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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2014, 01:35:15 PM »
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/loyola_university_professor_be.html

So I found this article today who explains that professor. It made me laff so hard. No one on his server  could figure out  how to kill him. He just used tp foe , you could chain tp him away to a death or even solo do what I did mine up a area in stealth with a buddy and tp him to you. I wish now I didnt pick infinity I would have loved playing against him. People who cant understand how to think outside the box  and instead revert to verbal abuse is a funny  but real mental curiosity especially when you relise the average age of coh was 24. I wonder if he used the police drones or the walkers in the zone.

The article is confusing.

It states that Myers 'followed the rules' set by the devs. Erm, what rules exactly? I guess I missed the memo.

Also the article says that he disregarded any customs set by the players. Hmmm, so he was surprised that people were hostile when he ignored their needs, wants or desires. Curious, indeed! *sarcasm*

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2014, 09:01:47 PM »
The article doesn't state that he just TP-droned people over and over again, and was a jerk in the first place to elicit the reactions he got... nor does it state that for his "study," he didn't acquire the consent of anyone involved, which is a serious ethical issue. VictoriaVictrix on these forums has some posts somewhere abuout it, in greater detail.
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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2014, 10:55:54 PM »
It states that Myers 'followed the rules' set by the devs. Erm, what rules exactly?

Translation: He didn't hack the servers.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2014, 05:35:42 AM »
Translation: He didn't hack the servers.

I did come across some under the map RV players that was a bit lame, I think the article is very poorly written not giving the reader a understanding of pvp or what tp droning is all about, it seems to paint it as a viable tactic. I think they should have mentioned that it doesnt count as a player earned kill within the scope of the game mechanics ie you do not get the pvp reward by droning someone.

I can say that I never came across a single player that sat in the zone tp dronning (and Im glad for that) I did come across alot of people sitting inside pers ff's and in some ways that is just as pointless.

Another lame tactic iwas to hit their tier 9 prior to entering sc run around for just under a minute then bolt out the door until god mode was back up,  saw that quite alot actually.

Reading this really makes me miss coh/cov,  :'(

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2014, 09:05:46 PM »
I can say that I never came across a single player that sat in the zone tp dronning (and Im glad for that)

Wow, you probably didn't play on Freedom. We had a bunch of these people. I remember there was one guy that got so mad about me killing him, he started stalking me. Any time I'd go in a PvP zone, he dropped everything he was doing and went there to TP drone me. Sometimes sat there for hours at a time just to "kill" me once. This lasted a few months and then he eventually got banned from the game for it, lol.

That's why Twixt never really bothered me, because there were hundreds just like him.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2014, 09:35:30 PM »
Twixt is what lazy professors do when they've run out of idea's. He actually transferred his toon over to virtue for awhile and the fact that his build was thought out and had multiple expensive IO sets says to me he wasn't playing this just to write a paper about us. He claimed people threatened his life saying he actually believed some of these people were dead serious. It's sad if you really believe someone can somehow gain enough information about you through a game, like these people are all intensely trained hackers who are evil versions of Liam Neeson outside of this game. The ridiculous part about that is if he actually did believe his life was in danger from his antics in a pvp zone within our community, why go ahead and release the article? Sounds kind of bass ackwards to me.

When he came to Virtue I trolled him as hard as I have ever trolled in my life. I made ridiculous threats like I was going to get him pregnant for realzies. I also began to tp foe him into a group of us, hold, stun, slow, immob, etc. The funny thing was he wasn't the easiest target to burst down, he had a decent grasp of game mechanics but I'm pretty sure got annoyed because there's a spot in RV where you could maintain target even after the hero had respawned, causing much grief. I enjoyed that evening very much.

As far as pvp goes, I miss it dearly. It was by far my favorite part of the game since there's no game out there that has designed an enemy that has equal potential for death/damage, AI seems very easy to figure out and I've never been a fan of something that doesn't offer something different every time. Don't get me wrong I'll play it and get enjoyment out of PvE, it's just I'm not eyes wide open and focused intensely on it. I can sit there doing the old click click and get by easily, even the threat of dying doesn't feel that bad because honestly the penalties were not exactly that major. Not saying they should have been either though because that would get extremely annoying. I'm falling off track here...I think I just prefer pvp over pve put simply.

