent invention. When I started reading comics Kara had come to Earth from Argo City when that city faced destruction from Kryptonite poisoning. They saved Kara because she was important to them. Not because they expected Kal-El to need a super babysitter.
That's fair. It's been long enough since I've seen that origin referenced that I'd completely forgotten about it.
Just saw the pilot. I liked everything except James Olsen. Vartox was obscure enough that I recognized the name but still had to look it up. But, hey - super-battle...
They've also done a short preview of the comign season:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RPrdoLk8og
Plus 3 previews of the next episode, "Stronger Together":
Cat being Cat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q84f7udfCp4
Kara, James and Winn being super-friends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Q5krdwLFs
And our first look at Hellgrammite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJGPhM7SK0A
I noticed in last night's episode that they lost all the reticence over calling superman "Superman", or "Kal-El", or "Clark", or whatever, along with suddenly being free mentioning more details from that side of the property. It stood out very clunkily in the first episode, and I'm glad they dropped it. I wonder if during early production of the pilot they had issues over rights and such.
Having just finally finished my slog through the god-awful late 80s-early 90s Giffen/DeMatteis run of Justice League, seeing Maxwell Lord made me shudder.
Quote from: Vee on November 03, 2015, 07:57:24 PM
Having just finally finished my slog through the god-awful late 80s-early 90s Giffen/DeMatteis run of Justice League, seeing Maxwell Lord made me shudder.
You're not my friend no more Harumph.
Just saw the 2nd episode and man are some of those one-on-one pep talks cringe worthy.
I'll try a few more episodes but I'm lukewarm on it.
So I'd seen somebody referring to this in a comment on Supergirl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5KgpN38hM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_5KgpN38hM)
And I watched that with my wife a few weeks ago and we had a laugh.
Then, watching Supergirl last night, when the newscasters are talking about her being a screw-up, my wife turns to me and says "I'd hate to be HER boyfriend!" -- Ouch.
Did I just witness a DBZ style beam clash with heat vision?
Quote from: Tenzhi on November 04, 2015, 09:21:51 AM
Did I just witness a DBZ style beam clash with heat vision?
Gimme a break. Comics have had beam clashes long before DBZ was a twinkle in anyone's eye.
Maybe. Can't say I recall ever seeing it, particularly in western comics before the late 80s/early 90s. But it's not that part that bugged me. Never mind that the bizarre blue-white heat vision looked exactly like tiny Kamehamehas... It seemed odd because it's bloody heat vision. If, say, Iron Man's repulsor blast or Cyclops' optic blast was involved I wouldn't bat an eye.
i think they figured since heated metal will turn blue and white at higher temperatures then so would heat rays. no, it doesn't make sense but then again i'm not entirely sure it makes sense for them to be red either.
Quote from: Vee on November 04, 2015, 07:05:17 PM
i think they figured since heated metal will turn blue and white at higher temperatures then so would heat rays. no, it doesn't make sense but then again i'm not entirely sure it makes sense for them to be red either.
A mini-skirt over tights does?
no skirt with those tights would be something, but might be a bit risque for cbs.
A promo for next week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gio3TPAA-c8
And another, with a little look at "him" ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxFQ7qN578
Quote from: Rejolt on November 04, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
A mini-skirt over tights does?
As much as trunks over tights
Quote from: Golden Girl on November 05, 2015, 03:20:18 AM
A promo for next week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gio3TPAA-c8
And another, with a little look at "him" ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxFQ7qN578
You get much cooler promos than we do.
Quote from: Rejolt on November 03, 2015, 11:03:50 PM
Just saw the 2nd episode and man are some of those one-on-one pep talks cringe worthy.
I'll try a few more episodes but I'm lukewarm on it.
But it's needed. She's a fledgling super hero who doesn't understand her limitations yet. I think Cat's pep talk made a lot of sense. Just as much as I think her being smacked down by her sister was necessary as well.
And it looks like they are going to handle the Superman issue next week.
Now what I'm missing is more stunt casting with her adopted family. Maybe that will be a "holiday" episode. ;)
Quote from: FatherXmas on November 05, 2015, 09:03:08 PM
You get much cooler promos than we do.
I got them from YouTube :P
Some more promos for episode 3:
Kara and Cat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltUMu08pdW0
Maxwell Lord and Reactron:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9KZB-s14Ag
He's not even appearing on screen, but I already like this version of Superman over the one in Man of Steel.
I see they're going to be going with the tried and true Flash formula and having Kara forget she has superspeed to make the fights more interesting.
I guess most shows that need to have the drama built up have one or more of their characters carrying the Idiot Ball(tm) for longer or shorter periods, up to and including always. I know that's why writers do it, but it really makes me wonder how much of the viewing audience doesn't mind/care, and how much of them/us hates this convention. Case in point: characters not sharing information where common sense would seem to indicate it's vital information that everyone else should know right away. It makes the bearer of that information act not at all like a sensible human being in that particular regard, and is quite irritating. But, like the road rage I ditched long ago, this is one of those things that apparently is never going to go away or get better, so I'm (still) learning to shrug my shoulders and try to move past it.
(looks at what's been written so far) Judging by the size of my rant, I'd guess it's still somewhat of a problem that detracts at least a little from my enjoyment of many TV shows.
So to stop a livewire from sparking you pick it up and bend it.
Quote from: Vee on November 10, 2015, 09:01:49 PM
I see they're going to be going with the tried and true Flash formula and having Kara forget she has superspeed to make the fights more interesting.
Unless this current Flash is fighting non-speedsters... he's screwed. Which in year 2 I'm cool with. I just wish when he gets stronger they're not relying on that "Stupid Pill" gimmick of him forgetting he's that fast.