When it comes to trash talk, meaning all the foul language etc. I think in any sport ever there has been immense amount of trash talk, if I'm facing someone off one v one I want to get into their head making sure the last thing they are focused on is performance and the first thing they focus on is winning. At that point it's much easier for them to make mistakes. I mean ufc/boxing/football/basketball/hockey/literally every sport out there has had an incident that involved some EXTREME trash talking, hell Jon Jones even threatened a fighters life a few months ago in an interview. 

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2014, 07:24:35 AM »

So you are proud you stooped BELOW his level? Twixt never threatened anyone (Because THAT is against the rules...and he was quite adamant about NOT breaking the actual RULES of the game). So you trolled him and threatened him...and we are supposed to do what... applaud you?


The trash talk in pvp went WAY overboard...as you yourself just admitted.... It was nothing but foul mouthed sexual innuendo/remarks and threats. I pvp'd from the very beginning to the end...and 95% of the time turned off broadcast chat because it disgusted me.... there's a huge difference between sportsman banter and the vile filth MMO pvpers puked out.

Twixt is what lazy professors do when they've run out of idea's. He actually transferred his toon over to virtue for awhile and the fact that his build was thought out and had multiple expensive IO sets says to me he wasn't playing this just to write a paper about us. He claimed people threatened his life saying he actually believed some of these people were dead serious. It's sad if you really believe someone can somehow gain enough information about you through a game, like these people are all intensely trained hackers who are evil versions of Liam Neeson outside of this game. The ridiculous part about that is if he actually did believe his life was in danger from his antics in a pvp zone within our community, why go ahead and release the article? Sounds kind of bass ackwards to me.

When he came to Virtue I trolled him as hard as I have ever trolled in my life. I made ridiculous threats like I was going to get him pregnant for realzies. I also began to tp foe him into a group of us, hold, stun, slow, immob, etc. The funny thing was he wasn't the easiest target to burst down, he had a decent grasp of game mechanics but I'm pretty sure got annoyed because there's a spot in RV where you could maintain target even after the hero had respawned, causing much grief. I enjoyed that evening very much.

As far as pvp goes, I miss it dearly. It was by far my favorite part of the game since there's no game out there that has designed an enemy that has equal potential for death/damage, AI seems very easy to figure out and I've never been a fan of something that doesn't offer something different every time. Don't get me wrong I'll play it and get enjoyment out of PvE, it's just I'm not eyes wide open and focused intensely on it. I can sit there doing the old click click and get by easily, even the threat of dying doesn't feel that bad because honestly the penalties were not exactly that major. Not saying they should have been either though because that would get extremely annoying. I'm falling off track here...I think I just prefer pvp over pve put simply.

When it comes to trash talk, meaning all the foul language etc. I think in any sport ever there has been immense amount of trash talk, if I'm facing someone off one v one I want to get into their head making sure the last thing they are focused on is performance and the first thing they focus on is winning. At that point it's much easier for them to make mistakes. I mean ufc/boxing/football/basketball/hockey/literally every sport out there has had an incident that involved some EXTREME trash talking, hell Jon Jones even threatened a fighters life a few months ago in an interview.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2014, 03:30:22 AM »
Speaking of TP Droning, a funny (ish) story... There was a spot in Siren's Call where if you had the right flight path, a hero could fly directly into the villain base, and stand next to the hospital door without being droned. One of my teammates asked about it, and for some reason after the conversation I thought we had an understanding that I would Recall Friend my teammate to that spot. So I fly down, and TP the teammate in... turns out, we did not have an understanding, and the teammate was in the middle of running around, and kept running and was droned immediately. He/she immediately posted in broadcast that the villains were TP droning, so watch out!


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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2014, 05:06:37 AM »
So you are proud you stooped BELOW his level? Twixt never threatened anyone (Because THAT is against the rules...and he was quite adamant about NOT breaking the actual RULES of the game). So you trolled him and threatened him...and we are supposed to do what... applaud you?


The trash talk in pvp went WAY overboard...as you yourself just admitted.... It was nothing but foul mouthed sexual innuendo/remarks and threats. I pvp'd from the very beginning to the end...and 95% of the time turned off broadcast chat because it disgusted me.... there's a huge difference between sportsman banter and the vile filth MMO pvpers puked out.