Any thing not toxic to touch or immortal he should be running up and kicking them in the crotch 1000 times before they know he's doing it.
To be fair: Just about every show with supers has issues with consistent power levels or weakness-by-plot disease (Buffy, stronger than Vampires! Kicks open jail doors! Defeated by a few humans from time to time).
Quote from: Tenzhi on November 11, 2015, 07:56:39 AM
So to stop a livewire from sparking you pick it up and bend it.
Knowing is half the battle!
Another promo for next week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWrpxd75XQM
http://www.slashfilm.com/prepare-to-see-non-blurry-superman-on-supergirl-kinda/
long and short - they're casting for Kal-el on Supergirl but looking for 13 year olds. Since that doesn't really make logistical sense I'm guessing the Legion might be involved somehow. Maybe some future threat they need both of them for?
Or perhaps Supergirl goes back in time.
There are also new rumors of a crossover episode with the Flash.
Supergirl scores full season at CBS (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/30/supergirl-full-season-episodes-cbs)
Has General Lane always been such a thickheaded General Ross-like jerk?
Quote from: Tenzhi on December 02, 2015, 06:12:41 AM
Has General Lane always been such a thickheaded General Ross-like jerk?
He's a comic book general - they're often like that :P
Quote from: Golden Girl on December 03, 2015, 12:24:54 AM
He's a comic book general - they're often like that :P
I'm trying hard to think of a fictional general in any media I've come across who doesn't have that exact personality. There are varying degrees of incompetence and warmongering and they sometimes have a heart of gold but the thickheadedness strikes me as pretty much universal.
Quote from: Rejolt on November 04, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
A mini-skirt over tights does?
http://www.gurl.com/2015/01/17/style-tips-how-to-wear-skater-skirts-in-winter-outfit-ideas/
I see skirts over tights all the time, and not just in winter (but that was an easy google search for it).
This was glorious.
I liked last night's episode quite a bit.
I thought the series got off to a so-so start, but it's improving. I just wished they'd pace things out better. The early plot-line involving the aunt feels premature to me; more like it should be a late season development leading to a cliff-hanger finale.
Maybe they felt rushed to get a lot into a half-season due to being unsure whether they'd get to make more or not.
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on December 08, 2015, 02:04:08 PM
Maybe they felt rushed to get a lot into a half-season due to being unsure whether they'd get to make more or not.
I think that's it. They knew they had a certain number of episodes available to tell a story. (No one wants to be Firefly.) Now that they have more episodes to work with, they can pace themselves a bit more.
Quote from: eabrace on December 08, 2015, 11:39:14 PM
(No one wants to be Firefly.)
Is 13 years "too soon"?
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m7a9u1QlUT1rb0467o1_400.gif)
(almost getting tears watching poor Inara)
I know, I almost threw a "too soon?" in there. :)
Quote from: Aggelakis on December 08, 2015, 11:49:04 PM
Is 13 years "too soon"?
(https://images.weserv.nl/?url=25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m7a9u1QlUT1rb0467o1_400.gif)
(almost getting tears watching poor Inara)
Inara is doing quite well on Gotham thank you. Not that I don't want more episodes or another movie mind you. I think they should do a Next Gen sort of thing but use the survivors as a bridge to the new series and also as semi regulars.
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on December 08, 2015, 02:04:08 PM
I liked last night's episode quite a bit.
I thought the series got off to a so-so start, but it's improving. I just wished they'd pace things out better. The early plot-line involving the aunt feels premature to me; more like it should be a late season development leading to a cliff-hanger finale.
Maybe they felt rushed to get a lot into a half-season due to being unsure whether they'd get to make more or not.
I think they are cramming so much into it because the showrunners know that CBS will happily kill off any series that can't maintain high fan interest throughout the current season. On the big three these days no series is allowed to gradually build an audience. They either have the numbers after 4 episodes or they are gone. SHIELD probably wouldn't have survived if it hadn't had the built in audience from the movies and from Clark Gregg.
Fortunately all the other network superhero series are on the CW which is more than happy to give even struggling genre series an extra season to try and gain or regain an audience.
I was expecting Hank Henshaw to turn out to be some sort of cyborg. But instead there was an interesting twist. Don't really care for Zodette, though.
Quote from: Tenzhi on December 09, 2015, 07:22:08 AMDon't really care for Zodette, though.
I concur.
This is the major story-arch element I felt should have been left for later. Or left out entirely; it's hard for me to buy into the last survivors theme when there's so many other apparent survivors.
Quote from: Tenzhi on December 09, 2015, 07:22:08 AM
I was expecting Hank Henshaw to turn out to be some sort of cyborg. But instead there was an interesting twist. Don't really care for Zodette, though.
FYI, doing a google search for "jemm supergirl" brings up a news article revealing that plot twist.
I'm not watching the show, but I wanted to know who Jemm was.
When I want to find out more about a character, I go straight to Wikipedia. Which is generally a safe choice if you avoid the In Other Media section.
I will be somewhat let down if at some point Astra doesn't demand that Kara kneels before her :P
So Astra is a superpowered ecoterrorist? She's not getting any less lame.
And what an asinine place to end an episode.
It looks like that the only way for Kara to persuade Cat that she's not Supergirl would be to find a shapeshifter who could take on her form and be in the same place as her at the same time.
Quote from: Golden Girl on December 16, 2015, 02:22:54 PM
It looks like that the only way for Kara to persuade Cat that she's not Supergirl would be to find a shapeshifter who could take on her form and be in the same place as her at the same time.
... does she happen to know any shapeshifters? >.>
And isn't showing up with your double (e.g., Alfred in a batman costume) a common trope to protect the secret identity?
I enjoyed the episode, and can let a few less-believable bits to slide by.