If I tell another fully grown -man- I'm going to get him pregnant and it's perceived as a threat by you or anyone else for that matter then I just have one thing to say to that, wow. I've played sports competitively for many years and I can easily say what's said in broadcast is no worse than what 13 year olds say to each other daily. Maybe I'm just not overly sensitive to this because I've been exposed to it for so long but at the end of the day, it's just trash talk. If some random person on the Internet has the ability to get you so put off that you literally need to turn off chat, that's your own problem. I mean the men and women of military go -way- beyond anything I've ever read in broadcast so I suppose they must all be bad people?  Like do you expect people competing to be all "Hey there buddy you're bad at this but don't give up trying!" No. This isn't a kids show.

If using the same techniques he used is somehow below him then oh well. I annoyed him to the point of leaving much like he did to many others. Imagine being a casual pvp' rand having this guy come in and continually tp you into a drone for no reason other than it's "allowed"? You'd probably get frustrated and leave making your experience a bad one and most likely turning you off from pvp for who knows how long.

Sure he may not have broken the actual rules but in any sort of competition there are usually guidelines most players follow, much like it's not a rule in some wrestling tournaments that shoulder in slams are not allowed, you don't do so out of respect as you can easily break ribs and put the guy out of commission for a very long time. He did not respect the pvp community at all. He was asked nicely to stop numerous times but continued so I did to him what I would do to any bully, offer a taste of their own medicine and double the dosage.

Now don't get me wrong, droning can be hilarious. There's a time and a place for it though. Sitting around doing it the entire time you play is just ridiculous.



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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2014, 12:42:42 PM »

Oh please.... I so wish I still had my PC with screenshots of the "banter"... threats of rape.. murder.. misogynistic..homophobic...racial slurs (And no I don't mean the N word ending in -ah.. I mean the N word ending in -er)... The pvp broadcast was not like ANY sports team talk I EVER belonged to...and here's a little of your own logic thrown back at you:


This game was rated T meaning 13 year olds could play it unsupervised.. just because the profanity filter could be turned off/on didn't mean you should conduct yourself with F-bombs and racial slurs... I mean it's not against the rules but it is not considerate of the ENTIRE community.. it was not something that would be tolerated by the community at large (Which is one reason some people didn't pvp). This isn't the military full of adults...it's an online game full of teens and adults...Making threats was against the ToS... but people still did it... my most memorable threat:
"I'm gonna find you and force feed my jizz down your throat as I slice it!"


You think that's appropriate to tell a 13 year old girl?? Would you feel comfortable with your daughter...sister...niece...being told that in a MMO?? Really? That's just one of many "playful banters" I received over the years... and no I never droned or anything like that... I just "defeated" people. THAT is why I turned off chat... I'm not some care-bear or sensitive Nelly... I just found most pvpers to be vile disgusting "men" who needed serious therapy for their issues of overcompensation.


Anyways... deny all you want the extent of the "banter"... it was inappropriate beyond belief for many people...and did nothing but hurt the overall number of people willing to pvp. I loved pvping...so for the most part just ignored people because their inability to play in a decent sportsman-like way was a huge turn off.

If I tell another fully grown -man- I'm going to get him pregnant and it's perceived as a threat by you or anyone else for that matter then I just have one thing to say to that, wow. I've played sports competitively for many years and I can easily say what's said in broadcast is no worse than what 13 year olds say to each other daily. Maybe I'm just not overly sensitive to this because I've been exposed to it for so long but at the end of the day, it's just trash talk. If some random person on the Internet has the ability to get you so put off that you literally need to turn off chat, that's your own problem. I mean the men and women of military go -way- beyond anything I've ever read in broadcast so I suppose they must all be bad people?  Like do you expect people competing to be all "Hey there buddy you're bad at this but don't give up trying!" No. This isn't a kids show.

If using the same techniques he used is somehow below him then oh well. I annoyed him to the point of leaving much like he did to many others. Imagine being a casual pvp' rand having this guy come in and continually tp you into a drone for no reason other than it's "allowed"? You'd probably get frustrated and leave making your experience a bad one and most likely turning you off from pvp for who knows how long.