Quote from: AmberOfDzu on December 16, 2015, 04:39:09 PM
I enjoyed the episode, and can let a few less-believable bits to slide by.
Quote from: Vee on December 16, 2015, 07:30:57 PM
I just want to say something about Superman and Supergirl's secret identity. What bothers me the most is that they are the only superheroes who doesn't wear a mask and disguise their voices like everybody else in the DC Universe. How the hell nobody doesn't recognize who Clark Kent/Kal El and Kara Zor'el is. All they're wearing is glasses and a ponytail for Supergirl and then all of a sudden when it's time for Superman or Supergirl to save the day they take off their glasses and clothes and fly off!!! Like WTF?? It's like when I wear glasses everybody knows who I am but, when I take my glasses off people think I'm a different person. It's still me but, without the glasses. <--- That last example is my real life experience I do wear glasses. I can't believe Cat is the ONLY person who figure out who Kara is. It's weird............... >:( >:(
The Christopher Reeves Superman was pretty convincing, in that it was a total shift in style and tone, that went along with the glasses and comb-over.
On the subject of shapeshifting Martians, some White Martians will apparently be making an appearance in episode 11.
Quote from: Golden Girl on December 17, 2015, 12:31:07 AM
On the subject of shapeshifting Martians, some White Martians will apparently be making an appearance in episode 11.
But they're shapeshifters...maybe they're just more green martians :P
Quote from: Dev7on on December 16, 2015, 10:40:15 PM
I just want to say something about Superman and Supergirl's secret identity. What bothers me the most is that they are the only superheroes who doesn't wear a mask and disguise their voices like everybody else in the DC Universe. How the hell nobody doesn't recognize who Clark Kent/Kal El and Kara Zor'el is. All they're wearing is glasses and a ponytail for Supergirl and then all of a sudden when it's time for Superman or Supergirl to save the day they take off their glasses and clothes and fly off!!! Like WTF?? It's like when I wear glasses everybody knows who I am but, when I take my glasses off people think I'm a different person. It's still me but, without the glasses. <--- That last example is my real life experience I do wear glasses. I can't believe Cat is the ONLY person who figure out who Kara is. It's weird............... >:( >:(
As someone already said, Chris Reeves did the best job of conveying the idea that Clark Kent and Superman were actually two different people.
The comic book Kara Pre-Crisis used to wear a wig in her civilian ID.
Quote from: Dev7on on December 16, 2015, 10:40:15 PMI can't believe Cat is the ONLY person who figure out who Kara is.
The other evening, I attended a Christmas party at the gym where I exercise, and I chatted with a young woman who wore her hair down, which stylishly framed her face. The next night, a girl I had seen at the gym many times before, always with her hair pulled up and back, greeted me as if she knew me. It took me a few moments to realize, it was the same young woman from the party. I had not recognized her just because her hair-style was different.
Guys are dumb sometimes, which helps to explain why men can't pattern match beyond Clark and Kara's eyeglasses. But, why can't women see that Kara is Supergirl?
The idea that a secret identity would be so easy to protect is definitely one of those "less believable bits", and in choosing those words I was trying to be kind.
It's not believable at all. Sure, there are people who will be fooled by that sort of change in appearance, but not enough to protect a secret identity of an extraordinary person. Look at how often famous people get caught trying to go out in public to shop and so forth without being harassed by fans. Then imagine in our modern times trying to be super-someone in secret with cameras, other surveillance and so forth everywhere. I'm sure it was sellable to kids in the 1930's, but today, I feel it's just part of the total set of superhero assumptions we rationalize or ignore away so that we can enjoy the genre's stories.
Because I don't believe people can have super-strength, laser-beam eyes or fly around either; but as a package with a secret identity, I'll let it all slide and enjoy the story. :)
Ah ok, i thought you were saying that the
failure of the secret ID was less believable.
A promo for the first next episode on January 4th - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8BN4u1__NA
Well, I've given up on watching any Paramount or CBS products for the foreseeable unless I pirate them. I am really angry at Paramount for suing Axanar and don't want to put any more money in their pockets. They have succeeded in getting to me as much as NCSoft. Paramount has never bothered with Star Trek fan films or series before. They have in fact encouraged it to keep the Star Trek property alive and in the minds of fans. But then along came Axanar which has the heart of TOS and looks fantastic. Paramount just doesn't want anybody saying that their latest movie or the upcoming series are good but not up to Axanar standards.
If you have no clue what Axanar is then shame on you. Some great mainstream actors are involved including Tony Todd and Gary Graham just to mention the alliterative ones. Go watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA
Prelude to Axanar. It's the setup for the movie. And this was done on a shoestring budget. The full movie which was kickstarter funded should be fantastic and put The Fast and the Trekiest to shame.
Once you start officially getting money from people, you've moved beyond "fan film". Getting Kickstarter funding for a project involving properties you have no rights to doesn't seem like a particularly bright idea.
Star Trek Continues did a Kickstarter and Paramount said nothing.
Star Trek Renegades the same
Star Trek Farragut the same
Star Trek New Voyages the same
The difference is they all look like fan productions and the acting in general is really bad. Axanar looks professional with quality acting. It's a fan production just like all the others. Unlike the other productions Axanar deliberately removed Star Trek from their name so as to minimize their violation of the CBS intellectual property and so that their website wouldn't be found when googling Star Trek. Paramount and CBS are just being selective in their protection of their trademark because Axanar is good.
Other people getting away with being criminally stupid doesn't make following suit any better an idea. I've seen companies do some asinine things in the name of copyright/trademark protection, but this seems pretty reasonable. It'll be too bad if they can't work something out out-of-court that's amenable to all parties, but it seems like Paramount is well within their rights.
Quote from: Mandu on January 01, 2016, 05:13:30 PM
Star Trek Continues did a Kickstarter and Paramount said nothing.
Star Trek Renegades the same
Star Trek Farragut the same
Star Trek New Voyages the same
The difference is they all look like fan productions and the acting in general is really bad. Axanar looks professional with quality acting. It's a fan production just like all the others. Unlike the other productions Axanar deliberately removed Star Trek from their name so as to minimize their violation of the CBS intellectual property and so that their website wouldn't be found when googling Star Trek. Paramount and CBS are just being selective in their protection of their trademark because Axanar is good.
Or because CBS has a Star Trek show in pre-production now and they didn't before. There's no reason to boycott Supergirl because of all that though. Aside from the face-spiting nose surgery-ness of boycotting in general you can just 'get them back' by not paying for the hilariously misguided web service they're trying to piggyback onto new Star Trek.
Some traditional Kryptonian neck-snapping:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcSoYoA58k
And Kara trying to show Cat just how totally normal and non-super she is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyJBM8R6KE
Quote from: Vee on January 01, 2016, 07:26:07 PM
Or because CBS has a Star Trek show in pre-production now and they didn't before. There's no reason to boycott Supergirl because of all that though. Aside from the face-spiting nose surgery-ness of boycotting in general you can just 'get them back' by not paying for the hilariously misguided web service they're trying to piggyback onto new Star Trek.
I know I don't have to. But I have to. Just like not playing any NCSoft games doesn't bring COH back but I'm still not going to play any.
But aside from that, that episode just struck me as really terrible. Can't put my finger on anything too specific, just a general taint to it. Maybe not so much the episode but more a building worsening. Might be that it's falling into the Arrow pattern of having a different irrational tirade every week. Might be the trite heroism lectures that seem like the tagged on moral bits at the end of He-Man. Not sure, just, not really optimistic about future episodes if it keeps going this direction.
Quote from: Todogut on December 17, 2015, 11:17:29 AM
The other evening, I attended a Christmas party at the gym where I exercise, and I chatted with a young woman who wore her hair down, which stylishly framed her face. The next night, a girl I had seen at the gym many times before, always with her hair pulled up and back, greeted me as if she knew me. It took me a few moments to realize, it was the same young woman from the party. I had not recognized her just because her hair-style was different.
Guys are dumb sometimes, which helps to explain why men can't pattern match beyond Clark and Kara's eyeglasses. But, why can't women see that Kara is Supergirl?
So true. Hair color and length, even what they wear can through off your ability to recognize someone. I remember a woman in high school who had the most wonderful waist length blonde hair and one day she cut it shoulder length and I simply didn't recognize her (admittedly from behind). More recently a woman at work that I worked closely with every day, who normally dressed extremely casually was doing a date night with her husband and he was picking her up so near the end of the day she changed into a dress, rearranged her hair and did her makeup. When I first caught a glance of her I thought marking got a new person working there (since unlike software development, marketing always dressed to the nines).
Max really went from sly dog who's up to something to paranoid nutjob.
Quote from: Tenzhi on January 06, 2016, 05:58:36 AM
Max really went from sly dog who's up to something to paranoid nutjob.
He needs to grow out his facial hair a bit to allow him to twirl his mustache properly :P
Holy carp! Didn't realise Winn was Winslow Schott Jr.
Also: Terrible bullets bouncing off effect. And a highly trained agent didn't notice a new camera with a light attached to her purse?
Next up is a White Martian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEPGjTwCMjg
You know, I was actually hoping
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on January 26, 2016, 03:27:42 AM
You know, I was actually hoping
Yeah but that's the way it has been in the comics forever. So it would have been worse to change it.
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on January 26, 2016, 03:27:42 AM
You know, I was actually hoping
#CheckYourWhiteMartianPrivilege
I thought Miss Martian turned out to be a white Martian? Or am I mis-remembering?
She was on the young justice cartoon. Can't speak to the comics.
Yes there have been good White Martians in the comics but they were brainwashed into thinking they were Green Martians so they spent a significant part of their life thinking they were somebody else and when they learned the truth they didn't change their alignment.
Next up is Bizzaro-Girl - and we even get the flame breath :P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajzpg0TOL3c
Enjoyed the Bizarro episode. Max Lord just keeps getting worse. And the ending reminded me of the Superman Animated episode Unity... or the JL episode For the Man Who Has Everything.
Seems like they're just using Max as the Luthor stand-in, right down to making his own Supergirl.
Also read the first of the show-based comics. Decidedly meh despite Rampage being in it.
The scene with Bizarro being put back into a coma was probably the saddest thing so far this season.
And the newest bit of new news is that we're getting a Supergirl/Flash crossover in March - http://tvline.com/2016/02/03/flash-supergirl-crossover-episode-date-spoilers/
Quote from: Golden Girl on February 03, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
And the newest bit of new news is that we're getting a Supergirl/Flash crossover in March
WOO!
I guess I'm probably the only one hoping it turns out like Crisis on Infinite Earths :P
Quote from: Vee on February 04, 2016, 06:50:13 AM
I guess I'm probably the only one hoping it turns out like Crisis on Infinite Earths :P
Supergirl gets heroic and then starts wearing a white shirt?
Personally, I'd rather they kill off that Wally West and nip that in the bud. I have this awful feeling they're going to turn his speed obsession into a Velocity 6 addiction or something. But that guy is on the verge of being the proverbial shark, to be jumped or dumped...