Sure he may not have broken the actual rules but in any sort of competition there are usually guidelines most players follow, much like it's not a rule in some wrestling tournaments that shoulder in slams are not allowed, you don't do so out of respect as you can easily break ribs and put the guy out of commission for a very long time. He did not respect the pvp community at all. He was asked nicely to stop numerous times but continued so I did to him what I would do to any bully, offer a taste of their own medicine and double the dosage.

Now don't get me wrong, droning can be hilarious. There's a time and a place for it though. Sitting around doing it the entire time you play is just ridiculous.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2014, 01:01:27 PM »
Oh please.... I so wish I still had my PC with screenshots of the "banter"... threats of rape.. murder.. misogynistic..homophobic...racial slurs (And no I don't mean the N word ending in -ah.. I mean the N word ending in -er)... The pvp broadcast was not like ANY sports team talk I EVER belonged to...and here's a little of your own logic thrown back at you:


This game was rated T meaning 13 year olds could play it unsupervised.. just because the profanity filter could be turned off/on didn't mean you should conduct yourself with F-bombs and racial slurs... I mean it's not against the rules but it is not considerate of the ENTIRE community.. it was not something that would be tolerated by the community at large (Which is one reason some people didn't pvp). This isn't the military full of adults...it's an online game full of teens and adults...Making threats was against the ToS... but people still did it... my most memorable threat:
"I'm gonna find you and force feed my jizz down your throat as I slice it!"


You think that's appropriate to tell a 13 year old girl?? Would you feel comfortable with your daughter...sister...niece...being told that in a MMO?? Really? That's just one of many "playful banters" I received over the years... and no I never droned or anything like that... I just "defeated" people. THAT is why I turned off chat... I'm not some care-bear or sensitive Nelly... I just found most pvpers to be vile disgusting "men" who needed serious therapy for their issues of overcompensation.


Anyways... deny all you want the extent of the "banter"... it was inappropriate beyond belief for many people...and did nothing but hurt the overall number of people willing to pvp. I loved pvping...so for the most part just ignored people because their inability to play in a decent sportsman-like way was a huge turn off.

Right. CoH was better than other games largely because the community was much better behaved.
Seeing someone defend trash talking, online threats, insults, etc, is just not what CoH was about, and it's pretty sad to see.

As for trash talking in sports... I play pickup hoops and soccer weekly once each. With GROWN-UP men, not ignorant teenagers. Yes, you might hear some lame trash talking when immature boys get together and play, but that's why they're IMMATURE. I assure you that the grown ups hardly ever trash talk, throw curses, make fun of someone, etc. Saying that behavior is right and proper and acceptable because a small portion of the player base engages in it is just ignorant and I'm happy to see it properly condemned by other PvPers.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2014, 02:58:47 PM »
Right. CoH was better than other games largely because the community was much better behaved.
Seeing someone defend trash talking, online threats, insults, etc, is just not what CoH was about, and it's pretty sad to see.

As for trash talking in sports... I play pickup hoops and soccer weekly once each. With GROWN-UP men, not ignorant teenagers. Yes, you might hear some lame trash talking when immature boys get together and play, but that's why they're IMMATURE. I assure you that the grown ups hardly ever trash talk, throw curses, make fun of someone, etc. Saying that behavior is right and proper and acceptable because a small portion of the player base engages in it is just ignorant and I'm happy to see it properly condemned by other PvPers.
Maybe i was just lucky, but the two servers i did any significant amount of zone PvP in, Champion and Virtue, i encountered almost none of the abusive trash-talking that is usually all too common in PvP zones. There were a few jackholes, but it was generally relatively civil with what trash-talking that happened being more like humorous banter than aggressively offensive and threatening. Admittedly i spent little time with zone PvP and when i did it was usually relatively short or i was there for events organized by players i knew.
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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2014, 03:09:05 PM »

The more explicit trash talking happened in RV.... It could get pretty rough in tournaments too, but nowhere near as bad as RV broadcast.

Maybe i was just lucky, but the two servers i did any significant amount of zone PvP in, Champion and Virtue, i encountered almost none of the abusive trash-talking that is usually all too common in PvP zones. There were a few jackholes, but it was generally relatively civil with what trash-talking that happened being more like humorous banter than aggressively offensive and threatening. Admittedly i spent little time with zone PvP and when i did it was usually relatively short or i was there for events organized by players i knew.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2014, 03:53:35 PM »
Eh, PVP was fun before i13.