Quote from: Golden Girl on February 03, 2016, 09:02:25 PM
And the newest bit of new news is that we're getting a Supergirl/Flash crossover in March - http://tvline.com/2016/02/03/flash-supergirl-crossover-episode-date-spoilers/
So I'm wondering is this a dimension jump, or are Kara, Jimmy, Jonn Jonzz, and that "Clark" guy who keeps texting her all in the Arrowverse?
A different dimension seems like it's the easiest way to avoid messing with the Flash/Arrow continuity.
I thought they said same universe in pre-production news stuffs, but i'll go with GG's answer since she's a paid spokesperson.
Say what? :P
Quote from: Vee on February 05, 2016, 09:48:58 AM
I thought they said same universe in pre-production news stuffs, but i'll go with GG's answer since she's a paid spokesperson.
I hope it's a different universe. I'd hate to pollute the cool Flash/Arrow/Legends universe with the crappy DC movie one.
Oh the movies are definitely different universes despite the rip hunter name dropping. I thought you meant is Supergirl the same as Arrow etc.
Quote from: hurple on February 05, 2016, 10:04:53 PM
I hope it's a different universe. I'd hate to pollute the cool Flash/Arrow/Legends universe with the crappy DC movie one.
Oh, is Supergirl in the DC movie universe? I didn't know.
Someone should post a "catch me up" for people like me who watch The Flash but not Supergirl.
Quote from: Felderburg on February 06, 2016, 12:23:17 AM
Oh, is Supergirl in the DC movie universe? I didn't know.
Someone should post a "catch me up" for people like me who watch The Flash but not Supergirl.
That's just an assumption based on things Geoff Johns has said. It has not been made explicit, yet. It could be wrong, especially now that Rip Hunter name-dropped both Superman and Batman in the latest Legends episode.
So how did they do Superman in the first episode? I guess it wasn't Henry Cavill.
Supergirl isn't part of that horrific garbage that WB claims is a "DC cinematic universe".
Quote from: Vee on February 04, 2016, 06:50:13 AM
I guess I'm probably the only one hoping it turns out like Crisis on Infinite Earths :P
If that's the comic where supergirl died a rather pointless death then f that... Killing her was one of the biggest mistakes dc ever made.
A couple of previews for tomorrow:
Non twirls his invisible Kryptonian mustache:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HGoF6Bo3wA
And Hank has trouble with heels and Cat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EDTIu2PFuM
There should be a German word for pride/shame. I recognized the plant from the one special effects glimpse last week and said to my wife "yay, it's that plant thing Mongol gave Superman in that Alan Moore story -- the one that made Bruce Wayne dream his parents hadn't been killed".
I see they're titling this episode "For the Girl Who Has Everything" -- very cute.
Quote from: hurple on February 05, 2016, 10:04:53 PM
I hope it's a different universe. I'd hate to pollute the cool Flash/Arrow/Legends universe with the crappy DC movie one.
There have been rumors that The Flash from the tv show might have a cameo appearance in Batman vs. Superman. They're trying to form a Justice League movie.
Quote from: Ohioknight on February 08, 2016, 04:01:51 AM
There should be a German word for pride/shame. I recognized the plant from the one special effects glimpse last week and said to my wife "yay, it's that plant thing Mongol gave Superman in that Alan Moore story -- the one that made Bruce Wayne dream his parents hadn't been killed".
I see they're titling this episode "For the Girl Who Has Everything" -- very cute.
Ah, so my post about it was actually on the mark. Even if this series doesn't last long, it's done a pretty good job of tickling my fan bone.
Quote from: Dev7on on February 08, 2016, 04:15:37 AM
There have been rumors that The Flash from the tv show might have a cameo appearance in Batman vs. Superman. They're trying to form a Justice League movie.
Except there's going to be a Flash movie too and it has a different actor playing Barry.
Quote from: Vee on February 08, 2016, 12:13:23 PM
Except there's going to be a Flash movie too and it has a different actor playing Barry.
Which is stupid, since the TV cast is consistently knocking it out of the park week in and week out.
And, damn them, making me care about Leonard Snart...
TV Barry's alternating between 'aw shucks' and irrational tirade is getting on my nerves. Of course that's more my problem with the writing than anything against the actor.
The only really interesting part of the show for me, so far, has been the unveiling of the Martian Manhunter. Considering how the writers have been treating the character in recent episodes, as in he's a "mentor" who is constantly being bailed out of a jam by his "pupil", I've become convinced that he would do better with his own show. Note to writers and directors; J'onn is considered to be the physical equal of Kal-El. How about treating him that way. He needs to kick butt to be a credible asset to the show.
Quote from: RGladden on February 09, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
Considering how the writers have been treating the character in recent episodes, as in he's a "mentor" who is constantly being bailed out of a jam by his "pupil", I've become convinced that he would do better with his own show.
CBS comic universe confirmed!
Quote from: RGladden on February 09, 2016, 06:27:24 PM
... Note to writers and directors; J'onn is considered to be the physical equal of Kal-El. How about treating him that way. He needs to kick butt to be a credible asset to the show.
J'onn is by any reasonable measure vastly the SUPERIOR to Kal-El through most of his history. He is the most notoriously power-inflated character in the history of comics -- possessing any power temporarily convenient for the writer. In JLA of the late 60's/70's he had "Martian Speed" and "Martian Vision" and could take on any other character's powers by changing his form to match them. Sensible writers scale that back a BIT. (Interestingly on Supergirl he doesn't seem to be able to turn invisible -- one of his earliest and most basic powers)
Later on they even made his fire weakness only a psychological one so he could ignore it when it was plot convenient too.