Post i13? Lolno.

Precisely. I really enjoyed PvP in the game prior to the complete revamp in i13. I played mostly in Arena matches and tournaments (to be blunt, zone PvP was the kiddie pool). Abandoned PvP entirely after i13 ruined it...

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2014, 04:07:14 PM »
The more explicit trash talking happened in RV.... It could get pretty rough in tournaments too, but nowhere near as bad as RV broadcast.

Trash talk in Broadcast (PvP zone or otherwise) was never a part of my experience: pretty much the first thing I do when setting up in an MMO is turn off that game's version of that feature. Never had any use for it (I'm a roleplayer, and broadcast/zone chat is the absolute king of immersion breakers), and if I wanted to listen to middle-schoolers acting "edgy," I'd have gone into teaching.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2014, 05:30:29 PM »
The more explicit trash talking happened in RV.... It could get pretty rough in tournaments too, but nowhere near as bad as RV broadcast.
i did spend more time in Siren's Call and Warburg overall, but i never noticed a significant amount of the really obnoxious trash talk in any zone. It may have been largely luck, but also on Champion at least the PvP community tended to be mostly relatively polite and welcoming.
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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2014, 05:49:19 PM »
Oh please.... I so wish I still had my PC with screenshots of the "banter"... threats of rape.. murder.. misogynistic..homophobic...racial slurs (And no I don't mean the N word ending in -ah.. I mean the N word ending in -er)... The pvp broadcast was not like ANY sports team talk I EVER belonged to...and here's a little of your own logic thrown back at you:


This game was rated T meaning 13 year olds could play it unsupervised.. just because the profanity filter could be turned off/on didn't mean you should conduct yourself with F-bombs and racial slurs... I mean it's not against the rules but it is not considerate of the ENTIRE community.. it was not something that would be tolerated by the community at large (Which is one reason some people didn't pvp). This isn't the military full of adults...it's an online game full of teens and adults...Making threats was against the ToS... but people still did it... my most memorable threat:
"I'm gonna find you and force feed my jizz down your throat as I slice it!"


You think that's appropriate to tell a 13 year old girl?? Would you feel comfortable with your daughter...sister...niece...being told that in a MMO?? Really? That's just one of many "playful banters" I received over the years... and no I never droned or anything like that... I just "defeated" people. THAT is why I turned off chat... I'm not some care-bear or sensitive Nelly... I just found most pvpers to be vile disgusting "men" who needed serious therapy for their issues of overcompensation.


Anyways... deny all you want the extent of the "banter"... it was inappropriate beyond belief for many people...and did nothing but hurt the overall number of people willing to pvp. I loved pvping...so for the most part just ignored people because their inability to play in a decent sportsman-like way was a huge turn off.

I understand the racial slurs etc is over the top, but honestly once again I'm not the type to get offended by random people on the internet. You should also keep in mind the ones saying all those N words and offering the most offensive lines are most likely the 13-17 year old kids that play this game. I don't know what fancy school/friends you had growing up, but I can definitely say we were far more foul mouthed then than we are now. I won't lie I got a decent chuckle out of your worst line you've ever heard, but I have a twisted sense of humour as well. Like I said some people just can't handle this kind of talk, obviously things like that are extremely rare though. Out of all the time I spent in RV I think I heard actual vulgar trash talk 1 in 30 times of entry, and I was there literally every day for a solid 2-3 hours sometimes more.

Just to be clear I have a 12 year old niece who plays defense in Hockey, one of the things I taught her is the proper use of trash talk. Some people think it's wrong to let kids swear, I say fu** that. The kids that aren't allowed to swear tend to do so every chance they get as soon as authority figures are not around, I taught her swearing is fine just only to do so around family because we are far more accepting and some people are very sensitive to "bad" words. She knows that these words only hold power if you allow them to do so. My favorite example of this is a gay guy I work with who calls all the boys f**s. It's quite possibly the funniest thing ever when a flamboyant gay man calls some rough tough miner this, it always gets a laugh.

All in all am I defending trash talk, no. I understand it offends certain people that are not exposed to this kind of talk regularly. Do I care if people trash talk? No, because honestly it's not my place to play authority figure, if someone was really crossing the line there's always screen shots and reports. To be honest the report system was abused to brutally it should have been removed if sent from a pvp zone, countless people were temp banned for saying one bad thing and having an entire sg/vg report them.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2014, 12:11:44 AM »
I pvp'd from beginning to end... and I actually didn't mind the changes in Issue 13. Issue 13 required you to adapt your tactics....