Quote from: Ohioknight on February 10, 2016, 03:23:02 AM
J'onn is by any reasonable measure vastly the SUPERIOR to Kal-El through most of his history. He is the most notoriously power-inflated character in the history of comics -- possessing any power temporarily convenient for the writer. In JLA of the late 60's/70's he had "Martian Speed" and "Martian Vision" and could take on any other character's powers by changing his form to match them. Sensible writers scale that back a BIT. (Interestingly on Supergirl he doesn't seem to be able to turn invisible -- one of his earliest and most basic powers)
J'onn, like most DC Characters, suffered a huge power increase in the 1980s.
In the 1960s stuff I've seen of him, he was nowhere near Superman's class in terms of strength or durability. He used "Martian breath" far more than his telepathy or Martian vision.
But when they brought him back after Crisis he got a huge power bump (and he stole Superman's "last of his race" theme too as the Pre-Crisis J'onn was one of thousands of surviving Martians.)
I think his power increase post-Crisis was more from Supes being scaled back a bit. They stopped having the various visions, breath etc. of his 'palette-swapped Superman' days well before that and started emphasizing the telepathy and shape-shifting more. But like most comics characters, writer caprice and plot convenience are way more determinate of powers than consistency.
Edit - Barely two hours after I wrote the above my Justice League reading ran into a couple of Priest written JL Task Force issues from 1995 where J'onn starts using the eyebeams right and left.
Quote from: Kaos Arcanna on February 10, 2016, 12:55:01 PM
J'onn, like most DC Characters, suffered a huge power increase in the 1980s.
In the 1960s stuff I've seen of him, he was nowhere near Superman's class in terms of strength or durability. He used "Martian breath" far more than his telepathy or Martian vision.
In his own 60's series he was fairly mild on the power scale, but in JLA they had him able to take anybody's power he duplicated the form of (his Superman power was taken away when he was exposed to yellow Kryptonite but he presumably could have still turned into Supergirl or anybody else who was powerful) And, of course, he had the power to have any power the writer wanted him to have since there was no 'canon' except that fire was like Krytonite to him.
A promo for the next episode, "Truth, Justice and the American Way":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DfbhChOBvY
Having Silver Banshee around the office is a bit much.
Kara thinks so too :P
Ex-Kara vs. New Kara...
Why is there a keypad on a missile to input a code to deactivate the missile in flight? Who *expects* someone to be on a missile in flight to enter such a code?
How is Bluepergirl 3 generations past the 31st century Braniac?
Beats me. When I looked up Indigo aka Brainiac 8 while watching the episode, however, her story in the comics seemed to involve the Metal Men, Cyborg, and the Teen Titans...
But I'm guessing there's a more mundane reason than time travel. Speculation: The Coluans were said to be used as supercomputers by the Kryptonians - perhaps Brainiac 8 is a designation related to that.
Quote from: Tenzhi on February 24, 2016, 09:12:50 AM
Having Silver Banshee around the office is a bit much.
The new girl in Catco is Silver Banshee?
Yes - so poor Winn's in for more heartbreak :P
Quote from: Golden Girl on March 05, 2016, 09:26:39 PM
Yes - so poor Winn's in for more heartbreak :P
He must live on an Indian Burial ground or something....
A new promo for the next episode, "Falling" - featuring Kara + red Kryptonite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Yb7t_hC7E
Oh good, as if this show weren't already dangerously close to being Smallville 2.0 they're going to reuse the red K makes Kryptonians a dick story. Why not do something fun with it like have her grow an extra arm or turn into a baby or develop a luxuriant beard.
Quote from: Vee on March 12, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
Oh good, as if this show weren't already dangerously close to being Smallville 2.0 they're going to reuse the red K makes Kryptonians a dick story. Why not do something fun with it like have her grow an extra arm or turn into a baby or develop a luxuriant beard.
Because that would be too silly (personally, I'd vote for giant red ant head)
It's been awhile since I watched the series, but didn't Lois & Clark also use that variety of red Kryptonite?
They always use Red K to make the Super a jerk storyline on TV because it's the easiest way to film it.
They really had to do the peanut flicking thing?
Quote from: Tenzhi on March 16, 2016, 10:05:55 AM
They really had to do the peanut flicking thing?
No booze was harmed in the filming of this episode.
Now as to what made me angry. They are following the same damn pattern as Arrow and Flash. Character #1 does something that upsets character #2. Explanations happen that completely clear up the reason for those actions. Character #2 then says "I totally understand why you did this and I don't blame you." Then they proceed to blame them anyway, sulk like a spoiled brat child, and stalk out of the room." And two weeks later things are back to normal. Why are superhero shows so addicted to making adults behave so childishly? I almost said DC superhero shows but it has also happened in SHIELD and Daredevil.
As far as I can tell the only possible sources of conflict for superhero tv writers are lying and who gets to go into dangerous situations :P
In my experience, in real life *relationships* make adults act childish.
Weird they had j'onn eating a made up brand of cookie. Not like oreos would have turned down the free advertisement.
Quote from: Tenzhi on March 20, 2016, 02:06:54 AM
In my experience, in real life *relationships* make adults act childish.
[/quote
in my experience you can just remove everything but the last 3 words of the sentence and you sum up the entirety of human history :P
Quote from: Vee on March 22, 2016, 07:43:48 AM
Weird they had j'onn eating a made up brand of cookie. Not like oreos would have turned down the free advertisement.
Perhaps Oreos demanded to be paid? Or they couldn't come to terms with how much Oreos would have to pay for the product placement?
Was that brand ever referenced in the comics? I meant to check, but forgot the name.
Quote from: eabrace on March 23, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Was that brand ever referenced in the comics? I meant to check, but forgot the name.
I've read every JLA from the Brave and Bold premiere to 1995. Has been Oreos every time I've ever seen it, but I can't vouch for his early appearances.
Quote from: eabrace on March 23, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Was that brand ever referenced in the comics? I meant to check, but forgot the name.
I'm pretty sure the comics did the same thing: switched from a named brand to a generic one. I don't recall if the name was chocos or not.
Quote from: eabrace on March 23, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Was that brand ever referenced in the comics? I meant to check, but forgot the name.
Allegedly, they started calling them Chocos in Martian Manhunter #24 back in 2000.
That worries me. I now fear that Oreos was fine with the free advertising through all the putrid runs i've already suffered through but they somehow get worse between 95 and 2000 and Oreos calls foul. The only thing that's gotten me through the ones I've read so far is the belief that surely at some point they'd start to get better. Well that and the same ridiculous compulsion that started me reading in the first place.
Thoughts.
My first thought was wondering what artifact Pete had gotten hold of. I figure something from Orson Welles. The mike he used to broadcast War of the Worlds. Man I miss Warehouse 13.
My second thought. That was absolutely not Jim Harper! >:(
Quote from: Mandu on March 27, 2016, 01:39:29 AM
My first thought was wondering what artifact Pete had gotten hold of.
As soon as he showed up on screen, I thought, "PETE!"
Woo, The Flash! That was great!
....not sure if its enough to keep me in it for more, since I missed the whole entire thing before this episode.
A DC team up done right - not only did it feature actors, but they also had chemistry - a very nice antidote to the poisonous trash that Snyder vomited over us this weekend.
Good thing Livewire was there to make sure Siobhan got changed into her Cobra Kai Halloween dance outfit before the big fight.
Quote from: Vee on March 29, 2016, 06:07:12 AM
Good thing Livewire was there to make sure Siobhan got changed into her Cobra Kai Halloween dance outfit before the big fight.
Ha! Although based on the flashes when she started feeling the curse, I assume it was only a matter of time anyways.
I was surprised that characters recognized her - I only knew it was the same person because the show told me it was. She looked completely different to me.
Well, they did it... They got me to watch an episode of Supergirl. That was fun! She and Flash were great together. They need to crossover the other direction now. ;D
The show looks fun. I might have to go back and check out some old episodes.
This show just keeps getting better. I hope the ratings are as high as I like it so we get another season.
"You look like the attractive yet nonthreatening racially diverse cast of a CW show."
I laughed. And then I chuckled at "the Blur".
Also: For a moment I thought "seriously? the amnesia kiss?"
Quote from: Tenzhi on March 30, 2016, 04:58:17 AM
Also: For a moment I thought "seriously? the amnesia kiss?"
Me too.
Quote from: Noyjitat on March 30, 2016, 12:00:33 AM
This show just keeps getting better. I hope the ratings are as high as I like it so we get another season.
I believe it's already been picked up for another season.
Quote from: hurple on March 30, 2016, 02:24:01 PM
I believe it's already been picked up for another season.
Hrm... I was recently told the opposite...
CBS has stated that they plan to pick up all of the new series this year for a second season. The press release they put out a few days ago listing renewals didn't include any of those series, so people had a minor panic attack.
That being said, World's Finest got some of the highest ratings for a Supergirl episode.
http://screenrant.com/supergirl-flash-crossover-ratings/
Hate to be "that guy", but the Flash cross-over episode went way past my corny/sappy tolerance. I'm probably "out".
Quote from: chuckv3 on March 31, 2016, 01:51:27 AM
Hate to be "that guy", but the Flash cross-over episode went way past my corny/sappy tolerance. I'm probably "out".
Embrace being "that guy", i could use the company.
Quote from: chuckv3 on March 31, 2016, 01:51:27 AM
Hate to be "that guy", but the Flash cross-over episode went way past my corny/sappy tolerance. I'm probably "out".
Ah, well. If Aloysius Devadander Abercrombie ever becomes a vampire, we'll need you around to save us.
I may have scared my dogs when I laughed at that one.
Quote from: eabrace on April 12, 2016, 12:21:29 AM
I may have scared my dogs when I laughed at that one.
Holy crap, that went RIGHT by me. whoosh
Quote from: Vee on April 13, 2016, 12:23:00 AM
You didn't recognize Silver Banshee, Livewire, or Red Tornado?
Sorry, shoulda specified alien. and yes, i recognized j'onn before you ask.
oddly they've already had rampage and vril dox in the comic based on the show, both of whom would seem to require about the same amount of special effects work as the aliens they've had on the show that we all had to wiki.
Ah. I recognized the khund as a meathead cannon fodder race. Mostly from Lobo, I think. But I get what you're saying.
So, Non is using Max's satellite to control everyone, and no one thinks to destroy the satellite in question?
They said there was a powerful force field around it. You'd think max would have some way to shut it down from earth, but I can suspend disbelief for that much. I had much less problem there than the laughable nature/nurture explanation for its working on kal.
I recognized Jemm, Son of Saturn from his comic Jemm, Son of Saturn.
and since Khunds and Lobo are mentioned in the thread, there's the long running joke:
Lobo, like the wolf?
No actually it's from an ancient Khundian dialect and means he who devours your entrails and thoroughly enjoys it.
e-
BTW "Myriad" has another name... "The Anti-Life Equation". That's exactly what Kirby was writing about when he created Darkseid in the 4th World books. That's what Darkseid is after -- complete external control of all thought... he just wants to extend it throughout the multiverse.
He came back last episode and his brain was taken over because nature vs. nurture mumbo-jumbo.
Also: the Lucy Lane from this series is a better Lois Lane than the Lois in recent movies.
Quote from: Tenzhi on April 20, 2016, 05:30:00 AM
He came back last episode and his brain was taken over because nature vs. nurture mumbo-jumbo.
CBS is finally doing the right thing and moving season 2 to CW.