Zone pvp... harder than arena pvp - In arena you know you are going to face x, y, or z... in zone pvp you had no idea what was coming for you.. stalker, tanker, blaster, etc etc...


Just to be clear... again.. I am not some care bear who can't handle witty banter... I have worked for the Bureau of Prisons for quite some time and trust me...I've heard it all. My point is that type of language doesn't belong in a MMO that is suitable for young teens. The people who got banned for threatening people... good...they deserved it. Maybe they actually learned that...gasp...there are consequences to breaking the rules. FYI... Most of the people who I saw being completely vile in broadcast... men in their early 20's.


I doubt I will do much pvping when the game comes back... maybe some arena pvp with friends etc. I haven't even recreated my pvp toons builds in Mids yet...think I have grown out of my pvp phase. Then again I may have to create some pvp farmers so I can get all the pvp IOs I want hehe.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2014, 01:32:53 AM »
I pvp'd from beginning to end... and I actually didn't mind the changes in Issue 13. Issue 13 required you to adapt your tactics....


Zone pvp... harder than arena pvp - In arena you know you are going to face x, y, or z... in zone pvp you had no idea what was coming for you.. stalker, tanker, blaster, etc etc...



I agree with you on i13, it really wasn't as bad as some people said. It did slow things down a bit but it also allowed for not so dedicated pvp'rs to participate. I also enjoyed zone far more than arena. Zone was kind of like going to the bar, bring a couple buddies and have some fun, sometimes it would go on far longer than expected. Arena was like a rec league, it required some time to organize and some people took it far too seriously.

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Re: City of Heroes PvP - Last Stand... or is it?
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2014, 04:58:39 AM »
I understand the racial slurs etc is over the top, but honestly once again I'm not the type to get offended by random people on the internet. You should also keep in mind the ones saying all those N words and offering the most offensive lines are most likely the 13-17 year old kids that play this game. I don't know what fancy school/friends you had growing up, but I can definitely say we were far more foul mouthed then than we are now. I won't lie I got a decent chuckle out of your worst line you've ever heard, but I have a twisted sense of humour as well. Like I said some people just can't handle this kind of talk, obviously things like that are extremely rare though. Out of all the time I spent in RV I think I heard actual vulgar trash talk 1 in 30 times of entry, and I was there literally every day for a solid 2-3 hours sometimes more.

Just to be clear I have a 12 year old niece who plays defense in Hockey, one of the things I taught her is the proper use of trash talk. Some people think it's wrong to let kids swear, I say fu** that. The kids that aren't allowed to swear tend to do so every chance they get as soon as authority figures are not around, I taught her swearing is fine just only to do so around family because we are far more accepting and some people are very sensitive to "bad" words. She knows that these words only hold power if you allow them to do so. My favorite example of this is a gay guy I work with who calls all the boys f**s. It's quite possibly the funniest thing ever when a flamboyant gay man calls some rough tough miner this, it always gets a laugh.

All in all am I defending trash talk, no. I understand it offends certain people that are not exposed to this kind of talk regularly. Do I care if people trash talk? No, because honestly it's not my place to play authority figure, if someone was really crossing the line there's always screen shots and reports. To be honest the report system was abused to brutally it should have been removed if sent from a pvp zone, countless people were temp banned for saying one bad thing and having an entire sg/vg report them.

The level of offense that you have is not the point. Was it offensive enough to keep people who might have PvP'ed from doing so? The answer is absolutely yes.

I have heard every slur you can imagine but that doesn't mean that when I come home I want to be inundated with juvenile trash talk, regardless of what age they were. Maybe you don't mind your niece being exposed to that crap but I certainly would object if it was my niece or nephew. Hell, I don't want to hear it either.

All in all, you are defending trash talk. When you justify why it doesn't bother you and why you would have no problem with your niece being exposed to it certainly sound like you have no problem with it and since you claim it's no worse than sport trash talk from 13 year olds.

Finally, nether of us knows exactly how old these people were, just that they acted like 13 year old children. Actually, I know that some of them were far older than you think.

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