Quote from: Golden Girl on May 13, 2016, 01:05:57 AM
CBS is finally doing the right thing and moving season 2 to CW.
It's kinda a bad idea since nobody watches cbs anyway; they had the opportunity to attract more viewers to the channel. But at the rate things are going cable / satellite television will probably be replaced with more online options like netflix sooner or later.
And my god this wait until season 2 starts is killing me!
Maybe the cw will have sense enough not to put it opposite Gotham. No need to split the actually still watches live TV comic fan demographic.
Quote from: Vee on May 13, 2016, 02:32:31 AM
Maybe the cw will have sense enough not to put it opposite Gotham. No need to split the actually still watches live TV comic fan demographic.
It would be funny if it outperformed whatever CBS replaced it with in that slot, though.
He's still missing the traditional red trunks, but we're finally getting a proper version of Superman after Zach Snyder's cinematic desecration of the character.
(https://i.imgur.com/Pth6HNI.jpg)
Why is that Twilight cosplayer in that Superman outfit?
Quote from: Tenzhi on July 28, 2016, 09:18:30 PM
Why is that Twilight cosplayer in that Superman outfit?
^^^
is the belt there to make us think that's not a (footy?) onesey? It doesn't even appear to have compartments for his amnesium and Team Edward decoder ring. Oh and the boots got lifted directly from the COH character creator.
Quote from: Golden Girl on July 28, 2016, 08:40:56 PM
He's still missing the traditional red trunks, but we're finally getting a proper version of Superman after Zach Snyder's cinematic desecration of the character.
When the first comic-book (or comic-strip) superheroes were created, in order to give the reader the idea that they were stronger than normal people, the costumes were patterned after the circus-strongman attire of the day: a body leotard, with trunks, shorts or briefs over it for modesty purposes.
Traditionalist though I am in a lot of things concerning comic-book heroes, I'm actually glad that they're moving away from the "underwear on the outside" look.
Jeez, Batman could probably whoop this Superman's @$& without an armor suit and kryptonite spear. :o
Hey Supes! Ya wanna arm-wrestle?
Some on set pictures of him in action:
(https://i.imgur.com/Cnv6I7s.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ydqxg5q.jpg)
And one of Clark and Jimmy, plus a Daily Planet newspaper stand:
(https://i.imgur.com/k3GPo9r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EQRDt3W.jpg)
And something iconic:
(https://i.imgur.com/iZ9rxn8.jpg)
Is Jimmy taller than Clark?
By 4 inches.
So... is the Daily Planet so successful because of Superman that it can afford to *pay a guy* to sell newspapers out of a kiosk? With nothing in the stand, like food or drink? That is insane.
Edit: As opposed to having normal little self-pay stands like every other paper.
The Daily Planet has teamed up with Wonka to print their newspapers on delicious Noshpaper. All thanks to that time Superman stopped Lex Luthor from stealing forty Wonka cakes.
Quote from: Felderburg on August 01, 2016, 05:21:39 AM
So... is the Daily Planet so successful because of Superman that it can afford to *pay a guy* to sell newspapers out of a kiosk? With nothing in the stand, like food or drink? That is insane.
Notice it's set up to look like a vintage newspaper kiosk, so I'd imagine they make good money selling their papers to hipsters at a 600% markup.
Absolutely hate his costume. It's ok for Spiderman to have the raised ridges because in his case they are supposed to represent webbing. But Superman's just looks like it has really horrible seams or perhaps he has it on inside out.
And I honestly think if you just gave him some white makeup he would make a passable Bizarro without any prosthetics.
I do like how the costume appears brighter, compared to the Snyderverse costume.
Some more on set pictures:
At least some of the episodes featuring Superman will take place in Metropolis, which makes sense:
(https://i.imgur.com/qbX90jq.jpg)
This is presumably Lena Luthor's company, as she's been cast as a recurring character for the series:
(https://i.imgur.com/5ciyMgh.jpg)
Kara and Clark disgracing the Superman IP by smiling:
(https://i.imgur.com/SgKDwsS.jpg)
It appears that Metallo will be showing up in some form:
(https://i.imgur.com/mcFVqMx.jpg)
And as a result, Kal-El seems to adopt some kind of anti-Kryptonite fancy harness:
(https://i.imgur.com/BrsC47V.jpg)
But it looks like he needs help from Martian Manhunter to take down Metallo:
(https://i.imgur.com/xaghbDT.jpg)
I think the cape is too long.
And one more - Kara and Kal-El suited up together - I'm assuming that he's showing her how a true hero should devastate the city that they protect:
(https://i.imgur.com/35IuH4x.jpg)
Quote from: Super Firebug on July 29, 2016, 12:55:57 AM
When the first comic-book (or comic-strip) superheroes were created, in order to give the reader the idea that they were stronger than normal people, the costumes were patterned after the circus-strongman attire of the day: a body leotard, with trunks, shorts or briefs over it for modesty purposes.
Traditionalist though I am in a lot of things concerning comic-book heroes, I'm actually glad that they're moving away from the "underwear on the outside" look.
I'm not. There are still plenty of wrestlers who wear that. It doesn't look "out-dated" at all. It looks like a practical solution for somebody who wears spandex leggings while involved in acrobatic action who doesn't want their pants to fall down.
Superman's outfit without them looks idiotic.
Several of the saner people at DC want the red underpants of power to be brought back too.
Quote from: Golden Girl on August 04, 2016, 09:03:45 PM
Several of the saner people at DC want the red underpants of power to be brought back too.
They're TRUNKS dammit!
The greatest gift a Superman can give a Superman
(https://scontent.fdtw1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/934113_10207036700728487_2428357112791534051_n.jpg?oh=543fdf47be7ddeb4c39939457c395421&oe=584A124F)